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"Andrew W" |
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21 Jan 2008 02:59:58 AM |
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A question Christians can't properly answer |
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
--
Andrew W.
Belief and faith should not be coerced. Everyone should come to the truth
naturally in their own time. That is free will and free choice. When belief
and faith are coerced with threats of punishment and damnation then the
messenger is from the dark side. ~ anonymous.
You must unlearn what you have learned. ~ Yoda
Channelled lessons about ET's, ascended masters like Jesus Christ, spirit
guides, earth changes.
http://www.spiritnexus.com/audio/channeling/index.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Jayne Cobb" |
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| Title: Re: A question a Christian can properly answer |
21 Jan 2008 09:32:24 AM |
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On Jan 21, 12:59=A0am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
I don't recall any part of the story stating that the creation was
perfect in the sense that it could not make mistakes. The problem is
in how we define 'perfect' for both creator and created.
JC
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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21 Jan 2008 03:19:42 PM |
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"Jayne Cobb" <hsototr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:60bea773-aef7-4e4d-bf84-b7f548aef8b8@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 12:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
I don't recall any part of the story stating that the creation was
perfect in the sense that it could not make mistakes. The problem is
in how we define 'perfect' for both creator and created.
The classic definition of perfection is that nothing is flawed and nothing
ever goes wrong.
If creation according to Christianity was meant to experience hitches to
create diversity and growth then there would be provision for that, but
there isn't because Christianity teaches severe divine punishment in
hellfire for the smallest deviation.
True growth cannot happen if there is fear because of callous threats of
death and torture.
Does this not sound like tyranny?
Christianity will some day have to let go of this kind of extreme legalistic
and authoritarian thinking. It doesn't work.
--
Andrew W.
Belief and faith should not be coerced. Everyone should come to the truth
naturally in their own time. That is free will and free choice. When belief
and faith are coerced with threats of punishment and damnation then the
messenger is from the dark side. ~ anonymous.
You must unlearn what you have learned. ~ Yoda
Channelled lessons about ET's, ascended masters like Jesus Christ, spirit
guides, earth changes.
http://www.spiritnexus.com/audio/channeling/index.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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21 Jan 2008 04:23:49 PM |
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Andrew W wrote:
"Jayne Cobb" <hsototr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:60bea773-aef7-4e4d-bf84-b7f548aef8b8@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 12:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
I don't recall any part of the story stating that the creation was
perfect in the sense that it could not make mistakes. The problem is
in how we define 'perfect' for both creator and created.
The classic definition of perfection is that nothing is flawed and nothing
ever goes wrong.
If creation according to Christianity was meant to experience hitches to
create diversity and growth then there would be provision for that, but
there isn't because Christianity teaches severe divine punishment in
hellfire for the smallest deviation.
True growth cannot happen if there is fear because of callous threats of
death and torture.
Does this not sound like tyranny?
Christianity will some day have to let go of this kind of extreme legalistic
and authoritarian thinking. It doesn't work.
===>Bishop Marcion and other "heretics"
attempted to discard the OT
fables, but the Church chose to retain
and insist on believing them -- L.
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| User: "Jayne Cobb" |
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| Title: Re: A question a Christian can properly answer |
21 Jan 2008 04:57:58 PM |
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On Jan 21, 1:19=A0pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
"Jayne Cobb" <hsot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:60bea773-aef7-4e4d-bf84-b7f548aef8b8@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 12:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
I don't recall any part of the story stating that the creation was
perfect in the sense that it could not make mistakes. =A0The problem is
in how we define 'perfect' for both creator and created.
The classic definition of perfection is that nothing is flawed and nothing=
ever goes wrong.
Classic definitions do not apply to all cases. What you are talking
about is similar to asking what happens when an irresistible force
meets an immovable object. Obviously you can't have both an
irresistible force and an immovable object. Likewise in the creation
story we can't have the fall of man and infallible man.
If creation according to Christianity was meant to experience hitches to
create diversity and growth then there would be provision for that, but
there isn't because Christianity teaches severe divine punishment in
hellfire for the smallest deviation.
Perhaps you would have better luck looking at what was accomplished in
the story and then deriving the purpose from the results.
True growth cannot happen if there is fear because of callous threats of
death and torture.
Does this not sound like tyranny?
Were you trolling so that you could get up on your soap box and talk
about tyranny?
