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"Richard Dawkins" |
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29 Nov 2005 10:17:56 AM |
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A Scientific Critique of Evolution |
Evolutionists often claim that if the evolutionary process were hung up on a
small local adaptive maximum, a large genetic change like a recombination,
or other genetic rearrangement, could bring it to another hill that has a
higher peak, and place it higher up on that hill than it was before. Large
adaptive changes are, however, highly improbable. They are orders of
magnitude less probable than getting an adaptive change with a single
nucleotide substitution, which is itself improbable. No one has shown this
to be possible either.
http://www.trueorigin.org/spetner1.asp
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| User: "Yournameheres personal Cthulhu" |
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| Title: Re: A Scientific Critique of Evolution |
29 Nov 2005 11:49:39 AM |
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"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> suddenly spluttered:
Evolutionists often claim that if the evolutionary process were hung up on a
small local adaptive maximum, a large genetic change like a recombination,
or other genetic rearrangement, could bring it to another hill that has a
higher peak, and place it higher up on that hill than it was before. Large
adaptive changes are, however, highly improbable. They are orders of
magnitude less probable than getting an adaptive change with a single
nucleotide substitution, which is itself improbable. No one has shown this
to be possible either.
http://www.trueorigin.org/spetner1.asp
IOW, tired old bait-and-switch whereby people who call themselves
scientists present their overtly political agenda as objectivity
whilst accusing proper scientists of having a political agenda. The
last sentence is the damning indictment of the whole article, being a
blatand ad-hominem attack on his protagonist disguised as a
compliment. This is politics, not science.
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Conflict over the exact will/purpose/nature of God cannot ever be
resolved, since there are no facts to go on.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
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| User: "John" |
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| Title: Re: A Scientific Critique of Evolution |
20 Dec 2005 02:15:58 PM |
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<Yournamehere>'s personal Cthulhu wrote:
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> suddenly spluttered:
Evolutionists often claim that if the evolutionary process were hung up on a
small local adaptive maximum, a large genetic change like a recombination,
or other genetic rearrangement, could bring it to another hill that has a
higher peak, and place it higher up on that hill than it was before. Large
adaptive changes are, however, highly improbable. They are orders of
magnitude less probable than getting an adaptive change with a single
nucleotide substitution, which is itself improbable. No one has shown this
to be possible either.
http://www.trueorigin.org/spetner1.asp
IOW, tired old bait-and-switch whereby people who call themselves
scientists present their overtly political agenda as objectivity
whilst accusing proper scientists of having a political agenda. The
last sentence is the damning indictment of the whole article, being a
blatand ad-hominem attack on his protagonist disguised as a
compliment. This is politics, not science.
D Silverman FLAHN, SMLAHN
AA #2208
IOW, when you can't address the issues brought
up about questionable evolutionary theories,
you resort to criticizing the person. Then
again, perhaps you don't think that a theory
should be questioned?
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| User: "Guayarakun" |
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| Title: Re: A Scientific Critique of Evolution |
29 Nov 2005 02:29:47 PM |
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"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> suddenly spluttered:
~There are no Christian newsgroups.~
Fixed your sig for you, and you know what? You don't even have to
thank me!
Luv
Guayarakun
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: A Scientific Critique of Evolution |
29 Nov 2005 11:53:53 PM |
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"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in
news:Ra%if.18$bP4.284@news.uswest.net:
Evolutionists often claim that if the evolutionary process were hung
up on a small local adaptive maximum, a large genetic change like a
recombination, or other genetic rearrangement, could bring it to
another hill that has a higher peak, and place it higher up on that
hill than it was before. Large adaptive changes are, however, highly
improbable. They are orders of magnitude less probable than getting
an adaptive change with a single nucleotide substitution, which is
itself improbable. No one has shown this to be possible either.
Still waiting for you to explain how the chimps and we humans got the
heritable debris from a whole bunch of identical genetic accidents? I
mean, *I* have an explanation. We share a common ancestor with them and
inherited the same debris. But you claim that's not true. So where did it
come from? In YOUR scientific theory...
