RainbowChristiannohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk (Ninure Saunders) wrote in message news:<RainbowChristiannohate-1008040720360001@h-69-3-218-231.chcgilgm.dynamic.covad.net>...

In article <pudfh0dq3npro33d31m3ki4hkdmv0ihrbc@4ax.com>, -Hector-
<Melitus@Dithryrambic.net> wrote:

-On Mon, 09 Aug 2004 16:50:04 GMT,
-RainbowChristiannohate@Rainbow-Christian.tk (Ninure Saunders) wrote:
-
->A Challence
->
->Here¹s a challenge, promarily directed towards those ³christian² posters
->who spend so much time ³standing against sin² and/or letting the worlf
->know who is and isn¹t a ³real² christian.
->
->Your audience has never heard of Jesus, have never ever heard of the
->Bible, have no acess to the Bible.
->

If they have never heard of Jesus or the God of Israel, you
start at the Beginning, Genesis, and work your way through
explaining how it was all leading up to the coming Messiah.
Once you have that in place, then you can explain to them
Jesus Christ and his death on the cross.

->You, yourself, have no acess to a Bible..
->

Without a Bible, it is impossible, I need at least Genesis,
Isaiah, and the Gospel of John. I could preach a pretty good
Gospel message from Genesis, but it would be somewhat less
satisfying.

->Explain now, what the Gospel of Jesus Christ is.
->

You cannot explain the Gospel of Christ in 50 words or
less. Paul spent years at each church explaining the Gospel,
and even then he did not want to leave because he wanted
to teach them more. This is why Christian converts don't
last, you need to be a disciple, and spend your life studying.

->Explain why YOU are a Christian.
->

I am a Christian because as Paul said the evidence of creation
is obvious. I was under deep conviction and condemnation, and
Jesus has set me free of the condemnation. I now can sin, but
it is a choice. I no longer have to sin, I have the ability
to not sin. I am free from the slavery of sin. I now realise
that Satan has a big shadow, but that is about it. Satan is
a pib-squeak that Michael the Arch angel will cast out of Heaven.
It does not require the strength of God to defeat satan for
Michael has defeated him easily, and will defeat him at the start
of the Tribulation. Satan is a created being, and no match for
God.

I wish I could proclaim sinless perfection, but it is a daily
battle, which is why we are to pick our cross, deny ourselves,
and follow Him daily.

->Explain why they should believe what YOU are telling them.
->

They should not just take my word for it. They should see for
themselves. God is willing to reveal himself to anyone who is
honestly seeking. Taste and see if the Lord is good.

->Keep in mind, before you do the usual ³"argumentum ad hominem", please
->keep in mind that this is a world-wide forum and that there surely many
->³lurkers² may have never heard the ³Gospel²....
->
->Can you answer the challenge?

No, because you set this up as a self serving ploy to
justify yourself when no one can. Would you ask a physics
teacher to teach a physics class without a textbook?

You just want to say, "AHA! You're not a real Christian, because
you cannot work with the stupid strawman that I have setup."
I recommned you read this:

http://www.crosstalk.org/articles/jewish_rel/christian-apostles.shtml

You make a false assumption that Paul et al had no Bible,
because you fall into the fallacy that the New Testament is
all there is. Sorry, but Jesus quoted from Deuteronomy more
than any other.

And he said unto him, If they hear not Moses and the prophets,
neither will they be persuaded, though one rose from the dead.
Luke 16:31

What this says is, If you will not be converted by the Old
Testament, then the greatest miracle that I could perform is
useless. If you will not follow the "rules", you have no hope.
This is possibly the most depressing verse in the Bible for
me. It does not matter what you do for some people just aren't going
to listen.

Here is a gospel message summary in 4 verses.
Deuteronomy 6:5, Leviticus 19:18, Genesis 15:6, Habakkuk 2:4

->
-
- If one has no access to God's Word, then it would be
-impossible to explain anything about God or the Gospel of Jesus
-Christ;

So how do you imagine that the early Christiansm who had no access to the
Bible, seeing as how much of the NT was not yet written, became
Christians, or persauded others to be Christian?

They had scrolls of the Old Testament. That is the problem: we have
a bunch of "New Testament only" half baked Christians that have
replaced

I have victory over sin through Jesus

with

I have permission to sin through Jesus.

Paul went around reading Isaiah to people, and then told them how Jesus
fullfilled the prophecies if it was a Jewish crowd. If they were complete
pagans, He started in Genesis. Of course a lot of people mocked Paul, and
one town stoned him, etc.

-
-Amos 8:11 "Behold, days are coming," declares the Lord GOD,
-"When I will send a famine on the land,
-Not a famine for bread or a thirst for water,
-But rather for hearing the words of the LORD.
-8:12 "People will stagger from sea to sea
-And from the north even to the east;
-They will go to and fro to seek the word of the LORD,
-But they will not find it.


Do you really thing this passage is referring to a BOOK?

It is in the sense that the Bible will be hard to find. I
see the new versions such as The Message, NIV, and others
as "paraphrase" (i.e. a man's opinion of what it said) not
really the Word of God. In the future you will be hard pressed
to find a real Bible like Young's Literal Translation. I have
an old KJV that the cover has literally fallen off of that I
will never part with willingly.

Also this means that men will stop preaching God's word, and
start telling people what they want to hear. Paul tells Timothy
that men will not endure sound doctrine, but will seek teachers
to tickle their ears. That is pretty much a description of TBN.

It is sad, that you feel that you cannot explain why YOU are a
Christian...or expalin what the Gospel of Jesus is, without access to a
Book.

Do you mean to say that Christ does not live in you, and/or that you have
not been given the Holt Spirit to Guide you as Jesus promised?

The rainbow was a convent between Noah, and God that He would
not destroy the word by flood again. God said that it would
be like the days of Noah, and Sodom and Gomorrah. It is odd that
the ones who are heralding the future judgment of God would take
the symbol of that past judgment. I guess God has a sense of humor
or you do not fear God at all.

Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian

I know that the God of Israel is the one true God, and I beleive
the Bible, but I find it painfully depressing. Even God sitting
in Heaven has to beg people to go to Heaven. How stupid can we be?
Oh I would rather sit in the burning house, and continue with
some mild pleasure than run out of the house to God. You are the
epitome of stupidity. Why are you posting here? Is it just to
make people angry? God is love, but He is also one who keeps His
word. Repent. God has promised to judge those who say, "I have no
sin". Confess your sin to God, and repent.

The Lord is not my Shepherd because He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk

Homosexuality is an abomination to God, because God has to suffer
with you as you die. The suffering that you will feel, so will,
and did, Christ when He became your sin.