Christianity will some day have to let go of this kind of extreme legalist=
ic
and authoritarian thinking. It doesn't work.
It doesn't work in what sense?
JC
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22 Jan 2008 01:34:18 AM |
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"Jayne Cobb" <hsototr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:275470b4-8cca-4f14-97c5-711d1b38681e@l1g2000hsa.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 1:19 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
"Jayne Cobb" <hsot...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:60bea773-aef7-4e4d-bf84-b7f548aef8b8@u10g2000prn.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 12:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
I don't recall any part of the story stating that the creation was
perfect in the sense that it could not make mistakes. The problem is
in how we define 'perfect' for both creator and created.
The classic definition of perfection is that nothing is flawed and
nothing
ever goes wrong.
Classic definitions do not apply to all cases. What you are talking
about is similar to asking what happens when an irresistible force
irresistible force and an immovable object. Likewise in the creation
story we can't have the fall of man and infallible man.
Infallible creators create superior progeny. Like creates like, unless of
course the creator wanted them to fail for some reason.
If creation according to Christianity was meant to experience hitches to
create diversity and growth then there would be provision for that, but
there isn't because Christianity teaches severe divine punishment in
hellfire for the smallest deviation.
Perhaps you would have better luck looking at what was accomplished in
the story and then deriving the purpose from the results.
There is nothing accomplished in the story.
There isn't enough information in the story to be able to create any useful
picture, which makes me wonder why some people believe in it so strongly.
True growth cannot happen if there is fear because of callous threats of
death and torture.
Does this not sound like tyranny?
Were you trolling so that you could get up on your soap box and talk
about tyranny?
Everyone should be speaking out against tyranny.
Christianity will some day have to let go of this kind of extreme
legalistic
and authoritarian thinking. It doesn't work.
It doesn't work in what sense?
Evil in this world has not been conquered. Far from it in fact.
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| User: "Jayne Cobb" |
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| Title: Re: A question a Christian can properly answer |
22 Jan 2008 02:33:49 AM |
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On Jan 21, 11:34=A0pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
[...]
The classic definition of perfection is that nothing is flawed and
nothing
ever goes wrong.
Classic definitions do not apply to all cases. =A0What you are talking
about is similar to asking what happens when an irresistible force
irresistible force and an immovable object. =A0Likewise in the creation
story we can't have the fall of man and infallible man.
Infallible creators create superior progeny.
And you know this based on your extensive study of infallible
creators?
Like creates like,
On what do you base this assumption?
. . . unless of
course the creator wanted them to fail for some reason.
It's a safe bet that he wanted them to have the ability to fail.
If creation according to Christianity was meant to experience hitches t=
o
create diversity and growth then there would be provision for that, but=
there isn't because Christianity teaches severe divine punishment in
hellfire for the smallest deviation.
Perhaps you would have better luck looking at what was accomplished in
the story and then deriving the purpose from the results.
There is nothing accomplished in the story.
I thought you were talking about Genesis rather that a story that does
not exist.
There isn't enough information in the story to be able to create any usefu=
l
picture, which makes me wonder why some people believe in it so strongly.
Have you lost track of what we were talking about? Any useful picture
is a very low standard that even nursery rhymes can reach. I don't
think you are being serious. Give yourself a big pat on the back for
tricking me.
True growth cannot happen if there is fear because of callous threats o=
f
death and torture.
Does this not sound like tyranny?
Were you trolling so that you could get up on your soap box and talk
about tyranny?
Everyone should be speaking out against tyranny.
Especially when you believe the tyranny in question does not exist in
the real world?
Christianity will some day have to let go of this kind of extreme
legalistic
and authoritarian thinking. It doesn't work.
It doesn't work in what sense?
Evil in this world has not been conquered. Far from it in fact.
Well, if you are going to redefine terms relative to a story you can
make any claim you like about it. The only trouble is the more you
stretch it the less meaningful you claims will be.
JC
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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| Title: Re: A question a Christian can properly answer |
22 Jan 2008 03:28:37 AM |
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"Jayne Cobb" <hsototr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
news:4795b072$0$31016$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Jayne Cobb" <hsototr@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:37e144d2-3aea-4231-8c45-99346589a868@n20g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 11:34 pm, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
[...]
The classic definition of perfection is that nothing is flawed and
nothing
ever goes wrong.
Classic definitions do not apply to all cases. What you are talking
about is similar to asking what happens when an irresistible force
irresistible force and an immovable object. Likewise in the creation
story we can't have the fall of man and infallible man.
