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03 Oct 2005 10:59:14 PM |
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@ IF THE PREDICTION FOR 2005 FAILS WHAT NEXT ? @ |
The nature of our predictions is such that we cannot be 100% certain
that a given date for the coming of the Messiah will be fulfilled.
If God were still giving revelations and worked miracles we would know
that we live in the same-type of times as the first christians and the
date - if given by God- would be final.
But as things are different now we have to rely on interpretation of
the Bible in order to construe predictons and just as our
understanidnig of the Bible grows and we make corrections the same is
with predictions.
Note that there is a wide range of dates that can be put forth not
just like a one choice of the two concerning if there is a literal hot
hell or not or is there a Trinity or not ? And in these subject how
grave mistakes were made !
The predictons turn our attention to the fact that in such and such a
time there is a reasonable possibility that the Messiah may come and
God's Kingdom will be established on earth.
As I have already pointed out the next best dates are 2011 and 2012
when to expect the end of the world again.
Only those who believe the Bible is wholly inspired by God and have
acceptable to God the body of doctrines can make predictions .
A person must be of the true christian faith to do so. It is good
,then, to check out what are beliefs of such person before dealing with
the predictions that person makes.
So making the predictions is extremely difficult and a very
complicated task. One must find who has the true religon - beliefs
based correctly or the best way on the Bible.
There was never in human history that a person of the true religion
was a false prophet at the same time. One thimg excludes the other.
So,you may neee to re-asses your opion as you have misunderstood who
is a false prophet according to the Bible.
The other reasonable dates to take into account as the possible dates
for the end of the world are :
2017 and 2018
2033,2034,2034,2035,2036
If you come up with the dates 2017 and 2018 because your grandfather
has now 17 cows and 18 horses in his stable it will be a false
prediction even if the date 2017 will come true ! The prediction must
be based on the Bible and its understanding . So ,the way it is built
determines if it is correctly built .
If you came up with 2017 I came up already with the same date using
the Bible and what I did will counts as I based the date on the Bible
and this will decide the end will come .
Harold Camping of the Family Radio in the USA alredy came up with the
date 2011 as a likely date for the end .
I would not believe too much in his date 2011 if I had not come up
with the same date independently with other calculations.
Harold Camping has many views contrary to the Bible to my knowledge
and that he set up this wonderful date can mean nothing. He must be a
true christian.
You can be under impression the date 2012 was taken from Mayan culture
that points to the 2012 as the end of the time !
No ! I have been resisting the date untill I came with my discovery
of the 2012 ! And Mayan cultire or call it religion has nothing to do
with the Bible and my prediction for 2012 ! Despite of the fact the
dates are the same !
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: @ IF THE PREDICTION FOR 2005 FAILS WHAT NEXT ? @ |
04 Oct 2005 09:46:48 AM |
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"OBVES@aol.com" wrote:
The nature of our predictions is such that we cannot be 100% certain
that a given date for the coming of the Messiah will be fulfilled.
===>That is because you guys keep on predicting something
that will NEVER HAPPEN! -- L.
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| User: "P.T." |
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04 Oct 2005 10:17:03 AM |
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If it were a TRUE prediction, it wouldn't fail.
<OBVES@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1128398354.264483.196910@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The nature of our predictions is such that we cannot be 100% certain
that a given date for the coming of the Messiah will be fulfilled.
If God were still giving revelations and worked miracles we would know
that we live in the same-type of times as the first christians and the
date - if given by God- would be final.
But as things are different now we have to rely on interpretation of
the Bible in order to construe predictons and just as our
understanidnig of the Bible grows and we make corrections the same is
with predictions.
Note that there is a wide range of dates that can be put forth not
just like a one choice of the two concerning if there is a literal hot
hell or not or is there a Trinity or not ? And in these subject how
grave mistakes were made !
The predictons turn our attention to the fact that in such and such a
time there is a reasonable possibility that the Messiah may come and
God's Kingdom will be established on earth.
As I have already pointed out the next best dates are 2011 and 2012
when to expect the end of the world again.
Only those who believe the Bible is wholly inspired by God and have
acceptable to God the body of doctrines can make predictions .
A person must be of the true christian faith to do so. It is good
,then, to check out what are beliefs of such person before dealing with
the predictions that person makes.
So making the predictions is extremely difficult and a very
complicated task. One must find who has the true religon - beliefs
based correctly or the best way on the Bible.
