| Topic: |
Religions > Bible |
| User: |
"Bill" |
| Date: |
22 Jan 2006 02:08:18 PM |
| Object: |
A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
IF there is a REAL god, why does he not clear up all the confusion, and
announce to the whole world from his heaven that he is the real god and all
the others are fakes??? He does not seem to be capable of doing this.
The objective evidence is rather strong that NO GODS CREATED MAN but quite
the opposite;
that MAN CREATED IMAGINARY GODS!
A list of God beliefs around the world:
Is any of them a real God?
Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Babaluaye, Bacchus,
Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen,
Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim
Eshu,
Ereshkigal, Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades, Hebe, Hera,
Helios, Hel,
Hephaestus, Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana,
Ishtar,
Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jesus, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos,
Korravai,
Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius,
Morrigan,
Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun,
Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto,
Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea, Saturn,
Set, Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus,
Vesta,
Vishnu, Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus.
African gods:
Abassi [Sky]
Abonsam [Evil]
Abora [Supreme]
Abzu [Water]
Acoran [Supreme]
Adaheli [Sun]
Adro [Sky]
Adroa [Sky]
Agassou [Panther]
Agbe-Naete [Water]
Age [Animals]
Aigamuxa [Monster]
Ajalamo[Unborn Children]
Aje [Wealth]
Ajok [Supreme]
Akonadi [Oracle]
Akongo [Supreme]
Akuj [Supreme]
Ala [Earth/Fertility]
Alatangana [Creator]
Amma [Creator]
Anansi [Trickster]
Anyiewo [Snake]
Aondo [Creator]
Apa [Creator]
Apedemak [War]
Arawa [Moon]
Arebati [Sky]
Arom [Contracts]
Arsan Duolai [Underworld]
Asase Ya [Earth]
Ashiakle [Wealth]
Asis [Sun]
Astar [Sky]
Ataa Naa
Nyongmo
[Creator]
Ataokoloinona [Supreme]
Atete [Fertility]
Avrikiti [Fishermen]
Ayabba
[Ayaba] [Hearth]
Bacax [Cave]
Bagba [Wind]
Balubaal [Earth+]
Bandara [Superior Gods]
Banga [Clear water]
Behanzin [Fish]
Beher [Sea]
Bera Pennu [Vegetation]
Bo [Warriors]
Bomazi[Ancestors]
Buadza [WInd]
Buck[River]
Buku [Sky]
Bumba [Creator]
Cagn [Creator]
(!Kaggen)
Cghene [Creator]
Chiuke
(Chuku) [Creator]
Chiata [Supreme]
Chwezi [Hero]
Col [Rain]
Chikara [Sky]
Danh
(Dan Ayido Hwedo) [Snake]
Deng [Sky]
Deohako [Beans+]
Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods]
Dongo [Outer Space]
Dugbo [Earth]
Dxui [Creator]
Emeli-hi [Supreme]
Eranoranhan [Protector]
Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster]
Fa [Destiny]
Famien [Fertility]
Faro [Sky/Water]
Fidi Mukullu [Creator]
Garang and Abuk [First Humans]
Gbeni [Chief]
Gei (Gou) [Moon]
Gu [War/Smiths]
Gua [Sky]
Gulu [Supreme]
Gunab [Evil]
Guruhi [Evil]
Gurzil [Bull]
Gwalu [Rain]
Hammon [Setting Sun]
Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits]
Heitsi-Eibib [Sorcerer]
Hevioss [Thunder]
Huntin [Tree]
Huvean [Creator]
Ifa [Oracul]
Ikenga [Supreme]
Imana [Creator]
Iruwa [Sun]
Jesus [Savior]
Juok [Creator]
Kalumba [Creator]
Kalunga Supreme]
Katavi [Demonic]
Ka Tyeleo [Supreme]
Khebieso [Lightening]
Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon]
Kholomodumo [Monster]
Khuzwane [Creator]
Kibuka [War]
Kokola [Guardian]
Kwammang-a [Supreme]
Kwoth [Spirit]
Kyala [Creator]
Legba [Trickster]
Leza [Chief]
Libanza [Supreme]
Lisa [Chameleon]
Lyangombe[Chief]
Macardit [Demon]
Mantis [Creator]
Massim-Biambe [Creator]
Mawu [Sky]
Mawu-Lisa [Supreme Couple]
Mbotumbo [Supreme]
Medr [Earth]
Moomb [Creator]
Mon [?]
Mugasa
Mugu [Sky]
Mujaji [Rain]
Mukasa [Supreme]
Mula Djadi [Creator]
Muluku [Supreme]
Mulungu
Mungu [Creator]
Mungo (Mungu) [?]
Musa (Teaching]
Musisi [Supreme]
Mwari [Supreme]
Nampa [Personal]
Nana-Bouclou [First Gods]
Nana Buluk [Creator]
Ndjambi [Sky]
Ndriananahary [Supreme]
Nduru [Jungle]
Nenaunir [Storm]
Nesshoue [River]
Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator]
Ngewo-wa [Creator]
Ngworekara [Demon]
Niamye [Supreme]
Nkosi Yama'kosi [Supreme]
Nommo [Elemental]
Nommo [Spirit]
Nyama [Animal]
Nyambe [Supreme]
Nyambi (Nyambe) [Supreme]
Nyame
Nyami-Nyami [Guardian]
Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [Supreme]
Nyamia Ama [Supreme]
Nyasaye [Supeme]
Nzambi (Nzambi)
Mpunguo) [Supreme]
Nzame [Supreme]
Obassi Osaw [Supreme]
Obatala [Sky]
Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth]
Ogun (Ogoun) War]
Olokula [Sea]
Olorun [Supreme]
Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life]
Orahan [Supreme]
Orisa Nla [Creator]
Orishako [Agriculture]
Orunjan [Midday Sun]
Orunmila [Compassion]
Oshalla [?]
Osun [Beauty and Love]
Oya [Passion and Power]
Pemba (Bemba) Mother]
Qandisa [Demon]
Qamata[Quamta] Supreme]
Rock-Sene [Supreme]
Ruwa [Supreme]
Sagbata [Smallpox]
Sakarabru [Medicine]
Sakpata [Smallpox]
Sango [Thunder]
Shango [Thunder]
So [Lightening]
Tano [River]
Tore [Forest]
Trowu[Spirits]
Tsui'goab [Rain]
Twe [Lake]
Umvelinqangi [Creator]
Unkulunkulu [Supreme]
Unumbotte [Creator]
Waka [Rain]
Wele [Supreme]
Wulbari [Supreme]
Wuni [Supreme]
Xewioso [Thunder]
Yemaja [Creation]
Yo [Impersonal]
Zin [Water]
Asian Gods:
BUDDHIST
Abhijnaraja [Physician]
Abhimukhi [One of the Bhumis]
Acala [?]
Adhimukticarya [One of the Bhumis]
Adhimuktivasita [One of the Bhumis]
Adibuddha [First]
Adidharma [Primeval]
Aizen Myo-o [Protective]
Ajaya [?]
Akasagarbha(Tibetan Nam-mkhai
Aksayajnana-Karmanda [Literature]
Aksobhya (Japanese Ashuku, Chinese A-Chu'u) [One of the Dhyani]
Amida [Savior]
Amitabha [A Dhyani]
Amitayus [Longevity]
Amoghapasa [see Avalokitesvara]
Amoghasiddhi [A Dhyani]
Anantamukhi [Literature]
Arapacana [Book and Sword]
Arcismati [Bhumis]
Arhat [A Saint]
Arthapratisamvit [Logical Analysis]
Arya-Tara [Sakti]
Asokakanta [avatar Marici]
Asokottamasri [Physician]
Astabhuja-Kurukulla [avatar Kurukulla]
Asura [Group of Demons]
Avalokitesvara(Avalokita, Lokesvara) [Dhyani Present Age]
Ayurvasita[One vasitas]
Balaparamita [Philosophy]
Bhaisajyaguru(Sman-bla, Otaci,Yao-shih-fo, Yakushi)[Physician]
Bhima[Attendant]
Bhrkuti[Female]
Bhrkuti-Tara [Mother]
Bhumi [Spiritual Spheres]
Bhutadarma [Demon Controller]
Bi-har [Protector]
Bodhidharma [Monk]
Bodhisattva (Chinese Pu-sa) [Born to be Englightened]
Buddhabodhiprabhavasita [Vasitas]
Buddhalocana [Female Buddha]
Budha [Mercury]
Butcho [?]
