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"Pastor Dave" |
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14 May 2007 06:45:56 PM |
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*** THE HYPOCRISY OF IT ALL!!! *** |
On Mon, 14 May 2007 04:19:41 +0200, " ::: vera :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> claimed:
Let's take a look at what you said here. And let's note
right up front that calling me names will not make
these issues go away, nor will snipping my words
erase them from everyone's news reader. You like
to think that if you snip what I write, that people
actually sit there and think that you refuted what
I said. And then you actually claim that you did,
even though all you did was snip it and ignore it
altogether. So it is your choice how you handle
this, but people are not as stupid as you like to
think they are, Vera, no matter how much you
want it to be true. I am responding to your words
and people will note that you snipped all of my words,
because they will have my post in their news readers
as well.
See the hypocrisy in how he starts his post here
while exactly spending his time with the posters
he is referring to. Please also see his lies about
what other people are doing - he has no proof
for his false accusations.
You mean like when you claimed that I'm an anti-Semite,
because I repeated what the Bible says? Or do you mean
when you claimed that I am like a Nazi, as if I am for
burning Jews? Or was it when you claimed that I hate
the Jews, because I repeated what the Bible says? Or
is it about the fact that you have offered absolutely zero
evidence for your accusations and when I posted the
Scriptures to back myself up, you constantly snipped them
and went to other threads, to spread your lies about me,
calling me those names in those threads as well, even
though they were threads I wasn't even in?
ACC is a good study for hypocrisy
Yes, it is! See above! It seems to me that given these
facts about you, his accusations cannot possibly be false!
Would you like me to quote your comments here in
this thread for you? Na, you know what you said!
I wonder if Readers really want to read what Sectarians
write to bait them.
And which exact "sect" is that Vera? Here you are,
making more accusations and yet, providing no proof
whatsoever.
Of course the Sectarians are friendly to newbies
- but this should not lead them to put any trust
into such persons like Oldwetdog or "Pastor" Dave
- both of which are known and proved anti-Semites,
by the way.
Proved? Please show us where that "proof" is, Vera.
And do so quoting me, not yourself accusing me,
which is what you always do, pretending that is proof.
And back up your claims with such quotes and show
me which Scriptures that I quoted (which said exactly
what I said) are in error.
Please also note how disqualified he is using
Scripture - not to say abusing Scripture.
How is one disqualified by using Scripture that
supports what they said?
And speaking of "abusing Scripture", why is it
that when someone quotes Scripture that does
not agree with your own personal doctrine,
that you always snip it in your response and
refuse to deal with it and attack them on a
personal level, using political propaganda,
to try to silence people, by trying to inflame
others against them?
Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers",
Then I guess that by your own words, you aren't
blessed and don't wish to be, since you have not
once even attempted to make peace! All you have
done, since you returned, is to make war!
but he also said that he brought a sword,
no peace. There is no time for peace now
Thank you for proving my point! And thank you
for admitting to your real purpose here! To start
a war! And wasn't it you who was one of those
who criticized OWD for saying that he wants to
make war? Hmmm???
- though I would love that very much.
No you wouldn't. As soon as you entered this group
again, you immediately started attacking people!
Jesus said "Love one another"
And you are saying not to! In fact, you just finished
saying that!
And when I said that we should love the Jews, just
not as a race, just because they're Jewish, but rather,
as individual people, like any other person, how did
you end up translating that into, "Dave's an anti-Semite!"
Vera? Well?
- and was talking to His Disciples - NOT to heretics
and blasphemers.
So then, you're a hypocrite! You claimed that the Bible
says that we should love everyone, but I guess that
doesn't include those who Vera hates. (:
Speaking of heresy, what would you consider someone
who claims to be a Christian and says that Christ is not
the only way to God? A heretic, of course! But yet,
you claim that we shouldn't say that the Jews reject God
and yet, they reject Christ and the Bible says that those
who do not have the Son, do not have the Father. And
yet, here you are, pretending that there are two ways
to God. That the Jews are somehow okay with God
and yet, they reject His Christ! Now please explain to
us how this does not make you a heretic. We're waiting.
And calling me "anti-Semite" is not going to make the
problem go away and neither will snipping my words.
You did call me an anti-Semite, when I said that a Jew
who dies without accepting Christ is condemned.