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Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: A Scientific Critique of Evolution |
30 Nov 2005 04:19:05 PM |
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Dave Oldridge wrote:
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in
news:Ra%if.18$bP4.284@news.uswest.net:
Evolutionists often claim that if the evolutionary process were hung
up on a small local adaptive maximum, a large genetic change like a
recombination, or other genetic rearrangement, could bring it to
another hill that has a higher peak, and place it higher up on that
hill than it was before. Large adaptive changes are, however, highly
improbable. They are orders of magnitude less probable than getting
an adaptive change with a single nucleotide substitution, which is
itself improbable. No one has shown this to be possible either.
Still waiting for you to explain how the chimps and we humans got the
heritable debris from a whole bunch of identical genetic accidents? I
mean, *I* have an explanation. We share a common ancestor with them and
inherited the same debris. But you claim that's not true. So where did it
come from? In YOUR scientific theory...
===>That is not very nice, Dave ;-) (not that I am typically very nice),
since I am sure you know Richard has no "scientific theory", only a
denial of the real scientific theory.
Perhaps the Omphalos idea might work for him: the "designer(s)"
created humans and chimps to make it look like they were descended
from common ancestors. ;-)
Happy Advent Season. -- L.
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| User: "Dave Oldridge" |
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| Title: Re: A Scientific Critique of Evolution |
01 Dec 2005 02:18:11 AM |
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Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in
news:438E2559.D8956FD@Nothing_But_The.Truth:
Dave Oldridge wrote:
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in
news:Ra%if.18$bP4.284@news.uswest.net:
Evolutionists often claim that if the evolutionary process were
hung up on a small local adaptive maximum, a large genetic change
like a recombination, or other genetic rearrangement, could bring
it to another hill that has a higher peak, and place it higher up
on that hill than it was before. Large adaptive changes are,
however, highly improbable. They are orders of magnitude less
probable than getting an adaptive change with a single nucleotide
substitution, which is itself improbable. No one has shown this to
be possible either.
Still waiting for you to explain how the chimps and we humans got the
heritable debris from a whole bunch of identical genetic accidents?
I mean, *I* have an explanation. We share a common ancestor with
them and inherited the same debris. But you claim that's not true.
So where did it come from? In YOUR scientific theory...
===>That is not very nice, Dave ;-) (not that I am typically very
nice), since I am sure you know Richard has no "scientific theory",
only a denial of the real scientific theory.
Perhaps the Omphalos idea might work for him: the "designer(s)"
created humans and chimps to make it look like they were descended
from common ancestors. ;-)
Happy Advent Season. -- L.
Same to you. And I notice that he's doing a very good imitation of
someone who has no answers to these questions.
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Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: A Scientific Critique of Evolution |
01 Dec 2005 02:11:30 PM |
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Dave Oldridge wrote:
Libertarius <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in
news:438E2559.D8956FD@Nothing_But_The.Truth:
Dave Oldridge wrote:
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in
news:Ra%if.18$bP4.284@news.uswest.net:
Evolutionists often claim that if the evolutionary process were
hung up on a small local adaptive maximum, a large genetic change
like a recombination, or other genetic rearrangement, could bring
it to another hill that has a higher peak, and place it higher up
on that hill than it was before. Large adaptive changes are,
however, highly improbable. They are orders of magnitude less
probable than getting an adaptive change with a single nucleotide
substitution, which is itself improbable. No one has shown this to
be possible either.
Still waiting for you to explain how the chimps and we humans got the
heritable debris from a whole bunch of identical genetic accidents?
I mean, *I* have an explanation. We share a common ancestor with
them and inherited the same debris. But you claim that's not true.
So where did it come from? In YOUR scientific theory...
===>That is not very nice, Dave ;-) (not that I am typically very
nice), since I am sure you know Richard has no "scientific theory",
only a denial of the real scientific theory.
Perhaps the Omphalos idea might work for him: the "designer(s)"
created humans and chimps to make it look like they were descended
from common ancestors. ;-)
Happy Advent Season. -- L.
Same to you. And I notice that he's doing a very good imitation of
someone who has no answers to these questions.
