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17 Dec 2007 10:31:26 PM |
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# THE PREDICTION FOR 2011 AD STANDS ! @ |
Like many attempts may be made to conquer a mountain the situation is
much the same in making the predictions of the end of the world.
We must use the best ingredients or parts in the our equipment . And
of course we may use some older parts from the previous equipment if
we deem them as helpful.
The fact that all the previous attempts at conquering the mountain
had failed does't not mean the next attempt will fail again. We should
not be discouraged but study the Bible more .
The prediction for the year 2011 AD is reliable as I was able to find
many more new elements that could enhance making the predictions.
The first thing you must bear in mind is how to prove the Holy
Writings were written for us just as they were for the ancient
peoples who lived up to the year 150 AD.
Can you prove ,for instance , the lettters by Paul to Corinthians are
also for our times we live ?
Going by very strict rules I would be able to defend this stand that
with the year 150 AD true christianity ended .
Matthew 24.1-31 I could explain it had found fulfillment in the times
up to the year 70 AD including.
Is a peculiar way to prove the Bible is for our times ?
We must prove the true christianity was revived and then we can assume
rightly we must be in the end time era.
Once we established we live in the end time era attempts at setting
up a date of the end of the world become something
additional .Especially now in the time when end time era has lasted
already for more than 120 years !
If people that play lotteries can so enthusiastically hope they will
win the jackpot and how they act knowing alone we are living in the
final years should send shocks through your body !
Even If I put the prediction as 10% reliable it should already cause a
stir in your mind. Compare the chances of winning a jackpot when it
may be like 1: 80 000 000 and most playing hope for a win to the
prediction I am giving 1:10 (or say it is like 1 : 1000 ) and what
should you do then ?
Don't forget to go back to my many previous posts dealing with the
subject of the end of the world .
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| User: "Gabriel" |
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| Title: Harold Camping - a false teacher (WAS: Re: # THE PREDICTION FOR 2011 AD STANDS ! @) |
17 Dec 2007 11:51:53 PM |
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On Mon, 17 Dec 2007 20:31:26 -0800 (PST), "OBVES@aol.com"
<OBVES@aol.com> wrote:
Like many attempts may be made to conquer a mountain the situation is
much the same in making the predictions of the end of the world.
We must use the best ingredients or parts in the our equipment . And
of course we may use some older parts from the previous equipment if
we deem them as helpful.
The fact that all the previous attempts at conquering the mountain
had failed does't not mean the next attempt will fail again. We should
not be discouraged but study the Bible more .
The prediction for the year 2011 AD is reliable as I was able to find
many more new elements that could enhance making the predictions.
The first thing you must bear in mind is how to prove the Holy
Writings were written for us just as they were for the ancient
peoples who lived up to the year 150 AD.
Can you prove ,for instance , the lettters by Paul to Corinthians are
also for our times we live ?
Going by very strict rules I would be able to defend this stand that
with the year 150 AD true christianity ended .
Matthew 24.1-31 I could explain it had found fulfillment in the times
up to the year 70 AD including.
Is a peculiar way to prove the Bible is for our times ?
We must prove the true christianity was revived and then we can assume
rightly we must be in the end time era.
Once we established we live in the end time era attempts at setting
up a date of the end of the world become something
additional .Especially now in the time when end time era has lasted
already for more than 120 years !
If people that play lotteries can so enthusiastically hope they will
win the jackpot and how they act knowing alone we are living in the
final years should send shocks through your body !
Even If I put the prediction as 10% reliable it should already cause a
stir in your mind. Compare the chances of winning a jackpot when it
may be like 1: 80 000 000 and most playing hope for a win to the
prediction I am giving 1:10 (or say it is like 1 : 1000 ) and what
should you do then ?
Don't forget to go back to my many previous posts dealing with the
subject of the end of the world .
Why are you being less than honest, OBVES? You continue to run
from the verses I quote that /clearly/ contradict all his
unbiblical doctrines. And instead, you keep resposting the same
false teachings as if repetition of such false things will
suddenly make them true.