Please tell us how it is that you claim not to be a heretic
and yet, you believe that there are two ways to God,
one for the Jews and one for Christians, while at the
same time, you would say that anyone who claimed
that there is more than one way to God, is a heretic.
We'd all really like to hear that explanation!
And speaking of blasphemers, since you love to bring up
the Jews in any response to me and call me an anti-Semite,
no matter what the topic is, to avoid having to deal with
Scripture, why do you not consider the Jews to be blasphemers?
Don't they sat that Jesus is not the Messiah? Don't they
reject Him? Don't they claim that He was a sorcerer?
Why isn't that blasphemy? Is it just because Vera says
we are supposed to praise them anyway?
I'm not attacking the Jews here. YOU, VERA, brought it up
by calling me an anti-Semite in THIS message! So now you
can tell us why you don't have a problem with blasphemy,
if it is a Jew doing it.
"Who's my neighbour" - well, does Oldwetdog lie on
the ground, unable to help himself up? Not really.
No, he came here to pitchfork the Christians! Did
Jesus say that one should allow tyrants to control
others? No! Far from that!
So then, you now claim that he isn't your neighbor.
Where does the Bible say that someone isn't your
neighbor? Can you show us, please?
And why do you think that you personally have
the power to allow, or disallow someone from
saying, or doing something? I'm no OWD fan,
but if he pays for his Internet access, or has a
means of getting free access, then you have no
right to tell him whether he can post or not!
You know, you keep calling *me* a Nazi and yet,
you're the German, who like Hitler, is trying to
run people out that you don't like!
So who's really the Nazi here?! (:
Oh, and the light thingy...
Is this what you call quoting Scripture? (:
To walk in the light means to live sinlessly,
because light would uncover the slightest sin.
Are you claiming that you walk sinlessly, Vera?
Obviously, you are, because in your next sentence,
you start, to use your own word, "pitchforking"
people, so it seems clear that you feel that you
walk a sinless life and we don't.
You know Vera, you may want to look into
a neck brace. It must be hard to hold up
that huge head of yours and you wouldn't
want to damage your neck, ya know? (:
I do not think that calling others "wolf pack"
could be called "walking in the light".
But calling others "anti-Semite" and "Nazi",
without ever offering any evidence and only
to inflame people, is "walking in the light"?
You have got to be the biggest hypocrite
I have ever seen!!! (: You tell people that
they aren't walking in the light and get on
them about calling people names, in the
very same message that you call me an
anti-Semite in and you just finished
attacking three people! Hello??? Duh?!?
And forgiveness - what do you think,
dear Reader, will Jesus forgive Judas?
Will he forgive the Nazis the murder
of so many Jews and other people
without their repentance?
And now you compare us to Nazi's.
And you compare us to Judas, who betrayed Christ
to the other Jews, who had Him crucified!
Does your disgusting, vile lack of morals know
no bounds, Vera?!
And do you want to know what's really disgusting?!
You call me an anti-Semite, because I said that it was
the Jews who betrayed Jesus, as Judas proved and
as John 19:12-16 proves and yet, here you are,
calling us Judas and saying how awful we are!
Furthermore, for you to compare us to Judas,
who handed over the Lord to those who had Him
crucified, is about as low as you could have gotten!
you are a sick woman! (:
Judas did not repent, but he became crazy
and committed suicide in the end - so dark
had his heart become.
Why don't you just admit the truth? By "repent",
you mean, "always agree with Vera, or leave".
And that is not an exaggeration, since that's
exactly what you told people to do!
Yes, I for my part would send Oldwetdog and
"Pastor" Dave off into the woods if I could -
and I would send this poster below right after them.
Thank you for proving my point for me! :)
And what did "Soggy" say? That you wanted us
out of this news group. And what did you just
finish saying? That you want us out of this
news group. So why do you attack him, claiming
that he is a liar, when you just proved through
your own words, that he is not?!
And do you know why? To save others from
the harm of running onto the Sectarian's trap.
More accusations, without any proof whatsoever.
You were saying something about "Nazi's"? (:
Be blessed richly,
That's a funny way to end such a harmful message!
And what's really funny, is when I or anyone else
says something that isn't loving, you're quick to
jump on us and yet, here you are, attacking like
a vicious wolf, which is where you and Randy
and your other pal ended up getting the name,
"Wolf Pack" from. And yet you speak of love
and walking in the light?! Please!
