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"Pope-About-Town" |
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11 Dec 2006 06:18:54 PM |
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2nd pastor resigns over gay sex scandal |
2nd pastor resigns over gay sex scandal
Mon Dec 11, 2:51 PM ET
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. - The founding pastor of a second Colorado church has
resigned over gay sex allegations, just weeks after the evangelical
community was shaken by the scandal surrounding megachurch leader Ted
Haggard.
Haggard, a gay-marriage opponent, admitted to unspecified "sexual
immorality" when he resigned last month as president of the National
Association of Evangelicals and pastor of the 14,000-member New Life
Church
in Colorado Springs. A male prostitute had said he had had sex with
Haggard
for three years.
On Sunday, Paul Barnes, founding pastor of the 2,100-member Grace
Chapel in
this Denver suburb, told his evangelical congregation in a videotaped
message he had had sexual relations with other men and was stepping
down.
Dave Palmer, associate pastor of Grace Chapel, told The Denver Post
that
Barnes confessed to him after the church received a call last week.
The church board of elders accepted Barnes' resignation on Thursday.
On the videotape, which The Post was allowed to view, Barnes told
church
members: "I have struggled with homosexuality since I was a 5-year-old
boy.
.... I can't tell you the number of nights I have cried myself to sleep,
begging God to take this away."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061211/ap_on_re_us/pastor_gay_sex_1
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| User: "Samuel W. Heywood" |
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| Title: Re: 2nd pastor resigns over gay sex scandal |
12 Dec 2006 06:49:36 PM |
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On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Pope-About-Town wrote:
2nd pastor resigns over gay sex scandal
Mon Dec 11, 2:51 PM ET
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. - The founding pastor of a second Colorado church has
resigned over gay sex allegations, just weeks after the evangelical
community was shaken by the scandal surrounding megachurch leader Ted
Haggard.
Haggard, a gay-marriage opponent, admitted to unspecified "sexual
immorality" when he resigned last month as president of the National
Association of Evangelicals and pastor of the 14,000-member New Life
Church in Colorado Springs. A male prostitute had said he had had sex
with Haggard for three years.
<snip>
The thing that really pisses me off about all the priests and
ministers and politicians who claim and pretend to be such
outspoken opponents of gay sex is that they are turning up
being discovered as imposters and queers themselves and making
the true and bona-fide and honest and legitimate opponents of
gay sex to become regarded with suspicion of being hypocrites
and closet cases just like the imposters.
Sam Heywood
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: 2nd pastor resigns over gay sex scandal |
12 Dec 2006 09:42:36 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:49:36 -0500, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Pope-About-Town wrote:
2nd pastor resigns over gay sex scandal
Mon Dec 11, 2:51 PM ET
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. - The founding pastor of a second Colorado church has
resigned over gay sex allegations, just weeks after the evangelical
community was shaken by the scandal surrounding megachurch leader Ted
Haggard.
Haggard, a gay-marriage opponent, admitted to unspecified "sexual
immorality" when he resigned last month as president of the National
Association of Evangelicals and pastor of the 14,000-member New Life
Church in Colorado Springs. A male prostitute had said he had had sex
with Haggard for three years.
<snip>
The thing that really pisses me off about all the priests and
ministers and politicians who claim and pretend to be such
outspoken opponents of gay sex is that they are turning up
being discovered as imposters and queers themselves and making
the true and bona-fide and honest and legitimate opponents of
gay sex to become regarded with suspicion of being hypocrites
and closet cases just like the imposters.
Why is that a bad thing? I actually feel sorry for the guy who is
obviously a victim of your so called "legitimate opponents of gay sex"
himself. Consensual sex is a matter of privacy. Being gay or not is
not a matter of choice. There is no legitimacy in being opponents of
gay sex. It's bigotry.
