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Prior reference, with news reports from July, 2001
back to September, 1997:
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/science/black_holes.htm
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The Hitchhiker's Guide to Black Holes
http://www.astro.keele.ac.uk/workx/blackholes/index3.html
- - -
The Endless Universe - 2 of 3 (Black Holes)
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/endless_universe2_black_holes.htm
- - -
Black holes, a key to unlocking the entrapment of
the religiously infected into blind faith at a young and
vulnerable age? Well, take Genesis, add all the apol-
ogies and creationist blarney, toss in over 500 million
years of evolution -since- uni-cellular life evolved to
multi-cellular life, recall the super-eruption that almost
caused humankind to go extinct (~74,000 years ago,
Mt. Toba in Sumatra), and to all that add in black
holes and the black hole of nothingness in the chris-
tian bible regarding such matters, and what are you
left with?
The knowledge that the christian bible is a load of
myths absent any evidence whatsoever that the
aggregation of humans who cooked up the myths
had any clue of what the universe was all about
-or- had any contact with a supposed be-all end-
all of all who, you'd think, would've had an inkling
of at least some of what's contained in the follow-
ing and the above, and would've managed in some
manner to have included that in its panoply of
supposed 'holy word of god' stuff, in the judeo-
christian-islamic foundational documents.
But no, what do we have?
Evidence, the christian bible, creationists, the pre-
ceding documents, the documents which followed,
and all in the current day who buy into the so-called
ID or creationist mythos are clueless when it comes
to the way the universe came to be and the way we
have evolved to our current state of exploration and
adventure regarding an awesome and challenging
quest to know what all of this is all about and how it
all came to be.
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Details, from recent news reports (March, 2005 back
to September, 2001) follow ...
~~~ 2005 ~~~
Posted 03/15/2005 ...
Black Holes Influence Knowledge
Of The Universe
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/03/050310175413.htm
Black holes have a reputation for voraciously eat-
ing everything in their immediate neighborhood,
but these large gravity wells also affect electro-
magnetic radiation and may hinder our ability to
ever locate the center of the universe, according
to an international research team. ...
Posted 02/18/2005 ...
Simulations Show How Growing Black Holes
Regulate Galaxy Formation
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/02/050212090148.htm
Using a new computer model of galaxy formation,
researchers have shown that growing black holes
release a blast of energy that fundamentally regu-
lates galaxy evolution and black hole growth itself.
The model explains for the first time observed
phenomena and promises to deliver deeper in-
sights into our understanding of galaxy formation
and the role of black holes throughout cosmic his-
tory, according to its creators. ...
Posted 02/07/2005 ...
Astronomers Find Part Of Universe's
Missing Matter
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/02/050205074635.htm
Found: 7 percent of the mass of the universe. Mis-
sing since: 10 billion years ago. Consider one more
astronomical mystery solved. Scientists have located
a sizeable chunk of the universe that seemed to be
missing since back when the stars first formed. It's
floating in super-hot rivers of gas, invisible to the
naked eye, surrounding galaxies like our own. ...
Around 10 billion years ago, when half of the bary-
ons became stars and galaxies and lit up the sky,
the other half just seemed to disappear. This new
study shows that the missing baryons are still out
there ... they're just floating in gas that is too hot
to see with an optical telescope. The gas that sur-
rounds our galaxy, for example, is 100 times hotter
than the sun -- so hot that it shines in high-energy
X-rays instead of lower-energy visible light.
Posted 01/20/2005
Good News From Big Bad Black Holes
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050111090727.htm
Astronomers have discovered how ominous black
holes can create life in the form of new stars, prov-
ing that jet-induced star formation may have played
an important role in the formation of galaxies in the
early universe. ...
Posted 01/13/2005 ...
Going Beyond Einstein: Spacetime Wave
Orbits Black Hole
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050111114248.htm
.... This spacetime wave, if confirmed, would repre-
sent a new phenomenon that goes beyond Einstein's
general relativity. These observations confirm one
important theory about how a black hole's extreme
gravity can stretch light. The data also paint an in-
triguing image of how a spinning black hole can
drag the very fabric of space around with it, creat-
ing a choppy spacetime sea that distorts everything
falling into the black hole. ...
Posted 01/12/2005 ...