Chandarosana [Mahayana]
Charcika (Carcika) [Mahayana]
Chakravartin [World Ruler]
Chattrosnisa [An Usnisa]
Chaturmaharajas (Caturmaharajas) [Four Great Kings]
Chittavista [Vashitas]
Citipati [Graveyard Demons]
Cunda [Literature]
Da-shi-zhi [Bodhisattva]
Dadimunda [Temples]
Dainichi' [Purity/Wisdom]
Dakini [Demons]
Dala Kadavara [Demon]
Devaputra [Gods of Lower Rank]
Dhanada [avatar Amoghasiddhi]
Dharani [Mystical Texts]
Dharmadhatuvagisvara [Dharma]
Dharmakirtisagaraghosa [Physician]
Dharmamegha [Bhumis]
Dharmapala ,Chinese Fu Ha [Protective Dieties]
Dharmapratisamvit [Nature Analysis]
Dharmavasita [Vasitas]
Dhritarashtra (Pali Dhatarattha) [One of the 4 World Guardians]
Dhupa [Mother]
Dhupatara [Mahayana]
Dhvajagrakeyura [avatar Aksobhya]
Dhyanaparamita [Philosophy]
Dhyani-Bodhisattvas [Five Bodhisattvas]
Dhyani-Buddhas [Five Meditators]
Di-zang [Bodhisattvas of Hell]
Dvarapala [?]
Ekajata [Terrible]
Emma-o [Judges the Dead]
Fudo [WIsdom]
Guan Yin [bodhisattva]
Hariti [Ate Children]
Hayagriva [Protection]
Heruka [Protection]
Hevajra [Protection]
Ida-Ten [Law/Monestaries]
Jambhala [avatar Vausravana]
Janguli [Snakebite cure]
Jian Lao [Earth/Permanence]
Jizo [Compassion]
Juichimen [Mercy]
Kali devia [avatar Lha-mo]
Kannon [Japanese bodhisattva]
Khasarpana(Khasarpana-Lokesvara) [Indian bodhisattva]
Ki Fudo [avatar Fudo-Myo-o]
Krodhadevatas [Inspire Terror]
Ksitigarbha [One of 8 bodhisattva]
Kuan-yin (Kwannon) [Mercy]
Kujaku Myoo [Esoteric]
Kurukulla [?]
Locana [?]
Mahasthamaprata [Chinese bodhisattva]
Maitreya [Future]
Manjughosa [Nepalese bodhisattva]
Manjusri [bodhisattva]
Mara [Evil]
Marici [Sun]
Mi-lo Fo (Pu-Sa) [Chinese bodhisattva
Miroku [Japanese bodhisattva
Mo-Li [Protects Temples]
Padmanartesvara [avatar Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara]
Pancaraksa[5 Goddesses]
Pandara [?]
Paramasva [?]
Parnasavari [?]
Prajna [Femaleness]
Prajnaparamita [Buddhist Text]
Ran-deng [Beggar and Future Buddha]
Ratnapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
Ratnasambhava [Dhyani-Buddha]
Remanta [King of the Horse gods]
Sakyamuni [Japanese]
Samantabhadra [Bodhisattvas]
Saptaksara [avatar Heruka]
Shakra [King of the Gods]
Ssu Ta T'ien Wang [Kings of Heaven]
Sumbharaja [Buddhist Krodhadevata]
Tennin (Tennyo) [angels]
Usnisavijaya [?]
Vairocana [Dhyani-Buddhas]
Vaisravana (Pali Vessavana, Chinese Do Wen) [Guards World]
Vajrabhairava [?]
Vajrapani [Bodhisattvas]
Vajrasattva [Nepal Dhyani-Buddha]
Vajravarahi [?]
Vajrayogini [Initiation]
Vajrayogini [Riches]
Vidyadharas [?]
Vidyujjvalakarali [?]
Vighnantaka [?]
Virudhaka (Pali Virulha, Chinese Zheng Zhang) [Guards World]
Virupaksa (Pali Virupakkha, Chinese Guand Mu) [Guards Western Heaven]
Visvapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
We-to [Divine General]
Yakushi Nyorai [Healing]
Yama [?]
Yamantaka [Krodhadevatas]
Zhu Dian (Zhu Tian) [Chinese Buddhist gods]
CHINESE GODS
Ao [Sea]
Awun [Destruction]
Ba [Drought]
Ba Gua [Basis of Divination]
Bo Hsian [Taoist]
Cai-Shen [Riches]
Can Cong [Silkworms]
Cao Guo-jiu [Actors]
Chang Fei [War]
Chang Hs'ien [Children]
Chang Kuo-lao [?]
Ch'ang E (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Moon]
Chang Tao Ling [Afterlife]
Cheng-huang (Ch'eng Huang) [Guardians]
Chen Jen [Spiritual Beings]
Cheng San-Kung [Fishermen]
Cheng Yuan Ho (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Buskers]
Chih Nu [Weavers]
Chih Sung-Tzu (Chi Sung Tzu) [Rain]
Chih-Yu [Inventor]
Ch'in-Shu-Pao [Guardian]
Chou Wang [Sodomy]
Chu-Chuan Shen [Pigsties]
Chu Jung [Fire]
Chu Lung [Day/Night]
Chung K'uei [Afterlife]
Chung-li Ch'uan [Immortal]
Confucius [Philosopher]
Di Zhang Xia [?]
Dong-yo Da-di [Helps Sky God]
Erh-Lang [Guardian]
Fan-K'uei [Butchers]
Fei Lien (Fei Lian) [Wind]
Feng-Huang (Hoang-female Phuong-male) [Many Meanings]
Feng Po (Feng-Po) [Human form of the wind]
Feng P'o-p'o (Feng-Po-Po) [Female wind]
Fo [Buddha]
Fu His [Taught Humanity]
Fu Hsing [Happiness]
Fu Shen [Happiness]
Fu-Shou-Lu [Collection of Gods]
Fu-xi [Hero]
Gao Yao (Ting-jian) [Judgement]
Gong Gong [Common Workers]
Gou Mang and Ru Shou [Messengers]
Guan Di (Kuan Ti) [War/Fortune Telling]
Gui Xian [Demon]
Han Hsiang [Immortal]
Han Xiang-zi [Immortal]
He Bo (Bing-yi) [Rivers]
Heng E (Change-e) [Moon]
He Xian-gu [Immortal]
Heng-Ha-Erh-Chiang [Temples]
Heng-o [Moon]
Ho Hsien-ku [Immortal]
Ho Po [River]
Hou Chi [Harvest]
Hou I [Archer]
Hou T'u [Earth]
Hsien [Taoists]
Hsi Ho [Sun's Creator]
Hsi Wang Mu [Guardian]
Hsuan-T'ien-Shang-Ti [Dark Heaven]
Hua Hsien [Flower]
Huang-di (Huang Ti) (Shun) [Hero]
Huang Fei-hu (Fei) [Mountain]
Hu-Shen [Hail]
I [Bowmen]
Infoniwoo [Generation]
I-Ti [Wine]
K'ai Lu Shen [Purges Evil]
Kuan Yu [War]
K'uei Hsing [Examinations]
Lan Cai-he [Immortal]
Lao T'ien Yeh [Supreme]
Lao-Tzu (Lao-zi) [Philosopher]
Lei Kung [Storm]
Lei-zi [Thunder]
Li [Fire]
Li Tie-guai [Immortal]
Liu [Crops]
Lu Dong-bin (Lu Yan) [Immortal]
Lu-Hsing [Salaries/Employees]
Lung Wang [Dragon King]
Lupan [Carpenters]
Ma-Mien [Bureaucrat]
Meng (Meng P'o) [Underworld]
Meng-T'ien [Writing Brush]
Men Shen [Doors, includes sometimes Wei Cheng]
Mu Gong [Immortals]
Niu-Y'oun [Police]
Nu Gua (Nu Kua, Nu Wa) [Creator and Marriage]
O-Mi-T'o Fo [Amitabha]
Pa [Drought]
Pa-Cha [Anti-locusts]
Pa-Hsien [Eight Immortals]
P'an-Chin-Lien [Prostitues]
'P'an Ku (Panku, Pangu) [Cosmos]
Pi-Hsia-Yuan-Chun [Childbirth]
Puhsien [Sun]
Ran-deng [Future Buddha]
San Ch'inga [Three Taos]
Shang Di (Shang Ti) [Supreme]
She Chi (Thu) [Earth]
Shen [Spirit]
Sheng Jen [Holy]
Shen-nong(Shen Nung) [Hero]
Shen-T'u [Guardian]
Shen Yi [Sun]
Shiang Ku [Magician]
Shih-Tien Yen-Wang [Committe of Ten]
Shou-Hsing [Longevity]
Shou Lao (Shou Xing Lao Tou-zi) [Long Life]
Shou-Ts'ang [Servant]
Shui-Fu [Water]
Shui-Kuan [Defender]
Ssu Ming [Life and Death]
Sung-Chiang [Theives]
Sun Hou-Tzu [Monkey]
Sun Hou-zi [Apes]
Sun-Pin [Cobblers]
T'ai I [High]
Tai-sui-xing [Time]
Tai-yi [Sky]
T'ai Yueh Ta Ti (Tung-Yueh-Ta-Ti, T'ai-Yo, Ta-Ti) [Peak]
Thu [Earth]
Tian [Sky]
Tian-zhu [Catholic]
Tien (T'ien) [Sky]
Tien-Hou (T'ien Fei) [Heaven]
T'ien-Kuan [Happiness]
T'ien Lung [Dragon]
Tien Mu [Lightening]
Tien-Wang (Mo-Li) [Kings]
Ti-Kuan [Foregiveness]
Ti Nu (Ti-ya) [Earth]
Ti-Tsang-Wang-Pu-Sa [Mercy]
Ti Yu [Afterlife]
Tou Nu [North Star]
Ts'ai-Lun [Stationers]
Ts'ai Shen [Wealth]
Tsan [Demons]
Ts'ang Chien [Hearth]
Tsao Shen [?]
