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User: "Adeon"
Date: 16 Feb 2004 10:16:47 PM
Object: A challenge for Christians
Hello all..
I would like to post some information, you may believe it to simply be an
opinion, but read carefully. And try to understand the implications that are
presented.
Firstly you have a reality unique to yourself. How you perceive the world is
totally different to every other person in existence. You migrate toward
peoples, cultures & ethnic groups who see the world in a like manner to you.
This is society.
Often conflicts arise when two groups do not see the same reality. What one
calls white, the other calls black and so forth. Some go so far as to create
conflicts because of these differences in view. Such conflicts arise out of
arrogance and ignorance.
Many people cannot handle the simple truth that they do not have all the
answers. They cling desperately to a reality they call the universal truth.
Their way or NO WAY. Much religion stems from this school of thought, which
translates into Dogma. Again, symptoms of arrogance and ignorance abound. To
challenge ones religion, or social concept with a new idea is tantamount to
heresy, as this is a challenge to this person accepted reality. This is a
challenge to their very soul. Such transformation can create a ignorant babe
out of the most learned scholar.
LIFE is a challenge. Challenges bring success or failure. And sometimes
success in a challenge comes only realizing the failure and visa versa. This
is called learning. When we cease to learn, by closing our eyes and minds to
other people concepts of truth and reality, we enter the mind of arrogance
and ignorance. We become even more stupid than an animal. This is the seed
of true evil, degeneration and NON growth.
Imagine a world history where cultures, countries and nations did not fight
with each other but instead, shared their ideas and understanding in mutual
respect for one and other. From Chinese ancient wisdom, to Mayan knowledge
of Time and Space. To Australian Native aboriginal understanding of the
dream time to native American Indian understanding of earth harmony, Zulu
creation knowledge, Ancient Egyptian Pre History knowledge, Arabian
Astrology and Mathematics, to Aryan geography and logistics, Greek culture
and languages. The list goes on. Humanity has so much to offer each other.
The best things in life are free, we all have so much to give. And we all
still do.
What a wonderful world this would be today. But instead, we have leaders in
politics, business and religion who choose domination. And we have a
population, ready to do their dirty work for them. We have nations built on
pure ignorance. These leaders and the people who follow them are The victory
men, the children of Baal. On all sides of the conflict, those who raise
arms against each other are the children of Baal. One seeks to dominate the
other. Even those defending their own freedom, those who place their trust
in the Gun as opposed to their faith in divine justice are children of the
serpent. They dance to the song of the devils, with their strings pulled
from high above, so high they think they are acting of their own choice and
free will. Such ones exist in a mental prison, a prisons with bars of hate,
arrogance, pride and ignorance. And their masters know exactly how to play
them.
There are things, there is life, there is consciousness that exists in
invisible realms. Just as your eyes see light in a specific spectrum, your
ears hear sound in a specific spectrum and your flesh, feels matter that
vibrates in a certain spectrum, there are infinite spectrums. What
physicists refer to as dimensions. There is no beginning and no end to the
frequency of life. There is no beginning or end to this tapestry of
creation, this song, this word, this power some call God. All that is, is
all there is and all there is, is infinite consciousness.
There is talk of these power elite groups From Freemasons to Zionist and
Illuminati. The illuminated ones. The Eye atop the pyramid of society. The
ALL Seeing eye that over watches THIS reality, this dimension, while keeping
those beneath confined DIVIDED in cells, in bricks, in boxes in
compartments. DIVIDE and conquer. Even if an enemy does not exists, ONE box
can be turned into the enemy of another box. To keep the people divided and
thus conquered is the agenda.
The Secret societies we know of today are far from the top of this pyramid.
The faces you se on the media are but foot soldiers to the forces who rule
them. The truth of how far this goes, and WHERE it goes, is a true challenge
to any normal persons belief system. A true challenge to your reality. Could
you handle the truth if you were told. Could you handle the truth if you
experienced it for yourself?
You have heard of mysterious creatures from yetis, to moth men, from beasts
which appear and vanish, UFOs aliens Aliens, ghosts and goblins etc.
Existing but not existing. Existing yes in other dimensions, with the
ability and knowledge of how to shift from one frequency to another.
Imagine an animal who could innately shift its frequency and literally blink
out of this dimension. Just like a Lizard who can shifts and alter the
colour of its skin. This animal is a peaceful creature, it lives in a forest
setting, deep in the jungle away form the predator called man. Would Anyone
ever see it? Would it ever be found by man-kind? Perhaps glimpses of it