Sam Heywood
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| User: "Samuel W. Heywood" |
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| Title: Re: 2nd pastor resigns over gay sex scandal |
12 Dec 2006 09:53:50 PM |
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On Tue, 12 Dec 2006, Eric Brze wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:49:36 -0500, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Pope-About-Town wrote:
2nd pastor resigns over gay sex scandal
Mon Dec 11, 2:51 PM ET
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. - The founding pastor of a second Colorado church has
resigned over gay sex allegations, just weeks after the evangelical
community was shaken by the scandal surrounding megachurch leader Ted
Haggard.
Haggard, a gay-marriage opponent, admitted to unspecified "sexual
immorality" when he resigned last month as president of the National
Association of Evangelicals and pastor of the 14,000-member New Life
Church in Colorado Springs. A male prostitute had said he had had sex
with Haggard for three years.
<snip>
The thing that really pisses me off about all the priests and
ministers and politicians who claim and pretend to be such
outspoken opponents of gay sex is that they are turning up
being discovered as imposters and queers themselves and making
the true and bona-fide and honest and legitimate opponents of
gay sex to become regarded with suspicion of being hypocrites
and closet cases just like the imposters.
Why is that a bad thing?
Because it is a most outrageous hypocrisy. They preach against
homosexuality and they sponsor the passage of anti-gay laws, and
yet they are homos themselves.
I actually feel sorry for the guy who is
obviously a victim of your so called "legitimate opponents of gay sex"
himself. Consensual sex is a matter of privacy. Being gay or not is
not a matter of choice. There is no legitimacy in being opponents of
gay sex. It's bigotry.
That is just your opinion that it is not a matter of choice. And I
will leave it at that. I don't want to get into any debates about
that subject because I have already had my say on all that in these
newsgroups.
Sam Heywood
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| User: "Eric Brze" |
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| Title: Re: 2nd pastor resigns over gay sex scandal |
13 Dec 2006 02:38:55 AM |
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On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 22:53:50 -0500, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006, Eric Brze wrote:
On Tue, 12 Dec 2006 19:49:36 -0500, "Samuel W. Heywood"
<sheywood@MyRealBox.com> wrote:
On Mon, 11 Dec 2006, Pope-About-Town wrote:
2nd pastor resigns over gay sex scandal
Mon Dec 11, 2:51 PM ET
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. - The founding pastor of a second Colorado church has
resigned over gay sex allegations, just weeks after the evangelical
community was shaken by the scandal surrounding megachurch leader Ted
Haggard.
Haggard, a gay-marriage opponent, admitted to unspecified "sexual
immorality" when he resigned last month as president of the National
Association of Evangelicals and pastor of the 14,000-member New Life
Church in Colorado Springs. A male prostitute had said he had had sex
with Haggard for three years.
<snip>
The thing that really pisses me off about all the priests and
ministers and politicians who claim and pretend to be such
outspoken opponents of gay sex is that they are turning up
being discovered as imposters and queers themselves and making
the true and bona-fide and honest and legitimate opponents of
gay sex to become regarded with suspicion of being hypocrites
and closet cases just like the imposters.
Why is that a bad thing?
Because it is a most outrageous hypocrisy. They preach against
homosexuality and they sponsor the passage of anti-gay laws, and
yet they are homos themselves.
I recognize such irony, but I don't consider it a bad thing. It's the
perfect symbolization of the corrupted Christian Church today.
I actually feel sorry for the guy who is
obviously a victim of your so called "legitimate opponents of gay sex"
himself. Consensual sex is a matter of privacy. Being gay or not is
not a matter of choice. There is no legitimacy in being opponents of
gay sex. It's bigotry.
That is just your opinion that it is not a matter of choice. And I
will leave it at that. I don't want to get into any debates about
that subject because I have already had my say on all that in these
newsgroups.
Therefore, you have no argument regarding what I said. You have no
justification for those opponents of gay sex other than outright
bigotry.
