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Religions > Bible |
| User: |
"Georg Hanuschick" |
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24 Oct 2006 09:53:47 AM |
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a general problem with the bible |
hi brethren,
meanwhile I did find 35767 errors in the bible (OT and NT).
I think I cannot simply ignore them. But how should I understand this? I
have thought the bible is the inspired word if GOD which can be understood
word by word and is true in every statement. But there seems to be more than
one truth for many topics so that I am in doubt what is the "correct truth".
Please: When answering do not state "there are no errors in the bible" or
there is only one truth. Do not say I did count wrong and do not say I do
not believe. You all know that there are things in the bible that cannot be
understood and therefore most of us believers run to bible schools and bible
lessons.
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: a general problem with the bible |
25 Oct 2006 01:37:42 AM |
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"Georg Hanuschick" <georghanuschick@tire.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ehl9dr$v89$2@daniel-new.mch.sbs.de...
hi brethren,
meanwhile I did find 35767 errors in the bible (OT and NT).
Who told you they were errors?
Did you try to see what the Author was telling you?
Dickens wrote that it was the best of times and it was the best of times,
and it was.
I think I cannot simply ignore them. But how should I understand this? I
have thought the bible is the inspired word if GOD which can be understood
word by word and is true in every statement. But there seems to be more
than
one truth for many topics so that I am in doubt what is the "correct
truth".
Please: When answering do not state "there are no errors in the bible" or
there is only one truth. Do not say I did count wrong and do not say I do
not believe. You all know that there are things in the bible that cannot
be
understood and therefore most of us believers run to bible schools and
bible
lessons.
.
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| User: "Georg Hanuschick" |
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| Title: Re: a general problem with the bible |
25 Oct 2006 06:38:33 AM |
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1. No discussion. I want answers.
Who told you they were errors?
2. I do not need anybody to be told anything. What I found was what I found.
And I do not need a definition of error or contradiction. Everybody knows
what these are.
Did you try to see what the Author was telling you?
3.1 Yes, I can imagine what a author wants to tell me ... and you and
thousands of others, too. This results in millions of understandings of
authors of the bible. I ask you, which understanding is true? Is it not the
holy spirit who guides you? But why then thousands of opinions if the only
and same holy spirit acts????
3.2 And if I try what is it for? Is it your solution to solve problems in
the bible? Really?
Who told you they were errors?
Did you try to see what the Author was telling you?
Dickens wrote that it was the best of times and it was the best of times,
and it was.
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: a general problem with the bible |
25 Oct 2006 11:24:08 AM |
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"Georg Hanuschick" <georghanuschick@tire.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ehnibq$be7$2@daniel-new.mch.sbs.de...
1. No discussion. I want answers.
Who told you they were errors?
2. I do not need anybody to be told anything. What I found was what I
found.
And I do not need a definition of error or contradiction. Everybody knows
what these are.
Once upon a time I was told I had to attend school, and while there I was
told I had to take some literature classes. I didn't like it, but I did
learn how to read, not merely the words but what the author was saying. Now,
when you say you find an error, someone has told you something at sometime
that leads you to determine you know more about what the author is
attempting to say, that the author does, and the author isn't attempting to
convey anything.
What I was offering you with my questions was an opportunity to read the way
I was taught to read without your having to take the classes. You don't have
to avail yourself of the opportunity. You can continue counting "errors,"
but, as for me, I'll continue to collect His revelations.
Did you try to see what the Author was telling you?
3.1 Yes, I can imagine what a author wants to tell me ... and you and
thousands of others, too. This results in millions of understandings of
authors of the bible. I ask you, which understanding is true? Is it not
the
holy spirit who guides you? But why then thousands of opinions if the only
and same holy spirit acts????
Actually, there is one Author of scripture, the Holy Spirit, who reveals it
to us. When we heed Him as we read the whole of scripture, the multitude of
different understandings reduce to the understanding of what He is saying.
What you notice is no one paying any attention to Him.
--
http://www.geocities.com/alphadiego66medina@sbcglobal.net/index.htm
Verily I say unto you, Whosoever shall not receive the kingdom of God as
a little child, he shall not enter therein. (Mark 10:15)
3.2 And if I try what is it for? Is it your solution to solve problems in
the bible? Really?
Who told you they were errors?
Did you try to see what the Author was telling you?
Dickens wrote that it was the best of times and it was the best of
times,
and it was.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: a general problem with the bible |
26 Oct 2006 07:20:59 PM |
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Fred A Stover wrote:
"Georg Hanuschick" <georghanuschick@tire.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ehnibq$be7$2@daniel-new.mch.sbs.de...
1. No discussion. I want answers.
Who told you they were errors?
2. I do not need anybody to be told anything. What I found was what I
found.
And I do not need a definition of error or contradiction. Everybody knows
what these are.
Once upon a time I was told I had to attend school, and while there I was
told I had to take some literature classes. I didn't like it, but I did
learn how to read, not merely the words but what the author was saying. Now,
when you say you find an error, someone has told you something at sometime
that leads you to determine you know more about what the author is
attempting to say, that the author does, and the author isn't attempting to
convey anything.
What I was offering you with my questions was an opportunity to read the way
I was taught to read without your having to take the classes. You don't have
to avail yourself of the opportunity. You can continue counting "errors,"
but, as for me, I'll continue to collect His revelations.
Did you try to see what the Author was telling you?
3.1 Yes, I can imagine what a author wants to tell me ... and you and
thousands of others, too. This results in millions of understandings of
authors of the bible. I ask you, which understanding is true? Is it not
the
holy spirit who guides you? But why then thousands of opinions if the only
and same holy spirit acts????
Actually, there is one Author of scripture, the Holy Spirit, who reveals it
to us.
===>Your imaginary "author" is a very confused source!
The books compiled in the Bible were written by individuals
with vary different ideas and opinions about "God" and "Life"
and "Truth" and "Justice", etc.
To blame all that confusion on one source is just ridiculous. -- L.
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| User: "Fred A Stover" |
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| Title: Re: a general problem with the bible |
26 Oct 2006 11:27:23 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote in message
news:454150EB.8090300@nothingbutthe.truth...
Fred A Stover wrote:
"Georg Hanuschick" <georghanuschick@tire.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ehnibq$be7$2@daniel-new.mch.sbs.de...
