Religions > Bible > A Warning Regarding "Bible Bob" & His Denials Of The Holy Trinity
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Religions > Bible |
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"Carl" |
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01 Jun 2007 10:13:49 AM |
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A Warning Regarding "Bible Bob" & His Denials Of The Holy Trinity |
Recently "Bible Bob" wrote the following concerning the Biblical doctrine of
the Holy Trinity:
BB> It is not mentioned in the Bible. Trinitarians have added words
BB> to the versions, mistranslated the versions, and twisted
BB> passages from the versions but have not been able to document
BB> a Trinity from the word of God.
Folks, "Bible Bob" is being completely dishonest about this. The Holy
Trinity is taught in the Bible and has been shown to be Biblical time and
time again by many people. "Bible Bob" denies the Biblical doctrine of the
Holy Trinity and has to resort to disingenuous exegesis, erroneous
interpretations of passages, prooftexting and other deceitful methods.
"Bible Bob" may wrap his deceptions in a very friendly and respectful
package but it is still false teachings which the Bible teaches that we are
to avoid. His accusations against Trinitarians is patently false and are
intentional lies designed to mislead people away from Biblical truths. I
have posted many materials from Christians who have addressed the heresies
"Bible Bob" presents yet "Bible Bob" rejects them all even though they take
their information straight from the Bible (NO adding words, NO
mistranslations, NO twisting passages per "Bible Bob"'s claims) as well as
documented, historical information. "Bible Bob"'s heretical views are not
new and have been refuted numerous times. What also proves to be true is
that those who deny the Biblical doctrine of the Holy Trinity have to add
and/or delete words to the Bible, mistranslate either by error or
intentionally the Bible, twist passages, prooftext and generally utilize
dishonest means to attempt to support their positions. However in every
instance, the Bible, taken in totality, refutes their heretical stance.
I strongly suggest visiting the following URL's for Bible-based proof of the
Holy Trinity:
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/apologetics/AP0107W2.htm
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/apologetics/AP0207W2.htm
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/apologetics/AP0307W2.htm
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/apologetics/AP0407W2.htm
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/apologetics/AP0106W2A.htm
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t03.html
http://www.mbrem.com/god/trinity1.htm
http://www.aomin.org/trinitydef.html
http://www.joyfulheart.com/scholar/trinity.htm
http://www.gracenotes.info/topics/Trinity.html
http://www.nettally.com/saints/trin-78.txt
http://www.nettally.com/saints/jw117a
There are many, many more excellent websites maintained by Bible-believing
Christians that all explain clearly the Biblical doctrine of the Holy
Trinity. One reason Christians write such articles is that the Holy Trinity
is an extremely important Biblical doctrine that is under attack by cultists
around the world. And many Christians, are called upon to engage in
apologetics regarding orthodoxy.
May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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| User: "Carl" |
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| Title: Re: A Warning Regarding "Bible Bob" & His Denials Of The Holy Trinity |
01 Jun 2007 10:24:10 PM |
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"Rod" <kc0oeb@att.net> wrote in message
news:XS48i.7273$C96.3085@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
Carl wrote:
Recently "Bible Bob" wrote the following concerning the Biblical doctrine
of the Holy Trinity:
BB> It is not mentioned in the Bible. Trinitarians have added words
BB> to the versions, mistranslated the versions, and twisted
BB> passages from the versions but have not been able to document
BB> a Trinity from the word of God.
Folks, "Bible Bob" is being completely dishonest about this. The Holy
Trinity is taught in the Bible and has been shown to be Biblical time and
time again by many people. "Bible Bob" denies the Biblical doctrine of
the Holy Trinity and has to resort to disingenuous exegesis, erroneous
interpretations of passages, prooftexting and other deceitful methods.
Carl, please provide some proof that he is doing these things. I've seen
your accusations without any substantial evidence. If it is respect
that you want then EARN IT ! Provide some evidence !