Tsao-Wang [Hearth]
Tu [Earth]
Tung Wang Kung [Ruled Male Immortals]
T'u-ti (Ti-Ti) [Locality]
Wang [Palace Door]
Wang-Mu-Niang-Niang [Guardian]
Wen Ch'ang (Wen-Chang-Ta-Ti) [Literature]
Wen-Shu Yen-K'ung [Manjushri]
Wen Pu [Epidemics]
Wu Ti [Myth]
Xian [Spirits]
Xi-Wang-mu [Immortality]
Yama [Seventh hell]
Yan-lo (Yan Wang) [Underworld Prince]
Yao [Wind Conqueror]
Yao-shi-fo [Physician]
Yao Wang [Medicine]
Yeng-Wang-Yeh [Death]
Yen Wang (Yen Lo) [Underworld Judge]
Yin and Yang [Male and Female]
Yo Fei [War]
Yu-Chiang [Ocean Winds]
Yu-di (Yu Huang) [Supreme]
Yueh Fei [War]
Yu Huang (Yu-Huang-Shang-Ti) [High]
Yun T'ung [Clouds]
Yu-qiang [Sea]
Yu Shih [Rain]
Yu-tzu [Rain]
Zao Jun [Kitchen]
Zhang Guo-lao [Immortal]
Zhong-Kui [Literature and Examinations]
Zhong-li Quan [Immortal]
[Sources: Brief History of Ancient Chinese Mythology]
Finnish Gods:
Ahto [Water]
Akka [Harvest]
Egres [Vegetation/Fertility]
Hiisi [Forest/Evil]
Ilma [Air]
Ilmarinen [Sky]
Inmar [Sky]
Juma [Sky]
Jumala (Mader-Atcha, Ukk) [Thunder+]
Kalevanpojat [Demons]
Kalma [Death]
Kekri [Fertility Feast]
Kipu-Tytto [Illness]
Kondos [Sowing Crops]
Kuu [Moon]
Lemminkainen [Hero]
Louhi [Sorcery/Evil]
Loviatar [Disease]
Luonnotar [Creator]
Madderakka [Dwarves]
Maahiset [Dwarves]
Naaki [Water]
Nyrckes [?]
Olmai (Olmay) [Divine properties]
Pajainen [?]
Pajonn [Thunder]
Para [Goblin Like]
Pellonpekko [Barley]
Raudna [?]
Rutu [Devil]
Sampsa [Vegetation]
Seides [Stones]
Rauni [?]
Tapio [Forest]
Tiermes [Thunder]
Tuoni [Underworld
Tursas [Monster]
Ukko (Isainen) [Thunder]
Vainamoinen [Hero]
Veralden-radien [World Pillars]
Waralden Olmai [World]
JAPANESE GODS
Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone (Aji-Shiki-Taka-Hiko-Ne) [Thunder]
Ama-No-Minakanushi-No-Kumi [Pole Star]
Ame-No-Oshido-Mimi [Refusal]
Ama-No-Uzume [Fertility]
Ama-Tsu-Kami [Heavenly Gods]
Amatsu Mikaboshi [Evil]
Ame-No-Hohi [Disappeared]
Ame-No-Wakahiko [Ruled Earth]
Bimbo-Gami [Poverty]
Bishamon [War]
Chimata-No-Kami [Rain/Sea]
Daikoku [Wealth]
Ebisu [Labor]
Fuchi [Fire]
Fukurokuju (Fukuro kuju) [Wisdom]
Futsunushi [Lightening]
Gozu-Tenno [Plague]
Haya-Ji (Haya-Tsu-Muji-No-Kami) [Whirlwind]
Hikohohodemi [Hero]
Hinokagutsuchi [Fire]
Hiruko [Morning Sun]
Hoderi [?]
Hisa-Me [Devils]
Ho-Masubi (Kagu Zuchi) [Fire]
Hosuseri [?]
Hotei [Laughter]
Inari [Prosperity]
Izanagi [Creator]
Izanami [Mother]
Jikoku [Guardians]
Jimmu Tenno [Founder]
Jurojin (Jorojin) [Longevity]
Kagu-tsuchi [Fire]
Kamado-gami [Hearth]
Kami [Divinities]
Kami-Musubi (Kami-mi-masubi) [?]
Kami-Nari [Thunder]
Kamui [Sky]
Kappa [Water]
Kawa-No-Kami [Rivers]
Kishijoten [Luck]
Kishimojin [Demon]
Komoku [South]
Kompira [Wealth]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime (Kono-no-hana-saku-ya-hime) [?]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime Kuni-Toko-tachi [First]
Kuni-Tsu-Kami [Earth]
Kura-Okami [Rain/Snow]
Nai-No-Kami [Earthquakes]
Naka-Yama-Tsu-Mi [Mountain Slopes]
Ningyo [Mermaid]
Ninigi [Ruler Earth]
O-Kuni-Nushi (Okuninushi) [Medicine/Sorcery]
Onamuji [Earth]
Omiwa [Protective]
Oni [Demons]
O-Wata-Tsumi [Sea]
O-Yama-Tsu-Mi (O-yama-tsuni) [Mountain]
Raiden [Thunder]
Ryo-Wo [Sea]
Ryujin (Ryugin) [Thunder/Rain]
Sae-No-Kami [Roads]
Sengen-Sama [Guarded Holy Moutain]
Sennin [Immortals]
Shichi-Fukujin [Luck]
Shiko-Me [Devils]
Shine-Tsu-Hiko [Wind]
Shitatera-Hime [?]
Shi-tenno [Cardinal Direction Guardians]
Shojo [Satyrs]
Soko-No-Kuni [Underworld]
Suitengu [Sea]
Sukuna-bikone (Suku-na-biko) [Hot Springs]
Shoki [Enemy of Devils]
Susanowo (Susanoo, Susa-no-wo) [Storms]
Takamimusubi (Taka-mi-masubi) [Royal Family]
Takemikadzuchi [Thunder]
Take-Mi-Musubi [Sun]
Taki-Tsu-Hiko [Rain]
Tatsuta-hime [Autumn]
Ten-gu (Tengu) [Mountain/Forest]
Tenjin (Temmangu) [Learning/Calligraphy]
Tsuki-Yomi (Tsukiyomi) [Moon]
Uji-gami [Ancestors]
Uke-Mochi-No-Kami (Ukemochi, Waka-Uke-Nomi, Toyo-Uke-Bime) [Fertility and
Food]
Uzume [Mirth]
Wakahiru-me [Rising Sun]\
Wata-tsu-mi [Sea]
Yabune [House]
Zocho [South]
Shinto Amaterasu [Sun]
Ama-Tsu-Mara [Smiths]
Ame-No-Kagase-Wo [Astral]
Ame-No-Mi-Kumari-No-Kami [Water]
Amenominakanushi (Ame-No-Minaka-Nushi-No-Kami) [Supreme]
Am-No-Tanabata-Hime-No-Mikoto [Weavers]
Ame-No-Toko-Tachi-No-Kami [Elemental]
Ame-no-uzume [Dancers]
Benten (Benten-San, Benzaiten, Benzaiten) [Eloquence+]
Fujin [Wind]
Hachiman [War]
Ho-musubi [Fire]
Kami [Idols]
SOUTH ASIAN GODS
Cao Dai(Chinese: Gao-Tai) [Supreme]
Debata [?]
Empung Luminuut [?]
Hainuwele [?]
Hananim [Sky]
Hmin [Ague]
Karei [Supreme]
Kinharingan [Creator]
Kud [Evil]
Laseo [Sun]
Lature Dano [Supreme]
Lowalangi(Lowalani) [World Above]
Mahatala (Mahataral) [Supreme?]
Ma-zu [?]
Nanmata (Namite) [Primeval]
Narbrooi [Woodlands]
Nemu [Primodial]
Palk [Sun]
Puang Matowa [Sky]
Pulug [Thunder]
Reahu [Dark Demon]
Rigenmucha [Supreme]
Silewe Nazarata [?]