Infallible creators create superior progeny.
And you know this based on your extensive study of infallible
creators?
Why would a supreme creator produce something faulty?
Like creates like,
On what do you base this assumption?
What we can see is that plants and animals procreate copies of themselves.
It would be illogical for a supreme creator to produce something opposite to
itself.
It is said that we are created in God's image.
. . . unless of
course the creator wanted them to fail for some reason.
It's a safe bet that he wanted them to have the ability to fail.
Ability to fail is ok, but why did they actually fail? Something that was
created by a supreme being should have passed the test with flying colours,
and doing so would not have invalidated free will.
If creation according to Christianity was meant to experience hitches
to
create diversity and growth then there would be provision for that,
but
there isn't because Christianity teaches severe divine punishment in
hellfire for the smallest deviation.
Perhaps you would have better luck looking at what was accomplished in
the story and then deriving the purpose from the results.
There is nothing accomplished in the story.
I thought you were talking about Genesis rather that a story that does
not exist.
I *was* referring to Genesis. It doesn't contain a lot of detail about what
happened.
There isn't enough information in the story to be able to create any
useful
picture, which makes me wonder why some people believe in it so strongly.
Have you lost track of what we were talking about? Any useful picture
is a very low standard that even nursery rhymes can reach. I don't
think you are being serious. Give yourself a big pat on the back for
tricking me.
True growth cannot happen if there is fear because of callous threats
of
death and torture.
Does this not sound like tyranny?
Were you trolling so that you could get up on your soap box and talk
about tyranny?
Everyone should be speaking out against tyranny.
Especially when you believe the tyranny in question does not exist in
the real world?
It does. The tyranny leaders are called preachers and clergy, spreading
ideas of submission, intolerance, fear, guilt and doom.
Leading to stagnation in spiritual and social development, which ultimately
lead to wars and global destruction.
Christianity will some day have to let go of this kind of extreme
legalistic
and authoritarian thinking. It doesn't work.
It doesn't work in what sense?
Evil in this world has not been conquered. Far from it in fact.
Well, if you are going to redefine terms relative to a story you can
make any claim you like about it. The only trouble is the more you
stretch it the less meaningful you claims will be.
Do you believe that the Christian version of God has been successful in his
quest?
--
Andrew W.
Belief and faith should not be coerced. Everyone should come to the truth
naturally in their own time. That is free will and free choice. When belief
and faith are coerced with threats of punishment and damnation then the
messenger is from the dark side. ~ anonymous.
You must unlearn what you have learned. ~ Yoda
Channelled lessons about ET's, ascended masters like Jesus Christ, spirit
guides, earth changes.
http://www.spiritnexus.com/audio/channeling/index.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Jayne Cobb" |
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| Title: Re: A question a Christian can properly answer |
22 Jan 2008 10:59:30 AM |
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On Jan 22, 1:28=A0am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
[...]
Infallible creators create superior progeny.
And you know this based on your extensive study of infallible
creators?
Why would a supreme creator produce something faulty?
It takes more than just this question to assume they wouldn't.
Like creates like,
On what do you base this assumption?
What we can see is that plants and animals procreate copies of themselves.=
Procreation isn't the only way to create. There is art, design and
construction. In such methods we see that the better creator has the
potential to make a better creation. Yet putting that into practice
requires hard work and good old fashioned trial and error. One does
not make a Mona Lisa the first time they pick up a paint brush.
Applying this back to Genesis the creator in the story is not perfect
in the sense that he creates perfect creations.
It would be illogical for a supreme creator to produce something opposite =
to
itself.
You know this because you have discovered what kinds of supreme
creators can exist and which ones can't? If that is the case then
show us your research so we can repeat your experiments.
It is said that we are created in God's image.
This in no way implies a level of flawlessness that is neither present
in creator nor created.
. . . =A0unless of
course the creator wanted them to fail for some reason.
It's a safe bet that he wanted them to have the ability to fail.
Ability to fail is ok, but why did they actually fail?
Now that is a question I can't answer. I do not know. I haven't
studied the story enough to even make an educated guess. If I were to
make a wild guess it would be because so often children make choices
that displease their parents.
Something that was
created by a supreme being should have passed the test with flying colours=
,
and doing so would not have invalidated free will.
I don't know where you get this assumption.