1. No discussion. I want answers.
Who told you they were errors?
2. I do not need anybody to be told anything. What I found was what I
found.
And I do not need a definition of error or contradiction. Everybody
knows
what these are.
Once upon a time I was told I had to attend school, and while there I
was
told I had to take some literature classes. I didn't like it, but I did
learn how to read, not merely the words but what the author was saying.
Now,
when you say you find an error, someone has told you something at
sometime
that leads you to determine you know more about what the author is
attempting to say, that the author does, and the author isn't attempting
to
convey anything.
What I was offering you with my questions was an opportunity to read the
way
I was taught to read without your having to take the classes. You don't
have
to avail yourself of the opportunity. You can continue counting
"errors,"
but, as for me, I'll continue to collect His revelations.
Did you try to see what the Author was telling you?
3.1 Yes, I can imagine what a author wants to tell me ... and you and
thousands of others, too. This results in millions of understandings of
authors of the bible. I ask you, which understanding is true? Is it not
the
holy spirit who guides you? But why then thousands of opinions if the
only
and same holy spirit acts????
Actually, there is one Author of scripture, the Holy Spirit, who reveals
it
to us.
===>Your imaginary "author" is a very confused source!
The books compiled in the Bible were written by individuals
with vary different ideas and opinions about "God" and "Life"
and "Truth" and "Justice", etc.
To blame all that confusion on one source is just ridiculous. -- L.
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| User: "gatekeeper" |
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| Title: Re: a general problem with the bible |
27 Oct 2006 02:37:59 AM |
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Libertarius wrote:
Fred A Stover wrote:
"Georg Hanuschick" <georghanuschick@tire.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ehnibq$be7$2@daniel-new.mch.sbs.de...
1. No discussion. I want answers.
Who told you they were errors?
2. I do not need anybody to be told anything. What I found was what I
found.
And I do not need a definition of error or contradiction. Everybody knows
what these are.
Once upon a time I was told I had to attend school, and while there I was
told I had to take some literature classes. I didn't like it, but I did
learn how to read, not merely the words but what the author was saying. Now,
when you say you find an error, someone has told you something at sometime
that leads you to determine you know more about what the author is
attempting to say, that the author does, and the author isn't attempting to
convey anything.
What I was offering you with my questions was an opportunity to read the way
I was taught to read without your having to take the classes. You don't have
to avail yourself of the opportunity. You can continue counting "errors,"
but, as for me, I'll continue to collect His revelations.
Did you try to see what the Author was telling you?
3.1 Yes, I can imagine what a author wants to tell me ... and you and
thousands of others, too. This results in millions of understandings of
authors of the bible. I ask you, which understanding is true? Is it not
the
holy spirit who guides you? But why then thousands of opinions if the only
and same holy spirit acts????
Actually, there is one Author of scripture, the Holy Spirit, who reveals it
to us.
===>Your imaginary "author" is a very confused source!
The books compiled in the Bible were written by individuals
with vary different ideas and opinions about "God" and "Life"
and "Truth" and "Justice", etc.
To blame all that confusion on one source is just ridiculous. -- L.
Now if you have been watching and listening to Fred, You know that he
is getting the one and only correct message from the Holy Spirit (at
least according to Fred), and we know it is correct because we know
that Fred can read the lips of the authors of the Scripture (or so he
claims)! Fred told us his secret, and this makes him one giant step
better at understanding all these various authors, and any supposed
errors! I am certain that when he reads their lips, that he
understands all, and finds there are no errors of translation, previous
interpretation, and differences in style. He can solve all exegetical
difficulties very simply by lip reading! Of course it also helps if
you have a private interpretation to start with, which of course the
Holy Spirit personally gave to him, so that he could understand all!
It is not quite as good as magical decoder glasses, but lip reading is
amazing stuff!
Now the best part is not that Fred has his private interpretation, or
his lip reading skills, but that he is safely closed up behind thd door
in the Ark of Safety. This position of comfort is radical news to
those who have never heard of this before, but Fred assures us that he
is safely aboard, and regrets to inform us that it is to late for the
rest of us because the Door is Closed! It does not matter, whether you
are a non Christian, non believer, or even if you thought you were a
believer Christian, because if you had been a true believer then you
would be able to read and understand what he reads and understands, and
you would believe the exact same way he does, and there would certainly
be no errors between the way the two of you would believe! Especially
since in order to be there, believing the way he believes, you would
have to have lip reading skills as well!
Now all this is very convienent for Fred, but sort of leaves the rest
of us with the original problem that started this thread! Not that
Fred really even cares about our problems because he is safely aboard
the Ark with the Door Closed! Our real problem is that we are not with
Fred, and then we could convienently ignore all this other stuff about
errors! Then when you come to an apparent error, you just apply the
special lip reading skills, and you would also find that there is
actually no error at all! Poof, they all just vanish away!
Now it just so happens that Fred would be glad to teach you his lip
reading skills, if you could just figure out how to get that Door open,
so that you could get in the Ark with him! Sorry, that option is not
available either, which again is very convienent for Fred, because then
you can never question his favored position of being able to understand
and properly interpret all scripture without any errors, nor for that
matter, the claim to be able to lip read any and all of the various
authors of the Scriptures.
The best thing about this for Fred is that when there is no way you can
understand what he is saying scripture says, his typical come back is
usually, see, " You don't know how to read, like I do! If you don't
understand what I am saying, it is because you do not know how to lip
read! Since you don't know how to lip read, and there is no way for
you to understand, then you are not worthy of even having me explain it
to you, because you would still not understand it!"
If you pursue trying to get him to explain what he is saying, and to
back up what he is saying with a proper exegesis of the Scripture,
then, he quotes several large passage of scripture, that could be used
to prove anything, and says, " Just read the book!" When you then
continue to protest, he eventually starts ROTFL, saying, "See I told
you so!" So I have come to call him a non-holy roller, which he even
seemed to appreciate, at least briefly! Or at least until he went for
his final ploy!
Eventually his final ploy is to call you a demon and a liar! Such is
the fruit of the superb exegesis of Fred. But then if you can read
lips, how good do you have to be when you are comfortable aboard the
Ark, with the Door closed!