Sirao [First]
Ta Pedn [?]
Tnong [Sun]
Tumbrenjak [Original Man]
Upulevo [Sun]
Wunekau [Sun]
CENRAL AND WEST ASIAN GODS
Abyrga [Snake]
Afi [Rain/Thunderstorms]
Aitvaras [Evil]
Alardi [Spirit]
Aralo [Agriculutre]
Armaz [Supreme]
Auseklis (Ausrine) [Stellar]
Baba [Spirit]
Baba Yaga (Jezi-Baba) [Ogress]
Bagvarti [?]
Bangputys [Sea]
Bannik [Baths]
Bagisht [Flood/Prosperity]
Barastir (Barastaer) [Underworld]
Bardha [Elves]
Beg-tse (Cam-srin) [War]
Beng [Satan]
Biegg-Olmai [Wind]
Bogatyri [Heroes]
Boldogasszony (Kisboldogasszony) [Protector Women/Children]
Bolla (Bullar) [Demon]
Buga [Supreme]
Bukura e dheut
[Good Spirit]
Bukuri e qiellit [Jehovah]
Byelobog (Bielbog) [?]
Byelun [?]
Chernobo(Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [?]
Chors [Sun]
Dabog [Sun]
Deive [Stone Spirits]
Dieva deli [?]
Dievini [Less Known Gods]
Dievs [Sky]
Djall [Devil]
Domovoi (Domovoy) [Household]
Donbittir [Water/Fish]
Drag-gshed [Eight Terrible Gods]
Dud [Heavenly Spirit]
Dvorovoi [Courtyard]
Dyavo [Demons]
En [?]
Erlik [King of the Dead]
Es [Sky]
Fatit [Destiny]
Fene [Demon]
Gabija (Gabieta, Gabeta) [Fire]
Gabjauja [Corn]
Giltine [Death]
Guta [Demon]
Hadur [War]
Himavat [Himalayas]
Horagalles [War]
Isdustaya and Papaya [Fate]
Isten [Supreme]
Jagaubis [Fire]
Jarovit (Gerovitus) [War]
Jessis [avatar Jupiter]
Jumis [Fertility]
Juras Mate [Water]
Kaka-Guia [Funerary]
Kalvis [Smith]
Karta [Fate]
Kaukas [?]
Khors [Health/Hunting]
Khyung-gai mGo-can [?]
Kikimora [Household]
K'op'ala [Protective]
Kukuth (Kukudhi) [Sickness]
Kulshedra (Kucedre) [Demon]
Kun-tu-bzan-po [Chief Bon]
Kupala [Water/Magic/Herbs]
Kurdalaegon [Blacksmiths]
Laima [Fate]
Lamaria [Hearth]
Laskowice (Leshcia) [Forest]
Lauka Mate [Fields/Fertility]
Laume [Fairy]
Leshy [Forest]
Lha [Bon Gods]
Lhamo [?]
Ljeschi (Lychie) [Fauns and Satyrs]
Ljubi [Demon]
Manzasiri [Primeval]
Mate [Mother]
Mati Syra Zemlya [Earth]
Medeine (Mejdejn) [Woods]
Meness [Moon]
Menulis [Moon]
Meza Mate [Nature]
Mirsa [Light]
Mokos [Fertility]
Mu (rMu) [Heavenly]
Muma Padura [Wood]
Myesyats (Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [Moon]
Nang Lha [Household]
Nari [Demon]
Nari [Sky]
Num [Sky]
Odqan [Fire]
Ora [Protective]
Ordog [Dark]
Pekar (Pehar) [Demon]
Peko [Barley]
Perendi [Jehovah]
Perit [Mountain Spirits]
Perkons [Thunder]
Perkunas [Thunder]
Perun (Peroun) [Thunder]
Polevik [Field]
Poludnitsa [Field]
Pon [Sky]
Porenutius (Porevit) [?]
Preas Eyn [?]
Preas Eyssaur [Destructive]
Preas Prohm [Primeval]
Prende (Prenne) [Love]
Psezpolnica (Polish Poludnica) [Midday]
Pugu [Sun]
Qormusta (Chormusta) [High]
Rugievit [War]
Rusalki (Rusalka) [Water/Woodlands]
Safa [Weapens]
Sanda [?]
Sarkany [Weather]
Saule [Sun]
Saules meitas [?]
Selardi [Moon]
Shen-Lha-od-dkar [Bon]
Shen-rab [Founder Bon]
Sipe Gyalmo [Bon]
Shiwini [Sun]
Shosshu [Smiths]
Siwini [Sun]
Srat [Demon]
Sri [Demon]
Sridevi [?]
Stribog [Winds]
Svantevit (Svantoveit, Svantovitus) [War/Agriculture]
Svarog [Sky]
Syen [Guardian]
Stihi [Demon]
Teljavelik [Heavenly Smith]
Telyaveli [Smiths]
Tengri [Heavenly Beings]
Tesheba [Weather]
Thab-lha [Hearth]
Triglav (Trigelawus) [War]
Uacilla [Thunder/Rain]
Ulgen [Creator]
Urme [Fate]
Usins [?]
Vadatajs [Evil]
Vampire [Soul of Dead]
Veela [Kindess]
Veja mate [Winds]
Veles (Volos) [Underworld]
Velnias [Devil]
Velu mate [Dead]
Verbti [Fire/North Wind]
Vila [Water]
Vilkacis (Lithuanian Vilkatas) [Werewolf]
Vlkodlaks (Vookodlaks) [Werewolf]
Vodnik [Demon]
Vodyanoi [Water]
Volos (Volusu) [Cattle]
We [Supreme]
Xhindi [Spirits]
Yarilo [Love]
Zaltys [Grass Snake]
Zemepatis (Zemempatis) [Supreme]
Zemes mate [Mother]
Zemyna (Zemyneles) [Earth]
Zorya [Guardian]
Zvezda Dennitsa and Zvezda Vechernyaya [Morning and Evening Star]
SIBERIAN GODS
Ai Tojon [Light]
Ajysyt [Mother]
Anky-Kele [Sea]
Ayi [Creator]
Hittavainen, Hittauanin [Hare-Hunters]
Hinkon [Death Demon]
K'daai [Fire Demon]
Kaltes [The Goddess]
Ke'lets [Death Demon]
Kurkil [Creator]
Kutkinnaku [Good Spirit]
Mayin [Supreme]
Picvu'cin [Hunting/Wild Animals]
Shurdi [Thunderstorms]
Tomam [Bird]
Tomor(Tomorr) [Father Creator]
Xucau [Supreme]
Ye'loje (Pugu) [Sun]
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| User: "JTEM" |
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23 Jan 2006 12:20:54 AM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote
IF there is a REAL god, why does he not clear up all the confusion,
and announce to the whole world from his heaven that he is the
real god and all the others are fakes???
Interesting. I'm not sure why a god can't be "real" unless there is
only one. Most of human civilization seemed pretty keen on the
idea that gods (plural) could be real.
Even the "God," the "one & only" from the bible "Commands"
that we "Shall have no other gods before me," sort of requiring
that there be other gods. No?
Finally, even if there was a God (or "gods"), with the vast
reaches of space... with the mind-numbingly hugeness of the
universe... with the brain-snapping size & complexity of the
natural world... why would He (or "they") really give a *****
about my personal opinion?
Seriously.
Just try to wrap your mind around what exactly being "God"
means, what "Supernatural" means.
It means outside of mass & gravity. It means outside a universe
filled with atoms, electrons and a slew of subatomic particles.
It means outside of time & space itself. We're talking about an
existence beyond our comprehension. No, really. We're talking
about an existence where everything happens at once, and all
in the same place... only there isn't such thing as "place," because
space itself (even empty space) is part of our universe... our
mortal reality and not the "Supernatural".
We would share far more with insects then we do with any God,
including a shared ancestor from the primordial soup that once
stained unfortunate stones across this Earth. Can those "Lower
Life Forms" understand us? Heck, of those that can even sense
our presence, do these "Lower Life Forms" -- who share our
beginnings -- know what we are? Can we communicate with them
in any way?
I've got news for you. We are closer to a Dust Mite than we
would be to any God (or "gods"). Yet not only can we not
"communicate" with them in any useful fashion, but even if we
could what would our message be?
"*****!"
"Stay the ***** out of my house!"
"Go clog someone else's air filter for a change!
"Die! Die! Die!"
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| User: "Carl Rooker" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
23 Jan 2006 10:35:43 AM |
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Very good phrazing of the real objections.
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sa2dnUg_ceJi70neRVn-tg@comcast.com...
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote
IF there is a REAL god, why does he not clear up all the confusion,
and announce to the whole world from his heaven that he is the
real god and all the others are fakes???