Rod, when "Bible Bob" claims I haven't shown that the Bible calls the Father
Jehovah God, the Son Jehovah God and the Holy Spirit Jehovah God when I have
indeed done so several times then the only conclusion that can be reached is
that Bob's being dishonest about it. The archived Usenet articles prove
this. Furthermore, I have posted articles with solid Biblically sound
evidence of the Holy Trinity but Bible Bob claims what I quoted above with
absolutely no documented proof whatsoever. I know the sources I cited had
not added words to the Bible as Bob claimed. Nor have that mistranslated
passages as Bob claimed. Nor have they twisted passages as Bob claimed.
Bob's claims were all without proof and since I know the sources I cited did
not do what Bob accused then the only conclusion I can make is that Bob is
being dishonest about his accusations.
Rod, you wouldn't be applying a double-standard, would you? Bob's
accusations haven't been challenged by you as far as I can tell by looking
through recent Usenet articles. I will give you the benefit of a doubt that
you may have, but I haven't seen any challenge thus far.
If you do challenge Bob to provide evidence, please request he show
documented examples from all those I cited including, but not limited to,
John Ankerberg, Walter Martin, Matthew Slick, Woodrow Kroll, James White,
John Wesley, Adam Clarke, Matthew Henry, Josh McDowell, Charles F. Stanley,
David Jeremiah, Ron Rhodes, Ray Stedman, Ron Ritchie, Steve Zeisler, Charles
Haddon Spurgeon and a whole host of others. Bob has made his accusations
against Trinitarians yet the ones I cited (and the list I have provided it
merely a partial one -- there are more but this list were the names I could
remember off the top of my head) have not been refuted by Bob nor his
accusations proven. The fact is that the people I cited are not guilty of
what Bob accuses. Bob is attempting a strawman argument which is a
disingenuous tact in of itself.
May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: A Warning Regarding "Bible Bob" & His Denials Of The Holy Trinity |
02 Jun 2007 12:04:27 AM |
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 23:24:10 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:
"Rod" <kc0oeb@att.net> wrote in message
news:XS48i.7273$C96.3085@newssvr23.news.prodigy.net...
Carl wrote:
Recently "Bible Bob" wrote the following concerning the Biblical doctrine
of the Holy Trinity:
BB> It is not mentioned in the Bible. Trinitarians have added words
BB> to the versions, mistranslated the versions, and twisted
BB> passages from the versions but have not been able to document
BB> a Trinity from the word of God.
Folks, "Bible Bob" is being completely dishonest about this. The Holy
Trinity is taught in the Bible and has been shown to be Biblical time and
time again by many people. "Bible Bob" denies the Biblical doctrine of
the Holy Trinity and has to resort to disingenuous exegesis, erroneous
interpretations of passages, prooftexting and other deceitful methods.
Carl, please provide some proof that he is doing these things. I've seen
your accusations without any substantial evidence. If it is respect
that you want then EARN IT ! Provide some evidence !
Carl wrote:
Rod, when "Bible Bob" claims I haven't shown that the Bible calls the Father
Jehovah God, the Son Jehovah God and the Holy Spirit Jehovah God when I have
indeed done so several times then the only conclusion that can be reached is
that Bob's being dishonest about it.
BB responded:
Please quote "what" I said; not what your delusions lead you to think
I said. But since you brought it up, you have not. All you have done
is make assertions and post links and articles by other people. You
have not shown that you know what you are talking about.
Let's get something straight. You do NOT believe in the Trinity. You
mentally ascent to a Trinity but your mind does not know it to be true
because you have NOT experienced a Trinity. You have been trained to
parrot what others tell you to say. All you have done thus far is
make assertions without proof, quote other people, and post silly
links that no one in his right mind would follow . A link here or
there is okay; but you to imagi8ne yourself so powerful and so
influential that a person would follow numerous links because you say
so is insane.
You cannot prove from the rightly divided word of God that a Trinity
exists because you do NOT know how to search, understand, and expound
the Scriptures. You demonstrate those weaknesses in your posts. You
demonstrate your lack of certainty and your lack of faith by
bombarding the group with articles by people hoping that someone will
believe what the writer says. If you were so sure of your doctrine
you would not need to go into panic mode and produce post after post
on the same devisive subject. How many people's abilities and
integrity have you challenged to puff yourself up? You want to look
good to others; then be good and not a whiney little fake that rides
on the coat tails of others.
