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Religions > Bible |
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"free radical" |
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31 Oct 2004 11:31:21 AM |
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A Message to Moral People |
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil because these
"medical" procedures torture and murder unborn children during the pre-natal
stage of human life. As such, they remind those who are truly historically
literate of the Nazi scientists who murdered and experimented on Jews and
other people.
Usama Bin Laden and his terrorist cohorts want to defeat the United States.
As they did to the ruling party in Spain, they think they can partially
defeat the U.S. by defeated George W. Bush, who has taken strong military
action against them.
High taxes and complicated laws are also clearly evil. President Clinton's
refusal to lower taxes and lighten the regulatory load on business in 2000
at the start of the last recession clearly hurt the economy. Ohio has also
been hurt by high taxes and complicated business regulations passed by
liberals and so-called moderates. In fact, Ohio now has the third largest
state tax rate in the 50 states in the U.S.! Of course, President Bush's tax
cuts in the last four years have helped get us out of the recession, despite
the terrible attack on 9/11 and the efforts of the Arabs and Muslims in the
Middle East to raise oil and gasoline prices so they can also help defeat
President Bush.
Thus, moral people must vote Nov. 2 to re-elect President Bush. He is the
best moral choice this time.
ts
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| User: "GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral People |
31 Oct 2004 12:53:14 PM |
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On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:31:21 GMT,
Hateful Bigot, "free radical" <titus213@pacbell.net> spewed:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil...
Bullcrap!! Abortion is a hugely-beneficial REMEDY. See SIG.
And embryonic stem cell research hold the promise of medical
breakthroughs that can benefit millions of people. Only a total
FOOL would oppose it!
Thus, moral people must vote Nov. 2 to...
Elect KERRY, and rescue America from the tyrranical agendas
of the UN-Christian "Religious" Radical Right cult.
-- Craig Chilton
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ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryoes &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensible to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend z/e/fs but NOT sperm and ova.
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:
-- In NO way condemns abortion
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That the Bible regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the importance
of BIRTH order, and BIRTHrights.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization
-- Thus making z/e/f and sperm & ova of EQUAL worth
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision
-- Most women have no regrets
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation
-- Avoid bringing child into less-loving home
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment
-- Wait until timing is better before having children
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 40 million abortions have been done
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 was at 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the year 2002 to date, in
the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic of
any nation in the entire history of the world.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001. And a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
-- Originally posted to alt.abortion
and talk.abortion on Aug. 13, 2000
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| User: "J Young" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral People |
31 Oct 2004 09:56:31 PM |
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(GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) wrote in message news:<418a3231.8730211@netnews.mchsi.com>...
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:31:21 GMT,
Hateful Bigot, "free radical" <titus213@pacbell.net> spewed:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil...
Bullcrap!! Abortion is a hugely-beneficial REMEDY. See SIG.
And embryonic stem cell research hold the promise of medical
breakthroughs that can benefit millions of people. Only a total
FOOL would oppose it!
Thus, moral people must vote Nov. 2 to...
Elect KERRY, and rescue America from the tyrranical agendas
of the UN-Christian "Religious" Radical Right cult.
-- Craig Chilton
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryoes &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
That is everything one needs to know about the subject. Abortion is
the murder of a human being.
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| User: "james g. keegan jr." |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral People |
01 Nov 2004 04:06:25 PM |
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(J Young) wrote in
news:9c2d0f9a.0410311956.34ff6d88@posting.google.com:
Abortion is the murder of a human being.
it is rare that one can demonstrate ignorance of the meaning of two words in
a single sentence, as you just did.
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| User: "David W. Barnes" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral People |
31 Oct 2004 10:08:04 PM |
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In article <9c2d0f9a.0410311956.34ff6d88@posting.google.com>, J Young
<youngopinions@aol.com> wrote:
That is everything one needs to know about the subject. Abortion is
the murder of a human being.
Then why has no one ever been prosecuted or convicted?
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| User: "GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral People |
31 Oct 2004 10:22:52 PM |
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On 31 Oct 2004 19:56:31 -0800,
Hateful and Mindless Bigot, "Jon Young"/IBen Getiner"
<youngopinions@aol.com> spewed:
Craig Chilton < > ("GOOD RIDDANCE on
Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) wrote:
Hateful Bigot, "free radical" <titus213@pacbell.net> spewed:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil...
Bullcrap!! Abortion is a hugely-beneficial REMEDY. See SIG.
And embryonic stem cell research hold the promise of medical
breakthroughs that can benefit millions of people. Only a total
FOOL would oppose it!
Thus, moral people must vote Nov. 2 to...
Elect KERRY, and rescue America from the tyrranical agendas
of the UN-Christian "Religious" Radical Right cult.
-- Craig Chilton
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryoes &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
That is everything one needs to know about the subject.
Abortion is the murder of a human being.
Bullcrap!!! ALL "human beings" have been BORN.
And -- *gametes*, TOO, are human reproductive-process
entities, and just as much *potential* people as are the z/e/fs.