would be reported, tracks and evidence of its existence, but no body, bones,
or physical evidence would be seen, when it dies, its body returns to its
native birth dimension, a place where such creatures are well known,
understood and documented.
Such creatures do exist. And many are intelligent, some more so than man.
A well trained mind, capable of astral projection can access these places,
these other dimensions. For the human being, the energy patterns associated
with the cosmic, down to the micro-cosmic must be attuned. Thus sacred
places, and astrological dates must be understood. A human being can shift
for short periods of time into these "hidden" realms, these other worlds.
And it is here that the true manipulators of our world can be found. These
are the Serpent masters. The serpent men. This may sound crazy to someone
who has no experience or knowledge of the occult or the practices I
describe, but I assure you, it is as true as the sky is blue to the eye of a
human being.
What do they want with us? Your energy. Your emotional power. Emotion IS
power. Emotion is what drives you to action every day. Your emotions ARE
your fuel for Life. Your emotion is the very energy you use to get you up
out of bed each day. And humans are very powerfully emotional beings. When
humans learn how to control their emotions and focus their emotional energy,
you will see a New Earth be born, and the gates of heaven will truly be
revealed. The human being can use this emotional energy to CREATE the cosmic
harmony needed to shift from one dimension to another at will, freely,
instantly, to transcend heaven and earth, to walk the rainbow bridge. To
become one with the light. One with the universe, one with god.
The dark forces that control this world control the secret societies, for
these dark forces have great power and understanding of manipulation and
control. Your governments, your media, your religious institutions. Anyone
who has any say in the direction of humanity is under their spell. They
always control BOTH sides of any conflict, to ensure the outcome. To ensure
people remain divided, and the people remain conquered. It matters not which
type of human APPEARS to be in control, Black, White, Red or Yellow. It
matters not to them Jew, Arab, Islam, Christian. They helped facilitate
these religions into power, they hijacked them, then steered them into
conflict, on to another. They took true wisdom, trues teachings of man, and
turned this very sacred knowledge against itself, turned man against woman,
brother against brother, son against father, daughter against mother. This
same power turned Christian Pilgrims into Murdering Warriors, it turns God
loving men, into suicidal killers.
This world can be divided into two very basic types of people. Those who
fall under the spell and embrace the divisional concept. Even those who
claim to be working for a "ONE world Order" only seek to further dominate,
and divide people. Such people see ONE world order as ONE kind of person, a
controlled and dominated world under a dark and controlling order. Yet there
is another kind of person. A person who embraces the unique qualities of his
fellow man, who appreciates color and variety, who seeks to understand his
neighbor, not preach to him, a person who seeks to be at one with the
universe, and to see his or her world in harmony with all creation. In
freedom, true freedom. Freedom from control of mind, body and spirit.
Go back to your books, and study them with an open heart, meditate upon
them, and ask for guidance from within. You will find truth ONLY when you
use your most powerful faculty. Your emotion of unconditional love. Great
love. True acceptance. To be able to accept the fact that you know very
little. To embrace a new reality, as a child being reborn into a new world.
You decide the world you want to live in, you decide the person you want to
see in this world, and you BE IT. LIVE IT.
If you can learn how to focus your love, you will see that this emotion
carries with it power, great power to harmonize with creation. To fall into
the choir that IS God. To see beyond the veil and pierce the illusion, your
spirit MUST be fueled by love. For Love is Creation, conjoining, coming
together, merging, joining hands and singing as one. HATE is division,
chaos, disintegration, darkness, dissolution and breaking apart.
One returns back to the source from which all things came, pure raw energy,
awaiting a conscious mind to put it to use. This is the agenda, to break you
down, to control your mind, devour your spirit for the glory of the
darkness. The choice is unconsciousness, non existence or consciousness, the
enlightened being, both wholly individual, and wholly harmonic with god and
all creation.
You must learn to see with your eye the destination which you wish to go.
Fall not in love with this world, but instead fall in love with the heaven
you see in your heart. Worry not of HOW you will get there, just go there
and live it. Love creates that heaven, Hate destroys it.
The serpent fears most the love of man, for that love shall break the spell,
and the human shall rise above the serpent and out of his controlling grasp
for ever. No longer shall the serpents feed upon us, for the serpents shall
remain condemned to the worlds of flesh, the prison, yet mankind is destined
for far greater things. I will not be a meal ticket for the darkness to grow
in power. Will you?
Regards
Adeon
http://www.lightworkers.org
.