There was never in human history that a person of the true religion
was a false prophet at the same time. One thimg excludes the other.
So,you may neee to re-asses your opion as you have misunderstood who
is a false prophet according to the Bible.
The other reasonable dates to take into account as the possible dates
for the end of the world are :
2017 and 2018
2033,2034,2034,2035,2036
If you come up with the dates 2017 and 2018 because your grandfather
has now 17 cows and 18 horses in his stable it will be a false
prediction even if the date 2017 will come true ! The prediction must
be based on the Bible and its understanding . So ,the way it is built
determines if it is correctly built .
If you came up with 2017 I came up already with the same date using
the Bible and what I did will counts as I based the date on the Bible
and this will decide the end will come .
Harold Camping of the Family Radio in the USA alredy came up with the
date 2011 as a likely date for the end .
I would not believe too much in his date 2011 if I had not come up
with the same date independently with other calculations.
Harold Camping has many views contrary to the Bible to my knowledge
and that he set up this wonderful date can mean nothing. He must be a
true christian.
You can be under impression the date 2012 was taken from Mayan culture
that points to the 2012 as the end of the time !
No ! I have been resisting the date untill I came with my discovery
of the 2012 ! And Mayan cultire or call it religion has nothing to do
with the Bible and my prediction for 2012 ! Despite of the fact the
dates are the same !
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| User: "Thomas King" |
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| Title: Re: @ IF THE PREDICTION FOR 2005 FAILS WHAT NEXT ? @ |
04 Oct 2005 10:28:43 AM |
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Why don't you JW's predict the end for 2005, 2006, 2207, etc., every year,
for the next one billion, trillion years. Then IF and when it comes, you can
claim that YOU predicted it. Never mind all the years that it DIDN'T come,
you don't allow the world to hold that against you. But you'll sure as hell
take credit for the ONE year that it finally does come. How do you expect
anyone to take you seriously when you then would have a success rate of
0.000000000000000000000000001%? Don't you get it?? YOU DON'T HAVE THE
TRUTH!!!! How many times do you have to be told that????
"P.T." <pt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:P1x0f.24038$Xl2.18841@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
If it were a TRUE prediction, it wouldn't fail.
<OBVES@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1128398354.264483.196910@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The nature of our predictions is such that we cannot be 100% certain
that a given date for the coming of the Messiah will be fulfilled.
If God were still giving revelations and worked miracles we would know
that we live in the same-type of times as the first christians and the
date - if given by God- would be final.
But as things are different now we have to rely on interpretation of
the Bible in order to construe predictons and just as our
understanidnig of the Bible grows and we make corrections the same is
with predictions.
Note that there is a wide range of dates that can be put forth not
just like a one choice of the two concerning if there is a literal hot
hell or not or is there a Trinity or not ? And in these subject how
grave mistakes were made !
The predictons turn our attention to the fact that in such and such a
time there is a reasonable possibility that the Messiah may come and
God's Kingdom will be established on earth.
As I have already pointed out the next best dates are 2011 and 2012
when to expect the end of the world again.
Only those who believe the Bible is wholly inspired by God and have
acceptable to God the body of doctrines can make predictions .
A person must be of the true christian faith to do so. It is good
,then, to check out what are beliefs of such person before dealing with
the predictions that person makes.
So making the predictions is extremely difficult and a very
complicated task. One must find who has the true religon - beliefs
based correctly or the best way on the Bible.
There was never in human history that a person of the true religion
was a false prophet at the same time. One thimg excludes the other.
So,you may neee to re-asses your opion as you have misunderstood who
is a false prophet according to the Bible.
The other reasonable dates to take into account as the possible dates
for the end of the world are :
2017 and 2018
2033,2034,2034,2035,2036
If you come up with the dates 2017 and 2018 because your grandfather
has now 17 cows and 18 horses in his stable it will be a false
prediction even if the date 2017 will come true ! The prediction must
be based on the Bible and its understanding . So ,the way it is built
determines if it is correctly built .
If you came up with 2017 I came up already with the same date using
the Bible and what I did will counts as I based the date on the Bible
and this will decide the end will come .
Harold Camping of the Family Radio in the USA alredy came up with the
date 2011 as a likely date for the end .
I would not believe too much in his date 2011 if I had not come up
with the same date independently with other calculations.
Harold Camping has many views contrary to the Bible to my knowledge
and that he set up this wonderful date can mean nothing. He must be a
true christian.