The only thing I do not understand, if you are safely aboard the Ark
Like Noah, once the door was closed, and it had started to rain, Old
Noah, had stopped preaching to those who are outside of the Ark, for as
Noah recognize, it is to late for them! However in Fred's case he is
still letting us know how special he is because he has this special
understanding, and he knows how to lip read, and he is safe aboard the
Ark with the door shut! And that after all is what is important to
Fred, is for us to know how important Fred is! Forget any errors,
forget the scriptures, forget God, forget Jesus, forget you, as long as
you know how special and how highly god thinks of Fred! At least he
got that last one right!
Now I am praying for Fred, and I only bring up what I write above, so
that you can be praying for Fred as well! If you are a Christian, and
love the truth, and Love Jesus, and Know that Jesus died once and for
all time for the forgiveness of your sins, then please know that this
is not what Fred is teaching! He is teaching another Gospel, and
another Jesus, which puts him in danger of the final judgement! We as
Christians need to pray for Fred to repent, and turn to Jesus for the
forgiveness of his Sins!
As for those who do not claim to know Jesus, and may not even believe
in God, I point this out to you as a sad example, of what happens when
a person rejects God, and the truth of the Scriptures, regarding Jesus,
and His death on the Cross! God's word, says they are given over to
darkness, and to the evil one! I am praying for you as well, that you
would come to the truth, God Loves you, and He sent Jesus to die for
you, that your sins, and your Sin, could be forgiven! Worrying about
how many errors are in the Scriptures, may seem like a reasonable dodge
and distraction from your responsibility to accept Jesus, and to have
your sins and Sin forgiven. However if you continue on this track, and
do not accept your resposibility, you also are in danger of the final
Judgement, and of being cast into outer Darkness. So I will continue to
pray for you as well!
The Eastgate is open, the King is in residence! Whosoever will, may
come in!
Gatekeeper
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: a general problem with the bible |
24 Oct 2006 11:19:21 AM |
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"Georg Hanuschick" <georghanuschick@tire.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ehl9dr$v89$2@daniel-new.mch.sbs.de...
hi brethren,
meanwhile I did find 35767 errors in the bible (OT and NT).
I think I cannot simply ignore them. But how should I understand this? I
have thought the bible is the inspired word if GOD which can be understood
word by word and is true in every statement. But there seems to be more
than
one truth for many topics so that I am in doubt what is the "correct
truth".
Please: When answering do not state "there are no errors in the bible" or
there is only one truth. Do not say I did count wrong and do not say I do
not believe. You all know that there are things in the bible that cannot
be
understood and therefore most of us believers run to bible schools and
bible
lessons.
The foundation of all Christian religions are the Bibles. The Bibles are the
literature of pure 'faith', not of scientific observation, evidence or
historical fact or demonstration.
The Bibles are a foundation of quicksand. There are NO ORIGINALS in
existence. Why would not any 'real' God protect the originals??? What are
available are altered copies of copies by unknown men of questionable
veracity. The books of the Bibles were written over 1,000 years before the
invention of the printing press. Even the so called originals were
supposedly written by 56 or more different authors of unknown veracity. They
are biased by, and dependent on the writings and opinions of the clergy. And
the status and survival of the clergy is totally dependent on their follower's
belief in their Bible stories. There are 18 different English versions
alone.
There is NO - NADA _evidence the Bibles are the word of any Gods. They are
no more than the words of hundreds of errant religious leaders motivated to
impress and control their flock.
It is believed that the foundation of the Christian religion, civilization
and morality is the Good Book. This is patently ridiculous because the
Bibles are nothing more than books of myths, fables, contradictions, human
and animal sacrifices, genocide, slaveholding, misogyny, destruction,
barbarisms, and impossible tales. They are not accurate history and
certainly are not the words of any god unless he is an insane and totally
untrustworthy monster. They are not even good fiction.
The Bibles quite obviously contain mostly myths, fables, legends.
contradictions and totally impossible tales. NONE of the Bibles were written
during Jesus' 'CLAIMED LIFE TIME'. Time and distance was required to allow
the creation of fictional stories and the embellishment of history.
There is also the matter of the Biblical canon itself. After all, ancient
Israel and the early church knew of many more religious books than the ones
that now constitute the Bible. For example, there were over 50 gospels in
circulation at the time the New Testaments were chosen by church leaders,
yet only four made it into the New Testament. Who decided which of the books
would become part of the Christian scriptures, and again, "Why?" Who
decided, "This book belongs... this book doesn't..."? What were their
reasons? What were their motives? How do we know if ANY of them were
authentic? In addition there is evidence that the Bibles were altered by
church leaders to support their personal motives and ambitions.
The fact is, there are no clear records available which document the
church's process of determining which books were acceptable and which books
were unacceptable and why. The general consensus of opinion among scholars
is that the decision was based on whether or not the book agreed with the
prevailing theological thought and motives at the time. In other words, the
only books accepted were the ones that agreed with the opinions, desires and
motives of the church leadership at the time
It is interesting to note that NONE of the Bibles were written during Jesus'
claimed life time. It seems time needed to pass to permit the creation of
tales and the embellishment of history.
According to Bart Ehrman, professor and Chair of the Dept. of Religious
Studies at the University of North Carolina, The Bible is not the error-free
word of any god. There are some 5,700 ancient Greek manuscripts that are the
basis of the modern versions of the New Testament, and scholars have
uncovered more thousands of differences in those texts.
The last 12 verses of the Gospel of Mark appear to have been added to the
text many years later -- and these are the only verses in that book that
mention Christ reappearing after his death.
Another critical passage is in 1 John, which explicitly sets out the Holy
Trinity (the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit). It is a cornerstone of
Christian theology, and this is the only place where it appears in any of
the Bibles -- and it appears to have been added to the text centuries later,
by an unknown scribe.
For a man who originally believed the Bible was the inspired Word of God,
Ehrman sought the true originals to shore up his faith. The problem: he
found there are NO original manuscripts of ANY of the Bibles - Old or New
Testaments!
If the history of the resurrection of Christ had not really happened, the
message . . . according to the authority of the apostle Paul, had to be
'null and void'. Ehrman slowly came to a horrifying realization: There was
no real historical record. It was, he felt, no more than myths and fables,
told by illiterate men and not set down in writing for decades that
followed.