User: "Atzilah"

Title: Re: A challenge for Christians 17 Feb 2004 02:05:41 PM
Very interesting, Adeon. I have been studying the concepts of parallel
universes an the like. Have you read any of Brian Greene's books? He poses
the theory of 11 dimensions, only 3 of which we are in tune to.
Atzilah
"Adeon" <www@lightworkers.org.no.spam> wrote in message
news:ongYb.124$L43.2671@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...

Hello all..

I would like to post some information, you may believe it to simply be

an

opinion, but read carefully. And try to understand the implications that

are

presented.

Firstly you have a reality unique to yourself. How you perceive the

world is

totally different to every other person in existence. You migrate toward
peoples, cultures & ethnic groups who see the world in a like manner to

you.

This is society.

Often conflicts arise when two groups do not see the same reality. What

one

calls white, the other calls black and so forth. Some go so far as to

create

conflicts because of these differences in view. Such conflicts arise out

of

arrogance and ignorance.

Many people cannot handle the simple truth that they do not have all the
answers. They cling desperately to a reality they call the universal

truth.

Their way or NO WAY. Much religion stems from this school of thought,

which

translates into Dogma. Again, symptoms of arrogance and ignorance

abound. To

challenge ones religion, or social concept with a new idea is tantamount

to

heresy, as this is a challenge to this person accepted reality. This is

a

challenge to their very soul. Such transformation can create a ignorant

babe

out of the most learned scholar.

LIFE is a challenge. Challenges bring success or failure. And sometimes
success in a challenge comes only realizing the failure and visa versa.

This

is called learning. When we cease to learn, by closing our eyes and

minds to

other people concepts of truth and reality, we enter the mind of

arrogance

and ignorance. We become even more stupid than an animal. This is the

seed

of true evil, degeneration and NON growth.

Imagine a world history where cultures, countries and nations did not

fight

with each other but instead, shared their ideas and understanding in

mutual

respect for one and other. From Chinese ancient wisdom, to Mayan

knowledge

of Time and Space. To Australian Native aboriginal understanding of the
dream time to native American Indian understanding of earth harmony,

Zulu

creation knowledge, Ancient Egyptian Pre History knowledge, Arabian
Astrology and Mathematics, to Aryan geography and logistics, Greek

culture

and languages. The list goes on. Humanity has so much to offer each

other.

The best things in life are free, we all have so much to give. And we

all

still do.

What a wonderful world this would be today. But instead, we have leaders

in

politics, business and religion who choose domination. And we have a
population, ready to do their dirty work for them. We have nations built

on

pure ignorance. These leaders and the people who follow them are The

victory

men, the children of Baal. On all sides of the conflict, those who raise
arms against each other are the children of Baal. One seeks to dominate

the

other. Even those defending their own freedom, those who place their

trust

in the Gun as opposed to their faith in divine justice are children of

the

serpent. They dance to the song of the devils, with their strings pulled
from high above, so high they think they are acting of their own choice

and

free will. Such ones exist in a mental prison, a prisons with bars of

hate,

arrogance, pride and ignorance. And their masters know exactly how to

play

them.