I have simply asked you to provide proof of the Trinity in YOUR own
words from the Scriptures. You have not been able to so so. You get
mad at yourself for your own weaknesses and inabilities and strike out
at others.
Carl wrote:
The archived Usenet articles prove this.
BB responded:
I think not. Post quotes. It isn't hard. Do it the same way you cut
and paste your articles.
Carl wrote:
Furthermore, I have posted articles with solid Biblically sound
evidence of the Holy Trinity but Bible Bob claims what I quoted above
with absolutely no documented proof whatsoever.
BB responded:
That is a lie. Where did I say "absolutely no documented proof
whatsoever"? What I have told you is share with us what you know from
the Scriptures and document from the Scriptures evidence of the
doctrine of the Trinity. You have not done so. You have simply
posted more articles by others.
I know you are smart enough to know the difference between yourself
and others. When I ask you for proof from you from the Scriptures;
that is what I am asking for. In that regard if I were the terrible
person you pretend that I am; why haven't you taken the time in love
to carefully and patiently explain from the Scriptures that the
Trinity is a true doctrine? Because you are not into love. You are
into showing people how many names you can drop and how scholarly you
are because you can devour and regurgitate the doctrines of men. Pride
is a snare and it snared you, Carl. You fell for Steve's trick and
have made yourself to look like a fool. I even warned you about what
he was doing. In response to my warning you went into fuill Steve
Winter impersonation mode.
Who multiposts the same post under different headers? Steve Winter
and Carl.
Who posts panic mode name calling posts like this one? Steve Winter
and Carl.
Who floods the group with posts? Steve Winter and Carl.
Then who can't remember what he posted or what people said in their
responses? Steve Winter and Carl.
In the OT the watchman was to stay awake and warn the city. If he
failed to do his job; he got punished. If he warned the city and the
city failed to heed his warning, their blood was not on his hands. I
warned you repeatedly and you kept on sticking your foot in your
mouth. Now you pretend to be God's watchman, warning people who know
me better than you do about me.
Carl, you are a fake. You wouldn't make a good pimple on a disciples
hindside. You lack discipline and self control. You lack knowledge,
wisdom and understanding.
That said, you are God's kid with just as much potential as me or any
other believer; maybe even more than me. Stop being a fool for Satan
and start being someone that God can say "This is my beloved son in
whom I am well pleased." All this fit throwing "I don't want to play
with you no more" "You can't play with my ball no more" childishness
is childishness
Carl wrote:
I know the sources I cited had not added words to the Bible as Bob
claimed. Nor have that mistranslated passages as Bob claimed. Nor have
they twisted passages as Bob claimed. Bob's claims were all without
proof and since I know the sources I cited did not do what Bob accused
then the only conclusion I can make is that Bob is being dishonest
about his accusations.
BB responded:
You condemn Steve for misrepresnetation but have no problem doing it
yourself. Post quotes to prove your statements. Just make sure that
you read what you wrote above before you do. Then reread it, then
post the quotes so I can rip what you said to pieces.
Here are some facts:
Trinitarians edited the King James Version of the Bible.
Words were added to the text that do not appear in the Greek. Every
Trinitarian Scholar knows this. So, why for example do they continue
to read "by Jesus Christ" at the end of Ephesians 3:9? Why do they
continue to read the added words in 1 John 5:8. Why do they
capitalize the G in God when it should be lower case or the H in Holy
or the S in Spirit (Ghost) when they know it should be lower case?
Why? Why do they add the definite atricle where it is not or not
quote it when it is in the Greek when they know it places emphasis on
the word it modifes? Why? Why? Why? Why do Trinitarians quote John
20:28 wuithout quoting verses 30 and 31? Why? Why do they quote John
8:58 when they know that the I am (and capitalize "am") when they know
that that the I am in Exodus 3:14 is from Hebrew that means "I will be
what I will be;" not I AM. It is Trinitarians who are using deception
to sucker people. It was Trinitarians who desired death and
excommunication for non-Trinitarians.
Trinitarians have to beleive the Trinity because it makes them money.
YOU make money because of the Trinity. You lose your income if you
don't.