There is no solid agreement even within the Christian community on the
interpretation of the Bibles. There are 18 English versions alone. There are
thousands of variations and opinions as to the meaning of various Biblical
statements.
If Jesus was God, why did he not leave behind an authentic record of his
rules and commands? Why are there NO Biblical documents written during his
'claimed' time on earth? The Old Testaments were written 'before his birth'.
The New Testaments were written '60 and more years after his death' by men
that could never have known Jesus personally. NONE were written during his
'claimed' life time. Studies by Tony Busby indicate the new testaments were
really not compiled until the third century by the church leadership at the
time.
There is NO objective verifiable evidence as to their authenticity and
veracity. The Bibles contain both historical and scientific errors. They
contain manifest absurdities, unfulfilled prophesies, immoralities,
indecencies, obscenities, atrocities, barbarities, myths, folklore and
legends. They are nothing more than hearsay, myths, contradictions and
implausible tales.
Here is just a small sampling of implausible Bible stories.
The story of creation
A totally illogical Biblical story is the story of creation. It is obviously
pure fiction.
Genesis says that God created first the earth, then the Sun and Moon.
We know from astronomical data that our Sun and Moon is much older than the
earth. And all of these are older by eons than man. Only uneducated
egocentric humans could have written such nonsense.
Biblically, God created the world about six thousand years ago. 'Scientific
Evidence' indicates the Universe, as we now know it, began more than 13
BILLION years ago or more.
In the Bible, the Universe is a firmament and the Earth is a fixed (not to
mention flat) Planet and the Son, Moon and other planets revolve around the
earth. This was believed until modern scientific inquiry showed this was
totally false. We now KNOW the Earth revolves around the Son and the
Universe is over 20 BILLION light years in diameter and is made up of
trillions of Stars and Planets of which our planetary system is a very
miniscule and inconsequential part. There was no concept of a 'Universe' in
Biblical times.
Everything beyond our immediate Son and planets was considered Heaven.
In the Bible the earth is created in the first day, before the Son, Moon and
Stars. Objective scientific evidence is that the Earth did not form until
approximately 10 BILLION YEARS after the beginning of the present Universe
and after the formation of the Son, and many other stars.
The Creation of the World
Genesis
In the beginning of creation, when God made heaven and earth, the earth was
without form and void, with darkness over the face of the abyss, and a
mighty wind that swept over the surface of the waters. God said, Let there
be light, and there was light; and God saw that the light was good, and he
separated light from darkness. He called the light day, and the darkness
night. So evening came, and morning came, the first day. God created light
before he created the Sun and the Moon!
Astronomical evidence shows the Son existed long before the Earth; therefore
the earth was not created before the Son. It is equally obvious that the
writers of that time thought the World was the center the firmament and that
they had no conception of the size and nature of the Universe. Everything
beyond the Sun and Moon was considered to be gods Heaven
God said, Let there be a vault between the waters, to separate water from
water. So God made the vault, and separated the water under the vault from
the water above it, and so it was; and God called the vault heaven. Evening
came, and morning came, a second day.
God said; Let the waters under heaven be gathered into one place, so that
dry land may appear; and so it was. God called the dry land earth, and the
gathering of the waters he called seas; and God saw that it was good. Then
God said, Let the earth produce fresh growth, let there be on the earth
plants bearing seed, fruit-trees bearing fruit each with seed according to
its kind. So it was; the earth yielded fresh growth, plants bearing seed
according to their kind and trees bearing fruit each with seed according to
its king; and God saw that it was good. Evening came, and morning came, a
third day.
And this good and loving God created animals that eat other animals (and
man) and poisonous plants and snakes that kill!
God said, Let there be lights in the vault of heaven to separate day from
night, and let them serve as signs both for festivals and for seasons and
years. Let them also shine in the vault of heaven to give light on earth. So
it was; God made the two great lights, the greater to govern the day and the
lesser to govern the night; and with them he made the stars. God put these
lights in the vault of heaven to give light on earth, to govern day and
night, and to separate light from darkness; and God saw that it was good.
Evening came, and morning came, a fourth day.
Ancient man erroneously thought the stars beyond the Sun and Moon to be
Heaven. The Moon was NOT considered a reflection from the light of the Sun
but a lesser light.
God, said, Let the waters teem with countless living creatures, and let
birds fly above the earth across the vault of heaven. God then created the
great sea-monsters and all living creatures that move and swarm in the
waters, according to their kind, and every kind of bird; and God saw that it
was good. So he blessed them and said, be fruitful and increase, fill the
waters of the seas; and let the birds increase on land. Evening came, and
morning came, a fifth day.
And this all loving God created creatures of that kill and eat other
creatures including man.
Archaeological evidence shows that animals evolved from primitive cells over
a period of about four billion years - not in one day!
God said, let the earth bring forth living creatures, according to their
kind: cattle, reptiles, and wild animals, all according to their kind. So it
was; God made wild animals, cattle, and all reptiles, each according to its
kind; and he saw that it was good. Then God said, Let us make man it our
image and likeness to rule the fish in the sea , the birds of heaven, the
cattle, all wild animals on earth, and all reptiles that crawl upon the
earth. So God created man in his own image; in the image of God he created
him; male and female he created them. God blessed them and said to them, be
fruitful and increase, fill the earth and subdue it, rule over the fish in
the sea, the birds of heaven, and every living thing that moves upon the
earth. God also said, I give you all plants that bear seed everywhere on
earth, and every tree bearing fruit which yields seed: they shall be yours
for food. All green plants I give for food to the wild animals, to all the
birds of heaven, and to all reptiles on earth, every living creature. So it
was; and God saw all that he had made, and it was very good. Evening came,
and morning came, a sixth day.
And God created animals that need to kill and eat other animals including
man in order to survive. This is a loving and caring God?
Thus heaven and earth were completed with all their mighty throng. On the
sixth day God completed all the work he had been doing, and on the seventh
day he ceased from all his work. God blessed the seventh day and made it
holy, because on that day he ceased from all the work he had set himself to
do and rested.
Why would a God that is not physical but spiritual, get tired and need rest?
If this creator is such a loving and caring guy, why does he permit totally
innocent children to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a
fully developed brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.?
Why are some born idiots and others with super intelligence?