You can be under impression the date 2012 was taken from Mayan culture
that points to the 2012 as the end of the time !
No ! I have been resisting the date untill I came with my discovery
of the 2012 ! And Mayan cultire or call it religion has nothing to do
with the Bible and my prediction for 2012 ! Despite of the fact the
dates are the same !
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| User: "DeEler Expoza" |
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04 Oct 2005 12:42:38 PM |
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"Thomas King" <tking777@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:Lcx0f.131872$xl6.54224@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
Why don't you JW's predict the end for 2005, 2006, 2207, etc., every year,
for the next one billion, trillion years. Then IF and when it comes, you
can
claim that YOU predicted it. Never mind all the years that it DIDN'T come,
you don't allow the world to hold that against you. But you'll sure as
hell
take credit for the ONE year that it finally does come. How do you expect
anyone to take you seriously when you then would have a success rate of
0.000000000000000000000000001%? Don't you get it?? YOU DON'T HAVE THE
TRUTH!!!! How many times do you have to be told that????
==============
To acknowledge they don't have the *truth* is to give up the live-forever
fantasy in the WTS paradise. They can't handle that.... better to live in
a dream world then face reality.
--
DeeDee......
Subject: The (NON) Qualifications Of The Translators Of The NWT
Fred Franz: 2 Credit Hours Bible Greek, 21 Credit Hours Classical Greek,
University of Cincinnati, Dropped out junior year.
Nathan Knorr: None
Milton Henschel: None
Albert Schroeder: None
Karl Klein: None
George Gangas: None
~~~ }<(((({O> ~~~ }<{{{{(o> ~~~ }<(((({0> ~~~ }<{{{{{(ô> ~~~
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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06 Oct 2005 08:51:19 AM |
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Thomas King wrote:
Why don't you JW's predict the end for 2005, 2006, 2207, etc., every year,
for the next one billion, trillion years. Then IF and when it comes, you can
claim that YOU predicted it. Never mind all the years that it DIDN'T come,
you don't allow the world to hold that against you. But you'll sure as hell
take credit for the ONE year that it finally does come. How do you expect
anyone to take you seriously when you then would have a success rate of
0.000000000000000000000000001%? Don't you get it?? YOU DON'T HAVE THE
TRUTH!!!! How many times do you have to be told that????
"P.T." <pt@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:P1x0f.24038$Xl2.18841@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
If it were a TRUE prediction, it wouldn't fail.
<OBVES@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1128398354.264483.196910@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
The nature of our predictions is such that we cannot be 100% certain
that a given date for the coming of the Messiah will be fulfilled.
If God were still giving revelations and worked miracles we would know
that we live in the same-type of times as the first christians and the
date - if given by God- would be final.
But as things are different now we have to rely on interpretation of
the Bible in order to construe predictons and just as our
understanidnig of the Bible grows and we make corrections the same is
with predictions.
Note that there is a wide range of dates that can be put forth not
just like a one choice of the two concerning if there is a literal hot
hell or not or is there a Trinity or not ? And in these subject how
grave mistakes were made !
The predictons turn our attention to the fact that in such and such a
time there is a reasonable possibility that the Messiah may come and
God's Kingdom will be established on earth.
As I have already pointed out the next best dates are 2011 and 2012
when to expect the end of the world again.
Only those who believe the Bible is wholly inspired by God and have
acceptable to God the body of doctrines can make predictions .
A person must be of the true christian faith to do so. It is good
,then, to check out what are beliefs of such person before dealing with
the predictions that person makes.
So making the predictions is extremely difficult and a very
complicated task. One must find who has the true religon - beliefs
based correctly or the best way on the Bible.
There was never in human history that a person of the true religion
was a false prophet at the same time. One thimg excludes the other.
So,you may neee to re-asses your opion as you have misunderstood who
is a false prophet according to the Bible.
The other reasonable dates to take into account as the possible dates
for the end of the world are :
2017 and 2018
2033,2034,2034,2035,2036
If you come up with the dates 2017 and 2018 because your grandfather
has now 17 cows and 18 horses in his stable it will be a false
prediction even if the date 2017 will come true ! The prediction must
be based on the Bible and its understanding . So ,the way it is built
determines if it is correctly built .
If you came up with 2017 I came up already with the same date using
the Bible and what I did will counts as I based the date on the Bible
and this will decide the end will come .