Chandra Finds Evidence For Swarm Of
Black Holes Near The Galactic Center
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050111114024.htm
A swarm of 10,000 or more black holes may be
orbiting the Milky Way's supermassive black hole,
according to new results from NASA's Chandra
X-ray Observatory. This would represent the high-
est concentration of black holes anywhere in the
Galaxy. These relatively small, stellar-mass black
holes, along with neutron stars, appear to have
migrated into the Galactic Center over the course
of several billion years. ...
Posted 01/06/2005 ...
Most Powerful Eruption In
The Universe Discovered
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/01/050106091317.htm
Astronomers have found the most powerful eruption
in the universe using NASA's Chandra X-ray Observ-
atory. A super massive black hole generated this erup-
tion by growing at a remarkable rate. This discovery
shows the enormous appetite of large black holes,
and the profound impact they have on their surround-
ings. ... The eruption, which has lasted for more than
100 million years, has generated energy equivalent to
hundreds of millions of gamma-ray bursts. ...
~~~ 2004 ~~~
Posted 11/23/2004 ...
Precocious Supermassive Black Holes
Challenge Theories
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/11/041123120035.htm
NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory has obtained
definitive evidence that a distant quasar formed less
than a billion years after the big bang contains a fully-
grown supermassive black hole generating energy at
the rate of twenty trillion suns. ... Since the Universe
is estimated to be 13.7 billion years old, we see the
quasar as it was a billion years after the big bang. ...
Posted 06/21/2004 ...
'Blazar' Illuminates Era When Stars
And Galaxies Formed
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/06/040621071851.htm
.... astrophysicists at Stanford report spotting a
black hole so massive that it's more than 10 billion
times the mass of our sun. More important, this
heavyweight is so far away that the scientists think
it formed when the universe first began to light up
with stars and galaxies, so it may provide a win-
dow into our cosmological origins. ...
Posted 06/01/2004 ...
Discovering Missing Black Holes: First Science
From A Virtual Observatory
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/05/040531213909.htm
A European team has used the Astrophysical Vir-
tual Observatory (AVO) to find 30 supermassive
black holes that had previously escaped detection
behind masking dust clouds. The identification of
this large population of long-sought 'hidden' black
holes is the first scientific discovery to emerge from
a Virtual Observatory. The result suggests that
astronomers may have underestimated the number
of powerful supermassive black holes by as much
as a factor of five. ...
Posted 02/05/2004 ...
New Study Shows How Black Holes Get
Their 'Kicks'
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2004/02/040204000541.htm
When black holes collide, look out! An enormous
burst of gravitational radiation results as they violently
merge into one massive black hole. The "kick" that
occurs during the collision could knock the black hole
clear out of its galaxy. A new study describes the con-
sequences of such an intergalactic collision. ...
~~~ 2003 ~~~
Posted 09/17/2003 ...
Was The Universe Born In A Black Hole?
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/09/030917072015.htm
The universe may have been created by an explo-
sion within a black hole, according to a new theory
....It's a mathematically plausible model which refines
the standard model of the Big Bang ...
Posted 09/10/2003 ...
Chandra X-ray Observatory "Hears"
A Black Hole For First Time
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/09/030910072317.htm
NASA's Chandra X-ray Observatory detected
sound waves, for the first time, from a super-
massive black hole. ... In musical terms, the pitch
of the sound generated by the black hole translates
into the note of B flat. But, a human would have
no chance of hearing this cosmic performance, be-
cause the note is 57 octaves lower than middle-C
(by comparison a typical piano contains only about
seven octaves). At a frequency over a million, billion
times deeper than the limits of human hearing, this is
the deepest note ever detected from an object in the
universe. ...
Posted 07/21/2003 ...
Black Holes And Galaxies -- Missing Link
Discovered In Our Own Cosmic Backyard
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/07/030721085424.htm
.... galaxies and extremely massive black holes
seem to grow together. ... scientists found that
the more rapidly the black hole was growing, the
faster the surrounding galaxy itself was growing
by forming new stars. 'Like the chicken and the
egg, neither black hole nor galaxy can be said to
come first -- each is necessary for the other'. ...
Posted 04/07/2003 ...
It's A Nova . It's A Supernova .
It's A HYPERNOVA
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/04/030407075127.htm
Two billion years ago, in a far-away galaxy, a
giant star exploded, releasing almost unbelievable
amounts of energy as it collapsed to a black hole.
The light from that explosion finally reached Earth
at 6:37 a.m. EST on March 29, igniting a frenzy
of activity among astronomers worldwide. This
phenomenon has been called a hypernova, playing
on the name of the supernova events that mark the
violent end of massive stars. ...