Why does this loving and caring god create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes,
Volcanic Eruptions, Wars, cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases and
serious body malfunctions that effect people indiscriminately regardless of
their conduct or religious beliefs? Why does he permit millions of both
young and old to starve to death?
These afflict humans indiscriminately - young and old, atheists and members
of all religious beliefs.
Why did he design humans to suffer the decrepitude and malignancies of old
age? Even those that devote their lives to religious leadership suffer these
punishments of old age.
Why did this caring benevolent god create animals that need to eat other
animals to survive?
If there is a god that created the Universe, he is obviously not an
all-caring and benevolent god. The objective evidence is that, if there is a
god creator, he has no concern about the welfare of the creatures on Earth.
Adam and Eve
In the Bible, there are two different accounts of Adam and Eve's creation.
According to the Priestly (P) history of the 5th or 6th century BC (Genesis
1:1-2:4), God on the sixth day of Creation created all the living creatures
and, "in his own image," man both "male and female." God then blessed the
couple, told them to be "fruitful and multiply," and gave them dominion over
all other living things.
According to the lengthier Yahwist (J) narrative of the 10th century BC
(Genesis 2:5-7, 2:15-4:1, 4:25), God, or Yahweh, created Adam at a time when
the earth was still void, forming him from the earth's dust and breathing
"into his nostrils the breath of life." God then gave Adam the primeval
Garden of Eden to tend but, on penalty of death, commanded him not to eat of
the fruit of the "tree of knowledge of good and evil." Subsequently, so that
Adam would not be alone, God created other animals but, finding these
insufficient, put Adam to sleep, took from him a rib, and created a new
companion, Eve. The two were persons of innocence until Eve yielded to the
temptations of the evil serpent and Adam joined her in eating the forbidden
fruit, whereupon they both recognized their nakedness and donned fig leaves
as garments. Immediately, God recognized their transgression and proclaimed
their punishments-for the woman, pain in childbirth and subordination to
man, and, for the man, relegation to an accursed ground with which he must
toil and sweat for his subsistence. Adam died at the age of 930!
In later Christian theology, the concept of original sin (q.v.) took hold-a
sin in which human kind has been held captive since the fall of Adam and
Eve. The doctrine was based on Pauline Scripture but has not been accepted
by a number of Christian sects and interpreters. Why should BILLIONS of
innocent people be punished over thousands of years for this original sin
that they had no part in?
This is both sadistic and ridiculous!
Jonah
As the story is related in the Book of Jonah, the prophet Jonah is called by
God to go to Nineveh (a great Assyrian city) and prophesy disaster because
of the city's wickedness. Jonah, in the story, feels about Nineveh as does
the author of the Book of Nahum-that the city must inevitably be destroyed
because of God's judgment against it. Thus Jonah does not want to prophesy,
because Nineveh might repent and thereby be saved. So he rushes down to
Joppa and takes passage in a ship that will carry him in the opposite
direction, thinking to escape God.
A storm of unprecedented severity strikes the ship, and it shows signs of
breaking up and foundering. Jonah confesses that it is his presence on board
that is causing the storm. At his request, he is thrown overboard, and the
storm subsides.
A "great fish," appointed by God, swallows Jonah, and he stays within the
fish's maw for three days and nights. He prays for deliverance and is
"vomited out" on dry land (ch. 2).
Totally implausible. He would have been digested by the fish in those three
days!
Sodom and Gomorrah
According to the Bible these cities and everyone in them, except Lot and his
family, were destroyed by fire and brimstone for their sinfulness. Lot's
wife was turned into a pillar of salt for disobeying God's command to not
look back at her city of birth being destroyed.
There is no way that EVERYONE in two cities could be so sinful, especially
innocent children, to deserve destruction by fire and brimstone.
Sodom and Gomorrah constituted, along with the cities of Admah, Zeboiim, and
Zoar (Bela), the five biblical "cities of the plain." Destroyed by"brimstone
and fire" because of their wickedness (Genesis 19:24).
Sodom and Gomorrah probably were devastated about 1900 BC by an earthquake
in the Dead Sea area of the Great Rift Valley, an extensive rift extending
from the Jordan River valley in Israel to the Zambezi River system in East
Africa. When the catastrophic destruction occurred, the petroleum and gases
existing in the area probably contributed to the imagery of "brimstone and
fire"
Cruel, inhumane and pure nonsense!
The Tower of Babel
Genesis 11.1 - 11.9
God became concerned that the Tower being built would reach his heaven.
He confounded the builders by giving them different languages so they could
no longer communicate with each other to continue the construction.
Why would this be of any concern to an all powerful God creator and wouldn't
this God creator realize that no tower could possibly reach his spiritual
heaven?
Noah and the Ark
The Bible is claimed to be the inerrant word of God
The story of Noah and the flood is only one of many ridiculous biblical
tales with no authentication or plausibility of any kind. It is an
impossible story.
1. The largest boat ever built to this day could not even come CLOSE to
housing Noah, his sons, wives and two of every type of animal on earth.
2. How were the 1.7 MILLION species collected in a boat and
cared for by a few people. How did he manage to get them all back to Asia,
Africa, Australia, North America, South America, the Arctic and Antarctic?
3. And this was a boat built of wood many thousands of years ago. There
are 1.7 million KNOWN species of animals on this planet. This story is
patently impossible, using only materials and tools available to Noah, to
build an arch large enough to hold all these creatures, together with
suitable environments for each of them to live in, keeping them all
separated so they don't kill and eat each other. And then provide room and
an environment for many hundreds of millions of known species of insects,
plants, molds etc. on this planet?
4. Where did they house all of the new born during this ten month
escapade?
5. In addition, the ship would have to carry a TEN MONTHS supply of food
and fresh water for the people and thousands of animals for them to survive.
What would the carnivores have eaten? Whatever prey they ate would have gone
extinct. How did they dispose of the thousands of tons of feces? It must
have been one stinking ship!
6. Now according to the Bible the earth was flooded for ten months. This
would kill off all the vegetation. What did the animals eat for an
additional year or more after the flood subsided?
7. Noah sends a dove out to see if there was any dry land. But the dove
returns without finding any. Then, just seven days later, the dove goes out
again and returns with an olive leaf. But how could an olive tree survive
the flood? And if any seeds happened to survive, they certainly wouldn't
germinate and grow leaves within a seven day period. 8:8-11.