I get paid nothing for the word of God or service to the body. Never
have and never will because filthy lucre corrupts. My loyalty is to
God, Jesus Christ, and the word of God and the body of Christ; not
some denomination that will sacrifice truth for money or pride.
Because I am not a slave to a denomination I can change my views
immediately when I learn I have been wrong.
Standfast in the liberty wherewith Christ has made you free and stop
being a slave to money and pride.
Carl wrote:
Rod, you wouldn't be applying a double-standard, would you? Bob's
accusations haven't been challenged by you as far as I can tell by looking
through recent Usenet articles. I will give you the benefit of a doubt that
you may have, but I haven't seen any challenge thus far.
BB responded:
Trying to cause a schism in the body? Go for it. Reveal your
accusing demanding self promoting nature.
Carl wrote:
If you do challenge Bob to provide evidence, please request he show
documented examples from all those I cited including, but not limited to,
John Ankerberg, Walter Martin, Matthew Slick, Woodrow Kroll, James White,
John Wesley, Adam Clarke, Matthew Henry, Josh McDowell, Charles F. Stanley,
David Jeremiah, Ron Rhodes, Ray Stedman, Ron Ritchie, Steve Zeisler, Charles
Haddon Spurgeon and a whole host of others. Bob has made his accusations
against Trinitarians yet the ones I cited (and the list I have provided it
merely a partial one -- there are more but this list were the names I could
remember off the top of my head) have not been refuted by Bob nor his
accusations proven. The fact is that the people I cited are not guilty of
what Bob accuses. Bob is attempting a strawman argument which is a
disingenuous tact in of itself.
BB responded:
You got to be out of your mind. Talk about owning up to name dropping
and admitting that you know nothing and are dependent on what you
think others know. "Off the top of your head" Wow! You are so smart
that you can remember all those names! I am impressed. Wow! How
smart you are. Why isn't God, Jesus Christ, Paul, Peter, Matthew,
Mark, Luke, John, or Jude in that list of names? Ever heard of them?
Because you worship men and concern yourself with men and do not
concern yourself with that which can help you become a disciople of
the Lord Jesus Christ. You worship the creation before the Creator.
Rom 1:25 KJV
Who changed the truth of God into a lie, and worshipped and served the
creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.
BB Concludes.
Carl, get your head out of your butt and start doing what God called
you to do. He did not call you to start a religious war or to be a
martyr for some denomination or to be a lap dog for some guy with a
famous name.
Where is the love?
May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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| User: "The_Sage" |
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| Title: Re: A Warning Regarding "Bible Bob" & His Denials Of The Holy Trinity |
01 Jun 2007 08:26:58 PM |
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Reply to article by: "Carl" <saints@nettally.com>
Date written: Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:13:49 -0400
MsgID:<f3pd3f$fg9$1@news.utelfla.com>
Recently "Bible Bob" wrote the following concerning the Biblical doctrine of
the Holy Trinity:
BB> It is not mentioned in the Bible. Trinitarians have added words
BB> to the versions, mistranslated the versions, and twisted
BB> passages from the versions but have not been able to document
BB> a Trinity from the word of God.
Folks, "Bible Bob" is being completely dishonest about this. The Holy
Trinity is taught in the Bible and has been shown to be Biblical time and
time again by many people.
So in your quest to be "completely honest", demonstrate for us where the word
"Trinity" appears in the Bible, and thereby proving "Bible Bob" wrong. If that
word doesn't appear, try finding the words "God the Son". If those words also
don't appear, see if the Bible ever refers to Jesus as "Almighty God". Why is it
there are whole chapters in the Bible devoted to love and salvation and fruits
of the Spirit, but there are no chapters or sermons devoted to the Trinity? All
we have are a few sentences scattered about in a hodge podge fashion in the
Bible. The Trinity, if we pretend it exists, clearly isn't as important to God
and the Holy Spirit as any other subject covered in the Bible. If it wasn't
important enough for God and the Holy Spirit to discuss it, then it isn't
important enough for anyone else to discuss it.