[...]
Perhaps you would have better luck looking at what was accomplished in=
the story and then deriving the purpose from the results.
There is nothing accomplished in the story.
I thought you were talking about Genesis rather that a story that does
not exist.
I *was* referring to Genesis.
Then why do you make false claims about the story?
It doesn't contain a lot of detail about what
happened.
'Not a lot' is not the same as nothing. Now that we are past your
exaggeration why don't you take the events in the story and their
consequences and look at what results to draw your conclusion about
the story's meaning. Even less happened in Humpty Dumpty but we can
still use the same method to figure out that its meaning is that risky
behavior can result in falling down which in turn can cause injury.
[...]
Everyone should be speaking out against tyranny.
Especially when you believe the tyranny in question does not exist in
the real world?
It does. The tyranny leaders are called preachers and clergy, spreading
ideas of submission, intolerance, fear, guilt and doom.
Leading to stagnation in spiritual and social development, which ultimatel=
y
lead to wars and global destruction.
So you have redefined tyranny to the point that it is meaningless.
Christianity will some day have to let go of this kind of extreme
legalistic
and authoritarian thinking. It doesn't work.
It doesn't work in what sense?
Evil in this world has not been conquered. Far from it in fact.
Well, if you are going to redefine terms relative to a story you can
make any claim you like about it. =A0The only trouble is the more you
stretch it the less meaningful you claims will be.
=A0Do you believe that the Christian version of God has been successful in=
his
quest?
Yes. But keep in mind that it doesn't accomplish anything when you
redefine that quest till all the terms become meaningless. You
declare God unsuccessful because he didn't meet ~your~ goals but you
ignore God's goals. Do you have proof that beyond space-time as we
know it there is a hell and after they die all Christians are headed
there regardless of their religious activities and beliefs?
If you like you can declare that you think the story is a fairy tail
but that isn't the same thing as proving the God of the story failed.
You wouldn't declare that the tortoise and the hare both lost the race
because they don't exist in the real world.
JC
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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21 Jan 2008 03:44:10 PM |
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Jayne Cobb wrote:
On Jan 21, 12:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
I don't recall any part of the story stating that the creation was
perfect in the sense that it could not make mistakes. The problem is
in how we define 'perfect' for both creator and created.
JC
===>"The problem is" you can define "perfect" and even "God"
any way you choose.
So, any arguments against your beliefs are worthless, you just
change the meaning, twist the phrase, move the goalpost, in order
not to have to think and eveluate your doctrinal prejudices.
And I don't just men YOU, I mean all Christians of all sects of
all times.
FOR EVERY SECTARIAN DOCTRINE
THERE IS AN EQUAL AND POOPSITE SECTARIAN DOCTRINE,
EACH CLAIMED TO BE BASED ON THE BIBLE
AND/OR THE HOLY GHOST/SPIRIT.
The Law of Sects. -- L.
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| User: "Jayne Cobb" |
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| Title: Re: A question a Christian can properly answer |
22 Jan 2008 03:24:55 PM |
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On Jan 21, 1:44=A0pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>
wrote:
Jayne Cobb wrote:
On Jan 21, 12:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
I don't recall any part of the story stating that the creation was
perfect in the sense that it could not make mistakes. =A0The problem is
in how we define 'perfect' for both creator and created.
JC
=3D=3D=3D>"The problem is" you can define "perfect" and even "God"
any way you choose.
That is an inherent problem with language. People can define any term
any way they want and IMO this leads to much disagreement.
So, any arguments against your beliefs are worthless,
I wouldn't say that. We can use logic to rule out certain
definitions.
you just
change the meaning, twist the phrase, move the goalpost, in order
not to have to think and eveluate your doctrinal prejudices.
Please let me know if you see a specific example.
And I don't just men YOU, I mean all Christians of all sects of
all times.
If we are going to generalize we might as well extend it to the rest
of humanity. We do this for politics and other fields as well.
JC
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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22 Jan 2008 11:12:56 PM |
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Jayne Cobb wrote:
On Jan 21, 1:44 pm, Libertarius <Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth>
wrote:
Jayne Cobb wrote:
On Jan 21, 12:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
I don't recall any part of the story stating that the creation was
perfect in the sense that it could not make mistakes. The problem is
in how we define 'perfect' for both creator and created.
JC
===>"The problem is" you can define "perfect" and even "God"
any way you choose.