===>That is obviously the case. -- L.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: A Scientific Critique of Evolution |
29 Nov 2005 10:48:47 AM |
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"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
news:Ra%if.18$bP4.284@news.uswest.net...
Evolutionists often claim that if the evolutionary process were hung up on
a small local adaptive maximum, a large genetic change like a
recombination, or other genetic rearrangement, could bring it to another
hill that has a higher peak, and place it higher up on that hill than it
was before. Large adaptive changes are, however, highly improbable. They
are orders of magnitude less probable than getting an adaptive change with
a single nucleotide substitution, which is itself improbable. No one has
shown this to be possible either.
As has been pointed out:
If you are dealt a bridge hand of 13 cards, your odds of receiving that
particular hand is more than 600 billion to 1.
Would you, in turn, argue that you were not dealt that particular hand
because it was so highly improbable?
JR
http://www.trueorigin.org/spetner1.asp
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: A Scientific Critique of Evolution |
20 Oct 2006 02:59:27 PM |
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"Tim K." <timkozz@cfl.rr.com> wrote in message
news:e1Wqf.544$bd.454@tornado.tampabay.rr.com...
"John" <root@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:D7ydnVlUDfEbtDHeRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
<snip>
Just keep repeating the same mistaken "separation
of church and state" mantra. Even though it's not
in the Constitution, just keep repeating it.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or
prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech,
or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the government for a redress of grievances.
The above restricts the government from restricting religion, BUT says
*nothing* disallowing religion from getting involved in politics, voting,
petitioning, or redressing the government
Thus, the above does not even remotely suggest a total separation of church
and state.
Maybe if you've been a good boy Santa will bring you a clue.
Idiot.
Hiya "Idiot"
Your sign off fits you !
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: A Scientific Critique of Evolution |
11 Oct 2006 04:32:10 PM |
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Correct any law restricting the *free exercise of religion* is doing just
that, and therefore "should" be declared un constitutional. The government
should stay out of religion, that includes the free exercise of religion of
individuals who just happen to be in government positions, and or on public
property.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"John" <root@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:F8-dnZM-4pNjtC7eRVn-hQ@comcast.com...
Tim K. wrote:
"John" <root@127.0.0.1> wrote in message
news:D7ydnVlUDfEbtDHeRVn-iQ@comcast.com...
Well, you are right about one thing, the Evolutionists
are quite content with their theories. Oh, just don't
present any contrary evidence. For example, don't
discuss topics like abiogenesis with the Evolutionist.
Evolutionists will just ignore the issue and claim that
these topics are separate fields. As such, Evolution
is not a real science because it is treated like a
sacred cow. Evolutionists are not willing to alter
their theories when presented with contrary evidence.
Instead, they will attack those that point out the
faults with their precious theories.
What ever happened to real science?
Just keep repeating the same mistaken "separation
of church and state" mantra. Even though it's not
in the Constitution, just keep repeating it.
Amendment I
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment
of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;
or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or
the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to
petition the government for a redress of grievances.
So what part of "Congress shall make no law ... prohibiting
the free exercise [of religion]" don't you understand? As
soon as the concept of religion enters a scientific study,
the ACLU comes crying unfair. So what, is the ACLU, and now
Judge Jones, going to prohibit all expressions that contain
a religious inference? No one is establishing a religion,
any particular religion over another, or even forcing anyone
to believe in a religion. However, the ACLU and Judge Jones
are forcing Anti-Religion upon the believers. This latest
ruling is, IMHO, opposed to Pennsylvania State Laws protecting
Religious Freedom. The ACLU and Judge Jones are pushing their
anti-religious theories on religious students.
Maybe if you've been a good boy Santa will bring you a clue.
My, and here I didn't think grown ups believed in Santa.
Of course, there was a very real St. Nicholas.
See: http://www.stnicholascenter.org
Idiot.
Is "Idiot" your first name, last name, or just what
people call you?