So let me know when you have your sandwich board finished,
so you can get out and parade around for all QUADRILLION of
*those* that are electively aborted every single DAY, worldwide.
THAT, I want to see. You'd be the FIRST Anti-Choicer *not* to be
a total hypocrite.
-- Craig Chilton
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ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryoes &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
-- Unique
-- As a stage of development, indispensible to future birth
-- Have NEVER experienced conscious awareness
-- Alive
...which makes it hypocritical when abortion opponents
try to defend z/e/fs but NOT sperm and ova.
And the Bible, which is the primary moral authority for the
majority of Americans:
-- In NO way condemns abortion
-- Doesn't even MENTION abortion
-- By Jesus' day, abortion had been around for 1,000 yrs.
-- Contains NO defenses of s/o/z/e/fs
-- Reserves ALL of its protection for already-BORN people
-- That the Bible regards personhood to begin at BIRTH is
made clear by it's immense emphasis on the importance
of BIRTH order, and BIRTHrights.
-- In certain cases, condemned BABIES to horrible deaths
-- Never indicates that there is anything "special" about
fertilization
-- Thus making z/e/f and sperm & ova of EQUAL worth
Abortion-on-request enables women to:
-- Put their lives back on track immediately
-- Restore their well-being to pre-unplanned pregnancy levels
-- Vast majority of women are happy with this decision
-- Most women have no regrets
-- Restore their full range of future opportunities
-- Avoid physical difficulties of a 9-month pregnancy
-- Especially important for young girls, ~12-16
-- Statistically 6-10 times safer than carrying-to-term
-- Avoid the trauma of adopting-out, and wondering later
-- Avoid possibility of changing mind about adopting-out
-- Reduce likelihood of long-term economic deprivation
-- Avoid bringing child into less-loving home
-- Avoid bringing child into unstable environment
-- Wait until timing is better before having children
-- Who then are MORE likely to be loved
-- Who then are MORE likely to be in stable home
-- And thus are LESS like to have troubled childhoods
-- And therefore more likely NOT to become criminals
-- And thus are MORE likely to become successful
Legal abortion-on-request:
-- Is exponentially safer than illegal abortions
-- Thus saving the lives of hundreds or thousands of women/yr.
-- Has been available throughout the USA since early 1973
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 30 million women have had them
-- Between 1973 and 2000, 40 million abortions have been done
Other related facts include:
-- MOST women who have abortions go on to HAVE kids later,
when the timing is better
-- Those children would NOT have been born if the abortions
had not taken place earlier, because the same sperm and
ova would not have matched up.
-- Those "2nd-round" kids STARTED reaching age 13 in
significant numbers by 1988. By the early 1990s, millions
of those "2nd-round" kids were in their mid-teens by the
early 1990s.
-- Mid-teens is the highest risk age for crime, and this
continues into the early 20s.
-- As pointed out above, wanted and loved children are
LESS prone to criminal behavior.
-- By 1995, millions of "2nd-round kids" were entering the
workforce. Perhaps a million-plus MORE have entered it
every year SINCE. By 2000, the oldest ones had reached
the age where they could be getting quite successful.
-- Since the early 1990s, the rate of violent crime in the USA
has declined dramatically, and by 2000 was at 40-year
lows in many categories.
-- The decade of the 1990s, and the year 2002 to date, in
the USA, has been the most economically-dynamic of
any nation in the entire history of the world.
Although the exact figures may be impossible to derive, the
probability that abortion-on-request has SIGNIFICANTLY benefitted
all of America's society in terms of the crime rate and the economy
is QUITE strong, despite the temporary anomaly caused by the attack
on Sept. 11, 2001. And a strong U.S. economy benefits the entire
world.
-- Originally posted to alt.abortion
and talk.abortion on Aug. 13, 2000
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral People |
01 Nov 2004 04:59:58 AM |
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On 31 Oct 2004 19:56:31 -0800, (J Young) in
alt.abortion with message-id
<9c2d0f9a.0410311956.34ff6d88@posting.google.com> wrote:
That is everything one needs to know about the subject. Abortion is
the murder of a human being.
No, it isn't.
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| User: "HG" |
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01 Nov 2004 08:15:29 AM |
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Attila wrote:
On 31 Oct 2004 19:56:31 -0800, (J Young) in
alt.abortion with message-id
<9c2d0f9a.0410311956.34ff6d88@posting.google.com> wrote:
That is everything one needs to know about the subject. Abortion is
the murder of a human being.
No, it isn't.
Abortion is death. Was it done through murder or compassion ?
Death is not illegal.
Is it murder or compassion to permit a brain-dead woman to die
by the will of her spouse ?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/26/national/main631915.shtml
How is this different from allowing an undeveloped fetus' brain to die
by the will of her mother ?
How many women have only one abortion ?
How many women have had two, three, four,... abortions ?
Too much compassion becomes murder.