Interesting. I'm not sure why a god can't be "real" unless there is
only one. Most of human civilization seemed pretty keen on the
idea that gods (plural) could be real.
The Bible nowhere says that there are no other Gods. In fact, it say's;
1 Cor.8:5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on
earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6 yet for us there
is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live;
and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and
through whom we live. NIV
Even the "God," the "one & only" from the bible "Commands"
that we "Shall have no other gods before me," sort of requiring
that there be other gods. No?
Absolutly correct.
Finally, even if there was a God (or "gods"), with the vast
reaches of space... with the mind-numbingly hugeness of the
universe... with the brain-snapping size & complexity of the
natural world... why would He (or "they") really give a *****
about my personal opinion?
For one very simple reason. The Creator God loves us.
JN 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God
did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the
world through him. NIV
Seriously.
Just try to wrap your mind around what exactly being "God"
means, what "Supernatural" means.
It means outside of mass & gravity. It means outside a universe
filled with atoms, electrons and a slew of subatomic particles.
It means outside of time & space itself. We're talking about an
existence beyond our comprehension. No, really. We're talking
about an existence where everything happens at once, and all
in the same place... only there isn't such thing as "place," because
space itself (even empty space) is part of our universe... our
mortal reality and not the "Supernatural".
We would share far more with insects then we do with any God,
including a shared ancestor from the primordial soup that once
stained unfortunate stones across this Earth. Can those "Lower
Life Forms" understand us? Heck, of those that can even sense
our presence, do these "Lower Life Forms" -- who share our
beginnings -- know what we are? Can we communicate with them
in any way?
I've got news for you. We are closer to a Dust Mite than we
would be to any God (or "gods"). Yet not only can we not
"communicate" with them in any useful fashion, but even if we
could what would our message be?
"*****!"
"Stay the ***** out of my house!"
"Go clog someone else's air filter for a change!
"Die! Die! Die!"
Just goes to show how much more loving and caring the Creator God is
compared to us.
God bless
Carl
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| User: "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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23 Jan 2006 08:12:05 PM |
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For one very simple reason. The Creator God loves us.
JN 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,
that
whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God
did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the
world through him. NIV
for god so loved the world, that he said MURDER your only son.
Genesis 22:2
Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go
to the region of Moriah. MURDER him there as a burnt offering on one of the
mountains I will tell you about."
then the loving, caring christian god said, comb your hair or I will MURDER
you
Leviticus 10:6
Then Moses said to Aaron and his sons Eleazar and Ithamar, "Do not let your
hair become unkempt, and do not tear your clothes, or you will die and the
LORD will be angry with the whole community
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
25 Jan 2006 05:10:03 AM |
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SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim wrote:
For one very simple reason. The Creator God loves us.
JN 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son,
that
whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God
did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the
world through him. NIV
for god so loved the world, that he said MURDER your only son.
Genesis 22:2
Then God said, "Take your son, your only son, Isaac, whom you love, and go
to the region of Moriah. MURDER him there as a burnt offering on one of the
mountains I will tell you about."
then the loving, caring christian god said, comb your hair or I will MURDER
you
Leviticus 10:6
Then Moses said to Aaron and his sons Eleazar and Ithamar, "Do not let your
hair become unkempt, and do not tear your clothes, or you will die and the
LORD will be angry with the whole community
Sounds like the kind of fables the primitives at the time must have loved, we
are not primitives today are we?
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
23 Jan 2006 01:41:41 PM |
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Carl Rooker wrote:
Very good phrazing of the real objections.
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sa2dnUg_ceJi70neRVn-tg@comcast.com...
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote
IF there is a REAL god, why does he not clear up all the confusion,
and announce to the whole world from his heaven that he is the
real god and all the others are fakes???
Interesting. I'm not sure why a god can't be "real" unless there is
only one. Most of human civilization seemed pretty keen on the
idea that gods (plural) could be real.
The Bible nowhere says that there are no other Gods. In fact, it
say's;
1 Cor.8:5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on
earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6 yet for us
there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for
whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all
things came and
through whom we live. NIV
If the bible is true, where are all the miracles?
********************************************
Mark 11:23-4
For verily I say this unto you, That
whosoever shall say unto this mountain,
Be thou removed, and be thou cast
into the sea; and shall not doubt
in his heart, but shall believe that
those things which he saith shall
come to pass; he shall have whatsoever
he saith. Therefore I say unto you, What
things soever ye desire, when ye pray,
believe ye recieve them and ye shall have
them.
Matthew 18:19-20
Again I say unto you, that if two of you
shall agree on earth as touching anything
that they shall ask, it shall be done for
them of my father which is in heaven. For
where two or three are gathered in my name,
there I am in the midst of them.
Matthew 21:22
And all things,whatsoever ye shall ask
in prayer, believeing, ye shall recieve.
John 14:12-14
12: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that
believeth on me, the works that I do shall he
do also; and greater works than these shall
he do; because I go unto my Father.
13: And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name,
that will I do, that the Father may be glorified
in the Son
14: If ye shall ask any thing in my name,
I will do it.
***********************************************
--
It's all coming down! It's all coming down!
IT'S ALL COMING DOWN!
- Texas Chainsaw Massacre II
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
23 Jan 2006 04:58:23 PM |
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wbarwell wrote:
Carl Rooker wrote:
Very good phrazing of the real objections.
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sa2dnUg_ceJi70neRVn-tg@comcast.com...
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote
IF there is a REAL god, why does he not clear up all the confusion,
and announce to the whole world from his heaven that he is the
real god and all the others are fakes???
Interesting. I'm not sure why a god can't be "real" unless there is
only one. Most of human civilization seemed pretty keen on the
idea that gods (plural) could be real.
The Bible nowhere says that there are no other Gods. In fact, it
say's;
1 Cor.8:5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on
earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6 yet for us
there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for
whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all
things came and
through whom we live. NIV
If the bible is true, where are all the miracles?
===>But its IS true.
True fiction.
Its "miracles" are far surpassed by those you find in more
recent scifi literature, e.g. Star Trek. -- L.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
25 Jan 2006 05:07:05 AM |
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Carl Rooker wrote:
Very good phrazing of the real objections.
"JTEM" <gymraven@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:sa2dnUg_ceJi70neRVn-tg@comcast.com...
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote
IF there is a REAL god, why does he not clear up all the confusion,
and announce to the whole world from his heaven that he is the
real god and all the others are fakes???
Interesting. I'm not sure why a god can't be "real" unless there is
only one. Most of human civilization seemed pretty keen on the
idea that gods (plural) could be real.
The Bible nowhere says that there are no other Gods. In fact, it say's;
1 Cor.8:5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on
earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6 yet for us there
is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live;
and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and
through whom we live. NIV
Even the "God," the "one & only" from the bible "Commands"
that we "Shall have no other gods before me," sort of requiring
that there be other gods. No?
Absolutly correct.
Finally, even if there was a God (or "gods"), with the vast
reaches of space... with the mind-numbingly hugeness of the
universe... with the brain-snapping size & complexity of the
natural world... why would He (or "they") really give a *****
about my personal opinion?
For one very simple reason. The Creator God loves us.
JN 3:16 "For God so loved the world that he gave his one and only Son, that
whoever believes in him shall not perish but have eternal life. 17 For God
did not send his Son into the world to condemn the world, but to save the
world through him. NIV
You blithering idiot, that verse you quoted was written by a human, no gods
involved in any shape or form.
where would you soppy people be without that old book ?!
Seriously.
Just try to wrap your mind around what exactly being "God"
means, what "Supernatural" means.
It means outside of mass & gravity. It means outside a universe
filled with atoms, electrons and a slew of subatomic particles.
It means outside of time & space itself. We're talking about an
existence beyond our comprehension. No, really. We're talking
about an existence where everything happens at once, and all
in the same place... only there isn't such thing as "place," because
space itself (even empty space) is part of our universe... our
mortal reality and not the "Supernatural".
We would share far more with insects then we do with any God,
including a shared ancestor from the primordial soup that once
stained unfortunate stones across this Earth. Can those "Lower
Life Forms" understand us? Heck, of those that can even sense
our presence, do these "Lower Life Forms" -- who share our
beginnings -- know what we are? Can we communicate with them
in any way?
I've got news for you. We are closer to a Dust Mite than we
would be to any God (or "gods"). Yet not only can we not
"communicate" with them in any useful fashion, but even if we
could what would our message be?
"*****!"
"Stay the ***** out of my house!"
"Go clog someone else's air filter for a change!
"Die! Die! Die!"
Just goes to show how much more loving and caring the Creator God is
compared to us.
God bless
Carl
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| User: "Carl Rooker" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
23 Jan 2006 10:29:21 AM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:jARAf.1502$vp6.1062@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
IF there is a REAL god, why does he not clear up all the confusion, and
announce to the whole world from his heaven that he is the real god and
all
the others are fakes??? He does not seem to be capable of doing this.
