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18 Mar 2005 10:55:11 AM |
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@ WILL GOD CHANGE THE WORLD IN A FEW DAYS ? @ |
It is sure one day He will do it .But by taking into account numerous
calculations based on the Bible I have a good reason to expect that cn
March ,25 ,2005.
I have reasons not to expect the change earlier .But when March ,25
comes I can expect the huge change in the world.
God doesn't give direct revelations any more like He was giving in
ancient times. Once the Bible was completed all direct revelations from
God ended and the miracles that He used to confirm His messages.
The Bible remains the same all the time and is infallable while our
search for the truth or understanding of the Bible can be long and we
can make mistakes in the process . Nevertheless our knowledge can
improve and be closer and closer to to the truth.
If God sent an angel to me with the message that on March,25,2005
the Messiah will come I would not need to calculate the day and would
be 100 % absolutely certain of that .
But what I was doing was a different story as I was trying in faith
to find out when the Messiah would come using my knowledge of the Bible
and making calculation based on the Scriptures.
I can strongly expect the coming of the Messiah on March,25,2005 but
it doesn't have to occur.
I am not expectig the coming of the Messiah today nor tomorrow but I
have good reasons it may happen on March,25,2005.
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| Title: Re: @ WILL GOD CHANGE THE WORLD IN A FEW DAYS ? @ |
18 Mar 2005 11:42:36 AM |
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<OBVES@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1111164911.843359.301280@l41g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
It is sure one day He will do it .But by taking into account numerous
calculations based on the Bible I have a good reason to expect that cn
March ,25 ,2005.
I have reasons not to expect the change earlier .But when March ,25
comes I can expect the huge change in the world.
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Are your bags packed and ready to go?
--
RC....
The JWs keep saying it (Armageddon) is imminent, just a matter of time,
only a matter of weeks or months from the predicted date: 1874(+40),
1878(+40), 1910,
1914, 1915, 1916, 1917, 1918, 1922, 1925, 1940, 1945, 1975, 1999/2000...
LATEST DATE: 2034 Come get your predictions and palm read by the GB!
Just one WRONG date after another - they're truly inspired by *GASP* demons!
"If he is a false prophet (like the GB), his prophecy will fail to come to
pass."
(Watchtower, 5/15/30).
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: @ WILL GOD CHANGE THE WORLD IN A FEW DAYS ? @ |
18 Mar 2005 04:22:49 PM |
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Did you hear about Harold Camping from the Family Radio ?
He was predicting the end for 1994 , The end had not happened and y yet
I have been listening to his Radio Open Forum later on and still do
very often . He is the best preacher on this earth on tv or radio
though I don't agree with all that he is preaching. Hie strong point is
the predictions of the end and he already has the next one fofor 2011.
Bible Students and Jehovah's are better as I see thier predictions
bbetter . It the fact they had built the predictions based on the Bible
tthat makes them great.They must be true belivers by the way they
ppredict the end of the world .And it is possible that one of the
predictions may come to pass.
A religion that doesn't predict the end of the world based on the
Bible is not true .This is one of the main requirements for a
denomination , sect,group to claim it is the true religion.
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| User: "" |
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18 Mar 2005 04:29:39 PM |
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Simply put,'
if a person ,claiming to be a grown-up Christian today , is not
interested in the end of the world , such person most likely will be
rejected by God.
So it is indipensible that both faiith in Christ and interest in the
end of the world stay together.
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| User: "RozenKrans" |
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| Title: Re: @ WILL GOD CHANGE THE WORLD IN A FEW DAYS ? @ |
18 Mar 2005 07:07:36 PM |
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<OBVES@aol.com> wrote in message
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Simply put,'
if a person ,claiming to be a grown-up Christian today , is not
interested in the end of the world , such person most likely will be
rejected by God.
$$ That's not in the bible. Where did you get that one from?
So it is indipensible that both faiith in Christ and interest in the
end of the world stay together.
$$ Only in your unhappy, dissatisfied mind OBVES. If you would get a life
you wouldn't be praying for the world to end as you do. You have nothing
else in your life to think about. :-(
--
RC.......
The JWs keep saying it (Armageddon) is imminent, just a matter of time,
only a matter of weeks or months from the predicted date: 1874(+40),
1878(+40), 1910,
1914, 1915, 1916, 1917, 1918, 1922, 1925, 1940, 1945, 1975, 1999/2000...
LATEST DATE: 2034 Come get your predictions and palm read by the GB!