That is an inherent problem with language. People can define any term
any way they want and IMO this leads to much disagreement.
So, any arguments against your beliefs are worthless,
I wouldn't say that. We can use logic to rule out certain
definitions.
you just
change the meaning, twist the phrase, move the goalpost, in order
not to have to think and eveluate your doctrinal prejudices.
Please let me know if you see a specific example.
And I don't just men YOU, I mean all Christians of all sects of
all times.
If we are going to generalize we might as well extend it to the rest
of humanity. We do this for politics and other fields as well.
===>That is correct.
If you disagree with Christian doctrines, you will always find
another religion to lead you into a world of fantasy and delusion. -- L.
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| User: "duke" |
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21 Jan 2008 07:05:38 AM |
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On Jan 21, 2:59=A0am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
A&E decided they know better than God and told him "no". We are faced
with the same choices today - God (of the spirit) or me (of the
flesh).
A&E, and you and I, are faced with that choice. There is no such
thing as once saved, always saved.
Choose wisely.
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| User: "Witziges Rätsel" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
21 Jan 2008 08:01:49 AM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
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| User: "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
21 Jan 2008 08:38:49 AM |
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Witziges Rätsel wrote:
| "duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
| news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
| On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
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|>> If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
|>> creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
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|> Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
|>
| What free will?
| In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
| other gods before me!"
| He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
| of those other gods."
| Do you understand what "free will" means?
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No, it's Earl "Puke" Weber. He does not understand what thinking means.
~ Much less free will.
- --
There are none more ignorant and useless,
than they that seek answers on their knees,
with their eyes closed.
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Rev. Karl E. Taylor http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/
A.A #1143 http://scienceblogs.com/aardvarchaeology/
Apostle of Dr. Lao EAC: Virgin Conversion Unit Director
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21 Jan 2008 01:45:56 PM |
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On Jan 21, 8:38=A0am, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylo...@getnet.net>
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Witziges R=E4tsel wrote:
| "duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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| On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>| w=
rote:
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|>> If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest=
|>> creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
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|> Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
|>
| =A0 =A0 What free will?
| =A0 =A0 In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
| other gods before me!"
| =A0 =A0 He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
| of those other gods."
| =A0 =A0 Do you understand what "free will" means?
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No, it's Earl "Puke" Weber. =A0He does not understand what thinking means.=
~ Much less free will.
I got you covered on both issue. And it's not going to be pretty for
you for all eternity.
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| User: "Syd M." |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
21 Jan 2008 11:25:01 PM |
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On Jan 21, 2:45 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:38 am, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylo...@getnet.net>
wrote:
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Witziges R=E4tsel wrote:
| "duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
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| On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>|=
wrote:
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|>> If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greate=
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|>> creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
|>>
|> Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
|>
| What free will?
| In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
| other gods before me!"
| He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
| of those other gods."
| Do you understand what "free will" means?
|
No, it's Earl "Puke" Weber. He does not understand what thinking means.=
~ Much less free will.
I got you covered on both issue. And it's not going to be pretty for
you for all eternity.
You got nothing, Dork. You can't even prove this crap exist or will
happen.
And we don't believe you. Sucks, donnit?
PDW
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
21 Jan 2008 11:09:02 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:38 am, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylo...@getnet.net>
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Witziges Rätsel wrote:
| "duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
|news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
| On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>| wrote:
|
|>> If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
|>> creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
|>>
|> Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
|>
| What free will?
| In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
| other gods before me!"
| He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
| of those other gods."
| Do you understand what "free will" means?
|
No, it's Earl "Puke" Weber. He does not understand what thinking means.
~ Much less free will.
I got you covered on both issue. And it's not going to be pretty for
you for all eternity.
....is that all you have Duke, primitive fables about living forever ?
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
22 Jan 2008 11:27:16 AM |
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On Jan 21, 11:09=A0pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:38=A0am, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylo...@getnet.net>
wrote:
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Witziges R=E4tsel wrote:
| "duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
|news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com=
....
| On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au=
| wrote:
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|>> If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his grea=
test
|>> creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
|>>
|> Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
|>
| =A0 =A0 What free will?
| =A0 =A0 In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
| other gods before me!"
| =A0 =A0 He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
| of those other gods."
| =A0 =A0 Do you understand what "free will" means?
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No, it's Earl "Puke" Weber. =A0He does not understand what thinking me=
ans.