::: vera :::
Don't worry, we know which posts are yours, Vera.
As soon as we see how disgusting and vile the
thoughts expressed are, we know it's yours. No need
to look for a signature! Especially when we see all of
the disgusting and false accusations that you make
against people, constantly claiming that you proved
them and yet, all you do is accuse! You are disgusting!
And I think that everyone should spend 24 hours
straight, praying for you!
--
Pastor Dave
People are so afraid to reject doctrine, that they just
don't give a damn what the Bible actually says! (:
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| Title: Re: *** THE HYPOCRISY OF IT ALL!!! *** |
14 May 2007 07:31:06 PM |
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On May 15, 12:45 am, Pastor Dave <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Mon, 14 May 2007 04:19:41 +0200, " ::: vera :::"
<veral...@lycos.com> claimed:
Let's take a look at what you said here. And let's note
right up front that calling me names will not make
these issues go away, nor will snipping my words
erase them from everyone's news reader. You like
to think that if you snip what I write, that people
actually sit there and think that you refuted what
I said. And then you actually claim that you did,
even though all you did was snip it and ignore it
altogether. So it is your choice how you handle
this, but people are not as stupid as you like to
think they are, Vera, no matter how much you
want it to be true. I am responding to your words
and people will note that you snipped all of my words,
because they will have my post in their news readers
as well.
See the hypocrisy in how he starts his post here
while exactly spending his time with the posters
he is referring to. Please also see his lies about
what other people are doing - he has no proof
for his false accusations.
You mean like when you claimed that I'm an anti-Semite,
because I repeated what the Bible says? Or do you mean
when you claimed that I am like a Nazi, as if I am for
burning Jews? Or was it when you claimed that I hate
the Jews, because I repeated what the Bible says? Or
is it about the fact that you have offered absolutely zero
evidence for your accusations and when I posted the
Scriptures to back myself up, you constantly snipped them
and went to other threads, to spread your lies about me,
calling me those names in those threads as well, even
though they were threads I wasn't even in?
ACC is a good study for hypocrisy
Yes, it is! See above! It seems to me that given these
facts about you, his accusations cannot possibly be false!
Would you like me to quote your comments here in
this thread for you? Na, you know what you said!
I wonder if Readers really want to read what Sectarians
write to bait them.
And which exact "sect" is that Vera? Here you are,
making more accusations and yet, providing no proof
whatsoever.
Of course the Sectarians are friendly to newbies
- but this should not lead them to put any trust
into such persons like Oldwetdog or "Pastor" Dave
- both of which are known and proved anti-Semites,
by the way.
Proved? Please show us where that "proof" is, Vera.
And do so quoting me, not yourself accusing me,
which is what you always do, pretending that is proof.
And back up your claims with such quotes and show
me which Scriptures that I quoted (which said exactly
what I said) are in error.
Please also note how disqualified he is using
Scripture - not to say abusing Scripture.
How is one disqualified by using Scripture that
supports what they said?
And speaking of "abusing Scripture", why is it
that when someone quotes Scripture that does
not agree with your own personal doctrine,
that you always snip it in your response and
refuse to deal with it and attack them on a
personal level, using political propaganda,
to try to silence people, by trying to inflame
others against them?
Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers",
Then I guess that by your own words, you aren't
blessed and don't wish to be, since you have not
once even attempted to make peace! All you have
done, since you returned, is to make war!
but he also said that he brought a sword,
no peace. There is no time for peace now
Thank you for proving my point! And thank you
for admitting to your real purpose here! To start
a war! And wasn't it you who was one of those
who criticized OWD for saying that he wants to
make war? Hmmm???
- though I would love that very much.
No you wouldn't. As soon as you entered this group
again, you immediately started attacking people!
Jesus said "Love one another"
And you are saying not to! In fact, you just finished
saying that!
And when I said that we should love the Jews, just
not as a race, just because they're Jewish, but rather,
as individual people, like any other person, how did
you end up translating that into, "Dave's an anti-Semite!"
Vera? Well?
- and was talking to His Disciples - NOT to heretics
and blasphemers.