Just one WRONG date after another - they're truly inspired by *GASP* demons!
"If he is a false prophet (like the GB), his prophecy will fail to come to
pass."
(Watchtower, 5/15/30).
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| User: "bob young" |
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19 Mar 2005 05:24:18 AM |
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"OBVES@aol.com" wrote:
Simply put,'
if a person ,claiming to be a grown-up Christian today , is not
interested in the end of the world , such person most likely will be
rejected by God.
So it is indipensible that both faiith in Christ and interest in the
end of the world stay together....
....which is more than we can say for your brain
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| User: "RozenKrans" |
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18 Mar 2005 07:05:14 PM |
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<OBVES@aol.com> wrote in message
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A religion that doesn't predict the end of the world based on the
Bible is not true .This is one of the main requirements for a
denomination , sect,group to claim it is the true religion.
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You can't predict the future from a book of myths, fables and a smattering
of history any more than you can from a crystal ball, tarot cards or tea
leaves in a teacup.
--
RC.......
All the JWs wish for is walking around the COUNTRYSIDE (never any towns
pictured in the WT rags) smiling like the village idiot and carrying
baskets of veggies and fruit with them. Also note they all live in suit
pants and dress shirts. The women live in housedresses of 1952 vintage.....
and they call that paradise? Any normal human being would rapidly be bored
to death looking at trees, grass, each other's ever smiling faces and eating
a vegetarian diet.
They'd soon be longing for a good book, a movie, a Mall or a steak
dinner..... (Carol)
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| User: "" |
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18 Mar 2005 08:38:11 PM |
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You can't predict the future from a book of myths, fables and a
smattering
of history any more than you can from a crystal ball, tarot cards or
tea
**
How come John the apostle knew that they will be a country ( the
USRR ) that would fit the description of the first beast in the Book of
Revelation 13 ?
Red beast ? Yes .The red was a national symbol of the Red Russia.
7 heads in the front of the beast running toward the west from the
srea in the east :
Exactly 7 republics in the period 1984-1991.
10 horns ? Exactly 10 communist countires joined together:
Poland , East Germany, Czechoslovakia, Rumania, Hungary, Bulgaira= 6
on one side and 4 on the other side:
China , North Korea, Mongolia, Vietnam..
Who knew that there will be Italy at the end time whose shape on tmap
or globe would be a shape of a lamb ?!
Or North America is in the shape of a woman when looked upside down -
when riding over the USRR from north side ?
Or the UN as an ornament on the breast of the woman ?
The Book of Revelation was written centuries ago ! It is impossible a
a mere man could know the end time political chart.
It must have been God of Israel !
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| User: "RozenKrans" |
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18 Mar 2005 10:23:28 PM |
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<OBVES@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1111199891.113064.292080@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
You can't predict the future from a book of myths, fables and a
smattering
of history any more than you can from a crystal ball, tarot cards or
tea
**
How come John the apostle knew that they will be a country ( the
USRR ) that would fit the description of the first beast in the Book of
Revelation 13 ?
## There is no mention of RUSSIA in the bible.
Red beast ? Yes .The red was a national symbol of the Red Russia.
7 heads in the front of the beast running toward the west from the
srea in the east :
Exactly 7 republics in the period 1984-1991.
## Yeah, right... and the Catholic Church was called the *****-Of-Babylon by
the JWs at one time. You need to give this nonsense up and get a LIFE
before it's too late for you! Do you ever think of anything else?
--
CR........
"Precision" <precision@Usenet.com> wrote:
I'm not an authorized distributor or reseller, neither have
I been licensed to collect funds and distribute their CD.
From: "le ténébreux" <prince.d'aquitaine@tour.abolie>
I still haven't worked out how they can claim information
revealed to them by God for the benefit of all mankind as their
intellectual property subject to their own distribution rules. :-P
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: @ WILL GOD CHANGE THE WORLD IN A FEW DAYS ? @ |
18 Mar 2005 08:49:09 PM |
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7 heads in the front of the beast running toward the west from the
srea in the east :
Exactly 7 republics in the period 1984-1991.
**
Find in the old Atlas :it must be 1984-1991
7 heads :
Estonia,Latvia,Lithuania,Belorussia, Ukraine, Moldavia and the
Kaliningrad region a part of the Russian Federation (republic) .
It says in the Revlation that the beast as a whole is the eight head
and one of the seven heads :
so we have two parts of the Russia as seperate units geographically
and it was exactly so and it is still now !