8. And according to this myth, Noah was also over 600 years old!
This is a grossly implausible tale that ranks as a greater tale than Santa
Claus, The Wizard of Oz, The Easter Bunny and The Tooth Fairy!
Genesis 6:6
6 The LORD was grieved that he had made man on the earth, and his heart was
filled with pain.
7 So the LORD said, "I will wipe mankind, whom I have created, from the face
of the earth: men and animals, and creatures that move along the ground, and
birds of the air-for I am grieved that I have made them."
9 Noah was a righteous man, blameless among the people of his time, and he
walked with God.
Genesis 7
1 The LORD then said to Noah, "Go into the ark, you and your whole family,
because I have found you righteous in this generation. 2 Take with you seven
[a] of every kind of clean animal, a male and its mate, and two of every
kind of unclean animal, a male and its mate, 3 and also seven of every kind
of bird, male and female, to keep their various kinds alive throughout the
earth. 4 Seven days from now I will send rain on the earth for forty days
and forty nights, and I will wipe from the face of the earth every living
creature I have made."
6 Noah was six hundred years old when the floodwaters came on the earth. 7
And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to
escape the waters of the flood. 8 Pairs of clean and unclean animals, of
birds and of all creatures that move along the ground, 9 male and female,
came to Noah and entered the ark, as God had commanded Noah. 10 And after
the seven days the floodwaters came on the earth.
This is patently ridiculous and impossible. How could they capture and load
over three million animals in a period of seven days???
11 In the six hundredth year of Noah's life, on the seventeenth day of the
second month-on that day all the springs of the great deep burst forth, and
the floodgates of the heavens were opened. 12 And rain fell on the earth
forty days and forty nights.
13 On that very day Noah and his sons, Shem, Ham and Japheth, together with
his wife and the wives of his three sons, entered the ark. 14 They had with
them every wild animal according to its kind, all livestock according to
their kinds, every creature that moves along the ground according to its
kind and every bird according to its kind, everything with wings. 15 Pairs
of all creatures that have the breath of life in them came to Noah and
entered the ark. 16 The animals going in were male and female of every
living thing, as God had commanded Noah. Then the LORD shut him in.
17 For forty days the flood kept coming on the earth, and as the waters
increased they lifted the ark high above the earth. 18 The waters rose and
increased greatly on the earth, and the ark floated on the surface of the
water. 19 They rose greatly on the earth, and all the high mountains under
the entire heavens were covered. 20 The waters rose and covered the
mountains to a depth of more than twenty feet. [, 21 Every living thing that
moved on the earth perished-birds, livestock, wild animals, all the
creatures that swarm over the earth, and all mankind. 22 Everything on dry
land that had the breath of life in its nostrils died. 23 Every living thing
on the face of the earth was wiped out; men and animals and the creatures
that move along the ground and the birds of the air were wiped from the
earth. Only Noah was left, and those with him in the ark.
24 The waters flooded the earth for a hundred and fifty days.
This of course would have also killed all the vegetation on Earth!
Genesis 7:6 (New International Version)
6 Noah was "six hundred" years old when the floodwaters came on the earth.
7 And Noah and his sons and his wife and his sons' wives entered the ark to
escape the waters of the flood
Genesis 8
1 But God remembered Noah and all the wild animals and the livestock that
were with him in the ark, and he sent a wind over the earth, and the waters
receded.
3 The water receded steadily from the earth. At the end of the hundred and
fifty days the water had gone down,
4 and on the seventeenth day of the seventh month the ark came to rest on
the mountains of Ararat.
5 The waters continued to recede until the tenth month, and on the first day
of the tenth month the tops of the mountains became visible
And what did they eat until all the vegetation recovered from the flood???
Genesis 9 God's Covenant with Noah
1 Then God blessed Noah and his sons, saying to them, "Be fruitful and
increase in number and fill the earth.
2 The fear and dread of you will fall upon all the beasts of the earth and
all the birds of the air, upon every creature that moves along the ground,
and upon all the fish of the sea; they are given into your hands.
3 Everything that lives and moves will be food for you. Just as I gave you
the green plants, I now give you everything.
4 "But you must not eat meat that has its lifeblood still in it.
5 And for your lifeblood I will surely demand an accounting. I will demand
an accounting from every animal. And from each man, too, I will demand an
accounting for the life of his fellow man.
Before man learned how to create a fire, he had no choice but to eat raw
meat!
Samson
Hebrew Shimshon, Israelite hero portrayed in an epic narrative in the Old
Testament (Judg. 13-16). He was a Nazirite (q.v.) and a legendary warrior
whose incredible exploits hint at the weight of Philistine pressure on
Israel during much of the early, tribal period of Israel in Canaan
(1200-1000).
Samson was claimed to possess extraordinary physical strength, and the moral
of his saga relates the disastrous loss of his power to the violation of his
Nazirite vow. Credited with remarkable exploits-e.g., the slaying of a lion
and moving the gates of Gaza-he first broke his religious promises by
feasting with a woman from the neighboring town of Timnah, who was also a
Philistine, one of Israel's mortal enemies. Other remarkable deeds follow;
e.g., his decimating the Philistines in a private war. On another occasion
he repulsed their assault on him at Gaza, where he had gone to visit a
harlot. He finally fell victim to his foes through love of Delilah, a woman
of the valley of Sorek, who beguiled him into revealing the secret of his
strength: his long Nazirite hair. As he slept, Delilah had his hair cut and
betrayed him. He was captured, blinded, and enslaved by the Philistines, but
in the end he was granted his revenge; through the return of his old
strength, he supposedly demolished the great Philistine temple of the god
Dagon, at Gaza, destroying his captors and himself (Judg.16:4-30).
A truly implausible tale!
God created a three level Universe - Heaven above, a flat World resting on
water. Genesis 1:6-10; 7:11; 8:2; 11:11-9; 19:24; 28:12-13; Exodus 20:4;
Numbers 16:30-33; Deuteronomy 33:17.
God created the Sun and the Moon on the fourth day but created light on the
first day! Genesis1:1-9; 14-19
It is claimed that the Eve, first woman, was created from one of Adam's
ribs.
Genesis 3:1-5 Men and women have the same number of ribs on each side of
their body? And in any case why would a god that has created the Universe
and everything in it need to tale rib from Adam to create Eve???