Harold Camping of the Family Radio in the USA alredy came up with the
date 2011 as a likely date for the end .
I would not believe too much in his date 2011 if I had not come up
with the same date independently with other calculations.
Harold Camping has many views contrary to the Bible to my knowledge
and that he set up this wonderful date can mean nothing. He must be a
true christian.
You can be under impression the date 2012 was taken from Mayan culture
that points to the 2012 as the end of the time !
No ! I have been resisting the date untill I came with my discovery
of the 2012 ! And Mayan cultire or call it religion has nothing to do
with the Bible and my prediction for 2012 ! Despite of the fact the
dates are the same !
we had a few prophets on our newsgroup who caused untold aggravation
for years but in the end their dates passed and their death threats
came to naught.
in the worldwide church of god other date predictions came and went and
those making the predictions made massive revisions of literature and
recalled old "proclamations."
this only goes to show that the liar and deceiver eventually has a
tendency to be deceived himself.
one tends to get "dizzy with success."
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| User: "~* Salutation" |
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04 Oct 2005 04:19:26 PM |
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Thomas King wrote:
Why don't you JW's predict the end for 2005, 2006, 2207, etc., every year,
for the next one billion, trillion years. Then IF and when it comes, you can
claim that YOU predicted it. Never mind all the years that it DIDN'T come,
you don't allow the world to hold that against you. But you'll sure as hell
take credit for the ONE year that it finally does come. How do you expect
anyone to take you seriously when you then would have a success rate of
0.000000000000000000000000001%? Don't you get it?? YOU DON'T HAVE THE
TRUTH!!!! How many times do you have to be told that????
==================
They know if they predict the *end* falsely one more time they'll lose
too many unpaid slaves. That can cost them a lot of MONEY. I think
they're out of the prediction business. They know the "spirit
direction" they're getting from the spirit world is probably coming
from something other than a god.
Sal...
Wise men stare at the unknown, and boldly asks, WHY?
Others... fall on their hands and knees, and start mumbling...
(God did it! God did it!)
~ Thus Spake God's Creator ~
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| User: "" |
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06 Oct 2005 06:52:20 AM |
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Read my posts more carefuly once again.
The predictions reflect the dates God might have in His plan when to
end the evil world.
So , God had 1994 , 1999, 2000,2001,2004 and now has 2005 and I by
using the Bible was able to get the same dates . So predictions were
when God could end the world ,not when the end will take place !
So the predictions were correct and true ! Simply , ypu don't
understand the nature of the present day predictions which are about
the possible end of the world.
So , on the Lord's Day , God will not punish me for finding accurate
dates He had on His schedule but will reward me !
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| User: "DeEler Expoza" |
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06 Oct 2005 10:39:28 AM |
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<OBVES@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1128599540.933273.130880@g43g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
Read my posts more carefuly once again.
$ Why? They don't make any sense and are full of numerology and false
predictions.
The predictions reflect the dates God might have in His plan when to
end the evil world.
$ The world is not evil. Some people in the world are evil. Who is
poisoning your mind? You really need to seek professional help. Everyone
is telling you that. Why can't YOU see it?
--
DeeDee....
All the JWs wish for is walking around the COUNTRYSIDE (never any towns
pictured in the WT rags) smiling like the village idiot and carrying
baskets of veggies and fruit with them. Also note they all live in suit
pants and dress shirts. The women live in housedresses of 1952 vintage.....
and they call that paradise? Any normal human being would rapidly be bored
to death looking at trees, grass, each other's ever smiling faces and eating
a vegetarian diet.
They'd soon be longing for a good book, a movie, a Mall or a steak
dinner..... (Carol)
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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06 Oct 2005 01:34:31 PM |
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"OBVES@aol.com" wrote:
Read my posts more carefuly once again.
The predictions reflect the dates God might have in His plan when to
end the evil world.
So , God had 1994 , 1999, 2000,2001,2004 and now has 2005 and I by
using the Bible was able to get the same dates . So predictions were
when God could end the world ,not when the end will take place !
So the predictions were correct and true ! Simply , ypu don't
understand the nature of the present day predictions which are about
the possible end of the world.
So , on the Lord's Day , God will not punish me for finding accurate
dates He had on His schedule but will reward me !
===>Ttah is RIDICULOUS.
So, you can "predict" ANY year you wish,
and claim that date was "on his schedule".
Pure BOVINE EXCREMENT! -- L.