Again, if you claim to know he's right, you should have no
problem addressing these bible verses that /clearly/ show he is
/wrong/.
So again, you continue to avoid the truth in a less than honest
manner. Still waiting for a response, as Harold just cuts people
off that try to bring up these verses on the air-waves:
Matthew 24:36 KJVR
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the
angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mark 13:32 KJVR
32 But of that day and that hour knoweth no man, no, not
the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the Father.
Does it say "of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the
angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but Harold Camping
and the poster OBVES"? No, it doesn't. It says no one but God
knows. So unless you want to claim you're God, you have no idea
when that day will come, and it's unbiblical teachings to say
otherwise.
Harold Camping is exceptionally
gifted preacher on radio and I see not single other preacher of the
nominal christianity coming close to him.
If you think "exceptionally" gifted means able to teach
unbiblical doctrines and fool people into thinking they're not,
then yes, I suppose that makes him gifted.
You conveniently ignored how the Bible refutes his unbiblical
doctrines in detail in the specific verses I referenced in the
last post. Instead, you ignore what the Bible says, and instead
merely offer an opinion that he's right (and that part of the
Bible must clearly be wrong). Sorry, but the Word of God comes
first before your opinion, and before his opinion, and before my
opinion. Here are the verses again. If you want to claim the
Bible is wrong, then show it. Because I'm showing you exactly
how the Bible shows you are both wrong.
Here's what you snipped:
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On Sat, 1 Dec 2007 13:49:59 -0800 (PST), "OBVES@aol.com"
<OBVES@aol.com> wrote:
If you know me as OBVES I am predicting the coming of the Messiah in
the year 2011 AD
And as you point out, Harold Camping is teaching unbiblical
doctrines. He needs to be removed from the airwaves and replaced
with a biblical teacher. But he owns it, does he not? So the
people in the background who know better realize he has got to be
removed from teaching these unbiblical doctrines.
[1] He teaches that God will only save those predestinated to be
saved, and no one else. Unbiblical:
Titus 2:11 KJVR For the grace of God that bringeth salvation
hath appeared to all men,
Does it say "hath appeared unto the elect". It doesn't say that.
Does it say "hath appeared to some men"? It doesn't say that. It
says the Grace that bringeth salvation "hath appeared to ALL
men".
2 Peter 3:9 KJVR The Lord is not slack concerning his promise,
as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not
willing that any should perish, but that all should come to
repentance.
Does it say "not willing that the elect should perish, but that
the elect should come to repentance"? It doesn't say that. Does
it say "not willing that some men should perish, that some men
should come to repentance"? It doesn't say that. It says "not
willing that ANY should perish, but that ALL should come to
repentance"
But Harold is teaching a doctrine of hopelessness. "If you
weren't predestinated to be saved, you're headed to hell NO
MATTER WHAT". How many people would have been saved if they had
only not heard this doctrine of hopelessness. His unbiblical
doctrine of hopelessness keeps them from repenting and calling on
Christ to save them from their sins, and so they end up in hell
because of this unbiblical teachings!
[2] He teaches that we can know when Christ will return.
Matthew 24:36 KJVR But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no,
not the angels of heaven, but my Father only.
Mark 13:32 KJVR But of that day and that hour knoweth no man,
no, not the angels which are in heaven, neither the Son, but the
Father.
Does it say "knoweth no man, no, not the angels which are in
heaven, neither the Son, but the Father and Harold Camping"? It
doesn't say that. It says *NO ONE KNOWS* Harold clearly puts
himself on a seating equal with God when even Christ didn't even
claim to know.
Harold made another heretical guess a few years back and was
wrong about that. So he changes his date. And when he's wrong
again, he'll change his date. And when he's wrong again, he'll
change his date. In the meantime, one has to wonder how much
evidence, besides the obvious in God's Word itself, listeners
have to put up with before realizing he is teaching unbiblical
doctrines.
[3] He teaches as of recently (as in November 2007) that there's
no literal hell, and instead "eternal damnation" means you miss
out on living eternally, and that's your eternal damnation. But
that we just permanently die. This is unbiblical.
