On Wed, 26 Dec 2007 04:58:37 -0800 (PST), tevans9129
<tevans9129@charter.net> said the following:
I had a discussion recently with a Preterist
and came away just as frustrated as you are.
Because he wouldn't kiss you ***** and say you're right
and actually had some proof for his position.
To adopt a Preterist view, you have to take such
a radical departure from the Bible's literal intent
that it's almost impossible to conduct a legitimate
conversation.
By "legitimate", he means; "Literal only when I say so,
because that makes it fit my doctrine. But if you ask
why I don't interpret the next passage literally, I'll call
you a worker of Satan and claim you're lying because
you know I'm right!".
You see folks, this is where Futurists lie. They claim
that the Bible has a "literal intent" and yet, don't stick
to their own rule!
Tell us, you who kept claiming claims about Ezekiel
and demanded that I provide historical events that
*EXACTLY* mirrored Ezekiel and then ran away
when I quoted Ezekiel and showed how modern
war could *NOT* possibly line up with a literal
interpretation, why did you run away?!
You asked... "When did the battle of Ezekiel 38 & 39
occur and who were the participants?" and claimed
that it was "To understand the Preterist view", which
was a damn lie, since you rail against it every chance
you get, you liar!
Now only this, but as I said, you told me that the battles
had to EXACTLY MIRROR what Ezekiel said in them!
So I asked you, since you claim that it HAS to be EXACT
and that it will happen in OUR future...
How would the following be fulfilled in the future?
"I will turn you around, put hooks into your jaws, and
lead you out, with all your army, horses, and horsemen,
all splendidly clothed, a great company with bucklers
and shields, all of them handling swords." - Ezekiel 38:4
What modern army goes to war with horses and horsemen,
bucklers and shields?
And when will we see the Lord put "hooks into their jaws"?
And remember, it MUST be fulfilled LITERALLY! You do
NOT get to claim it's symbolism, since you allowed me
NO room for that at all!!!
We're waiting! What is your answer?!
"Thus says the Lord GOD: “On that day it shall come to pass
that thoughts will arise in your mind, and you will make an
evil plan: You will say, ‘I will go up against a land of
unwalled villages." - Ezekiel 38:10-11a
What modern army goes into battle to win against,
"unwalled villages"?
"Sheba, Dedan, the merchants of Tarshish, and all their
young lions will say to you, ‘Have you come to take
plunder? Have you gathered your army to take booty,
to carry away silver and gold, to take away livestock
and goods, to take great plunder?" - Ezekiel 38:13
What modern army goes to war to take livestock?
When's the last time you saw nations gathering to
go to war, to get some cows?!
"I will turn you around and lead you on, bringing you up
from the far north, and bring you against the mountains
of Israel. Then I will knock the bow out of your left
hand, and cause the arrows to fall out of your right hand."
- Ezekiel 39:2b-3
What modern army goes to war, with bows and arrows
against Israel? And not even against the people, but
against the mountains? Hello?! Remember, WE'RE
BEING LITERAL HERE!!!
Now I have more I can ask you about these two chapters,
but let me finish with this one...
"Then those who dwell in the cities of Israel will go out
and set on fire and burn the weapons, both the shields
and bucklers, the bows and arrows, the javelins and spears;
and they will make fires with them for seven years."
- Ezekiel 39:9
Now tell us, what modern army has weapons made of all wood?!
You know, "shields and bucklers, bows and arrows, javelins
and spears"? And how much of that could they gave, to burn
for seven years?!
So listen buddy, YOU have a LOT of explaining to do!
Remember, YOU said LITERAL!
Remember, YOU said it HAD to EXACTLY MIRROR Ezekiel!!!
And yet, when you ran away from these questions, what did
you do, you lying little cowardly boy?! Why, you went to a
web site, where they would stroke your ego and feigned that
you were posting the same question "to try to better
understand the Preterist position" and claimed that you just
couldn't get an answer to your question!
Your question was ***** and you know it! And you ran
away like a little girl, when I exposed the fact that your
"question" and your demand was asked when you responded
to a post I sent, to which you responded to, by snipping
almost everything I said and then making your demand!
And when I said something, you tried to deny it, as if
doing so, would make my message disappear from usenet!
And so, I responded by showing you just how ridiculous
your "exactly mirroring and literal" demand was and
pointed out what you did, you responded to that message,
by insulting me and claiming I lied and running away,
to go to find a web site that you could post on and that
you knew was Futurist and would tell you just what a
wonderful lover of truth you are, you coward!
So now I await your answers to my questions!
Tell us how all of that is not in the past and how
it will be "exactly and literally mirrored" in a
future battle and hey, why not feel free to make up
all kinds of world scenarios and tell us how the weapons
of the future will go backward and be made of wood
and then tell us how "arrows = missiles" and how
"horses = tanks" and when I point out that that
does not live up to your demand, tell me how I
"just don't understand the Bible" and then tell me
how "the Holy Spirit told you".
Bawahahahaha!!! <chuckle>
But go ahead... I'll give you a chance to show that
you're not a coward and redeem yourself. But make
sure that it is a "literal and exactly mirrors what
Ezekiel said in Ezekiel 38-39" response, okay? :)
And also tell us, Mr. Literal, why is it that you claim that
Rev 19 says that Jesus will ride a literal horse down from
Heaven, yet claim that the sword sticking out of His mouth
while He does it, is symbolic for the word of God?
Let me tell you something about *YOU* that *IS* literal...
H-Y-P-O-C-R-I-T-E !
There's more!... I-G-N-O-R-A-N-T T-O S-C-R-I-P-T-U-R-E !
Oh yea! There's also at least one more!... L-I-A-R !
But again, go ahead and show me how ignorant I am!
Show us your "literal and exactly mirrors these things"
interpretation, oh great one!!!
It seems like everything is really something else.
You mean like when you say that "soon" and "now" means,
"thousands of years, because it's all about me, me, me!" ???
As far as I've been able to determine, Preserists
are the only ones who date the Revelation in the
50-60 AD range. They have to do this to
accommodate their view.
Actually, that's flat out load of *****! But you knew
that, which is why you avoid everything I post on the
subject of the dating of Revelation! And you don't even
have the dating right! But hey, you wouldn't be ignorant
to the Preterist position, would you? <chuckle!>
And you haven't answered the question... Why did you
R-U-N A-W-A-Y when I responded to your Ezekiel
demand, which btw, you made when you responded
to a post a sent, by snipping 99% of it to ask your
question, because you could not refute what I posted,
or you certainly would have! <chuckle!>
And don't bother with your "It was too long" *****,
because it simply wasn't too long!
Now we're all waiting for your answer, which we know
isn't coming! At best, you'll deny this happened (which
would be a stupid mistake, considering that I have the
posts saved locally on my system) and then claim that
you did answer me. Bawahahaha!!! <chuckle>
--
One good thing about Alzheimers is that you meet new people
every day.
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