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| User: "DeEler Expoza" |
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06 Oct 2005 03:25:28 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:43456E37.1CE3B457@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
"OBVES@aol.com" wrote:
Read my posts more carefuly once again.
reward me !
===>Ttah is RIDICULOUS.
So, you can "predict" ANY year you wish,
and claim that date was "on his schedule".
Pure BOVINE EXCREMENT! -- L.
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I've come to the conclusion it's not just the alcohol and an obsession with
doomsday with OBVES. I don't think the man is sane and we understand the
term "sane".... anymore.
--
DeeDee.....
"I contend that we are both atheists, I just believe in one less god
than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all other possible gods,
then you
will know why I dismiss yours." -= Stephen F. Roberts =-
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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06 Oct 2005 07:28:41 AM |
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On 6 Oct 2005 04:52:20 -0700, "OBVES@aol.com"
<OBVES@aol.com> spake thusly:
Read my posts more carefuly once again.
No thanks. Reading your falsehoods once was enough.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
"The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree;
he shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon. Those that
are planted in the house of Jehovah shall flourish
in the courts of our God." - Psalm 92:12-13
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| User: "" |
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04 Oct 2005 09:14:45 PM |
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Why don't you JW's predict the end for 2005, 2006, 2207, etc., every
year,
for the next one billion, trillion
**
I have a sister who long time ago told me: the end of the world may
come any hour (,even at the hour as we were talking ).
So, there are people who believe the end can happen any hour but in my
case it is not so !
The end will come not at any hour but at the biblically based date !
The end will not come on November, 21 but it may come on November
,6th.
The end will not come in February 2006 but it may come December ,25
,2005.
The end will not come in 2007,2008 ,2009,2010 but it may come in 2011
or 2012.
So the difference is that I am choosing some specified dates as
dictated by the understanding of the Bible.
That is why we must compare how people understand the Bible.. And we
search for the best interpretation as where is the best intrepretation
there might be true religion and reliable predictions.
Reading and studying it I am of the opionon the end wil not come just
at any hour.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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06 Oct 2005 04:00:39 AM |
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On 4 Oct 2005 19:14:45 -0700, "OBVES@aol.com"
<OBVES@aol.com> spake thusly:
I have a sister who long time ago told me: the end of the world may
come any hour (,even at the hour as we were talking ).
Then shut up.
So the difference is that I am choosing some specified dates as
dictated by the understanding of the Bible.
No you're not.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
"The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree;
he shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon. Those that
are planted in the house of Jehovah shall flourish
in the courts of our God." - Psalm 92:12-13
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: @ IF THE PREDICTION FOR 2005 FAILS WHAT NEXT ? @ |
05 Oct 2005 06:10:36 AM |
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On 4 Oct 2005 19:14:45 -0700, "OBVES@aol.com"
<OBVES@aol.com> spake thusly:
Why don't you JW's predict the end for 2005, 2006, 2207, etc., every
year,
for the next one billion, trillion
**
I have a sister who long time ago told me: the end of the world may
come any hour (,even at the hour as we were talking ).
So, there are people who believe the end can happen any hour but in my
case it is not so !
The end will come not at any hour but at the biblically based date !
The end will not come on November, 21 but it may come on November
,6th.
The end will not come in February 2006 but it may come December ,25
,2005.
The end will not come in 2007,2008 ,2009,2010 but it may come in 2011
or 2012.
So the difference is that I am choosing some specified dates as
dictated by the understanding of the Bible.
That is why we must compare how people understand the Bible.. And we
search for the best interpretation as where is the best intrepretation
there might be true religion and reliable predictions.
Reading and studying it I am of the opionon the end wil not come just
at any hour.
Have you considered therapy? Have you been in therapy?
I'm serious.
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
"There is therefore now no condemnation
to those who are in Christ Jesus, who walk
not according to the flesh but according
to the Spirit." - Romans 8:1
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| User: "" |
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06 Oct 2005 06:44:07 AM |
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Call Harold Camping on his Open Forum program
M-F EST USA
1-800-322-5385
and he will explain you you are not a pastor .
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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06 Oct 2005 01:31:56 PM |
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"OBVES@aol.com" wrote:
Call Harold Camping on his Open Forum program
M-F EST USA
1-800-322-5385
and he will explain you you are not a pastor .
===>Faith is a kind of hypnotic trance.
You appear to be under the spell of the hypnotist
named Harold Camping.