Posted 03/26/2003 ...
Doomed Matter Near Black Hole
Gets Second Lease On Life
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/03/030326073923.htm
Supermassive black holes, notorious for ripping
apart and swallowing stars, might also help seed
interstellar space with the elements necessary for
life, such as hydrogen, carbon, oxygen and iron,
scientists say. ...
Posted 03/20/2003 ...
Race To Gamma-Ray Burst Reveals
Gigantic Explosion, Death & Birth
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/03/030320075124.htm
Scientists arriving on the scene of a gamma-ray
burst just moments after the explosion, have wit-
nessed the death of a gigantic star and the birth
of something monstrous in its place, quite possibly
a brand new, spinning black hole. ... Gamma-ray
bursts shine hundreds of times brighter than a
supernova, or as bright as a million trillion suns.
The mysterious bursts are common, yet random
and fleeting. ...
Posted 02/21/2003 ...
Case For Massive Black Hole Strengthened
http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/02/030220082239.htm
UCLA astronomer Andrea Ghez announced
more than four years ago that a monstrous black
hole resides at the center of our Milky Way gal-
axy, 24,000 light years away, with a mass more
than 2 million times that of our sun. Some astro-
nomers greeted the announcement with skepti-
cism, and proposed exotic forms of matter as
alternatives. ... The case for the supermassive
black hole was strong before, and we have sub-
stantially improved it ... Now it's a 99.99 percent
certainty. We can rule out every alternative that
has been proposed ...
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| Title: Re: (1 of 4) Black Holes & God -- What's up with that? (March, 2005 back to February, 2003) |
26 Mar 2005 12:46:24 PM |
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"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <prohumanist@gr8mail.com> wrote in message news:<3akh6mF69l6fuU1@individual.net>...
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http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/science/black_holes2.htm
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- - -
Prior reference, with news reports from July, 2001
back to September, 1997:
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/science/black_holes.htm
- - -
The Hitchhiker's Guide to Black Holes
http://www.astro.keele.ac.uk/workx/blackholes/index3.html
- - -
The Endless Universe - 2 of 3 (Black Holes)
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/endless_universe2_black_holes.htm
- - -
Black holes, a key to unlocking the entrapment of
the religiously infected into blind faith at a young and
vulnerable age? Well, take Genesis, add all the apol-
ogies and creationist blarney, toss in over 500 million
years of evolution -since- uni-cellular life evolved to
multi-cellular life, recall the super-eruption that almost
caused humankind to go extinct (~74,000 years ago,
Mt. Toba in Sumatra), and to all that add in black
holes and the black hole of nothingness in the chris-
tian bible regarding such matters, and what are you
left with?
The knowledge that the christian bible is a load of
myths absent any evidence whatsoever that the
aggregation of humans who cooked up the myths
had any clue of what the universe was all about
-or- had any contact with a supposed be-all end-
all of all who, you'd think, would've had an inkling
of at least some of what's contained in the follow-
ing and the above, and would've managed in some
manner to have included that in its panoply of
supposed 'holy word of god' stuff, in the judeo-
christian-islamic foundational documents.
But no, what do we have?
Evidence, the christian bible, creationists, the pre-
ceding documents, the documents which followed,
and all in the current day who buy into the so-called
ID or creationist mythos are clueless when it comes
to the way the universe came to be and the way we
have evolved to our current state of exploration and
adventure regarding an awesome and challenging
quest to know what all of this is all about and how it
all came to be.
Are you still on that 'the Bible doesn't explain the universe in
quantum scientific terms, it is therefore false' kick?
Check this out:
"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the
inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"
(Isaiah 40:22)
You see, the books of the Bible were completed almost 2000 years ago,
some of them date back another 2000 years beyond that. Modern physics
and cosmology is well, modern. It's rather silly to look for a grasp
of modern science in ancient scriptures. The writers were inspired to
understand the truth, not to write it down in language on par with
early 21st century scientific journals. (Haven't I explained this
before?) Look at the above quote. Is the 'circle' the writer's way of
describing the sphere of the Earth, or the orbit?
"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the
earth upon nothing." (Job 26:7)
The writer here seems to be aware that Earth is suspended in space,
not floating in a sea of milk on the back of a giant turtle, or
whatever was commonly believed back then.