This is a powerful proof the Revelation was from God and that we are
in the end times and most people are heading for eternal destruction
..never to see a daylight again as they will not exist any more.
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| User: "AC" |
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19 Mar 2005 02:54:22 AM |
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On 18 Mar 2005 18:49:09 -0800,
OBVES@aol.com <OBVES@aol.com> wrote:
7 heads in the front of the beast running toward the west from the
srea in the east :
Exactly 7 republics in the period 1984-1991.
**
Find in the old Atlas :it must be 1984-1991
7 heads :
Estonia,Latvia,Lithuania,Belorussia, Ukraine, Moldavia and the
Kaliningrad region a part of the Russian Federation (republic) .
It says in the Revlation that the beast as a whole is the eight head
and one of the seven heads :
so we have two parts of the Russia as seperate units geographically
and it was exactly so and it is still now !
This is a powerful proof the Revelation was from God and that we are
in the end times and most people are heading for eternal destruction
.never to see a daylight again as they will not exist any more.
No, it's just pattern matching nonsense, like all Bible Code crapola. To
think that an infinite being would be so silly as to bury these kinds of
things is quite beyond me. I can't comprehend the kind of being that some
of you people worship.
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mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: @ WILL GOD CHANGE THE WORLD IN A FEW DAYS ? @ |
19 Mar 2005 11:58:24 AM |
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A person needs the spiritual insight to understand accurately these
things.
I came to such understanding and it is for me but I can share it with
others to let them know and may someone will agree with me.
Calculations lead me to believe that we are the end time generation.
Once I have a time layout I must fit in the signs that are in the
Bible.
Concerning the red beast it happened that I knew it long time ago
before I came up with 1984-1991.
If my memory is correct it was in the year 1973.
1991 was a symbolic end of the world as the USRR had a social system
that was a summary of all human systems a man can build. The failure of
the communism was a failure of every thing a man can do of himself.
There are no more systems left to a man to build . The whole history
of human systems was concluded - ended in 1991.
Since the thing started in 1914 - 1917 it is obvious that it was the
last-ditch attempt by Satan to prevent the coming of God's Kingdom to
the earth.
Note that the first Christians were living in communes and Satan
wanted to mimic this in our times and badly failed.
How good intentions of a man can be he will always fail finally . Only
God can fully satisfy mankind.
In the ancient Israel slaves were better off than ]slaves in other
nations.
Because Israel was under God's care.
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| User: "AC" |
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19 Mar 2005 01:04:55 PM |
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On 19 Mar 2005 09:58:24 -0800,
OBVES@aol.com <OBVES@aol.com> wrote:
A person needs the spiritual insight to understand accurately these
things.
I translate this as a person needs to assume his conclusions.
I came to such understanding and it is for me but I can share it with
others to let them know and may someone will agree with me.
Just because someone agrees with you doesn't mean you are both right.
Calculations lead me to believe that we are the end time generation.
Once I have a time layout I must fit in the signs that are in the
Bible.
It simply makes no sense to me at all that an all-powerful entity would
utilize numerology.
Concerning the red beast it happened that I knew it long time ago
before I came up with 1984-1991.
If my memory is correct it was in the year 1973.
1991 was a symbolic end of the world as the USRR had a social system
that was a summary of all human systems a man can build. The failure of
the communism was a failure of every thing a man can do of himself.
There are no more systems left to a man to build . The whole history
of human systems was concluded - ended in 1991.
Since the thing started in 1914 - 1917 it is obvious that it was the
last-ditch attempt by Satan to prevent the coming of God's Kingdom to
the earth.
Note that the first Christians were living in communes and Satan
wanted to mimic this in our times and badly failed.
How good intentions of a man can be he will always fail finally . Only
God can fully satisfy mankind.
In the ancient Israel slaves were better off than ]slaves in other
nations.
Because Israel was under God's care.
Please note that the above is utter rubbish. Oh that's right, I guess I
just don't have "spiritual insight".
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mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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19 Mar 2005 05:10:49 PM |
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"OBVES@aol.com" wrote:
Did you hear about Harold Camping from the Family Radio ?
He was predicting the end for 1994 ,
Saul/Paul of Tarsus predicted it will happen in his lifetime.
It did not, but people still believe his "gospel" in its various
forms.
Credulous people are ready to believe anything
that sounds good to them. -- L.
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| User: "AC" |
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18 Mar 2005 04:35:34 PM |
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On 18 Mar 2005 14:22:49 -0800,
OBVES@aol.com <OBVES@aol.com> wrote:
Did you hear about Harold Camping from the Family Radio ?