There are things, there is life, there is consciousness that exists in
invisible realms. Just as your eyes see light in a specific spectrum,

your

ears hear sound in a specific spectrum and your flesh, feels matter that
vibrates in a certain spectrum, there are infinite spectrums. What
physicists refer to as dimensions. There is no beginning and no end to

the

frequency of life. There is no beginning or end to this tapestry of
creation, this song, this word, this power some call God. All that is,

is

all there is and all there is, is infinite consciousness.

There is talk of these power elite groups From Freemasons to Zionist and
Illuminati. The illuminated ones. The Eye atop the pyramid of society.

The

ALL Seeing eye that over watches THIS reality, this dimension, while

keeping

those beneath confined DIVIDED in cells, in bricks, in boxes in
compartments. DIVIDE and conquer. Even if an enemy does not exists, ONE

box

can be turned into the enemy of another box. To keep the people divided

and

thus conquered is the agenda.

The Secret societies we know of today are far from the top of this

pyramid.

The faces you se on the media are but foot soldiers to the forces who

rule

them. The truth of how far this goes, and WHERE it goes, is a true

challenge

to any normal persons belief system. A true challenge to your reality.

Could

you handle the truth if you were told. Could you handle the truth if you
experienced it for yourself?

You have heard of mysterious creatures from yetis, to moth men, from

beasts

which appear and vanish, UFOs aliens Aliens, ghosts and goblins etc.
Existing but not existing. Existing yes in other dimensions, with the
ability and knowledge of how to shift from one frequency to another.

Imagine an animal who could innately shift its frequency and literally

blink

out of this dimension. Just like a Lizard who can shifts and alter the
colour of its skin. This animal is a peaceful creature, it lives in a

forest

setting, deep in the jungle away form the predator called man. Would

Anyone

ever see it? Would it ever be found by man-kind? Perhaps glimpses of it
would be reported, tracks and evidence of its existence, but no body,

bones,

or physical evidence would be seen, when it dies, its body returns to

its

native birth dimension, a place where such creatures are well known,
understood and documented.

Such creatures do exist. And many are intelligent, some more so than

man.


A well trained mind, capable of astral projection can access these

places,

these other dimensions. For the human being, the energy patterns

associated

with the cosmic, down to the micro-cosmic must be attuned. Thus sacred
places, and astrological dates must be understood. A human being can

shift

for short periods of time into these "hidden" realms, these other

worlds.

And it is here that the true manipulators of our world can be found.

These

are the Serpent masters. The serpent men. This may sound crazy to

someone

who has no experience or knowledge of the occult or the practices I
describe, but I assure you, it is as true as the sky is blue to the eye

of a

human being.

What do they want with us? Your energy. Your emotional power. Emotion IS
power. Emotion is what drives you to action every day. Your emotions ARE
your fuel for Life. Your emotion is the very energy you use to get you

up

out of bed each day. And humans are very powerfully emotional beings.

When

humans learn how to control their emotions and focus their emotional

energy,

you will see a New Earth be born, and the gates of heaven will truly be
revealed. The human being can use this emotional energy to CREATE the

cosmic

harmony needed to shift from one dimension to another at will, freely,
instantly, to transcend heaven and earth, to walk the rainbow bridge. To
become one with the light. One with the universe, one with god.

The dark forces that control this world control the secret societies,

for

these dark forces have great power and understanding of manipulation and
control. Your governments, your media, your religious institutions.

Anyone

who has any say in the direction of humanity is under their spell. They
always control BOTH sides of any conflict, to ensure the outcome. To

ensure

people remain divided, and the people remain conquered. It matters not

which

type of human APPEARS to be in control, Black, White, Red or Yellow. It
matters not to them Jew, Arab, Islam, Christian. They helped facilitate
these religions into power, they hijacked them, then steered them into
conflict, on to another. They took true wisdom, trues teachings of man,

and

turned this very sacred knowledge against itself, turned man against

woman,

brother against brother, son against father, daughter against mother.

This

same power turned Christian Pilgrims into Murdering Warriors, it turns

God

loving men, into suicidal killers.