So then, you're a hypocrite! You claimed that the Bible
says that we should love everyone, but I guess that
doesn't include those who Vera hates. (:
Speaking of heresy, what would you consider someone
who claims to be a Christian and says that Christ is not
the only way to God? A heretic, of course! But yet,
you claim that we shouldn't say that the Jews reject God
and yet, they reject Christ and the Bible says that those
who do not have the Son, do not have the Father. And
yet, here you are, pretending that there are two ways
to God. That the Jews are somehow okay with God
and yet, they reject His Christ! Now please explain to
us how this does not make you a heretic. We're waiting.
And calling me "anti-Semite" is not going to make the
problem go away and neither will snipping my words.
You did call me an anti-Semite, when I said that a Jew
who dies without accepting Christ is condemned.
Please tell us how it is that you claim not to be a heretic
and yet, you believe that there are two ways to God,
one for the Jews and one for Christians, while at the
same time, you would say that anyone who claimed
that there is more than one way to God, is a heretic.
We'd all really like to hear that explanation!
And speaking of blasphemers, since you love to bring up
the Jews in any response to me and call me an anti-Semite,
no matter what the topic is, to avoid having to deal with
Scripture, why do you not consider the Jews to be blasphemers?
Don't they sat that Jesus is not the Messiah? Don't they
reject Him? Don't they claim that He was a sorcerer?
Why isn't that blasphemy? Is it just because Vera says
we are supposed to praise them anyway?
I'm not attacking the Jews here. YOU, VERA, brought it up
by calling me an anti-Semite in THIS message! So now you
can tell us why you don't have a problem with blasphemy,
if it is a Jew doing it.
"Who's my neighbour" - well, does Oldwetdog lie on
the ground, unable to help himself up? Not really.
No, he came here to pitchfork the Christians! Did
Jesus say that one should allow tyrants to control
others? No! Far from that!
So then, you now claim that he isn't your neighbor.
Where does the Bible say that someone isn't your
neighbor? Can you show us, please?
And why do you think that you personally have
the power to allow, or disallow someone from
saying, or doing something? I'm no OWD fan,
but if he pays for his Internet access, or has a
means of getting free access, then you have no
right to tell him whether he can post or not!
You know, you keep calling *me* a Nazi and yet,
you're the German, who like Hitler, is trying to
run people out that you don't like!
So who's really the Nazi here?! (:
Oh, and the light thingy...
Is this what you call quoting Scripture? (:
To walk in the light means to live sinlessly,
because light would uncover the slightest sin.
Are you claiming that you walk sinlessly, Vera?
Obviously, you are, because in your next sentence,
you start, to use your own word, "pitchforking"
people, so it seems clear that you feel that you
walk a sinless life and we don't.
You know Vera, you may want to look into
a neck brace. It must be hard to hold up
that huge head of yours and you wouldn't
want to damage your neck, ya know? (:
I do not think that calling others "wolf pack"
could be called "walking in the light".
But calling others "anti-Semite" and "Nazi",
without ever offering any evidence and only
to inflame people, is "walking in the light"?
You have got to be the biggest hypocrite
I have ever seen!!! (: You tell people that
they aren't walking in the light and get on
them about calling people names, in the
very same message that you call me an
anti-Semite in and you just finished
attacking three people! Hello??? Duh?!?
And forgiveness - what do you think,
dear Reader, will Jesus forgive Judas?
Will he forgive the Nazis the murder
of so many Jews and other people
without their repentance?
And now you compare us to Nazi's.
And you compare us to Judas, who betrayed Christ
to the other Jews, who had Him crucified!
Does your disgusting, vile lack of morals know
no bounds, Vera?!
And do you want to know what's really disgusting?!
You call me an anti-Semite, because I said that it was
the Jews who betrayed Jesus, as Judas proved and
as John 19:12-16 proves and yet, here you are,
calling us Judas and saying how awful we are!
Furthermore, for you to compare us to Judas,
who handed over the Lord to those who had Him
crucified, is about as low as you could have gotten!
you are a sick woman! (:
Judas did not repent, but he became crazy
and committed suicide in the end - so dark
had his heart become.
Why don't you just admit the truth? By "repent",
you mean, "always agree with Vera, or leave".
And that is not an exaggeration, since that's
exactly what you told people to do!
Yes, I for my part would send Oldwetdog and
"Pastor" Dave off into the woods if I could -
and I would send this poster below right after them.