The Sage
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"...I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in
one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you
dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why
I dismiss yours" (Stephen F. Roberts)
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: A Warning Regarding "Bible Bob" & His Denials Of The Holy Trinity |
02 Jun 2007 01:05:01 AM |
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Carl wrote:
Recently "Bible Bob" wrote the following concerning the Biblical doctrine of
the Holy Trinity:
BB> It is not mentioned in the Bible. Trinitarians have added words
BB> to the versions, mistranslated the versions, and twisted
BB> passages from the versions but have not been able to document
BB> a Trinity from the word of God.
Folks, "Bible Bob" is being completely dishonest about this. The Holy
Trinity is taught in the Bible and has been shown to be Biblical time and
time again by many people. "Bible Bob" denies the Biblical doctrine of the
Holy Trinity and has to resort to disingenuous exegesis, erroneous
interpretations of passages, prooftexting and other deceitful methods.
"Bible Bob" may wrap his deceptions in a very friendly and respectful
package but it is still false teachings which the Bible teaches that we are
to avoid. His accusations against Trinitarians is patently false and are
intentional lies designed to mislead people away from Biblical truths. I
have posted many materials from Christians who have addressed the heresies
"Bible Bob" presents yet "Bible Bob" rejects them all even though they take
their information straight from the Bible (NO adding words, NO
mistranslations, NO twisting passages per "Bible Bob"'s claims) as well as
documented, historical information. "Bible Bob"'s heretical views are not
new and have been refuted numerous times.
"Christians, it is needless to say, utterly detest each other. They slander
each other constantly with the vilest forms of abuse and cannot come to any
sort of agreement in their teachings. Each sect brands its own, fills the head
of its own with deceitful nonsense, and makes perfect little pigs of those it
wins over to its side."
[R.J.Hoffmann]
Oh and by the way - The Trinitiy is simply the applkcation of an old adage that
may even predate Christianity.............
"Three is more believable than one"
Have a nice day
Bob
What also proves to be true is
that those who deny the Biblical doctrine of the Holy Trinity have to add
and/or delete words to the Bible, mistranslate either by error or
intentionally the Bible, twist passages, prooftext and generally utilize
dishonest means to attempt to support their positions. However in every
instance, the Bible, taken in totality, refutes their heretical stance.
I strongly suggest visiting the following URL's for Bible-based proof of the
Holy Trinity:
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/apologetics/AP0107W2.htm
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/apologetics/AP0207W2.htm
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/apologetics/AP0307W2.htm
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/apologetics/AP0407W2.htm
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/apologetics/AP0106W2A.htm
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t03.html
http://www.mbrem.com/god/trinity1.htm
http://www.aomin.org/trinitydef.html
http://www.joyfulheart.com/scholar/trinity.htm
http://www.gracenotes.info/topics/Trinity.html
http://www.nettally.com/saints/trin-78.txt
http://www.nettally.com/saints/jw117a
There are many, many more excellent websites maintained by Bible-believing
Christians that all explain clearly the Biblical doctrine of the Holy
Trinity. One reason Christians write such articles is that the Holy Trinity
is an extremely important Biblical doctrine that is under attack by cultists
around the world. And many Christians, are called upon to engage in
apologetics regarding orthodoxy.
May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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| User: "Rod" |
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| Title: Re: A Warning Regarding "Bible Bob" & His Denials Of The Holy Trinity |
01 Jun 2007 09:18:15 PM |
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Carl wrote:
Recently "Bible Bob" wrote the following concerning the Biblical doctrine of
the Holy Trinity:
BB> It is not mentioned in the Bible. Trinitarians have added words
BB> to the versions, mistranslated the versions, and twisted
BB> passages from the versions but have not been able to document
BB> a Trinity from the word of God.
Folks, "Bible Bob" is being completely dishonest about this.
Carl, the bible teaches a manifestation of 3, The Father, The Son,
The Holy Spirit, as for the word "trinity", it is not in the scriptures.
This is a more a misunderstanding than an argument...