This world can be divided into two very basic types of people. Those who
fall under the spell and embrace the divisional concept. Even those who
claim to be working for a "ONE world Order" only seek to further

dominate,

and divide people. Such people see ONE world order as ONE kind of

person, a

controlled and dominated world under a dark and controlling order. Yet

there

is another kind of person. A person who embraces the unique qualities of

his

fellow man, who appreciates color and variety, who seeks to understand

his

neighbor, not preach to him, a person who seeks to be at one with the
universe, and to see his or her world in harmony with all creation. In
freedom, true freedom. Freedom from control of mind, body and spirit.

Go back to your books, and study them with an open heart, meditate upon
them, and ask for guidance from within. You will find truth ONLY when

you

use your most powerful faculty. Your emotion of unconditional love.

Great

love. True acceptance. To be able to accept the fact that you know very
little. To embrace a new reality, as a child being reborn into a new

world.

You decide the world you want to live in, you decide the person you want

to

see in this world, and you BE IT. LIVE IT.

If you can learn how to focus your love, you will see that this emotion
carries with it power, great power to harmonize with creation. To fall

into

the choir that IS God. To see beyond the veil and pierce the illusion,

your

spirit MUST be fueled by love. For Love is Creation, conjoining, coming
together, merging, joining hands and singing as one. HATE is division,
chaos, disintegration, darkness, dissolution and breaking apart.

One returns back to the source from which all things came, pure raw

energy,

awaiting a conscious mind to put it to use. This is the agenda, to break

you

down, to control your mind, devour your spirit for the glory of the
darkness. The choice is unconsciousness, non existence or consciousness,

the

enlightened being, both wholly individual, and wholly harmonic with god

and

all creation.

You must learn to see with your eye the destination which you wish to

go.

Fall not in love with this world, but instead fall in love with the

heaven

you see in your heart. Worry not of HOW you will get there, just go

there

and live it. Love creates that heaven, Hate destroys it.


The serpent fears most the love of man, for that love shall break the

spell,

and the human shall rise above the serpent and out of his controlling

grasp

for ever. No longer shall the serpents feed upon us, for the serpents

shall

remain condemned to the worlds of flesh, the prison, yet mankind is

destined

for far greater things. I will not be a meal ticket for the darkness to

grow

in power. Will you?

Regards

Adeon
http://www.lightworkers.org





.

User: "Troy"

Title: Re: A challenge for Christians 16 Feb 2004 10:29:49 PM
"Adeon" <www@lightworkers.org.no.spam> wrote in message
news:ongYb.124$L43.2671@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...

Hello all..

<snipped really long sermon>
Wow! I think you make some good points with all the "divide and conquer"
stuff, but talk about being out there. Jeez, do you really believe all that
astral-projection stuff? You should write a book. That makes a really good
conspiracy theory. But, I'm sorry to tell you, there is no boogeyman out
there waiting to take over. There's no body listening to your prayers. Just
submit to me, Satan, and I'll give you everything you need. Just kidding of
course. I've always wondered, does insanity feel good?

Adeon
http://www.lightworkers.org





.
User: "Adeon"

Title: Re: A challenge for Christians 17 Feb 2004 12:13:34 AM
Troy <troyh709@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:1NgYb.327130$I06.3406811@attbi_s01...

"Adeon" <www@lightworkers.org.no.spam> wrote in message
news:ongYb.124$L43.2671@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...

Hello all..

<snipped really long sermon>

Wow! I think you make some good points with all the "divide and conquer"
stuff, but talk about being out there. Jeez, do you really believe all

that

astral-projection stuff? You should write a book. That makes a really good
conspiracy theory. But, I'm sorry to tell you, there is no boogeyman out
there waiting to take over. There's no body listening to your prayers.

Just

submit to me, Satan, and I'll give you everything you need. Just kidding

of

course. I've always wondered, does insanity feel good?

One mans insanity, is anothers salvation.. Belief is but a stepping stone to
knowing. Thus I dont believe.. I know.. ;)
.


