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30 Nov 2005 09:58:31 PM |
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@ WHO IS THIS JESUS ? @ |
This is might be the best reference in the Bible where
Jesus himself speaks about his Father as the only true
God- John 17.3
If that is true and it seems it is so , who is Jesus,then ?
He is called God , is he not ?
Yes ,he is called God but God Yahweh made Moses a God !
Exodus 7.1
Moses cannot be a false God simplyy because God Yahweh made him
a God. He cannot be a true God as well as Jesus called his Father
in heaven the only true God !
So what still remians ?
To call Moses a God figuratively !
The same with Jesus !
It would mean that through Moses people could exeperience God who
He is when they saw powerful miracles in Egypt to make them free.
It is Jesus - Yahshua - the adopted Son of God that God
his Father uses to free us from sins !
He must be ,then, a greater God than Moses and yet he cannot be
a God literally as there is only one true God and that true God
is the God of the Bible and the only true God forever.
There is one mediator between God and the people - the man
Jesus Christ ! - 1 Timothy 2.5
Not it was one mediator but there is and it was spoken after
Jesus had entered the heavens a long time before !
The man in heaven - Jesus Christ .
God is not a man and is always invisible for ever .
Jesus will be seen by his followers all of them .
OBVES
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| User: "cdum" |
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| Title: Re: @ WHO IS THIS JESUS ? @ |
01 Dec 2005 01:42:02 AM |
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<OBVES@aol.com> wrote in message news:1133409511.073890.14010@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
This is might be the best reference in the Bible where
Jesus himself speaks about his Father as the only true
God- John 17.3
If that is true and it seems it is so , who is Jesus,then ?
He is called God , is he not ?
Yes ,he is called God but God Yahweh made Moses a God !
Exodus 7.1
Moses cannot be a false God simplyy because God Yahweh made him
a God. He cannot be a true God as well as Jesus called his Father
in heaven the only true God !
So what still remians ?
To call Moses a God figuratively !
The same with Jesus !
It would mean that through Moses people could exeperience God who
He is when they saw powerful miracles in Egypt to make them free.
It is Jesus - Yahshua - the adopted Son of God that God
his Father uses to free us from sins !
He must be ,then, a greater God than Moses and yet he cannot be
a God literally as there is only one true God and that true God
is the God of the Bible and the only true God forever.
There is one mediator between God and the people - the man
Jesus Christ ! - 1 Timothy 2.5
Not it was one mediator but there is and it was spoken after
Jesus had entered the heavens a long time before !
The man in heaven - Jesus Christ .
God is not a man and is always invisible for ever .
Jesus will be seen by his followers all of them .
Jesus was God in the flesh, he was created a little lower then the angels to suffer death on the
cross.Heb.2:9.
Have you not read? we have two bodies, a earthly body and a heavenly body, when the flesh dies the
spirit goes back to our heavenly body where it came from, so was the case with Jesus.
God is not invisable, only his spirit is, the Holly Spirit.
When God said let us make man in our image he included himself. God bless
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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01 Dec 2005 02:08:52 PM |
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cdum wrote:
[SNIPALOT]
God is not invisable, only his spirit is, the Holly Spirit.
===>HOLLY: any of a genus (Ilex of the family Aquifoliaceae,
the holly family) of trees and shrubs; especially : either of two
(I. opaca of the eastern U.S. and I. aquifolium of Eurasia)
with spiny-margined evergreen leaves and usually red berries
often used for Christmas decorations
Are you referring to the Spirit of Christmas? ;-) -- L.
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| User: "surety" |
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01 Dec 2005 12:08:14 AM |
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(Joh 8:58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I AM.
It is not either /or. He is both. Fully God /fully man.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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01 Dec 2005 02:04:35 PM |
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surety wrote:
(Joh 8:58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I AM.
It is not either /or. He is both. Fully God /fully man.
===>You guys always neglect to point out that some WRITER
wrote that he said that.
Beside it being incomprehensible Greek and only vaguely implying
that his character was the YHWH that Moses was talking to, this
writer obviously is simply expressing his own religious views by
putting such words in the mouth of the character of his story.
Do you believe everything you read, or do you give such fiction
some thought? -- L.
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| User: "Your Name Here=Harvey" |
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02 Dec 2005 03:30:14 PM |
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In article <438F5753.E79760FC@Nothing_But_The.Truth>,
Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth says...
surety wrote:
(Joh 8:58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I AM.
It is not either /or. He is both. Fully God /fully man.
===>You guys always neglect to point out that some WRITER
wrote that he said that.