Thank you for proving my point for me! :)
And what did "Soggy" say? That you wanted us
out of this news group. And what did you just
finish saying? That you want us out of this
news group. So why do you attack him, claiming
that he is a liar, when you just proved through
your own words, that he is not?!
And do you know why? To save others from
the harm of running onto the Sectarian's trap.
More accusations, without any proof whatsoever.
You were saying something about "Nazi's"? (:
Be blessed richly,
That's a funny way to end such a harmful message!
And what's really funny, is when I or anyone else
says something that isn't loving, you're quick to
jump on us and yet, here you are, attacking like
a vicious wolf, which is where you and Randy
and your other pal ended up getting the name,
"Wolf Pack" from. And yet you speak of love
and walking in the light?! Please!
::: vera :::
Don't worry, we know which posts are yours, Vera.
As soon as we see how disgusting and vile the
thoughts expressed are, we know it's yours. No need
to look for a signature! Especially when we see all of
the disgusting and false accusations that you make
against people, constantly claiming that you proved
them and yet, all you do is accuse! You are disgusting!
And I think that everyone should spend 24 hours
straight, praying for you!
--
Pastor Dave
People are so afraid to reject doctrine, that they just
don't give a damn what the Bible actually says! (:
better to suffer for right than for wrong.
do not perfect praise out of your own mouth.
when you are reviled, revile not again.
pearls before swine.
don't these and more mean that it really doesn't matter who says what
about whom, and we certainly should not need to justify ourselves to
each other.
Let us instead simply have an answer for the faith within us, and let
it go at that, shaking the metaphorical dust from our feet if what we
say (if scriptural) is ignored or worse. False accusers and those who
choose to let their tongues be loosed will always be with us until the
return of Christ.
Whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is right, whatever
is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is of good repute, if there is
any excellence and if anything worthy of praise, dwell on these things
Yahweh is the righteous judge. It is his opinion that matters.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: *** THE HYPOCRISY OF IT ALL!!! *** |
14 May 2007 08:00:28 PM |
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On 14 May 2007 17:31:06 -0700, shimmyshack
<matt.farey@gmail.com> claimed:
On May 15, 12:45 am, Pastor Dave <n...@nowhere.com> wrote:
better to suffer for right than for wrong.
P.S.: Let us be honest here. Without any
correction, people here are typically stupid
enough to believe it and pass it on.
--
Pastor Dave
People are so afraid to reject doctrine, that they just
don't give a damn what the Bible actually says! (:
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: *** THE HYPOCRISY OF IT ALL!!! *** |
14 May 2007 07:59:22 PM |
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On 14 May 2007 17:31:06 -0700, shimmyshack
<matt.farey@gmail.com> claimed:
better to suffer for right than for wrong.
I agree. However, that does not mean that
we cannot state when we are being falsely accused.
--
Pastor Dave
People are so afraid to reject doctrine, that they just
don't give a damn what the Bible actually says! (:
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: *** THE HYPOCRISY OF IT ALL!!! *** |
15 May 2007 01:44:40 AM |
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 23:52:18 -0400, "Diana"
<diana.is.saved.by.grace@gmail.com> claimed:
"Chuck Stamford" wrote...
"Pastor Dave" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:12th43t47deqrk2bc5gefpjcerb65mhrsg@4ax.com...
On Mon, 14 May 2007 04:19:41 +0200,
" ::: vera :::" <veralein@lycos.com>
claimed:
Let's take a look at what you said here.
And let's note right up front that calling
me names will not make these issues
go away, nor will snipping my words
erase them from everyone's news reader.
True, but it erases them from mine when I do it,
and that's better than not doing anything!
Look at Chuck's confession here! He knows that
he is avoiding the issues and yet, thinks that he
won't look like a fool for doing so, because he
won't see it in his news reader, even though
he already has! <chuckle>
And let us notice how Chuck has no problem with
what Vera has done! He doesn't mind at all that
she has lied about me repeatedly and in fact,
surely enjoys it, since he defends her actions here,
even saying that he does them as well!
Well tell us Chuck, how is anyone to think you honest,
when you just admitted to snipping the proof of
someone's lies, because you don't like the person
pointing out the lies?
Gee Chuck, is that how a Christian operates? (:
So while snipping your drivel won't cure
the ills of the world, it secures my right
to complain about you; a right I intend
to exercise whenever I please.
And here we go! Chuck hates the fact that
he is also not able to dispute what I said!