If you wake up, you will realize how misled you were. -- L.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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06 Oct 2005 07:28:18 AM |
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On 6 Oct 2005 04:44:07 -0700, "OBVES@aol.com"
<OBVES@aol.com> spake thusly:
Call Harold Camping on his Open Forum program
M-F EST USA
1-800-322-5385
Another one who has fantasies about what the Bible says
and can't accept that he might even once be wrong.
The guy that calls it a "discussion program" and then
turns down the mic of whomever disagree with him and
when they point that out, he says it's a "teaching
program". <chuckle>
and he will explain you you are not a pastor .
And of course, comes the inevitable attack on my
credentials, as if that could make the facts about
your falsehoods go away. <chuckle>
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Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
"The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree;
he shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon. Those that
are planted in the house of Jehovah shall flourish
in the courts of our God." - Psalm 92:12-13
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| User: "Victoria Hirt" |
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| Title: Re: @ IF THE PREDICTION FOR 2005 FAILS WHAT NEXT ? @ |
06 Oct 2005 05:54:07 AM |
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Well, if your name is LaHaye you say oops and write another book.
On 3 Oct 2005 20:59:14 -0700, "OBVES@aol.com" <OBVES@aol.com> wrote:
The nature of our predictions is such that we cannot be 100% certain
that a given date for the coming of the Messiah will be fulfilled.
If God were still giving revelations and worked miracles we would know
that we live in the same-type of times as the first christians and the
date - if given by God- would be final.
But as things are different now we have to rely on interpretation of
the Bible in order to construe predictons and just as our
understanidnig of the Bible grows and we make corrections the same is
with predictions.
Note that there is a wide range of dates that can be put forth not
just like a one choice of the two concerning if there is a literal hot
hell or not or is there a Trinity or not ? And in these subject how
grave mistakes were made !
The predictons turn our attention to the fact that in such and such a
time there is a reasonable possibility that the Messiah may come and
God's Kingdom will be established on earth.
As I have already pointed out the next best dates are 2011 and 2012
when to expect the end of the world again.
Only those who believe the Bible is wholly inspired by God and have
acceptable to God the body of doctrines can make predictions .
A person must be of the true christian faith to do so. It is good
,then, to check out what are beliefs of such person before dealing with
the predictions that person makes.
So making the predictions is extremely difficult and a very
complicated task. One must find who has the true religon - beliefs
based correctly or the best way on the Bible.
There was never in human history that a person of the true religion
was a false prophet at the same time. One thimg excludes the other.
So,you may neee to re-asses your opion as you have misunderstood who
is a false prophet according to the Bible.
The other reasonable dates to take into account as the possible dates
for the end of the world are :
2017 and 2018
2033,2034,2034,2035,2036
If you come up with the dates 2017 and 2018 because your grandfather
has now 17 cows and 18 horses in his stable it will be a false
prediction even if the date 2017 will come true ! The prediction must
be based on the Bible and its understanding . So ,the way it is built
determines if it is correctly built .
If you came up with 2017 I came up already with the same date using
the Bible and what I did will counts as I based the date on the Bible
and this will decide the end will come .
Harold Camping of the Family Radio in the USA alredy came up with the
date 2011 as a likely date for the end .
I would not believe too much in his date 2011 if I had not come up
with the same date independently with other calculations.
Harold Camping has many views contrary to the Bible to my knowledge
and that he set up this wonderful date can mean nothing. He must be a
true christian.
You can be under impression the date 2012 was taken from Mayan culture
that points to the 2012 as the end of the time !
No ! I have been resisting the date untill I came with my discovery
of the 2012 ! And Mayan cultire or call it religion has nothing to do
with the Bible and my prediction for 2012 ! Despite of the fact the
dates are the same !
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| User: "DeEler Expoza" |
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| Title: Re: @ IF THE PREDICTION FOR 2005 FAILS WHAT NEXT ? @ |
06 Oct 2005 10:43:23 AM |
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"Victoria Hirt" <Please@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:g60ak1hdl301669mfbm9lfm374gk6629mv@4ax.com...
Well, if your name is LaHaye you say oops and write another book.
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And if you're the Governing Body of the Watchtower Society you say, "Oops,
that's old light. The spirits just gave us NEW-LIGHT" and write another
book. ;-)
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DeeDee.........