Beside it being incomprehensible Greek and only vaguely implying
that his character was the YHWH that Moses was talking to, this
writer obviously is simply expressing his own religious views by
putting such words in the mouth of the character of his story.
Do you believe everything you read, or do you give such fiction
some thought? -- L.
He does not even look at - what he is quoting. He is merely passing
on what was given to him. Rubbish in ----> Rubbish out.
The critical brain is not engaged at all, it is put on hold.
This is what Judaism, Christianity and Islam do --- make model
believers of their flock, such that they endlessly quote from their
respective 'holy text' which is actually unholy.
They are not spiritual teachings at all, but have been turned into
dogma and rhetoric as evidenced by their wording.
Harvey
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| User: "Fred Acquistapace" |
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01 Dec 2005 10:26:15 AM |
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surety wrote:
(Joh 8:58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I AM.
It is not either /or. He is both. Fully God /fully man.
People have been misreading this for centuries. If Jesus meant he was
around before Abraham, he would have said, "Before Abraham was, I was."
What he meant was, "Before Abraham was, I AM was." I AM was one of the
names by which some referred to God. Jesus didn't get here until long
after Abraham was dead and buried.
Fred Acquistapace
www.AllGodsAreLies.com
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| User: "one_called" |
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01 Dec 2005 06:31:57 PM |
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"Fred Acquistapace" <fred@ap.net> wrote in message
news:1133454375.686850.318380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
surety wrote:
(Joh 8:58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I AM.
It is not either /or. He is both. Fully God /fully man.
People have been misreading this for centuries. If Jesus meant he was
around before Abraham, he would have said, "Before Abraham was, I was."
What he meant was, "Before Abraham was, I AM was." I AM was one of the
names by which some referred to God. Jesus didn't get here until long
after Abraham was dead and buried.
Fred Acquistapace
www.AllGodsAreLies.com
Yahshua is stating here that He was in heaven as the Archangel[Chief,
Highest in rank] Michael[name means: Who is like God?... in the form of a
question] before Abraham ever existed.
G1510
am, have been, X it is I, was.
Dan 12:1 And at that time Michael<H4317>[Who is like God?] shall stand up,
the great ruler<H8269>[chief,head,lord,master] who stands<H5975>[be(over)
for the sons of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as
never was since there was a nation; until that time. And at that time your
people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the
book.
Yahshua (as Archangel Michael in heaven) had conditional life just like any
other angel depending upon obedience... when he allowed himself to be sent
to earth and fulfilled God's will...then God made him higher than the angels
by bestowing him with "immortality"...
Mat 28:18 And Yahshua came and spoke to them, saying, All authority is given
to Me in Heaven and on earth.
1Ti 6:15 For He in His own time will reveal who is the blessed and only
Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
1Ti 6:16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in light which cannot be
approached, whom no one of men have seen, nor can see; to whom be honor and
power everlasting. Amen.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has given to the Son
to have life within Himself
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| User: "" |
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03 Dec 2005 04:20:46 AM |
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On Thu, 1 Dec 2005 19:31:57 -0500, "one_called"
<jsrmorton@comcast.net> wrote:
"Fred Acquistapace" <fred@ap.net> wrote in message
news:1133454375.686850.318380@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
surety wrote:
(Joh 8:58) Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you,
Before Abraham was, I AM.
It is not either /or. He is both. Fully God /fully man.
People have been misreading this for centuries. If Jesus meant he was
around before Abraham, he would have said, "Before Abraham was, I was."
What he meant was, "Before Abraham was, I AM was." I AM was one of the
names by which some referred to God. Jesus didn't get here until long
after Abraham was dead and buried.
Fred Acquistapace
www.AllGodsAreLies.com
Yahshua is stating here that He was in heaven as the Archangel[Chief,
Highest in rank] Michael[name means: Who is like God?... in the form of a
question] before Abraham ever existed.
G1510
am, have been, X it is I, was.
Jesus is plainly saying that he was there in heaven before Abraham was
born, he was with God in heaven. I am is not a name he was using but
saying the truth I am before Abraham was born. He is NOT God.
EXODUS 3:14 I AM WHO I AM…. This speaks of God's glory.
God's glory means: All that He was, is and will always be. All
during the ages before and after the creation of the earth, and all
the ages of the universe, God Our Father, The Ancient One, who was and
is and is to come. Rev. 1:8
He is The Ever Present One in whatever Age that He would present
Himself in particular to mankind. This is God, I AM.
Jesus is NOT Michael either, He is THE Angel of The LORD all through
Scripture.
Michael: name meaning -
who is like God? The title given to one of the chief angels (Dan.