He has, you just ignor any evidence that is contrary to your imagined
objections.
You ignor the archeological evidence that supports Scripture.
You ignor the proven track record of Scriptural prophecy.
You ignor the impact that the fact of the Ressurection has had on history.
You ignor the real, living relationship that has redeemed the lives of
billions of people.
The objective evidence is rather strong that NO GODS CREATED MAN but quite
the opposite;
that MAN CREATED IMAGINARY GODS!
No, the real objective evidence is that you can not handle any, so make up
such nonsense (and force it on others), to uphold your own delusions.
A list of God beliefs around the world:
Is any of them a real God?
The question for the Christian is not if any of these is a real god.
1 Cor. 8:5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on
earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6 yet for us there
is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live;
and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and
through whom we live. NIV
It is only your sinful pride that makes you think that the existence of
other gods negates the existence of the Father, Creator God.
God Bless
Carl
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| User: "Fred Stone" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
23 Jan 2006 03:25:53 PM |
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"Carl Rooker" <rookerc@dnx.net> wrote in
news:1138033795.216616@w9.dnx.net:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:jARAf.1502$vp6.1062@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
IF there is a REAL god, why does he not clear up all the confusion,
and announce to the whole world from his heaven that he is the real
god and all the others are fakes??? He does not seem to be capable of
doing this.
He has, you just ignor any evidence that is contrary to your imagined
objections.
You ignor the archeological evidence that supports Scripture.
There isn't any more than there is that supports the Iliad, which proves
that the Greek Gods exist.
You ignor the proven track record of Scriptural prophecy.
It has none. Anybody can write a sequel to a book.
You ignor the impact that the fact of the Ressurection has had on
history. You ignor the real, living relationship that has redeemed the
lives of billions of people.
Lots of fairy tales have had an impact on history.
The objective evidence is rather strong that NO GODS CREATED MAN but
quite the opposite;
that MAN CREATED IMAGINARY GODS!
No, the real objective evidence is that you can not handle any, so
make up such nonsense (and force it on others), to uphold your own
delusions.
When do you think you'll supply some of this real objective evidence?
A list of God beliefs around the world:
Is any of them a real God?
The question for the Christian is not if any of these is a real god.
The question for the Christian is why they will believe one fairy tale
and not the others?
1 Cor. 8:5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or
on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6 yet for
us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for
whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom
all things came and through whom we live. NIV
It is only your sinful pride that makes you think that the existence
of other gods negates the existence of the Father, Creator God.
It is the reality of the world that negates the existence of *any* God:
Creator, Father, Mother or Amorphous Blob.
--
Fred Stone
aa# 1369
"Point the finger and make a fuss
before someone points the finger at us."
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
23 Jan 2006 01:26:39 PM |
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"Carl Rooker" <rookerc@dnx.net> wrote in message
news:1138033795.216616@w9.dnx.net...
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:jARAf.1502$vp6.1062@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
IF there is a REAL god, why does he not clear up all the confusion, and
announce to the whole world from his heaven that he is the real god and
all
the others are fakes??? He does not seem to be capable of doing this.
He has, you just ignor any evidence that is contrary to your imagined
objections.
You ignor the archeological evidence that supports Scripture.
Nice claim but where is it???
You ignor the proven track record of Scriptural prophecy.
Nice claim but where is it???
You ignor the impact that the fact of the Ressurection has had on history.
Nice claim but where is it???
You ignor the real, living relationship that has redeemed the lives of
billions of people.
Nice claim but where is it???
The objective evidence is rather strong that NO GODS CREATED MAN but
quite
the opposite;
that MAN CREATED IMAGINARY GODS!
No, the real objective evidence is that you can not handle any, so make up
such nonsense (and force it on others), to uphold your own delusions.
Quite the contrary. My beliefs are based on objective verifiable evidence.
Yours are based on
the myths, fables, contradictory and impossible stories of the ancient
unauthenticated stories of the
Bibles copied by hundreds of men of unknown veracity but known prejeduces
like yourself.
A list of God beliefs around the world:
Is any of them a real God?
The question for the Christian is not if any of these is a real god.
1 Cor. 8:5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on
earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6 yet for us
there
is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we
live;
and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and
through whom we live. NIV
It is only your sinful pride that makes you think that the existence of
other gods negates the existence of the Father, Creator God.
No, your lack of any objective verifiable evidence for the existence of your
or any other god
negates belief in their existence.
God Bless
Carl
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| User: "wbarwell" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
23 Jan 2006 01:39:43 PM |
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Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:jARAf.1502$vp6.1062@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
IF there is a REAL god, why does he not clear up all the confusion,
and announce to the whole world from his heaven that he is the real
god and
all
the others are fakes??? He does not seem to be capable of doing this.
He has, you just ignor any evidence that is contrary to your imagined
objections.
Oh dear. here we go again.
What evidence have you at all for any god at all?
You xians keep wobbling into AA with that claim but
never, ever produce any evidence.
Where is that evidence?
You ignor the archeological evidence that supports Scripture.
None I know of. Christ prophecied he'd preside over judgment
day some 1930 years ago. So much for that.
You ignor the proven track record of Scriptural prophecy.
Like prophecies that Egypt would adopt Judiams?
Again, its bad.
You ignor the impact that the fact of the Ressurection has had on
history.
Mohammedism had a real impact oon history. So did Mao.
You ignor the real, living relationship that has redeemed the
lives of billions of people.
A myth that ha millions picking their noses and going
"Duhhhhh, Jesus!"
No, the real objective evidence is that you can not handle any, so make
up such nonsense (and force it on others), to uphold your own
delusions.
The question for the Christian is not if any of these is a real god.
1 Cor. 8:5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or
on earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6 yet for
us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for
whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all
things came and
through whom we live. NIV
Can you work a miracle like Jesus promises in John 14:12-14?
John 14:12-14
12: Verily, verily, I say unto you, He that
believeth on me, the works that I do shall he
do also; and greater works than these shall
he do; because I go unto my Father.
13: And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name,
that will I do, that the Father may be glorified
in the Son
14: If ye shall ask any thing in my name,
I will do it.
It is only your sinful pride that makes you think that the existence of
other gods negates the existence of the Father, Creator God.
Its hard evidence, son.
IS THERE A GOD?
Strong Atheism's answer.
A BASIC DEFINITION OF GOD.
The general overarching definition of god as per
the major religions of the world is:
A. God is personal, God has will and consciousness.
B. God has free will.
C. God is the creator of all.
D. God is omnipotent.
E. God is omnibenevolent.
F. God is omniscient.
G. God is that which nothing more powerful
can be imagined.
These are the basic attributes that can be claimed
for the god of orthodox Judaism, Christianity,
Islam, and Hinduism.
Omnibenevolence and omniscience are actually
logically derivable from the claimed attribute of
omnipotence and so aren't not truly independent
attributes, and may be considered special aspects
of omnipotence.
There are other attributes of god, that he is the
only such god, that he is is immortal and that
god has always existed that are not important
for this discussion and for now, can be ignored.
They are secondary arguments and are for the most
part not foundational or truly necessary, except
those that can be logically derived from the
attributes listed above.
A CLASS OF GODS
It is important to note here that this is a
definition not for a particular god, but an
entire class of gods.
Sub-theories about god are not important here.
Christianity claims one may attain salvation
only through Jesus, Islam claims the Christian
dogma that Jesus was the son of god is
blasphemous.
Ideas like this though, are of little importance
to the overarching and general claims made for a
personal, creator, omni-everything god. I have
coined a term, The Grand God of Grand Theologies
for this sort of god, this sort of theological
system of expansive claims for god.
Grand theologies are those theologies that have
adopted this class of god as their basic
attributes concerning the nature of god. But it
is important to remember here that what is being
discussed here is a class of gods, not particular
gods or specific gods.
THE FOUR GREAT THEOLOGICAL TRADITIONS
Again, Judaism, Christianity, Islam, Hinduism hold
to this basic Grand God and are typical Grand
Theologies holding to this basic class of god as
their basic definitions of what god is at god's
most basic level.
A big problem with this class of gods is, it
collapses rather easily into internal self-
contradiction.
THE PROBLEM OF EVIL.
The problem of evil was first written down by
Epicurus in about the third century BCE.
Today's formulation is:
A. God is defined as omnipotent;
B. and as omnibenevolent.
C. Evil exists.
D. God therefore, is not omnipotent as claimed.
E. Or God is not omnibenevolent as claimed.
F. Or god is neither omnipotent or
omnibenevolent.
G. Or god is not existant.
THE FREE WILL DEFENSE
The free will defense of the problem of evil goes
back to St. Augustine who popularized it. It is
still popular, and is championed most notably
today by Alvin Plantinga, but also by other
theologians.