And note here, that he calls proof of Vera's lies,
"drivel". You see, Chuck just admitted that he
will snip said proof and then thinks that calling
it "drivel" makes that true, even though he just
admitted that he knows that snipping it doesn't
mean that no one else saw the proof!
Now tell us Chuck, how does that make you
look honest? The reality is, it only makes
you look like a fool!
And now, let's look at Chuck's accusations fly forth
from his fingertips, which makes him no better
than Vera, who btw, he already admitted to imitating.
Now's a good time, I think! You're a heretic, Dave.
Note here that Chuck repeats Vera's accusation.
But where is his proof? Oh, that's right, he
didn't provide any! Gee, I wonder why!
Could it be, that he doesn't have any? Why
of course that's it, folks! If that weren't it,
then we would have surely seen the proof!
But we won't, because Chuck just admitted
that he snips whatever I say instead! And
then of course, posts more accusations!
Hey Chuck, what a Christian way to go, huh?!? (:
You're no pastor,
Now I'm not a pastor. Another one of Vera's accusations!
Thank you Chuck, for showing us just how despicable
both you and Vera are, for repeatedly making accusations
and not providing one shred of proof!
And let us note that even though you know that you
sit in my kill file for your lying behavior, you had no
problem attacking me anyway, which makes it even
more despicable, because you hide behind a kill file,
while pretending to be talking to me! Therefore,
you make a bunch of accusations and try to make it
appear as if I am not responding, because I can't!
But I happened to see this through Diana quoting it
in her response to you.
and you're no Christian.
And now Chuck wants to claim that I'm not a Christian.
Why? Very simple! Because I won't fall for his word
games and his constant habit of trying to redefine words,
whenever what the Bible says doesn't line up with his
own personal doctrine and that is pointed out! Chuck
claims that I don't act Christian and yet, you should see
how fast the insults start to fly out from Chuck's
fingertips in his responses, when that happens!
And this newsgroup would be a lot better place
if you weren't here.
Chuck Stamford
Now isn't it interesting that Chuck tolerates people
like Jani (no offense Jani), who is not a Christian
and tells us how it isn't true and Mark T, who is
a well known heretic, who claims that one may not
even have to believe that Christ rose, to be a Christian
and how Chuck not only tolerates, but is actually
chummy with people like them and others, some
of whom actually claim to be Christians and even
has many polite conversations with them, while they
reject the true Christ and he goes to great, detailed
lengths with them and yet, when it comes to me,
he labels me a heretic and then, snips my words
and seems satisfied that if, as he himself admitted
at the top of this message, with the idea that if he
can make it disappear off of his screen, then he
has done something positive for Christ! <chuckle>
Furthermore, Chuck seems to believe that this
is somehow the way to furthering the Gospel!
After all, look at what he said about me! So
he must think that he is some warrior for Christ,
because he knows how to snip almost all of my
words and then insult me, instead of showing
me where I am a heretic! :)
What you will notice about Vera and Chuck,
which seems obvious at this point, is that
instead of dealing with what I said, which
they both know for a fact to be a conviction
of their despicable behavior, is them claiming
that deleting the text and insulting me, is
what should be done, even though they admit
to knowing that other people have seen the text
and therefore, know exactly what they just did,
which was to snip the proof that lies were told
and to point out how they operate. And they
seem dumb enough to think that snipping it
again, while admitting that they know that
others saw the proof and then claiming that
I am the heretic, somehow equates to good,
moral behavior!
I guess they're just not too bright, huh? (:
Now this is what Christianity is all about.
Way to go Chuck. Way to go. NOT!
Well Diana, I guess they think it is! :)
And here is what Chuck just snipped. And note
the very first paragraph, which he obviously
didn't heed. It's too bad! And I wasn't even
being insulting. I said what I said in that first
paragraph, because it's what Vera has been
repeatedly doing! Anyway...
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On Mon, 14 May 2007 04:19:41 +0200, " ::: vera :::"
<veralein@lycos.com> claimed:
Let's take a look at what you said here. And let's note
right up front that calling me names will not make
these issues go away, nor will snipping my words
erase them from everyone's news reader. You like
to think that if you snip what I write, that people
actually sit there and think that you refuted what
I said. And then you actually claim that you did,
even though all you did was snip it and ignore it
altogether. So it is your choice how you handle
this, but people are not as stupid as you like to
think they are, Vera, no matter how much you
want it to be true. I am responding to your words
and people will note that you snipped all of my words,
because they will have my post in their news readers
as well.