The Bibles claim that a talking snake talked Eve into eating the forbidden
fruit.
The Bibles claim that Adam lived 930 years, Seth 912 years, Enosh 905 years,
Kenan910 years, Mahalael 895 years, Jared 962 years, Methuselah 969 years;
Lamech 777 years, and Noah 950 years. Genesis 5:-31; 9:29
God commanded that every baby boy at age of eight days be circumcised.
At that time sterilization (of knives) was unknown and many died of
infection for which they new no cure. Why did this almighty and all caring
God create baby boys with foreskins on their penis that he then required to
be painfully and dangerously removed?
This all caring and loving God sent ten horrible plagues upon the Egyptians
Exodus 7:14-12:32 and in his loving generosity gave Israel the land of the
Canaanites and the Israelites slaughtered every person of seven nations.
Twenty one million, men women and innocent children, were slaughtered
according to the Bible. Exodus 12:1-2
This is a loving god???
According to the verse, Jesus was being tempted by Satan, for forty
days. Assuming that Jesus is God, we are required to believe that God
was tempted by Satan, who was created by God in the first place.
[NIV, Mark 1:12-13]
Again, the devil took him to a very high mountain and showed him all
the kingdoms of the world and their splendor. "All this I will give
you," he said, "if you will bow down and worship me." Jesus said to
him, "Away from me, Satan! For it is written: 'Worship the Lord your
God, and serve him only.' " [NIV, Matthew 4:8-10] If Jesus is God,
would the Devil promise him that he will give him the kingdoms of the
world when all the all kingdoms of the world were created by and already
belong to God??
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God in the Bibles classifies bats as birds when anyone with an elementary
knowledge of biology knows that bats are flying MAMMALS!
Letiviticus11:13, 19
This God can't control his temper resulting in killing thousands of people.
Numbers 11:31-35; 25:1-9
He and Moses ordered the Israelites to kill all the male and Female
Medianites who had ever had sex but to spare the young women who were
virgins and keep them for themselves to enjoy. Numbers 31:14-1
Jeremiah:16:1: The word of the LORD came also unto me, saying,
2: Thou shall not take thee a wife, neither shall thou have sons or
daughters in this place.
3: For thus saith the LORD concerning the sons and concerning the daughters
that are born in this place, and concerning their mothers that bare them,
and concerning their fathers that begat them in this land;
4: They shall die of grievous deaths; they shall not be lamented; neither
shall they be buried; but they shall be as dung upon the face of the earth:
and they shall be consumed by the sword, and by famine; and their carcasses
shall be meat for the fowls of heaven, and for the beasts of the earth.
5: For thus saith the LORD, Enter not into the house of mourning, neither go
to lament nor bemoan them: for I have taken away my peace from this people,
saith the LORD, even loving kindness and mercies.
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According to the unerring Bible, the earth is the oldest object in the
Universe. (Genesis 1:1), snakes can talk (Genesis 3:1-5), and Man had
dominion over the dinosaurs (Genesis 1:26, 28)."
Really??? The Earth did not come into existence until 10 BILLION years after
the Universe. Man came into existence MILLIONS of years AFTER the extinction
of the Dinosaurs.
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God is satisfied with his works
[Gen 1:31]
God is dissatisfied with his works.
[Gen 6:6]
God dwells in chosen temples
[2 Chron 7:12,16]
God dwells not in temples
[Acts 7:48]
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Jesus' claimed last words on the cross, 'My God, my God, why hast thou
forsaken me?' Hardly seems like the words of a god that created and
controlled the whole world and who planned his entry and exit on earth.
More obvious nonsense!
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Additional Bible nonsense too voluminous to quote fully;
Mt.4:8: Gen. 1:6; Deut. 30.4; Job. 9:6,22:13, 26:11; PSA 75.3, 103.12;
1 Sam 2.8; Isa. 13.5, 40.21-22; Dan 4.10-11; Re. 7.1, 20.8; Psa 93:1, 96:10,
105.5Job. 22.14; Rev. 6.14; Acts 10:11; Rev. 6:13, 8:14; Mat. 2:9; Gen 1:16;
Lev.19.27, 11.7,10-12: Mat. 5:17-19; Luke 16:17; Lev. 19.19; Luke 16:1-9;
Amos 3:6; Isa. 45:7; Lev, 18.22, 20.13; Deut. 13.6; Judges 14.20; 1 Sam
16:21-23, 18.1-3; Sam 1:26, 13:3, 15:37, 16:16-17: Mat. 2:13-15; Luke 2:1-7,
21; Gen. 11.6, 18:21, 27:33; Exod. 9:14, 12:12; Num 33.4; Deut. 3.23; Exod.
18:11; Eccl. 9.5-6, 9:10; Job 7.9-10, 13:28, 14:1-2, 14:1-2, 10-12, 21; Prov
2:18-19; Eccl. 10:17, 17:27, 28, 30, 19.3, 44:9; wisdom 2:1-5
This is just a sampling of ridiculous Bible tales. The Bibles are obviously
a mixture of fiction, fables, folklore and pure nonsense.
And these Bibles were dictated by God??? Then this God must be a demented
idiot.
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24 Oct 2006 11:03:18 AM |
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"Georg Hanuschick" <georghanuschick@tire.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ehl9dr$v89$2@daniel-new.mch.sbs.de...
hi brethren,
meanwhile I did find 35767 errors in the bible (OT and NT).
I think I cannot simply ignore them. But how should I understand this? I
have thought the bible is the inspired word if GOD which can be understood
word by word and is true in every statement. But there seems to be more
than
one truth for many topics so that I am in doubt what is the "correct
truth".
Please: When answering do not state "there are no errors in the bible" or
there is only one truth. Do not say I did count wrong and do not say I do
not believe. You all know that there are things in the bible that cannot
be
understood and therefore most of us believers run to bible schools and
bible
lessons.
The bible is not the word of God. It is the words of men *about* what they
conceive God to be. Handicapped as they were by ignorance and superstition,
they did the best they could. We continue to ask many of the same questions
they did, but we have much more knowledge than the ancient authors of the
bible. And, apparently interpretation is everything. I have met
fundamentalists who could twist and tie any bible verse to make it say
whatever they wanted it to mean - that's where the "more than one truth" you
spoke about comes in!