How "compassionate" does Bush have to be before it's called murder:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/07/stem.cell.ap/
How many couples have had multiple miscarriages trying to have
children while using fertility drugs ?
Is it an abortion to be "reborn", to alter one's fate ?
http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-18722/
Should we make recreation of creation ?
Abortions under the Clintion Administration decline:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_fact.htm
Abortions under the Bush Administration increase:
http://www.christianpost.com/dbase/society/1096/section/1.htm
Should both the born and the unborn be called upon to make
sacrifices for others ?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/31/60minutes/main652491.shtml
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| User: "Attila" |
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01 Nov 2004 09:59:37 AM |
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On Mon, 01 Nov 2004 14:15:29 -0000, HG <HG@pandora.net> in
alt.abortion with message-id <10och81dst6qn58@corp.supernews.com>
wrote:
Attila wrote:
On 31 Oct 2004 19:56:31 -0800, (J Young) in
alt.abortion with message-id
<9c2d0f9a.0410311956.34ff6d88@posting.google.com> wrote:
That is everything one needs to know about the subject. Abortion is
the murder of a human being.
No, it isn't.
Abortion is death.
So is lunch.
Was it done through murder
Since murder is illegal and abortion is legal it clearly is not
murder.
or compassion ?
Irrelevant. No reason or explanation is required for the freedom of
choice. Or justification.
Death is not illegal.
True.
Is it murder or compassion to permit a brain-dead woman to die
by the will of her spouse ?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/07/26/national/main631915.shtml
Irrelevant and a matter of local law.
How is this different from allowing an undeveloped fetus' brain to die
by the will of her mother ?
A fetus has no rights or protections.
How many women have only one abortion ?
How many women have had two, three, four,... abortions ?
Irrelevant.
Too much compassion becomes murder.
Impossible.
How "compassionate" does Bush have to be before it's called murder:
http://www.cnn.com/2004/ALLPOLITICS/06/07/stem.cell.ap/
How many couples have had multiple miscarriages trying to have
children while using fertility drugs ?
Is it an abortion to be "reborn", to alter one's fate ?
http://www.tvtome.com/tvtome/servlet/ShowMainServlet/showid-18722/
Should we make recreation of creation ?
Abortions under the Clintion Administration decline:
http://www.religioustolerance.org/abo_fact.htm
Abortions under the Bush Administration increase:
http://www.christianpost.com/dbase/society/1096/section/1.htm
Should both the born and the unborn be called upon to make
sacrifices for others ?
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/10/31/60minutes/main652491.shtml
All irrelevant, except an 'unborn', since it does not exist, cannot
make a sacrifice.
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| User: "Some-Writer" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral People |
31 Oct 2004 11:47:45 PM |
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On 31 Oct 2004 19:56:31 -0800, (J Young) wrote:
(GOOD RIDDANCE on Nov. 2nd to Dishonest Warmonger-in-Thief G.W. Bush!) wrote in message news:<418a3231.8730211@netnews.mchsi.com>...
On Sun, 31 Oct 2004 17:31:21 GMT,
Hateful Bigot, "free radical" <titus213@pacbell.net> spewed:
Abortion and embryonic stem sell research are clearly evil...
Bullcrap!! Abortion is a hugely-beneficial REMEDY. See SIG.
And embryonic stem cell research hold the promise of medical
breakthroughs that can benefit millions of people. Only a total
FOOL would oppose it!
Thus, moral people must vote Nov. 2 to...
Elect KERRY, and rescue America from the tyrranical agendas
of the UN-Christian "Religious" Radical Right cult.
-- Craig Chilton
~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~*~
ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryoes &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
That is everything one needs to know about the subject. Abortion is
A woman's choice you have no business denying her/manadating her to
have.
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| User: "RainLover" |
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| Title: Re: A Message to Moral People |
01 Nov 2004 04:20:54 PM |
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On 31 Oct 2004 19:56:31 -0800, (J Young) wrote:
ANALYZING ABORTION-ON-REQUEST* in the USA
*(Abortion Rights as they have existed since 1-22-73)
Abortion terminates entities (z/e/fs: zygotes, embryoes &
fetuses, up until the 7th month of gestation) which have ALL
of these characteristics in common with sperm and ova:
-- Human
That is everything one needs to know about the subject. Abortion is
the murder of a human being.
Is a 2-cell zygote a 'baby'? for every one of these that come
full-term, over 20,000 of them are naturally and medically aborted.
Are you in favor of giving proper funerals for these "babies"?
Should we prosecute and imprison women who improperly dispose of a
corpse (ie: flush them)?
Why wouldn't you give a 2-celled, naturally aborted zygote a full
funeral with casket and a service?
Why? Because for all your ranting about 'babies', you don't believe 2
cells are a 'baby' either.
If you DO think that 2 cells are a 'baby' then wouldn't Forcing the
sperm and egg to remain apart be stopping a life just as much as
aborting 2 or 4 or 8 cells?
MILLIONS of Christians believe that birth control is as evil as
abortion... are you opposed to birth control as well?
James, Seattle
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