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: A Scientific Critique of Evolution - MUST SEPARATE CHURCH ANDSTATE! |
14 Oct 2006 10:22:44 PM |
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Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
Correct any law restricting the *free exercise of religion* is doing just
that, and therefore "should" be declared un constitutional. The government
should stay out of religion, that includes the free exercise of religion of
individuals who just happen to be in government positions, and or on public
property.
===>The Constitution clearly SEPARATES religion from government,
Church and State.
You can exercise ANY religion or none at all IN YOUR PRIVATE LIFE.
But when Christian, Jewish, Muslim or any other religion is introduced
into the operations and practices of GOVERNMENT, that is a clear
violation of one of the most important provisions of the Bill of
Rights, which is really a set of PROHIBITIONS, telling GOVERNMENT
what they MUST NOT DO! -- L.
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| User: "Opie" |
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| Title: Re: A Scientific Critique of Evolution |
29 Nov 2005 12:02:28 PM |
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On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:17:56 -0700, "Richard
Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote:
Evolutionists often claim that if the evolutionary
process were hung up on a
small local adaptive maximum, a large genetic
change like a recombination,
or other genetic rearrangement, could bring it to
another hill that has a
higher peak, and place it higher up on that hill
than it was before. Large
adaptive changes are, however, highly improbable.
They are orders of
magnitude less probable than getting an adaptive
change with a single
nucleotide substitution, which is itself
improbable. No one has shown this
to be possible either.
Why is this improbable? Who says? Do you believe
improbable and impossible are synonymous? Do you
really know what genetic rearrangement is or, are
you parroting somebody else's retarded thinking?
(Don't bother to answer)
It's highly improbable that some old guy ascended
into heaven by virtue of a fiery whirlwind pulled
by a team of horses. It is highly improbable that
water can be turned into wine. It is highly
improbable that light could be created without a
light source. It is highly improbable that a
loving god would send bears to maul children.
If something is extremely highly improbable, it
would be, for all intents and purposes,
impossible. At least you didn't change the word
improbable to impossible when you plagiarized this
work.
Can't you think for yourself? (Again, don't
bother to answer)
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| User: "John" |
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| Title: Re: A Scientific Critique of Evolution |
20 Dec 2005 02:32:55 PM |
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Opie wrote:
On Tue, 29 Nov 2005 09:17:56 -0700, "Richard
Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote:
Evolutionists often claim that if the evolutionary
process were hung up on a
small local adaptive maximum, a large genetic
change like a recombination,
or other genetic rearrangement, could bring it to
another hill that has a
higher peak, and place it higher up on that hill
than it was before. Large
adaptive changes are, however, highly improbable.
They are orders of
magnitude less probable than getting an adaptive
change with a single
nucleotide substitution, which is itself
improbable. No one has shown this
to be possible either.
Why is this improbable? Who says? Do you believe
improbable and impossible are synonymous? Do you
really know what genetic rearrangement is or, are
you parroting somebody else's retarded thinking?
(Don't bother to answer)
It's highly improbable that some old guy ascended
into heaven by virtue of a fiery whirlwind pulled
by a team of horses. It is highly improbable that
water can be turned into wine. It is highly
improbable that light could be created without a
light source.
True enough. These things are highly improbable
in themselves. If it weren't for the fact that
the power behind these acts originated with
Creator himself, I'd say these things were as
close as you can get to impossible. The same
thing applies to evolutionary theories. If you
can take an honest look at the improbabilities
inherent in the evolutionary theory, you'd have
to say that there would have to be a Creator or
at least an external force behind the process.
I say the evolutionary theory needs to be better
explained than simply leaving it as a long chain
of highly improbable events. It just takes too
much faith to believe in Evolution.
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| User: "Thurisaz the Einherjer" |
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| Title: Re: A Scientific Critique of Evolution |
29 Nov 2005 12:08:39 PM |
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Won't come from dorky, as we all know. But if you want long-debunked
nonsense repeated ad infinitum, mixed with a good deal of arrogance, read
its postings.
http://www.trueorigin.org/spetner1.asp
www.jesusneverexisted.com
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Romans 2:24 revised:
"For the name of God is blasphemed among the Gentiles through you
cretinists, as it is written on aig."
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