Sam Heywood
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| User: "Merlin" |
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| Title: Re: 2nd pastor resigns over gay sex scandal |
12 Dec 2006 10:12:01 AM |
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what a sad story, that people are taught to hate themselves by other
christains, the story of a five year old boy crying over his sexaulity
is bizar don't you think?
what age are christians forcing children to proclaim their orientation
when a five year old is crying it's eyes out over it's perceieved
sexuality at FIVE!
come up to love and god and stop torturing children with sex. stop
forcing children to decide their orientation. who is forcing all these
children to decide what sex they are at such a young age? most people
don't know until they are well in the 20's some don't know till they
are fifty years old.
think for a moment, what chritains among us are abusing children with
sexual orientation commitment ceremonies?
in love,
merlin
and yes merlin will continue to ask, who among us is not telling us the
truth? who else must lie to christians to make christians believe in
jesus?
Pope-About-Town wrote:
2nd pastor resigns over gay sex scandal
Mon Dec 11, 2:51 PM ET
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. - The founding pastor of a second Colorado church has
resigned over gay sex allegations, just weeks after the evangelical
community was shaken by the scandal surrounding megachurch leader Ted
Haggard.
Haggard, a gay-marriage opponent, admitted to unspecified "sexual
immorality" when he resigned last month as president of the National
Association of Evangelicals and pastor of the 14,000-member New Life
Church
in Colorado Springs. A male prostitute had said he had had sex with
Haggard
for three years.
On Sunday, Paul Barnes, founding pastor of the 2,100-member Grace
Chapel in
this Denver suburb, told his evangelical congregation in a videotaped
message he had had sexual relations with other men and was stepping
down.
Dave Palmer, associate pastor of Grace Chapel, told The Denver Post
that
Barnes confessed to him after the church received a call last week.
The church board of elders accepted Barnes' resignation on Thursday.
On the videotape, which The Post was allowed to view, Barnes told
church
members: "I have struggled with homosexuality since I was a 5-year-old
boy.
... I can't tell you the number of nights I have cried myself to sleep,
begging God to take this away."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061211/ap_on_re_us/pastor_gay_sex_1
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| User: "AcesLucky" |
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| Title: Re: 2nd pastor resigns over gay sex scandal |
12 Dec 2006 05:12:10 PM |
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Merlin wrote:
what a sad story, that people are taught to hate themselves by other
christains, the story of a five year old boy crying over his sexaulity
is bizar don't you think?
what age are christians forcing children to proclaim their orientation
when a five year old is crying it's eyes out over it's perceieved
sexuality at FIVE!
come up to love and god and stop torturing children with sex. stop
forcing children to decide their orientation. who is forcing all these
children to decide what sex they are at such a young age? most people
don't know until they are well in the 20's some don't know till they
are fifty years old.
think for a moment, what chritains among us are abusing children with
sexual orientation commitment ceremonies?
in love,
merlin
and yes merlin will continue to ask, who among us is not telling us the
truth? who else must lie to christians to make christians believe in
jesus?
I would have to agree. It's getting absurd.
Pope-About-Town wrote:
2nd pastor resigns over gay sex scandal
Mon Dec 11, 2:51 PM ET
ENGLEWOOD, Colo. - The founding pastor of a second Colorado church has
resigned over gay sex allegations, just weeks after the evangelical
community was shaken by the scandal surrounding megachurch leader Ted
Haggard.
Haggard, a gay-marriage opponent, admitted to unspecified "sexual
immorality" when he resigned last month as president of the National
Association of Evangelicals and pastor of the 14,000-member New Life
Church
in Colorado Springs. A male prostitute had said he had had sex with
Haggard
for three years.
On Sunday, Paul Barnes, founding pastor of the 2,100-member Grace
Chapel in
this Denver suburb, told his evangelical congregation in a videotaped
message he had had sexual relations with other men and was stepping
down.
Dave Palmer, associate pastor of Grace Chapel, told The Denver Post
that
Barnes confessed to him after the church received a call last week.
The church board of elders accepted Barnes' resignation on Thursday.
On the videotape, which The Post was allowed to view, Barnes told
church
members: "I have struggled with homosexuality since I was a 5-year-old
boy.
... I can't tell you the number of nights I have cried myself to sleep,
begging God to take this away."
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061211/ap_on_re_us/pastor_gay_sex_1
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