Luke 16:22-31 KJVR And it came to pass, that the beggar died,
and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom: the rich man
also died, and was buried; 23 And in hell he lifted up his
eyes, being in torments, and seeth Abraham afar off, and Lazarus
in his bosom.
"And in hell .. being in torments"
24 And he cried and said, Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and
send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, and
cool my tongue; for I am tormented in this flame.
Could he talk if he was really dead? No. He is tormented.
25 But Abraham said, Son, remember that thou in thy lifetime
receivedst thy good things, and likewise Lazarus evil things: but
now he is comforted, and thou art tormented. 26 And beside all
this, between us and you there is a great gulf fixed: so that
they which would pass from hence to you cannot; neither can they
pass to us, that would come from thence.
Talking about a gulf between two places. And hell is one of those
places being referred to here.
27 Then he said, I pray thee therefore, father, that thou
wouldest send him to my father's house: 28 For I have five
brethren; that he may testify unto them, lest they also come into
this place of torment.
"come into this PLACE of torment". Literally talking about hell
again.
29 Abraham saith unto him, They have Moses and the prophets; let
them hear them. 30 And he said, Nay, father Abraham: but if one
went unto them from the dead, they will repent. 31 And he said
unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will
they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
No, hell is quite real, and it's more signs that Harold is now
teaching unbiblical doctrines and needs to be REMOVED from the
air, and replaced with a biblical teacher who's not going to
ignore the Word of God.
And finally Harold is teaching people to not go to church, that
the church age has ended. As you can already see, what he teaches
is unbiblical, and he is now also convincing people to stay away
from Church. Unbelievable.
He needs to be REMOVED from the air-waves.
using the peculiar methods of calculations based on
the Bible and I call it Theomathics to let you see a colossal
difference in calculation methods
If you claim to know when that day will be, you claim you're
equal with God and above Christ who also said He doesn't know.
Please get away from your unbiblical teachings and repent.
< ------- end of the part you sniped from the post
The next one is Hank
Hanegraaff from Christian Research Institute far behind. You don't
like Camping may be because he is explaining using the Bible it's time
to leave the church you belong to and he is predicting the end of
your religion in 2011 AD.
So you claim to know this about me how? You are not being
entirely honest by putting forth why you think *I* don't like
Camping's teachings. Is this how you try to discredit what the
Word of God says? By trying to draw conclusions about how I
think?
But since you seem to want to know what I think, I'll tell you: I
do not support any teachings that clearly contradict what the
Word of God says. It's that simple. If he was preaching what the
Word of God said, I'd be right behind him. He's not, and in more
way than one. His doctrine of hopelessness will keep people from
calling on Christ because according to Harold, it was already
determined before you were born if you're going to heaven or
hell. So why bother? And hence many will end up in hell because
of this unbiblical teaching! That sounds more like an outcome
satan is more interested in.
He sacrificed his profitable business to be a Bible teacher.
So because someone sacrifices a 'profitable' business, that means
it's ok to teach unbiblical doctrines?! Absolutely NOT!
Produce
better more interesting programs on the radio like he has :
the Family Bible Study and Open Forum.
So because unbiblical teachings are "interesting", that makes it
ok to teach those unbiblical doctrines?! Absolutely NOT!
You can call him and challenge
him on his live telephone program and see for yourself.
It's not a challenge. He's often just cut off people who start to
point out exactly what I've said. It's an open forum only for
those who agree with his heretical doctrines. He'll not address
what they said, not let them make a rebuttal, and instead after
clouding what they brought up, he'll end it with "But thank you
for calling and sharing. And let's take our next call, please.
Good evening, and welcome to open forum."
Now *you* can instead respond in detail to how I've pointed out
where the Bible shows his teachings are false. Or you can snip
them again and offer opinions and psychological analysis on why
you can ignore what the Word of God really says.
Hopefully you make the right choice. But to ignore the Word of
God makes it obvious where an individual is coming from, and it's
not God.
Matthew 12:30 KJVR
30 He that is not with me is against me; and he that
gathereth not with me scattereth abroad.
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