Shalom,
Bill
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26 Oct 2006 07:13:40 PM |
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Wild Bill wrote:
"Georg Hanuschick" <georghanuschick@tire.nospam.com> wrote in message
news:ehl9dr$v89$2@daniel-new.mch.sbs.de...
hi brethren,
meanwhile I did find 35767 errors in the bible (OT and NT).
I think I cannot simply ignore them. But how should I understand this? I
have thought the bible is the inspired word if GOD which can be understood
word by word and is true in every statement. But there seems to be more
than
one truth for many topics so that I am in doubt what is the "correct
truth".
Please: When answering do not state "there are no errors in the bible" or
there is only one truth. Do not say I did count wrong and do not say I do
not believe. You all know that there are things in the bible that cannot
be
understood and therefore most of us believers run to bible schools and
bible
lessons.
The bible is not the word of God. It is the words of men *about* what they
conceive God to be. Handicapped as they were by ignorance and superstition,
they did the best they could. We continue to ask many of the same questions
they did, but we have much more knowledge than the ancient authors of the
bible. And, apparently interpretation is everything. I have met
fundamentalists who could twist and tie any bible verse to make it say
whatever they wanted it to mean - that's where the "more than one truth" you
spoke about comes in!
Shalom,
Bill
===>EXCELLENT COMMENT, Bill.
Also, we might add that, thjrough the scientific method, we have
a much better tool than the speculation and fantasy available to
the ancients. -- L.
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26 Nov 2006 12:15:59 PM |
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"Georg Hanuschick" <georghanuschick@tire.nospam.com>
Re: a general problem with the bible
hi brethren,
meanwhile I did find 35767 errors in the bible (OT and NT).
I think I cannot simply ignore them. But how should I understand this? I
have thought the bible is the inspired word if GOD which can be understood
word by word and is true in every statement. But there seems to be more than
one truth for many topics so that I am in doubt what is the "correct truth".
Please: When answering do not state "there are no errors in the bible" or
there is only one truth. Do not say I did count wrong and do not say I do
not believe. You all know that there are things in the bible that cannot be
understood and therefore most of us believers run to bible schools and bible
lessons.
Hello,
The Bible never claimed that all COPIES of Scripture would be free
from errors. Anyone can write anything when copying something. But if
we had the original writings available (which we don't), then
according to the Bible they all would have been error free. (1 Ti
3:16)
So the key question here is, if we only have copies of those
originals, are the copies considered good enough to be representing
most of the original statements?
Those who have intensely researched those ancient Bible documents have
drawn some interesting conclusions.
For example, concerning the Christian Greek Scriptures (New Testament)
, Professor Kurt Aland wrote: "It can be determined, on the basis of
40 years of experience and with the results which have come to light
in examining . . . manuscripts at 1,200 test places: The text of the
New Testament has been excellently transmitted, better than any other
writing from ancient times; the possibility that manuscripts might yet
be found that would change its text decisively is zero." [-Das Neue
Testament-zuverlässig überliefert (The New Testament-Reliably
Transmitted), Stuttgart, 1986, pp. 27, 28.]
Concerning the text of the Hebrew Scriptures (Old Testament), scholar
W. H. Green observed: "It may be safely said that no other work of
antiquity has been so accurately transmitted." (Archaeology and Bible
History, by J. P. Free, 1964, p. 5)
Thus the evidence speaks for itself. We can be confident that the
Bible we have today contains the basic messages that the original
writers penned.
Sincerely, James
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Want a FREE home Bible study?
Have Jehovah's Witnesses questions?
Go to the authorized source:
http://www.watchtower.org
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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| Title: Re: a general problem with the bible |
26 Nov 2006 11:21:52 PM |
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"James" <bireda@allvantage.com> wrote in message
news:1uljm2d92uufm3uk9hj4ipdr8l1bjeafuu@4ax.com...
"Georg Hanuschick" <georghanuschick@tire.nospam.com>
Re: a general problem with the bible
hi brethren,
meanwhile I did find 35767 errors in the bible (OT and NT).
answer: the christian bible is a TOTAL AND COMPLETE CROCK OF CRAP
why else do you think there are asll of those errors in it?
if the bible is "god's word", then this god moron is a fucking dumbass
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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26 Nov 2006 08:18:22 PM |
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James wrote:
"Georg Hanuschick" <georghanuschick@tire.nospam.com>
Re: a general problem with the bible
hi brethren,
meanwhile I did find 35767 errors in the bible (OT and NT).
I think I cannot simply ignore them. But how should I understand this? I
have thought the bible is the inspired word if GOD which can be understood
word by word and is true in every statement. But there seems to be more than
one truth for many topics so that I am in doubt what is the "correct truth".
Please: When answering do not state "there are no errors in the bible" or
there is only one truth. Do not say I did count wrong and do not say I do
not believe. You all know that there are things in the bible that cannot be
understood and therefore most of us believers run to bible schools and bible
lessons.
Hello,
The Bible never claimed that all COPIES of Scripture would be free
from errors. Anyone can write anything when copying something. But if
we had the original writings available (which we don't), then
according to the Bible they all would have been error free. (1 Ti
3:16)
===>The author's opinion expressed in that verse
1. Is the judgment of one unknown man; and
2. Does not refer to "The Bible". (It talks about
some unspecified "writings" (GRAPHE in Greek).
You are repeationg a big lie out of ignorance.
So the key question here is, if we only have copies of those
originals, are the copies considered good enough to be representing
most of the original statements?
===>Of course they are.
The problem is NOT with the "copies" but with those
"original statements", which reflect diverse and mutually
contardictory ideas, opinions, speculations and fantasies by
the original writers. -- L.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: a general problem with the bible - BIG LIE |
26 Oct 2006 07:11:20 PM |
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The biggest "general problem" is the BIG LIE
that it is the "Word of God".
NOTE: Not the Bible but that CLAIM is the
BIG LIE! -- L.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: a general problem with the bible - BIG LIE |
27 Oct 2006 08:45:41 AM |
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On Thu, 26 Oct 2006 18:11:20 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
The biggest "general problem" is the BIG LIE
that it is the "Word of God".
NOTE: Not the Bible but that CLAIM is the
BIG LIE! -- L.
And now you know why nobody takes you seriously.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
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