User: "Chris Devol"

Title: Re: A challenge for Christians 17 Feb 2004 08:12:01 PM
"Adeon" <www@lightworkers.org.no.spam> wrote in message
news:ongYb.124$L43.2671@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...

Hello all..

I would like to post some information, you may believe it to simply be

an

opinion, but read carefully. And try to understand the implications

that are

presented.

Firstly you have a reality unique to yourself. How you perceive the

world is

totally different to every other person in existence. You migrate

toward

peoples, cultures & ethnic groups who see the world in a like manner

to you.

This is society.

This is not correct, people's perception of the world is not "totally
different" one from another, it is only slightly different.
Moreover, "reality" cannot be "unique to oneself". "Reality" means
"everything that exists". Therefore, there cannot be more than one
reality, thus the use of the indefinite articular phrase "a reality" is
incorrect.
The rest of your post reflects a similar lack of precision in your use
of words and reasoning. You are simply lazily drifting in a sentimental
and self-indulgent haze. Probably you are smoking pot or using some
other kind of strong intoxicant.
There will be no profit in any further analysis. You need to work a LOT
harder and get off whatever drug you're on.
.

User: "Erik Evenson"

Title: Re: A challenge for Christians 16 Feb 2004 09:23:53 PM
"Adeon" <www@lightworkers.org.no.spam> wrote in message
news:ongYb.124$L43.2671@nnrp1.ozemail.com.au...

Hello all..

I would like to post some information, you may believe it to simply be an
opinion, but read carefully. And try to understand the implications that

are

presented.

snip.....
;-o zzz zzz zzz zzz zzz
You sure drone on with a lot of words.
True Christians keep there comments short and to the point.
They also don't worry about spellling, all discourse is informal.
The truth is simple and non-convoluted.
True believers don't need an impressive memory and logic skills; they only
have to "believe."
Look around you. Don't you see the Synchronicity.
Just Believe. Don't overthink and try to find a way to profit from your
situation.
Just Act, Have faith.
Just be Yourself -- You'll have a good laugh when you get it, promise ;-)
The Brass Bear.
.

User: "TehGhodTrole"

Title: Re: A challenge for Christians 16 Feb 2004 10:13:53 PM
Adeon wrote:

Imagine an animal who could innately shift its frequency and
literally blink out of this dimension.

That's a kadaitcha man.

Go back to your books, and study them with an open heart, meditate
upon them, and ask for guidance from within.

Christians seek their guidance from God, not from "within".

You must learn to see with your eye the destination which you wish to
go. Fall not in love with this world, but instead fall in love with
the heaven you see in your heart.

Christian's don't believe that heaven is in the heart.

I will
not be a meal ticket for the darkness to grow in power.

You already are.
--
TehGhodTrole: Trolling, for God's sake.
Your Free Insult: Jesus loves you.
.
User: "Adeon"

Title: Re: A challenge for Christians 17 Feb 2004 12:09:22 AM

Christians seek their guidance from God, not from "within".

If the Spirit of God is not within you.. what does that have to say?

You must learn to see with your eye the destination which you wish to
go. Fall not in love with this world, but instead fall in love with
the heaven you see in your heart.


Christian's don't believe that heaven is in the heart.

If heaven is not in your heart then what is?
For whatever it is that reigns within your heart that is exactly what you
shall manifest in the world around you. That which you love, will come to
you, that which you hate shall also come to you.. So hate nothing and love
heaven.. and "thy kingdom will come.."
Regards
Adeon
.
User: "TehGhodTrole"

Title: Re: A challenge for Christians 17 Feb 2004 03:24:49 AM
Adeon wrote:

Christians seek their guidance from God, not from "within".


If the Spirit of God is not within you.. what does that have to say?

You must learn to see with your eye the destination which you wish
to go. Fall not in love with this world, but instead fall in love
with the heaven you see in your heart.


Christian's don't believe that heaven is in the heart.


If heaven is not in your heart then what is?