God gave man free will. Man freely chooses to do
evil. Ability to do evil is less evil than
lacking free will.
THE FREE WILL DEFENSE DEBUNKED.
God has free will.
God is omnibenevolent, he has a good nature
incapable of doing evil.
A. If god can have free will, and a good nature,
this good nature is not allowed to count
against god's free will.
B. Nor is god's lack of ability to do evil
allowed to count against god's omnipotence.
C. Likewise, man could easily have a god like
free will and a god like good nature.
D. Inabilty then to do evil would no more count
against man's free will than it does for god's
free will.
E. If so, it also counts against god's free will
and god does not have free will as claimed.
F. If god does not have absolute and total free
will, thus free will is not a true necessity
at all.
F. If god is omnipotent and omnibenevolent, and
can give man a god like free will and a
god-like good nature incapable of moral evil,
god must do so or god is not moral, not
omnibenevolent.
G. Evil exists because he allows it to.
So free will does not exist, or it does and we can
have a god like free will and a god like good
nature. Either way, free will cannot explain away
the existence of evil. This free will defense
then, is a failed argument.
OMNISCIENCE VERSUS CREATORHOOD OF GOD
God is defined as creator of all in most
religions.
And god is claimed to be omniscient, all knowing.
A. God created the Universe and all in it.
B. God is omniscient, all knowing, he knows all
in the Universe and he knows the future of the
Universe and its contents.
C. If god creates a Universe, he will know that
in 13 billion years this Universe will have a
man named John Smith in it.
D. If John Smith is good and saved, or evil and
damned, God will know that.
E. As he knows that the Universe in its present
state will have a John Smith, god may then
contemplate the future state of Smith and
decide if he will tolerate an evil Smith.
F. If yes, Smith will be evil only because of a
specific personal and will choice made solely
by god.
G. If Smith is evil, then evil exists solely
because of a choice made by god. In fact all
moral evil done by creations of god will be
evil and do evil only because of personal and
willful creations of god allowing evil acts
to be done, by direct decision of god.
H. If evil exists in a world with an omniscient
creator god, it is solely and only because
god allows evil.
I. If evil exists solely because of personal
choices of god, god then is not as defined,
omnibenevolent.
J. Man and any other sentient being in such a
Universe cannot have any free will, not even
in principle. A Universe with a god that
creates all and knows all precludes free will
for all beings god creates in the strongest
possible manner.
The Grand God of Grand
Theology is thus self destroying, it is
incoherent and contradictory as a theory.
THE SITUATION SO FAR.
1. A minimalistic class of gods is defined, this
Grand God has been defined here with as few
terms as possible.
2. The problem of evil dooms such a claimed god.
3. The attempted defense, free will is fatally
flawed. God's good nature and free will doom
claims free will makes evil necessary for man
to have free will.
4. Omniscience and creatorhood of god further
doom claims of god's omnibenevolence and
man's free will free will cannot exist for
man. All evil is the direct and knowing
creation of god contradicting claims of
omnibenevolence.
5. Since Free will for man is totally impossible,
free will cannot be a good quality, much less
necessary.
Here, the Grand God of Grand Theology has
collapsed. As has Grand
Theology. As pointed out, this destroys the claims
and viability of an entire class of possible
gods,
all secondary and tertiary claims for such a god
of
this class also fail, as do dogmas or secondary
or tertiary claims.
If a these Grand Gods cannot exist as defined,
specific gods cannot, nor can claims such as this
or that Grand God sent this or that revelation to
man or some prophet or did this or that.
God is thus disproven and is utter irrelevant
to anything real and existant.
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It's all coming down! It's all coming down!
IT'S ALL COMING DOWN!
- Texas Chainsaw Massacre II
Cheerful Charlie
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
25 Jan 2006 05:14:05 AM |
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Carl Rooker wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:jARAf.1502$vp6.1062@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
IF there is a REAL god, why does he not clear up all the confusion, and
announce to the whole world from his heaven that he is the real god and
all
the others are fakes??? He does not seem to be capable of doing this.
He has, you just ignor any evidence that is contrary to your imagined
objections.
You ignor the archeological evidence that supports Scripture.
none
You ignor the proven track record of Scriptural prophecy.
LOL
You ignor the impact that the fact of the Ressurection has had on history.
a fable has an impact! I'm waiting to see or feel it!
You ignor the real, living relationship that has redeemed the lives of
billions of people.
religious gobbledeegook
The objective evidence is rather strong that NO GODS CREATED MAN but quite
the opposite;
that MAN CREATED IMAGINARY GODS!
No, the real objective evidence is that you can not handle any, so make up
such nonsense (and force it on others), to uphold your own delusions.
Errrrm isn't that what religionists are renowned for doing !?
A list of God beliefs around the world:
Is any of them a real God?
The question for the Christian is not if any of these is a real god.
It is a sane common sense question that you will not address because you know
it challenges your belief
1 Cor. 8:5 For even if there are so-called gods, whether in heaven or on
earth (as indeed there are many "gods" and many "lords"), 6 yet for us there
is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live;
and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and
through whom we live. NIV
It is only your sinful pride that makes you think that the existence of
other gods negates the existence of the Father, Creator God.
Tell that to a Hindu. There are milions of them that think just like you do
Carl
God Bless
Carl
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| User: "Don Kresch" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
24 Jan 2006 09:09:48 PM |
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In alt.atheism On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:29:21 -0500, "Carl Rooker"
<rookerc@dnx.net> let us all know that:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:jARAf.1502$vp6.1062@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
IF there is a REAL god, why does he not clear up all the confusion, and
announce to the whole world from his heaven that he is the real god and
all
the others are fakes??? He does not seem to be capable of doing this.
He has, you just ignor any evidence that is contrary to your imagined
objections.
You ignor the archeological evidence that supports Scripture.
Even if there is, so what?
You ignor the proven track record of Scriptural prophecy.
There isn't one.
You ignor the impact that the fact of the Ressurection has had on history.
No, it's a story, not a fact.
You ignor the real, living relationship that has redeemed the lives of
billions of people.
No, it's just imagined.
Only your self-hatred prevents you from acknowledging that
there is no god.
Don
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| User: "Christopher A. Lee" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
23 Jan 2006 10:53:49 AM |
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On Mon, 23 Jan 2006 11:29:21 -0500, "Carl Rooker" <rookerc@dnx.net>
wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:jARAf.1502$vp6.1062@bignews6.bellsouth.net...
IF there is a REAL god, why does he not clear up all the confusion, and
announce to the whole world from his heaven that he is the real god and
all
the others are fakes??? He does not seem to be capable of doing this.
He has, you just ignor any evidence that is contrary to your imagined
objections.
This can only be a deliberate lie.
You ignor the archeological evidence that supports Scripture.
What "archeological evidence that supports Scripture", liar?
You ignor the proven track record of Scriptural prophecy.
What "proven track record of Scriptural prophecy", liar
You ignor the impact that the fact of the Ressurection has had on history.
What "fact of the resurrection", liar?
You ignor the real, living relationship that has redeemed the lives of
billions of people.
What "real, living relationship that has redeemed the lives of
billions of people", liar
Nobody is ignoring anything. These are your baseless, worthless
assertions.
Do you honestly imagine that this kind of personal lie used as an ad
hominem, somehow supports your non-existent case
God Bless
Who farted, sanctimonious hypocrite?
Carl
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
23 Jan 2006 11:08:18 AM |
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God is love.
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| User: "Legion" |
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23 Jan 2006 11:13:37 AM |
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<bishopjonathanblake@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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God is love.
I hope you can back that up.......
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Legion
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"Each man is a spark in the darkness,
by the time he is noticed he is gone.
A faded retinal after-image,
obscured by newer brighter lights". - Liber Humanus
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| User: "Larry Heath" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
23 Jan 2006 06:46:19 PM |
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<bishopjonathanblake@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
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God is love.
KJV Sam 6:19
"And he smote the men of Bethshemesh, because they had looked into the ark
of the LORD, even he smote of the people fifty thousand and threescore and
ten men: and the people lamented, because the LORD had smitten many of the
people with a great slaughter."
Seems your Gawd of love just killed, what? 50,070 people, in this passage,
for looking in a frigging box! Remember this is the infallible word of Gawd!
KJV Gen 6:7
"And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of
the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the
air; for it repenteth me that I have made them."
Hell, Sam 6:19, is a mere pittance, Gawd, killed every damned, man, woman,
child on the face of the earth, save 8! He is the biggest mass murder of all
time. Remember this is the inerrant word of the one and only true, Gawd!
And this wanker, Gawd is love, is just getting warmed up, he is going, to
damned near kill everyone, AGAIN!, and he calls them all a bunch of *****,
just put a period on the sentence!