Rod
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: A Warning Regarding "Bible Bob" & His Denials Of The Holy Trinity |
01 Jun 2007 06:05:58 PM |
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On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:13:49 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:
Recently "Bible Bob" wrote the following concerning the Biblical doctrine of
the Holy Trinity:
BB> It is not mentioned in the Bible. Trinitarians have added words
BB> to the versions, mistranslated the versions, and twisted
BB> passages from the versions but have not been able to document
BB> a Trinity from the word of God.
Folks, "Bible Bob" is being completely dishonest about this. The Holy
Trinity is taught in the Bible and has been shown to be Biblical time and
time again by many people. "Bible Bob" denies the Biblical doctrine of the
Holy Trinity and has to resort to disingenuous exegesis, erroneous
interpretations of passages, prooftexting and other deceitful methods.
"Bible Bob" may wrap his deceptions in a very friendly and respectful
package but it is still false teachings which the Bible teaches that we are
to avoid. His accusations against Trinitarians is patently false and are
intentional lies designed to mislead people away from Biblical truths. I
have posted many materials from Christians who have addressed the heresies
"Bible Bob" presents yet "Bible Bob" rejects them all even though they take
their information straight from the Bible (NO adding words, NO
mistranslations, NO twisting passages per "Bible Bob"'s claims) as well as
documented, historical information. "Bible Bob"'s heretical views are not
new and have been refuted numerous times. What also proves to be true is
that those who deny the Biblical doctrine of the Holy Trinity have to add
and/or delete words to the Bible, mistranslate either by error or
intentionally the Bible, twist passages, prooftext and generally utilize
dishonest means to attempt to support their positions. However in every
instance, the Bible, taken in totality, refutes their heretical stance.
I strongly suggest visiting the following URL's for Bible-based proof of the
Holy Trinity:
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/apologetics/AP0107W2.htm
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/apologetics/AP0207W2.htm
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/apologetics/AP0307W2.htm
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/apologetics/AP0407W2.htm
http://www.ankerberg.com/Articles/apologetics/AP0106W2A.htm
http://www.apologeticsindex.org/t03.html
http://www.mbrem.com/god/trinity1.htm
http://www.aomin.org/trinitydef.html
http://www.joyfulheart.com/scholar/trinity.htm
http://www.gracenotes.info/topics/Trinity.html
http://www.nettally.com/saints/trin-78.txt
http://www.nettally.com/saints/jw117a
There are many, many more excellent websites maintained by Bible-believing
Christians that all explain clearly the Biblical doctrine of the Holy
Trinity. One reason Christians write such articles is that the Holy Trinity
is an extremely important Biblical doctrine that is under attack by cultists
around the world. And many Christians, are called upon to engage in
apologetics regarding orthodoxy.
May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
Carl,
LOL! Are you sure you are not Steve? Repeating posts in different
threads in panic mode. Sheesh. I told you you were bing influenced
by him; but you wouldn't believe me. Now you are imitating him. He
sure played you as a sucker and you fell for it hook, line, and
sinker.
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| User: "Rod" |
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| Title: Re: A Warning Regarding me changing my email addy... |
01 Jun 2007 10:40:48 PM |
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Bible Bob wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:13:49 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:
Recently "Bible Bob" wrote the following
Bob, my email addy has changed if you hadn't noticed it...
Rod
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: A Warning Regarding me changing my email addy... |
02 Jun 2007 12:39:09 AM |
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On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:40:48 -0500, Rod <kc0oeb@att.net> wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:13:49 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:
Recently "Bible Bob" wrote the following
Bob, my email addy has changed if you hadn't noticed it...
Rod
Rod,
Duh! Nope, I didn't notice. Is the address above correct?
I don't really understand this response. It is a response to a
non-post or the subject line was changed.
Me not Puter man like you.:)
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| User: "Rod" |
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| Title: Re: A Warning Regarding me changing my email addy... |
02 Jun 2007 08:35:34 AM |
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Bible Bob wrote:
On Fri, 01 Jun 2007 22:40:48 -0500, Rod < > wrote:
Bible Bob wrote:
On Fri, 1 Jun 2007 11:13:49 -0400, "Carl" <saints@nettally.com> wrote:
Recently "Bible Bob" wrote the following
Bob, my email addy has changed if you hadn't noticed it...