10:13), in this chapter Daniel saw and was spoken to by a man whose
description fits Jesus in Rev. 1:12-16, this person who was speaking
to Daniel said Michael "came to help me" in v13. And again he states
in v21 Michael is his support.
12:1 Michael had special charge of Israel as a nation.
He disputed with Satan (Jude 1:9) about the body of Moses.
He is also represented as waring against "that old serpent, called the
Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world" (Rev. 12:7-9).
Regards Marysia
www.fatherandsonministry.net
Dan 12:1 And at that time Michael<H4317>[Who is like God?] shall stand up,
the great ruler<H8269>[chief,head,lord,master] who stands<H5975>[be(over)
for the sons of your people. And there shall be a time of trouble, such as
never was since there was a nation; until that time. And at that time your
people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in the
book.
Yahshua (as Archangel Michael in heaven) had conditional life just like any
other angel depending upon obedience... when he allowed himself to be sent
to earth and fulfilled God's will...then God made him higher than the angels
by bestowing him with "immortality"...
Mat 28:18 And Yahshua came and spoke to them, saying, All authority is given
to Me in Heaven and on earth.
1Ti 6:15 For He in His own time will reveal who is the blessed and only
Potentate, the King of kings and Lord of lords,
1Ti 6:16 who alone has immortality, dwelling in light which cannot be
approached, whom no one of men have seen, nor can see; to whom be honor and
power everlasting. Amen.
Joh 5:26 For as the Father has life in Himself, so He has given to the Son
to have life within Himself
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| User: "" |
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03 Dec 2005 09:43:20 AM |
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Note that word angel comes from the Greek language
angelos and it means a messenger !
God's servants are all messengers
So it is extremely difficult here to know what type of angels we are
talking about , isn't it ?
Christ can be called Michael - the Chief Messenger.
which can also be the Chief Angel.
There is more to that .
If Christ existed before he became a man why it is implied in the
Bible that
" he is a man from heaven " - Hebrews 13.8-
He was ,is and will remain a man for ever !
He is in heaven now as a man !
There is one ( not there was ) mediator between God and people , the
man Jesus Christ - 1 Timothy 2.5
Hebrews 1.5:
For unto which angels said he at any time:
Thou art my Son ,this day I have begotten thee ? ...
So how he was an angel - a chief angel ?
This day is a period of time of 7000 years with God .
He became Son of God when he was conceived inthe womb of Mary-Luke
1.35
Read the Son of God came into existence through the Holy Spirit that
came upon Mary .
So how could this be Jesus was in existence before that ?
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| User: "Your Name Here=Harvey" |
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02 Dec 2005 03:24:28 PM |
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In article <1133409511.073890.14010@z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com>,
OBVES@aol.com says...
This is might be the best reference in the Bible where
Jesus himself speaks about his Father as the only true
God- John 17.3
If that is true and it seems it is so , who is Jesus,then ?
He is called God , is he not ?
Yes ,he is called God but God Yahweh made Moses a God !
Exodus 7.1
Moses cannot be a false God simplyy because God Yahweh made him
a God. He cannot be a true God as well as Jesus called his Father
in heaven the only true God !
So what still remians ?
To call Moses a God figuratively !
The same with Jesus !
It would mean that through Moses people could exeperience God who
He is when they saw powerful miracles in Egypt to make them free.
It is Jesus - Yahshua - the adopted Son of God that God
his Father uses to free us from sins !
He must be ,then, a greater God than Moses and yet he cannot be
a God literally as there is only one true God and that true God
is the God of the Bible and the only true God forever.
There is one mediator between God and the people - the man
Jesus Christ ! - 1 Timothy 2.5
Not it was one mediator but there is and it was spoken after
Jesus had entered the heavens a long time before !
The man in heaven - Jesus Christ .
God is not a man and is always invisible for ever .
Jesus will be seen by his followers all of them .
OBVES
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http://www.christianusenet.com
This is all crap, and that is politely speaking.
Jesus is a creation of the imagination for the Christians.
To create a myth for them to believe in.
The same for 'God'.
These only exist in the imagination.
Judaism, Christianity and Islam feed the people myths by which,
they (those churches/beliefs) have power over them, because they
(the clergy) are needed to explain the myth(s).
And you've basically fallen for it - the charade.
Because anything truthful - can be verified in one way or another,
via evidence. And even if the evidence is not available, there is
the coherency of logic and reason, within any information that
shows it is real information, and not merely dogma and rhetoric -
which you spew forth.
Religions give us rubbish. ie. Judaism, Christianity and Islam does.
This is not surprising because they have much - ie. MUCH in common
with one another. None of these religions are truthful or correct.
Harvey
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