~ Much less free will.
I got you covered on both issue. =A0And it's not going to be pretty for
you for all eternity.
...is that all you have Duke, primitive fables about living forever =A0?- =
Hide quoted text -
You too will find out the truth for sure the moment you die when you
will stand before almighty God to answer for that which you did while
in the flesh.
Best of luck.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
22 Jan 2008 05:15:09 PM |
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On 22 Jan., 18:27, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 21, 11:09=A0pm, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Jan 21, 8:38=A0am, "Rev. Karl E. Taylor" <ktaylo...@getnet.net>
wrote:
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Witziges R=E4tsel wrote:
| "duke" <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote in message
|news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.c=
om...
| On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.=
au>| wrote:
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|>> If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his gr=
eatest
|>> creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
|>>
|> Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
|>
| =A0 =A0 What free will?
| =A0 =A0 In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
| other gods before me!"
| =A0 =A0 He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any=
| of those other gods."
| =A0 =A0 Do you understand what "free will" means?
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No, it's Earl "Puke" Weber. =A0He does not understand what thinking =
means.
~ Much less free will.
I got you covered on both issue. =A0And it's not going to be pretty fo=
r
you for all eternity.
...is that all you have Duke, primitive fables about living forever =A0?=
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You too will find out the truth for sure the moment you die when you
will stand before almighty God to answer for that which you did while
in the flesh.
Best of luck.- `
And here you go, threatening us...
***** you, *****.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
22 Jan 2008 05:20:47 PM |
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You too will find out the truth for sure the moment you die when you
will stand before almighty God to answer for that which you did while
in the flesh.
Best of luck.- `
And here you go, threatening us...
***** you, *****.- Hide quoted text -
I'm not threatening you any more than if I told you the sun will shine
tomorrow.
Time to start a change in your life, little nazi boy.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
23 Jan 2008 01:01:24 AM |
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On 23 jan, 00:20, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
You too will find out the truth for sure the moment you die when you
will stand before almighty God to answer for that which you did while
in the flesh.
Best of luck.- `
And here you go, threatening us...
***** you, *****.- Hide quoted text -
I'm not threatening you any more than if I told you the sun will shine
tomorrow.
Yes you are and you know it very well, hypocrite sack of *****.
Time to start a change in your life, little nazi boy.
We're not interested in your sexual obsession with men wearing
leather, Puke.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
23 Jan 2008 07:12:56 AM |
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On Jan 23, 1:01=A0am, wrote:
I'm not threatening you any more than if I told you the sun will shine
tomorrow.
Yes you are and you know it very well, hypocrite sack of *****.
Noooooooo. I'm not. I'm trying to help you.
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| User: "Syd" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
23 Jan 2008 03:19:16 PM |
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On Jan 23, 8:12 am, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Jan 23, 1:01 am, wrote:
I'm not threatening you any more than if I told you the sun will shine
tomorrow.
Yes you are and you know it very well, hypocrite sack of *****.
Noooooooo. I'm not. I'm trying to help you.
Nooooo! Your trying to make yourself feel smug and superior.
You don't fool us, Earl.
PDW
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
23 Jan 2008 03:13:36 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Jan 23, 1:01 am, wrote:
I'm not threatening you any more than if I told you the sun will shine
tomorrow.
Yes you are and you know it very well, hypocrite sack of *****.
Noooooooo. I'm not. I'm trying to help you.
....never mind that you don't have the right to "help" those who aren't
interested in your self-serving approach, Fraud Earl.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Hamilton 2, Houston 1 (January 20)
NEXT GAME: Friday, January 25 vs. San Antonio, 7:35
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
23 Jan 2008 03:39:13 PM |
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On Jan 23, 3:13=A0pm, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> writes:
On Jan 23, 1:01=A0am, wrote:
I'm not threatening you any more than if I told you the sun will shin=
e
tomorrow.
Yes you are and you know it very well, hypocrite sack of *****.
Noooooooo. =A0I'm not. =A0I'm trying to help you.
...never mind that you don't have the right to "help" those who aren't
interested in your self-serving approach, Fraud Earl.
I am called by God to help them. They don't have to take it. But
don't cry when the end comes and you get the downtown ticket. I
tried.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
23 Jan 2008 11:47:24 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Jan 23, 3:13 pm, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> writes:
On Jan 23, 1:01 am, wrote:
I'm not threatening you any more than if I told you the sun will shine
tomorrow.