He was predicting the end for 1994 , The end had not happened and y yet
I have been listening to his Radio Open Forum later on and still do
very often . He is the best preacher on this earth on tv or radio
though I don't agree with all that he is preaching. Hie strong point is
the predictions of the end and he already has the next one fofor 2011.
If this is his strong point, I'd hate to think what his weak points are.
Bible Students and Jehovah's are better as I see thier predictions
bbetter . It the fact they had built the predictions based on the Bible
tthat makes them great.They must be true belivers by the way they
ppredict the end of the world .And it is possible that one of the
predictions may come to pass.
Lovely, the throw-enough-*****-at-the-wall-and-something-is-bound-to-stick
theory of prophesies. Let's be blunt. The JWs got it wrong too many times
that now, so I understand, they've stuck to a sufficiently nebulous schedule
that it oughtn't cause them any problems for the next decade or two.
A religion that doesn't predict the end of the world based on the
Bible is not true .This is one of the main requirements for a
denomination , sect,group to claim it is the true religion.
So the fact that the predictions are wrong should not be used to judge the
veracity of the claims? If I told you that you will win the lottery on the
19th of August, and it comes along and you don't, and then I say you'll win
it on the 2nd of September, and again it comes to pass, and finally I say
don't worry, you'll win on November 10, and it still goes without winnings,
at one point do you say "You know, I think you're full of it."
To think that a religion that doesn't teach the end of the world can be more
wrong than a religion that does and then consistently gets it wrong is such
a bit of Newthink that my poor brain simply cannot rap itself around the
idea.
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mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "" |
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18 Mar 2005 06:00:08 PM |
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, and again it comes to pass, and finally I say
don't worry, you'll win on November 10, and
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It is not " you will win " but you " you may win ".
Nobody without God's direct revelation - which ended abbout 2000 years
ago-can predict the end absolutely in 100%.
We can predict the end like we can predict the results of matches in
sports.
We can speak with certainty and yet subconsciously we know we can be
wrong.
You can say " see you tomorrow " and yet you can die today and that
somebody will not see you alive again.
So I am talking about high likelihood . It is a conviction that the
end may come March,25 not earlier and not between March,27- April
24,2005.
Saying some time in the future the world will end is easy and most
Christians could say that but to pinpoint the time is not easy. Oh yes
you can just say any date but I am talking about well-informed
predictions.,based on the Bible knowledge.
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| User: "AC" |
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18 Mar 2005 06:14:04 PM |
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On 18 Mar 2005 16:00:08 -0800,
OBVES@aol.com <OBVES@aol.com> wrote:
, and again it comes to pass, and finally I say
don't worry, you'll win on November 10, and
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It is not " you will win " but you " you may win ".
Nobody without God's direct revelation - which ended abbout 2000 years
ago-can predict the end absolutely in 100%.
We can predict the end like we can predict the results of matches in
sports.
We can speak with certainty and yet subconsciously we know we can be
wrong.
You can say " see you tomorrow " and yet you can die today and that
somebody will not see you alive again.
So I am talking about high likelihood . It is a conviction that the
end may come March,25 not earlier and not between March,27- April
24,2005.
Saying some time in the future the world will end is easy and most
Christians could say that but to pinpoint the time is not easy. Oh yes
you can just say any date but I am talking about well-informed
predictions.,based on the Bible knowledge.
You mean, just like every other Biblical doomsday cult claims they have
well-informed predictions. I'll make a prediction. The next predicted end
of the world claim will be shown to be wrong. Which prediction would you
care to lay money on?
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mightymartianca@hotmail.com
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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19 Mar 2005 10:47:16 AM |
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On 18 Mar 2005 14:22:49 -0800, after pondering deep
thoughts, "OBVES@aol.com" <OBVES@aol.com> spake thusly:
A religion that doesn't predict the end of the world based on the
Bible is not true .This is one of the main requirements for a
denomination , sect,group to claim it is the true religion.
I'm only going to say this once.
Son, get off the drugs.
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Pastor Dave Raymond
Silence in the Face of Doctrinal Criticism is Suicide
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99
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http://www.ecclesia.org/truth/solution.html
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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19 Mar 2005 05:07:54 PM |
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"OBVES@aol.com" wrote:
It is sure one day He will do it
===>NO!
The world is changing every minute of every day.
The COSMOS is FLUX: an eternal universe of changes!
But it does not require an "God" to do it, it has been changing
through eternity just by itself, thank you! -- L.
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