Yep, the sleazebags at the WTS added another 120 years to 1914. What a
hoot! :-D The poor misled JWs who were waiting for 1975 got the shaft,
then 2000, shafted again... now this. What happened to all their promised
and underlined scripture proving the generation who saw 1914 would not pass
away before "the end of this system of things?" And they claim a clear
direct line to Jehovah!!!
How can any rational person be so gullible as to swallow this obvious male
bovine excreta? This GB vomit....
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: @ IF THE PREDICTION FOR 2005 FAILS WHAT NEXT ? @ |
06 Oct 2005 07:26:00 AM |
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On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:54:07 GMT, Victoria Hirt
<Please@nospam.com> spake thusly:
Well, if your name is LaHaye you say oops and write another book.
<LOL!> :)
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
"The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree;
he shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon. Those that
are planted in the house of Jehovah shall flourish
in the courts of our God." - Psalm 92:12-13
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| User: "Victoria Hirt" |
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| Title: Re: Re: @ IF THE PREDICTION FOR 2005 FAILS WHAT NEXT ? @ |
06 Oct 2005 08:47:30 PM |
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On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:26:00 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:54:07 GMT, Victoria Hirt
<Please@nospam.com> spake thusly:
Well, if your name is LaHaye you say oops and write another book.
<LOL!> :)
When I was a little girl my foster mother firmly believed that Christ
would come back in her life time and ministers, preachers, etc. told
her so over and over. She's been dead over 40 years. Christ said no
one would know and I suspect He wasn't kidding.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: @ IF THE PREDICTION FOR 2005 FAILS WHAT NEXT ? @ |
07 Oct 2005 10:54:33 AM |
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On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 01:47:30 GMT, Victoria Hirt
<Please@nospam.com> spake thusly:
On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:26:00 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:54:07 GMT, Victoria Hirt
<Please@nospam.com> spake thusly:
Well, if your name is LaHaye you say oops and write another book.
<LOL!> :)
When I was a little girl my foster mother firmly believed that Christ
would come back in her life time and ministers, preachers, etc. told
her so over and over. She's been dead over 40 years. Christ said no
one would know and I suspect He wasn't kidding.
Christ said no one would know THE DAY, nor THE HOUR.
He was specific about that. He did however, state the
generation and stated that that generation was the one
He was talking to. He was specific about that too. :)
--
Pastor Dave
1st Century Church of Christ
"The righteous shall flourish like the palm tree;
he shall grow like a cedar in Lebanon. Those that
are planted in the house of Jehovah shall flourish
in the courts of our God." - Psalm 92:12-13
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: @ IF THE PREDICTION FOR 2005 FAILS WHAT NEXT ? @ |
07 Oct 2005 11:16:51 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Fri, 07 Oct 2005 01:47:30 GMT, Victoria Hirt
<Please@nospam.com> spake thusly:
On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:26:00 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:54:07 GMT, Victoria Hirt
<Please@nospam.com> spake thusly:
Well, if your name is LaHaye you say oops and write another book.
<LOL!> :)
When I was a little girl my foster mother firmly believed that Christ
would come back in her life time and ministers, preachers, etc. told
her so over and over. She's been dead over 40 years. Christ said no
one would know and I suspect He wasn't kidding.
Christ said no one would know THE DAY, nor THE HOUR.
He was specific about that. He did however, state the
generation and stated that that generation was the one
He was talking to. He was specific about that too. :)
===>You have never read that "Christ" said that.
The story says it was a man named IESOUS.
And he is just a fictional character in a story,
in which the writer makes him express his, the writer's
ideas, opinions, speculations and fantasies. -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: @ IF THE PREDICTION FOR 2005 FAILS WHAT NEXT ? @ |
07 Oct 2005 11:14:21 AM |
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Victoria Hirt wrote:
On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 12:26:00 GMT, Pastor Dave
<1news-group-mail1@nospam-tampa-bay.rr.com> wrote:
On Thu, 06 Oct 2005 10:54:07 GMT, Victoria Hirt
<Please@nospam.com> spake thusly:
Well, if your name is LaHaye you say oops and write another book.
<LOL!> :)
When I was a little girl my foster mother firmly believed that Christ
would come back in her life time and ministers, preachers, etc. told
her so over and over. She's been dead over 40 years. Christ said no
one would know and I suspect He wasn't kidding.
===>Actually, it is written to have been said not by "Christ",
but by someone named IESOUS,
who is a fictional character in a story. -- L.
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