"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together
unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." (Genesis
1:9)
Now, we know that 'in the beginning' there was Pangaea, and 1
worldwide ocean.
"When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the
heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the
earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out
of his treasures." (Jeremiah 10:13)
Does this describe how water condensed out of the atmosphere?
"For he maketh small the drops of water: they pour down rain according
to the vapour thereof: Which the clouds do drop and distil upon man
abundantly." (Job 36:27-28)
and
"All the rivers run into the sea; yet the sea is not full; unto the
place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again." (Ecc.
1:7)
Water cycle. Basic science.
<snip fascinating references to black holes and such... the details of
such the good Lord in His wisdom left for us to discover ourselves.>
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: (1 of 4) Black Holes & God -- What's up with that? (March, 2005 backto February, 2003) |
26 Mar 2005 02:16:49 PM |
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HughBetcha wrote:
"Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" <prohumanist@gr8mail.com> wrote in message news:<3akh6mF69l6fuU1@individual.net>...
---
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/science/black_holes2.htm
---
- - -
Prior reference, with news reports from July, 2001
back to September, 1997:
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/science/black_holes.htm
- - -
The Hitchhiker's Guide to Black Holes
http://www.astro.keele.ac.uk/workx/blackholes/index3.html
- - -
The Endless Universe - 2 of 3 (Black Holes)
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman/endless_universe2_black_holes.htm
- - -
Black holes, a key to unlocking the entrapment of
the religiously infected into blind faith at a young and
vulnerable age? Well, take Genesis, add all the apol-
ogies and creationist blarney, toss in over 500 million
years of evolution -since- uni-cellular life evolved to
multi-cellular life, recall the super-eruption that almost
caused humankind to go extinct (~74,000 years ago,
Mt. Toba in Sumatra), and to all that add in black
holes and the black hole of nothingness in the chris-
tian bible regarding such matters, and what are you
left with?
The knowledge that the christian bible is a load of
myths absent any evidence whatsoever that the
aggregation of humans who cooked up the myths
had any clue of what the universe was all about
-or- had any contact with a supposed be-all end-
all of all who, you'd think, would've had an inkling
of at least some of what's contained in the follow-
ing and the above, and would've managed in some
manner to have included that in its panoply of
supposed 'holy word of god' stuff, in the judeo-
christian-islamic foundational documents.
But no, what do we have?
Evidence, the christian bible, creationists, the pre-
ceding documents, the documents which followed,
and all in the current day who buy into the so-called
ID or creationist mythos are clueless when it comes
to the way the universe came to be and the way we
have evolved to our current state of exploration and
adventure regarding an awesome and challenging
quest to know what all of this is all about and how it
all came to be.
Are you still on that 'the Bible doesn't explain the universe in
quantum scientific terms, it is therefore false' kick?
Check this out:
"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the
inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"
(Isaiah 40:22)
You see, the books of the Bible were completed almost 2000 years ago,
some of them date back another 2000 years beyond that. Modern physics
and cosmology is well, modern. It's rather silly to look for a grasp
of modern science in ancient scriptures. The writers were inspired to
understand the truth,
===>The writers were "inspired" by their own beliefs and motives to
write down their own ideas, opinions, speculations and fantasies.
The motive being mostly propaganda.
not to write it down in language on par with
early 21st century scientific journals. (Haven't I explained this
before?) Look at the above quote. Is the 'circle' the writer's way of
describing the sphere of the Earth, or the orbit?
===>A CIRCLE is a flat, two-dimensional figure, not the same
as a 3-D sphere.
"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the
earth upon nothing." (Job 26:7)
The writer here seems to be aware that Earth is suspended in space,
not floating in a sea of milk on the back of a giant turtle, or
whatever was commonly believed back then.
===>Sure, the writer may have pick up on some such ideas from
the Hellenic contact, but he follows up with "God" telling us that is all
wrong, that the Earth is fixed on solid foundation, etc.
Those who quote the above verse are usually unaware of
Job 38.
"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together
unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." (Genesis
1:9)
Now, we know that 'in the beginning' there was Pangaea, and 1
worldwide ocean.
===>There were still rivers and lakes, all the water was never
in "one place".
"When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the
heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the
earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out
of his treasures." (Jeremiah 10:13)
Does this describe how water condensed out of the atmosphere?
===>No.
What "multitude of waters in the heavens"???
Rain is not produced by lightening, and the wind
does not reside in some caves.