Rod
Rod,
Duh! Nope, I didn't notice. Is the address above correct?
I don't really understand this response. It is a response to a
non-post or the subject line was changed.
Me not Puter man like you.:)
Sorry ! It's
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| User: "Merlin" |
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| Title: Re: A Warning Regarding "Bible Bob" & His Denials Of The Holy Trinity |
01 Jun 2007 01:45:46 PM |
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On Jun 1, 11:13 am, "Carl" <sai...@nettally.com> wrote:
Recently "Bible Bob" wrote the following concerning the Biblical doctrine of
the Holy Trinity:
BB> It is not mentioned in the Bible. Trinitarians have added words
BB> to the versions, mistranslated the versions, and twisted
BB> passages from the versions but have not been able to document
BB> a Trinity from the word of God.
Folks, "Bible Bob" is being completely dishonest about this.
you don't mention any scripture to refute what is said..........
it is the same with homophobia, there isn't one mention of
homosexaulity in the bible and yet people will go on for hours about
and refuse to address the reality.
where is the scripture that makes ******* bob wrong on this one?
there are tons of mistranslations of the bible. there are words in
the bible that didn't exist 2000 years ago. so please tell us where
the scripture is since you disagree with biblical bobby.
in love,
merlin
alt.bible, alt.religion.christian, alt.religion.christian.baptist,
alt.religion.christian.methodist, alt.christnet,
alt.religion.christian.pentecostal, free.christians
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| User: "Ssam" |
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| Title: Re: A Warning Regarding "Bible Bob" & His Denials Of The Holy Trinity |
01 Jun 2007 07:32:35 PM |
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"Merlin" <merlinator@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180723546.756249.67140@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 1, 11:13 am, "Carl" <sai...@nettally.com> wrote:
Recently "Bible Bob" wrote the following concerning the Biblical doctrine
of
the Holy Trinity:
BB> It is not mentioned in the Bible. Trinitarians have added words
BB> to the versions, mistranslated the versions, and twisted
BB> passages from the versions but have not been able to document
BB> a Trinity from the word of God.
Folks, "Bible Bob" is being completely dishonest about this.
you don't mention any scripture to refute what is said..........
it is the same with homophobia, there isn't one mention of
homosexaulity in the bible and yet people will go on for hours about
and refuse to address the reality.
where is the scripture that makes ******* bob wrong on this one?
there are tons of mistranslations of the bible. there are words in
the bible that didn't exist 2000 years ago.
And words that existed 2000 years ago are not there now. This should be
common knowledge.
so please tell us where
the scripture is since you disagree with biblical bobby.
in love,
merlin
alt.bible, alt.religion.christian, alt.religion.christian.baptist,
alt.religion.christian.methodist, alt.christnet,
alt.religion.christian.pentecostal, free.christians
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| User: "Merlin" |
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| Title: Re: A Warning Regarding "Bible Bob" & His Denials Of The Holy Trinity |
04 Jun 2007 10:49:46 AM |
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On Jun 1, 8:32 pm, "Ssam" <s...@blueyonder.co.uk> wrote:
And words that existed 2000 years ago are not there now. This should be
common knowledge.
the words of your bible are not in yiddish either. the original bible
is in greek. so jesus spoke greek in the temple at 13 to the high
priests? jesus spoke greek in the temple yard while abusing the money
changers? jesus spoke greek all over isreal while preaching to the
isrealites? jesus spoke greek to pontius pilote while being judged a
criminal?
does this not tell you there is a language problem between the text
you have, the history of the text and the reality behind the story?
that your bible is at least two languages away from the original
spoken language does not make you want to learn more of the influences
on the original greek text?
in love,
merlin
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: A Warning Regarding "Bible Bob" & His Denials Of The Holy Trinity |
02 Jun 2007 10:42:44 AM |
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"Merlin" <merlinator@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180723546.756249.67140@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 1, 11:13 am, "Carl" <sai...@nettally.com> wrote:
Recently "Bible Bob" wrote the following concerning the Biblical doctrine
of
the Holy Trinity:
BB> It is not mentioned in the Bible. Trinitarians have added words
BB> to the versions, mistranslated the versions, and twisted
BB> passages from the versions but have not been able to document
BB> a Trinity from the word of God.