See the hypocrisy in how he starts his post here
while exactly spending his time with the posters
he is referring to. Please also see his lies about
what other people are doing - he has no proof
for his false accusations.
You mean like when you claimed that I'm an anti-Semite,
because I repeated what the Bible says? Or do you mean
when you claimed that I am like a Nazi, as if I am for
burning Jews? Or was it when you claimed that I hate
the Jews, because I repeated what the Bible says? Or
is it about the fact that you have offered absolutely zero
evidence for your accusations and when I posted the
Scriptures to back myself up, you constantly snipped them
and went to other threads, to spread your lies about me,
calling me those names in those threads as well, even
though they were threads I wasn't even in?
ACC is a good study for hypocrisy
Yes, it is! See above! It seems to me that given these
facts about you, his accusations cannot possibly be false!
Would you like me to quote your comments here in
this thread for you? Na, you know what you said!
I wonder if Readers really want to read what Sectarians
write to bait them.
And which exact "sect" is that Vera? Here you are,
making more accusations and yet, providing no proof
whatsoever.
Of course the Sectarians are friendly to newbies
- but this should not lead them to put any trust
into such persons like Oldwetdog or "Pastor" Dave
- both of which are known and proved anti-Semites,
by the way.
Proved? Please show us where that "proof" is, Vera.
And do so quoting me, not yourself accusing me,
which is what you always do, pretending that is proof.
And back up your claims with such quotes and show
me which Scriptures that I quoted (which said exactly
what I said) are in error.
Please also note how disqualified he is using
Scripture - not to say abusing Scripture.
How is one disqualified by using Scripture that
supports what they said?
And speaking of "abusing Scripture", why is it
that when someone quotes Scripture that does
not agree with your own personal doctrine,
that you always snip it in your response and
refuse to deal with it and attack them on a
personal level, using political propaganda,
to try to silence people, by trying to inflame
others against them?
Jesus said "Blessed are the peacemakers",
Then I guess that by your own words, you aren't
blessed and don't wish to be, since you have not
once even attempted to make peace! All you have
done, since you returned, is to make war!
but he also said that he brought a sword,
no peace. There is no time for peace now
Thank you for proving my point! And thank you
for admitting to your real purpose here! To start
a war! And wasn't it you who was one of those
who criticized OWD for saying that he wants to
make war? Hmmm???
- though I would love that very much.
No you wouldn't. As soon as you entered this group
again, you immediately started attacking people!
Jesus said "Love one another"
And you are saying not to! In fact, you just finished
saying that!
And when I said that we should love the Jews, just
not as a race, just because they're Jewish, but rather,
as individual people, like any other person, how did
you end up translating that into, "Dave's an anti-Semite!"
Vera? Well?
- and was talking to His Disciples - NOT to heretics
and blasphemers.
So then, you're a hypocrite! You claimed that the Bible
says that we should love everyone, but I guess that
doesn't include those who Vera hates. (:
Speaking of heresy, what would you consider someone
who claims to be a Christian and says that Christ is not
the only way to God? A heretic, of course! But yet,
you claim that we shouldn't say that the Jews reject God
and yet, they reject Christ and the Bible says that those
who do not have the Son, do not have the Father. And
yet, here you are, pretending that there are two ways
to God. That the Jews are somehow okay with God
and yet, they reject His Christ! Now please explain to
us how this does not make you a heretic. We're waiting.
And calling me "anti-Semite" is not going to make the
problem go away and neither will snipping my words.
You did call me an anti-Semite, when I said that a Jew
who dies without accepting Christ is condemned.
Please tell us how it is that you claim not to be a heretic
and yet, you believe that there are two ways to God,
one for the Jews and one for Christians, while at the
same time, you would say that anyone who claimed
that there is more than one way to God, is a heretic.
We'd all really like to hear that explanation!
And speaking of blasphemers, since you love to bring up
the Jews in any response to me and call me an anti-Semite,
no matter what the topic is, to avoid having to deal with
Scripture, why do you not consider the Jews to be blasphemers?
Don't they sat that Jesus is not the Messiah? Don't they
reject Him? Don't they claim that He was a sorcerer?