Yes you are and you know it very well, hypocrite sack of *****.
Noooooooo. I'm not. I'm trying to help you.
...never mind that you don't have the right to "help" those who aren't
interested in your self-serving approach, Fraud Earl.
I am called by God to help them. They don't have to take it. But
don't cry when the end comes and you get the downtown ticket. I
tried.
When the end comes, I won't know anything. That's none of your business,
Fraud Earl.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Hamilton 2, Houston 1 (January 20)
NEXT GAME: Friday, January 25 vs. San Antonio, 7:35
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
24 Jan 2008 06:31:15 AM |
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On Jan 23, 11:47=A0pm, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> writes:
On Jan 23, 3:13=A0pm, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> writes:
On Jan 23, 1:01=A0am, wrote:
I'm not threatening you any more than if I told you the sun will s=
hine
tomorrow.
Yes you are and you know it very well, hypocrite sack of *****.
Noooooooo. =A0I'm not. =A0I'm trying to help you.
...never mind that you don't have the right to "help" those who aren't
interested in your self-serving approach, Fraud Earl.
I am called by God to help them. =A0They don't have to take it. =A0But
don't cry when the end comes and you get the downtown ticket. =A0I
tried.
When the end comes, I won't know anything. =A0That's none of your business=
,
There's only been one man that's gone there and come back to talk
about it, and he says you're wrong, west loop.
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| User: "The Chief Instigator" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
24 Jan 2008 01:04:45 PM |
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duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> writes:
On Jan 23, 11:47 pm, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> writes:
On Jan 23, 3:13 pm, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> writes:
On Jan 23, 1:01 am, wrote:
I'm not threatening you any more than if I told you the sun will
shine tomorrow.
Yes you are and you know it very well, hypocrite sack of *****.
Noooooooo. I'm not. I'm trying to help you.
...never mind that you don't have the right to "help" those who aren't
interested in your self-serving approach, Fraud Earl.
I am called by God to help them. They don't have to take it. But
don't cry when the end comes and you get the downtown ticket. I
tried.
When the end comes, I won't know anything. That's none of your business,
There's only been one man that's gone there and come back to talk
about it, and he says you're wrong, west loop.
I'm not responsible for the voices in your head, Waffle House Boy.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2007-08 Houston Aeros) AA#2273
LAST GAME: Hamilton 2, Houston 1 (January 20)
NEXT GAME: Friday, January 25 vs. San Antonio, 7:35
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: A question Christians can't properly answer |
24 Jan 2008 02:54:02 PM |
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On Jan 24, 1:04=A0pm, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> writes:
On Jan 23, 11:47=A0pm, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> writes:
On Jan 23, 3:13=A0pm, The Chief Instigator <patr...@io.com> wrote:
duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> writes:
On Jan 23, 1:01=A0am, wrote:
I'm not threatening you any more than if I told you the sun wil=
l
shine tomorrow.
Yes you are and you know it very well, hypocrite sack of *****.
Noooooooo. =A0I'm not. =A0I'm trying to help you.
...never mind that you don't have the right to "help" those who aren=
't
interested in your self-serving approach, Fraud Earl.
I am called by God to help them. =A0They don't have to take it. =A0But=
don't cry when the end comes and you get the downtown ticket. =A0I
tried.
When the end comes, I won't know anything. =A0That's none of your busin=
ess,
There's only been one man that's gone there and come back to talk
about it, and he says you're wrong, west loop.
I'm not responsible for the voices in your head, Waffle House Boy.
But you are for the voices in YOUR head.
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| User: "Auntie Christstain" |
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22 Jan 2008 05:33:00 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:8315161e-52d7-4d69-a63e-473b3bc9614a@d4g2000prg.googlegroups.com...
On Jan 21, 2:59 am, "Andrew W" <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au>
wrote:
If God is perfect and creates perfect things then why did his greatest
creations Adam and Eve fail such a simple test?
Real Christians know the answer to that one - free will.
What free will?
In Deuteronomy 5, Jehovah commands: "You should have no
other gods before me!"
He doesn't give a balanced choice: "You may have me or any
of those other gods."
Do you understand what "free will" means?
"free will" or Free Willy? Only difference is the caged mind is imprisoned by
any Theocracy...
--
"Theocracy Is Dead...Long Live The Sin"=81
-- Auntie Christstain=81
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