Folks, "Bible Bob" is being completely dishonest about this.
you don't mention any scripture to refute what is said..........
it is the same with homophobia, there isn't one mention of
homosexaulity in the bible and yet people will go on for hours about
and refuse to address the reality.
where is the scripture that makes ******* bob wrong on this one?
there are tons of mistranslations of the bible. there are words in
the bible that didn't exist 2000 years ago. so please tell us where
the scripture is since you disagree with biblical bobby.
in love,
merlin
Christians totally base their faith on the Bibles.
The Bibles are nothing more than books of myths, fables, contradictions,
human and animal sacrifices, genocide, slaveholding, misogyny, destruction,
barbarisms, and impossible tales. They are not accurate history and
certainly are not the words of any god unless he is an insane and totally
untrustworthy monster. They are not even good fiction.
The average person today does not appreciate the difficulty and unlikelihood
of producing accurate transmissions of the original Bibles. Firstly there
are no originals in existence. They are all copies of copies of unknown
accuracy.
One of the problems with the accuracy of the Bibles is that when they were
copied, no marks of punctuation were used, no distinction was made between
lower case and upper case letters and more bizarre to modern script, no
spaces were used to separate words.
This kind of continuous writing was called "scriptuo continua"
'godisnowhere' could mean 'god is now here' or quit the opposite, 'god is no
where' depending on the spacing which not used at the time. This left
accurate interpretation very difficult and unlikely.
Add to this the natural occurrence of errors of transmission and the
intentional modification to suite the transcribers wishes and beliefs and
you have documents of highly questionable meaning and accuracy.
Further compounding the problem was the size and accuracy of the
vocabularies were much more limited than today.
The Bibles are a foundation of quicksand. There are NO ORIGINALS in
existence. Why would not any 'real' God protect the originals??? What are
available are altered copies of copies by unknown men of questionable
veracity. The books of the Bibles were written over 1,000 years before the
invention of the printing press. Even the so called originals were
supposedly written by 50 or more different authors of unknown veracity. They
are biased by, and dependent on the writings and opinions of the clergy. And
the status and survival of the clergy is totally dependent on their follower's
belief in their Bible stories. There are 18 different English versions alone
and there is no way of knowing how far they have wondered from the
originals.
And there is no evidence that even the originals are anything more than
inaccurate fiction.
Basing ones life and faith on these documents is not very sound reasoning.
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| User: "Carl" |
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| Title: Re: A Warning Regarding "Bible Bob" & His Denials Of The Holy Trinity |
01 Jun 2007 05:02:04 PM |
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"Merlin" <merlinator@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1180723546.756249.67140@o5g2000hsb.googlegroups.com...
On Jun 1, 11:13 am, "Carl" <sai...@nettally.com> wrote:
Recently "Bible Bob" wrote the following concerning the Biblical doctrine
of
the Holy Trinity:
BB> It is not mentioned in the Bible. Trinitarians have added words
BB> to the versions, mistranslated the versions, and twisted
BB> passages from the versions but have not been able to document
BB> a Trinity from the word of God.
Folks, "Bible Bob" is being completely dishonest about this.
you don't mention any scripture to refute what is said..........
Actually there is plenty of scripture to support the Holy Trinity and the
links I supplied utilize them effectively and correctly. Please take the
time to read them at your leisure.
May God bless,
Carl
website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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| User: "Merlin" |
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| Title: Re: A Warning Regarding "Bible Bob" & His Denials Of The Holy Trinity |
04 Jun 2007 10:42:26 AM |
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On Jun 1, 6:02 pm, "Carl" <sai...@nettally.com> wrote:
Actually there is plenty of scripture to support the Holy Trinity and the
links I supplied utilize them effectively and correctly. Please take the
time to read them at your leisure.
you were given the opportunity to mention even one....... and you
only say the above? LOL.
come back to honesty in jesus name.
merlin
alt.bible, alt.religion.christian, alt.religion.christian.baptist,
alt.religion.christian.methodist, alt.christnet,
alt.religion.christian.pentecostal, free.christians
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