KJV Jer 25:33
"And the slain of the Lord shall be at that day from one end of the earth
even unto the other end of the earth: they shall not be lamented, neither
gathered, nor buried, they shall be dung upon the ground"
Gawd is love, Yah, right! My ruddy red rump! He is the greatest mass murder
of all time, hands down and walking away! Remember now, all this is all
straight out of the KJV Bible, this is the, absolute, undeniable,
infallible, inerrant, word for word, out of his mouth, words of, Gawd, his
self!
By comparison this dude makes, Stalin, Mao, Hitler and Pol Pot, look like a
pack of two bit chumps!
And you wonder why the world is such a mess, its because nearly half the
world reads this psychotic bible *****, and believes much of it lock stock
and barrel! Need we go into the other half that believes in a book with just
as much cockamamie crap. Is it any wonder, any wonder at all!
Later Larry
aa # 2216
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
23 Jan 2006 01:31:46 PM |
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<bishopjonathanblake@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1138036098.603936.14100@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
God is love.
Here is your gods love!
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Wars,
Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body malfunctions and
starvation? There are 12,000 known ailments and diseases that torture and
kill man. Why would this omnificent all loving god, all powerful god create
all these diseases to torture and kill his followers with??? These
catastrophes affect people of ALL religious beliefs including TOTALLY
INNOCENT CHILDREN!
Just one example of ridiculous ailments is a parasitic worm in West Africa
that bores through the eyes of innocent children and causes total blindness
for the rest of their lives. This is the work of an all caring and loving
god creator???
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally innocent children
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why does he permit 2,000,000 totally innocent children to
suffer and die of starvation each year? Why are his human creations designed
to deteriorate into a miserable and devastating old age?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes, stinging
and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring benevolent
god create animals (including man) that need to kill and eat other animals
to survive?
Why does this all powerful, all caring and all loving god not permit those
in his heaven to communicate the wonders of his heaven to their living
children, relatives and friends? Why all the secrecy and confusion? Unproven
claims by the mentally deranged and persons with selfish motives are not
objective verifiable evidence - they are just unsubstantiated silly claims.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
23 Jan 2006 04:56:21 PM |
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Bill wrote:
<bishopjonathanblake@ntlworld.com> wrote in message
news:1138036098.603936.14100@f14g2000cwb.googlegroups.com...
God is love.
Here is your gods love!
Why does this all powerful creator, all loving and caring intelligent
designer, create Plagues, Tsunamis, Tornadoes, Volcanic Eruptions, Wars,
Cancers and hundreds of debilitating diseases, serious body malfunctions and
starvation? There are 12,000 known ailments and diseases that torture and
kill man. Why would this omnificent all loving god, all powerful god create
all these diseases to torture and kill his followers with??? These
catastrophes affect people of ALL religious beliefs including TOTALLY
INNOCENT CHILDREN!
===>You know the answer to that: those are all NATURAL EVENTS,
having nothing to do with the brain child "god" of any theistic speculator. --
L.
Just one example of ridiculous ailments is a parasitic worm in West Africa
that bores through the eyes of innocent children and causes total blindness
for the rest of their lives. This is the work of an all caring and loving
god creator???
Why does this all powerful and caring god permit totally innocent children
to die at birth? Or worse, be born lacking eyesight, a fully developed
brain, deaf and dumb, missing limbs etc.? Why are some born idiots and
others with super intelligence? Why are some born into wealth and others
pauper poor? Why does he permit 2,000,000 totally innocent children to
suffer and die of starvation each year? Why are his human creations designed
to deteriorate into a miserable and devastating old age?
Why did this all powerful and loving creator create things like sharks,
jelly fish, octopus, lions, tigers, rhinoceros, poisonous snakes, stinging
and poisonous insects, poisonous plants etc.? Why did this caring benevolent
god create animals (including man) that need to kill and eat other animals
to survive?
Why does this all powerful, all caring and all loving god not permit those
in his heaven to communicate the wonders of his heaven to their living
children, relatives and friends? Why all the secrecy and confusion? Unproven
claims by the mentally deranged and persons with selfish motives are not
objective verifiable evidence - they are just unsubstantiated silly claims.
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
28 Jan 2006 12:02:01 AM |
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wrote:
God is love.
Sorry but I object to that.
Love is Love
Hate is Hate
and simplemindedness is simplemindedness
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
28 Jan 2006 07:13:57 AM |
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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bishopjonathanblake@ntlworld.com wrote:
God is love.
Sorry but I object to that.
Love is Love
Hate is Hate
and simplemindedness is simplemindedness
There you go again intolerantly telling other people what or who they
cannot choose as their God. As as long as we are free people, not subject to
an atheist dictatorship like
Communism, we WILL choose as our God whomever, or whatever we please.
You erased the qualifier "Our Christian" God is love. Not every god is
love. YOUR god or devil is atheism.
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| User: "Steve O" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
29 Jan 2006 06:00:32 AM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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bishopjonathanblake@ntlworld.com wrote:
God is love.
Sorry but I object to that.
Love is Love
Hate is Hate
and simplemindedness is simplemindedness
There you go again intolerantly telling other people what or who they
cannot choose as their God. As as long as we are free people, not subject
to an atheist dictatorship like
Communism, we WILL choose as our God whomever, or whatever we please.
You erased the qualifier "Our Christian" God is love. Not every god is
love. YOUR god or devil is atheism.
You simple fool.
The devil is a construct of your strange God belief.
You believe in the devil - atheists don't.
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: A VERY SIMPLE QUESTION |
29 Jan 2006 05:41:49 PM |
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"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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bishopjonathanblake@ntlworld.com wrote:
God is love.
Sorry but I object to that.
Love is Love
Hate is Hate
and simplemindedness is simplemindedness
There you go again intolerantly telling other people what or who they
cannot choose as their God. As as long as we are free people, not subject
to an atheist dictatorship like
Communism, we WILL choose as our God whomever, or whatever we please.
You erased the qualifier "Our Christian" God is love. Not every god is
love. YOUR god or devil is atheism.
You simple fool.
The devil is a construct of your strange God belief.
You believe in the devil - atheists don't.
Satan is a liar and the father of all lies. The first thing he makes his
stooges believe is that he doesn't exist, and you fell for it. But we all
know, that as long as evil exists, the devil which is evil incarnate exists.
"Simple fool" indeed!!!!!!
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29 Jan 2006 05:49:43 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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bishopjonathanblake@ntlworld.com wrote:
God is love.
Sorry but I object to that.
Love is Love
Hate is Hate
and simplemindedness is simplemindedness
There you go again intolerantly telling other people what or who they
cannot choose as their God. As as long as we are free people, not
subject
to an atheist dictatorship like
Communism, we WILL choose as our God whomever, or whatever we please.
You erased the qualifier "Our Christian" God is love. Not every god
is
love. YOUR god or devil is atheism.
You simple fool.
The devil is a construct of your strange God belief.
You believe in the devil - atheists don't.
Satan is a liar and the father of all lies.
Satan is a construct of your own religion.
It has no meaning or relevance outside of it.
The first thing he makes his
stooges believe is that he doesn't exist, and you fell for it. But we all
know, that as long as evil exists, the devil which is evil incarnate
exists.
"Simple fool" indeed!!!!!!
Good grief!
Of course!
I've been wrong all along.
That tricky little fucker Satan had me believing that he didn't exist for a
moment.
I wish I was as clever as you are , dude!
<pats Pastor Frank on the head nicely and backs off to a safe distance>
Hey!!
Why didn't you tell me this guy is a stark raving lunatic!!!!
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31 Jan 2006 06:49:53 PM |
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"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Steve O" <stoboyle@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Frank" <PF@christfirst.edu> wrote in message
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"bob young" <alaspectrum@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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bishopjonathanblake@ntlworld.com wrote:
God is love.
Sorry but I object to that.
Love is Love
Hate is Hate
and simplemindedness is simplemindedness
There you go again intolerantly telling other people what or who
they
cannot choose as their God. As as long as we are free people, not
subject
to an atheist dictatorship like
Communism, we WILL choose as our God whomever, or whatever we please.
You erased the qualifier "Our Christian" God is love. Not every god
is
love. YOUR god or devil is atheism.
You simple fool.
The devil is a construct of your strange God belief.
You believe in the devil - atheists don't.
Satan is a liar and the father of all lies.
Satan is a construct of your own religion.
It has no meaning or relevance outside of it.
The first thing he makes his
stooges believe is that he doesn't exist, and you fell for it. But we all
know, that as long as evil exists, the devil which is evil incarnate
exists.
"Simple fool" indeed!!!!!!
Good grief!
Of course!
I've been wrong all along.
That tricky little fucker Satan had me believing that he didn't exist for
a moment.
I wish I wa | | | | | | | | | |