Excellent weasel-words designed to focus Christian thoughts in the wrong
place; on the self.
"As a weasel is alleged to be able to empty an egg without leaving a visible
sign, so can these words deprive of content any term to which they are
prefixed while seemingly leaving them untouched." - Friedrich A. Hayek, The
Fatal Conceit : W. W. Bartley (Ed.)
--
TehGhodTrole: Trolling, for God's sake.
Your Free Insult: Jesus loves you.
.


User: "The Last Church"

Title: Re: A challenge for Christians 17 Feb 2004 03:04:54 PM
On 17 Feb 2004 04:13:53 GMT, "TehGhodTrole" <nospam@kadaitcha.cx>
wrote:

Christians seek their guidance from God, not from "within".

" The kingdom of God is "within"! The domain of Christ is
"Within" you. If you looking outside yourself for the spirit
that is God, you find nothing.

Christian's don't believe that heaven is in the heart.

I am Christian and I believe you should replace your word,
"christians" with "I" or place the word "some" before christians.
If God is in heaven, and the kingdom of God is with in where
will you find the place you call heaven?
..
**************************
A preacher is the blind
leading the blind...
The Last Church
http://www.thelastchurch.org
michael@thelastchurch.org
alt.religion.thelastchurch
alt.religion.the-last-church
.
User: "TehGhodTrole"

Title: Re: A challenge for Christians 17 Feb 2004 07:56:19 PM
The Last Church wrote:

On 17 Feb 2004 04:13:53 GMT, "TehGhodTrole" <nospam@kadaitcha.cx>
wrote:

Christians seek their guidance from God, not from "within".

" The kingdom of God is "within"! The domain of Christ is
"Within" you. If you looking outside yourself for the spirit
that is God, you find nothing.

Christian's don't believe that heaven is in the heart.


I am Christian and I believe you should replace your word,
"christians"

The word I used was "Christians". You will note an ever so subtle
difference.

with "I" or place the word "some" before christians.
If God is in heaven, and the kingdom of God is with in where
will you find the place you call heaven?

BZZZZT! The failure is yours in not recognising the weasel-words of the OP.
There is no denial that God lives and manifests in one's heart. Whilst I
take your statement to being a Christian at face value, it is folly to not
be on one's guard and subsequently fail to recognise the subtle shift in
focus from "look to God who dwells within you" to "look within you". In
other words, you have allowed yourself to be misled by New Age mumbo-jumbo
that has only one aim; to shift the focus from the one true God to the self.
Furthermore, the "domain of Christ" is not limited to one "temple". Through
Him all things were created.
Read some of the silky-worded New Age mumbo-jumbo of the OP:
"A well trained mind, capable of astral projection ..."
"There are things, there is life, there is consciousness that exists in
invisible realms. Just as your eyes see light in a specific spectrum, your
ears hear sound in a specific spectrum and your flesh, feels matter that
vibrates in a certain spectrum, there are infinite spectrums."
"You have heard of mysterious creatures from yetis, to moth men, from beasts
which appear and vanish, UFOs aliens Aliens, ghosts and goblins etc.
Existing but not existing. Existing yes in other dimensions, with the
ability and knowledge of how to shift from one frequency to another."
"Imagine an animal who could innately shift its frequency and literally
blink
out of this dimension. ... when it dies, its body returns to its
native birth dimension, a place where such creatures are well known,
understood and documented. ... Such creatures do exist."
PFFFT!
--
TehGhodTrole: Trolling, for God's sake.
Your Free Insult: Jesus loves you.
.
User: "The Last Church"

Title: Re: A challenge for Christians 17 Feb 2004 11:27:33 PM
On 18 Feb 2004 01:56:19 GMT, "TehGhodTrole" <nospam@kadaitcha.cx>
wrote:

The word I used was "Christians". You will note an ever so subtle
difference.

I noticed but you didn't. I also notice your not.