"For he maketh small the drops of water: they pour down rain according
to the vapour thereof: Which the clouds do drop and distil upon man
abundantly." (Job 36:27-28)
===>But "GOD" rebukes him, saying he is talking falsehoods!
(Job 38).
and
"All the rivers run into the sea;
===>Not all!
Lots of rivers run into other rivers, or lakes.
yet the sea is not full;
===>The sea is always full.
unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again." (Ecc. 1:7)
===>No, they don't.
There is not a single river that flows back to itself.
Water cycle. Basic science.
===>You are reading things into it that are not there. -- L.
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| User: "HughBetcha" |
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| Title: Re: (1 of 4) Black Holes & God -- What's up with that? (March, 2005 back to February, 2003) |
27 Mar 2005 04:27:29 AM |
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Are you still on that 'the Bible doesn't explain the universe in
quantum scientific terms, it is therefore false' kick?
Check this out:
"It is he that sitteth upon the circle of the earth, and the
inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers; that stretcheth out the
heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in:"
(Isaiah 40:22)
You see, the books of the Bible were completed almost 2000 years ago,
some of them date back another 2000 years beyond that. Modern physics
and cosmology is well, modern. It's rather silly to look for a grasp
of modern science in ancient scriptures. The writers were inspired to
understand the truth,
===>The writers were "inspired" by their own beliefs and motives to
write down their own ideas, opinions, speculations and fantasies.
The motive being mostly propaganda.
not to write it down in language on par with
early 21st century scientific journals. (Haven't I explained this
before?) Look at the above quote. Is the 'circle' the writer's way of
describing the sphere of the Earth, or the orbit?
===>A CIRCLE is a flat, two-dimensional figure, not the same
as a 3-D sphere.
"He stretcheth out the north over the empty place, and hangeth the
earth upon nothing." (Job 26:7)
The writer here seems to be aware that Earth is suspended in space,
not floating in a sea of milk on the back of a giant turtle, or
whatever was commonly believed back then.
===>Sure, the writer may have pick up on some such ideas from
the Hellenic contact, but he follows up with "God" telling us that is all
wrong, that the Earth is fixed on solid foundation, etc.
Those who quote the above verse are usually unaware of
Job 38.
"And God said, Let the waters under the heaven be gathered together
unto one place, and let the dry land appear: and it was so." (Genesis
1:9)
Now, we know that 'in the beginning' there was Pangaea, and 1
worldwide ocean.
===>There were still rivers and lakes, all the water was never
in "one place".
"When he uttereth his voice, there is a multitude of waters in the
heavens, and he causeth the vapours to ascend from the ends of the
earth; he maketh lightnings with rain, and bringeth forth the wind out
of his treasures." (Jeremiah 10:13)
Does this describe how water condensed out of the atmosphere?
===>No.
What "multitude of waters in the heavens"???
Rain is not produced by lightening, and the wind
does not reside in some caves.
"For he maketh small the drops of water: they pour down rain according
to the vapour thereof: Which the clouds do drop and distil upon man
abundantly." (Job 36:27-28)
===>But "GOD" rebukes him, saying he is talking falsehoods!
(Job 38).
and
"All the rivers run into the sea;
===>Not all!
Lots of rivers run into other rivers, or lakes.
yet the sea is not full;
===>The sea is always full.
unto the place from whence the rivers come, thither they return again." (Ecc. 1:7)
===>No, they don't.
There is not a single river that flows back to itself.
Water cycle. Basic science.
===>You are reading things into it that are not there. -- L.
Okay, you win, the Bible is not a very good reference text for
astrophysics, cosmology, geology, etc. But, let's suppose it was, and
that Moses was somehow 'plugged' directly into God's omniscient
knowledge, and explained black holes in every minute detail. Would
that make PHFL and yourself happy? Never mind that modern scientists
could not even begin to grasp the complexity of the concepts and the
mathematics involved, or the sheer insanity of Moses writing something
down that would not be understood for over 5000 years, or that black
holes are completly and utterly irrelevant to the message and purpose
of the Bible... are you grasping this? Are you going to tell me next
that the Buddha was a moron because nowhere in the Suttas does he
explain the quantum law of gravity? If I was God, I'd be aghast at
your audacity! Imagine, He went through all the trouble to give us a
massive brain and opposable thumbs, and all you can do is sit around
and whine because all the answers haven't been already given to you!
Now look what you did! You got me ranting! Like I haven't got better
things to do!
H.
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