Why isn't that blasphemy? Is it just because Vera says
we are supposed to praise them anyway?
I'm not attacking the Jews here. YOU, VERA, brought it up
by calling me an anti-Semite in THIS message! So now you
can tell us why you don't have a problem with blasphemy,
if it is a Jew doing it.
"Who's my neighbour" - well, does Oldwetdog lie on
the ground, unable to help himself up? Not really.
No, he came here to pitchfork the Christians! Did
Jesus say that one should allow tyrants to control
others? No! Far from that!
So then, you now claim that he isn't your neighbor.
Where does the Bible say that someone isn't your
neighbor? Can you show us, please?
And why do you think that you personally have
the power to allow, or disallow someone from
saying, or doing something? I'm no OWD fan,
but if he pays for his Internet access, or has a
means of getting free access, then you have no
right to tell him whether he can post or not!
You know, you keep calling *me* a Nazi and yet,
you're the German, who like Hitler, is trying to
run people out that you don't like!
So who's really the Nazi here?! (:
Oh, and the light thingy...
Is this what you call quoting Scripture? (:
To walk in the light means to live sinlessly,
because light would uncover the slightest sin.
Are you claiming that you walk sinlessly, Vera?
Obviously, you are, because in your next sentence,
you start, to use your own word, "pitchforking"
people, so it seems clear that you feel that you
walk a sinless life and we don't.
You know Vera, you may want to look into
a neck brace. It must be hard to hold up
that huge head of yours and you wouldn't
want to damage your neck, ya know? (:
I do not think that calling others "wolf pack"
could be called "walking in the light".
But calling others "anti-Semite" and "Nazi",
without ever offering any evidence and only
to inflame people, is "walking in the light"?
You have got to be the biggest hypocrite
I have ever seen!!! (: You tell people that
they aren't walking in the light and get on
them about calling people names, in the
very same message that you call me an
anti-Semite in and you just finished
attacking three people! Hello??? Duh?!?
And forgiveness - what do you think,
dear Reader, will Jesus forgive Judas?
Will he forgive the Nazis the murder
of so many Jews and other people
without their repentance?
And now you compare us to Nazi's.
And you compare us to Judas, who betrayed Christ
to the other Jews, who had Him crucified!
Does your disgusting, vile lack of morals know
no bounds, Vera?!
And do you want to know what's really disgusting?!
You call me an anti-Semite, because I said that it was
the Jews who betrayed Jesus, as Judas proved and
as John 19:12-16 proves and yet, here you are,
calling us Judas and saying how awful we are!
Furthermore, for you to compare us to Judas,
who handed over the Lord to those who had Him
crucified, is about as low as you could have gotten!
you are a sick woman! (:
Judas did not repent, but he became crazy
and committed suicide in the end - so dark
had his heart become.
Why don't you just admit the truth? By "repent",
you mean, "always agree with Vera, or leave".
And that is not an exaggeration, since that's
exactly what you told people to do!
Yes, I for my part would send Oldwetdog and
"Pastor" Dave off into the woods if I could -
and I would send this poster below right after them.
Thank you for proving my point for me! :)
And what did "Soggy" say? That you wanted us
out of this news group. And what did you just
finish saying? That you want us out of this
news group. So why do you attack him, claiming
that he is a liar, when you just proved through
your own words, that he is not?!
And do you know why? To save others from
the harm of running onto the Sectarian's trap.
More accusations, without any proof whatsoever.
You were saying something about "Nazi's"? (:
Be blessed richly,
That's a funny way to end such a harmful message!
And what's really funny, is when I or anyone else
says something that isn't loving, you're quick to
jump on us and yet, here you are, attacking like
a vicious wolf, which is where you and Randy
and your other pal ended up getting the name,
"Wolf Pack" from. And yet you speak of love
and walking in the light?! Please!
::: vera :::
Don't worry, we know which posts are yours, Vera.
As soon as we see how disgusting and vile the
thoughts expressed are, we know it's yours. No need
to look for a signature! Especially when we see all of
the disgusting and false accusations that you make
against people, constantly claiming that you proved
them and yet, all you do is accuse! You are disgusting!
And I think that everyone should spend 24 hours
straight, praying for you!
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--
Pastor Dave
People are so afraid to reject doctrine, that they just
don't give a damn what the Bible actually says! (:
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