In
other words, you have allowed yourself to be misled by New Age mumbo-jumbo

NO not at all. In fact my belief is 60 years old and nothing new age
about it.
..
In the mind of Christ,
Michael
**
A preacher is the blind
leading the blind...
The Last Church
http://www.thelastchurch.org
michael@thelastchurch.org
alt.religion.thelastchurch
alt.religion.the-last-church
.
User: "TehGhodTrole"

Title: Re: A challenge for Christians 18 Feb 2004 12:58:59 AM
The Last Church wrote:

On 18 Feb 2004 01:56:19 GMT, "TehGhodTrole" <nospam@kadaitcha.cx>
wrote:

The word I used was "Christians". You will note an ever so subtle
difference.


I noticed but you didn't.

Then how was it that you used a lower case c?

I also notice your not.

How interesting that, as a claimed Christian, you refuse to acknowledge that
same claim by another merely because you disagree with their understanding
and reckoning of what is before them.

In fact my belief is 60 years old and nothing new age
about it.

Try Ford Pills.
In the meantime, having read your other posts, which, pardoxically, include
instances of outright plagiarism from gnostic websites, plagiarised and
unannotated quotes from Helen Ellerbe, and your wails against "organised
religion", I shall merely confine you to the chaos you sow... into the
eternal bitbucket in the sky you go.
*plonk*
--
TehGhodTrole: Trolling, for God's sake.
Your Free Insult: Jesus loves you.
.
User: "The Last Church"

Title: Re: A challenge for Christians 20 Feb 2004 01:34:27 AM
On 18 Feb 2004 06:58:59 GMT, "TehGhodTrole" <nospam@kadaitcha.cx>
wrote:

Then how was it that you used a lower case c?

Do you think that matters to God?

How interesting that, as a claimed Christian, you refuse to acknowledge that
same claim by another merely because you disagree with their understanding

Not because I disagree with you but because you are not like Christ.
Christian means Christ like. I haven't seen a hint of that in you
yet. But I will keep looking. There should be at least some sign.
I haven't seen the offer of Grace in your words.


In the meantime, having read your other posts,

"Let no evil talk come out of your mouths, but only what is useful for
building up, as there is need, so that your words may give grace to
those who hear."
Eph4:29

*plonk*


..
In the mind of Christ,
Michael
**
A preacher is the blind
leading the blind...
The Last Church
http://www.thelastchurch.org
michael@thelastchurch.org
alt.religion.thelastchurch
alt.religion.the-last-church
.






User: "Steve Hayes"

Title: Re: A challenge for Christians 17 Feb 2004 08:06:42 PM
On Tue, 17 Feb 2004 15:16:47 +1100, "Adeon" <www@lightworkers.org.no.spam>
wrote:

Hello all..

I would like to post some information, you may believe it to simply be an
opinion, but read carefully. And try to understand the implications that are
presented.

Firstly you have a reality unique to yourself. How you perceive the world is
totally different to every other person in existence. You migrate toward
peoples, cultures & ethnic groups who see the world in a like manner to you.
This is society.

Often conflicts arise when two groups do not see the same reality. What one
calls white, the other calls black and so forth. Some go so far as to create
conflicts because of these differences in view. Such conflicts arise out of
arrogance and ignorance.

Many people cannot handle the simple truth that they do not have all the
answers. They cling desperately to a reality they call the universal truth.
Their way or NO WAY. Much religion stems from this school of thought, which
translates into Dogma. Again, symptoms of arrogance and ignorance abound. To
challenge ones religion, or social concept with a new idea is tantamount to
heresy, as this is a challenge to this person accepted reality. This is a
challenge to their very soul. Such transformation can create a ignorant babe
out of the most learned scholar.

He is windingup the watch of his wit, by and by it will strike.
Unfortunately, such is the pressure of information overload that if the first
three paragraphs contain obscure waffle that doesn't seem to have a point,
chances are the rest of it will be like that too.
If you have something to say, say it. Consider skipping the preliminaries
because many people will fear that once they have read the whole thing, there
will be only preliminaries, and it will never get to the point.
--
Steve Hayes from Tshwane, South Africa
http://www.geocities.com/Athens/7734/stevesig.htm
E-mail - see web page, or parse: shayes at dunelm full stop org full stop uk
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