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"Rev. Donald Spitz" |
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26 Jun 2004 05:03:21 PM |
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Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
26 Jun 2004 09:13:21 PM |
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"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in message
news:mpmDc.16577$WI2.2375@lakeread05...\
Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. If you have an abortion, you are
murdering your own baby.
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That's your opinion. I'm sure desperate women don't see a glob of cells a
"baby."
SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I know I am a sinner for meddling in women's
lives.
I believe you died horribly on the cross to take away my meddling
sins because your smoke belching father couldn't forgive the dimwits in the
Garden.
Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart
and be my Lord and my Savior so I can stop meddling in other people's lives,
and take away my sins.
http://www.ArmyofGod.com is coming to GET you! Repent! Repent or roast in
hell for all eternity to please our god.
EEEEKKKK!!!!
--
FP.....
"Men never do evil so completely and
cheerfully as when they do it from religious conviction."
~ Blaise Pascal (1623-1662) ~
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| User: "Pastor Frank" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
27 Jun 2004 01:23:50 AM |
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"Flower Power" <LiberateTheWomen@thisNGs.net> wrote in message
news:GLydnZTa0MrbsEPdRVn_iw@heartoftn.net...
"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in message
news:mpmDc.16577$WI2.2375@lakeread05...\
Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. If you have an abortion, you are
murdering your own baby.
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That's your opinion. I'm sure desperate women don't see a glob of cells a
"baby."
SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I know I am a sinner for meddling in women's
lives.
I believe you died horribly on the cross to take away my meddling
sins because your smoke belching father couldn't forgive the dimwits in
the
Garden.
Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart
and be my Lord and my Savior so I can stop meddling in other people's
lives,
and take away my sins.
You make a good case for retroactive abortions of all those who kill or
justify killing other human beings at any stage of development.
Pastor Frank
THE 10 COMMANDMENTS OF YHWH:
V. THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
27 Jun 2004 12:34:11 PM |
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"Pastor Frank" <PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> wrote in message
news:rCyDc.10228$MM5.2374@nntp-post.primus.ca...
You make a good case for retroactive abortions
* Yes, lets get a time machine and start to abort those who disagree with
us - right?
of all those who kill or
justify killing other human beings at any stage of development.
* Wow! How deep and profound. How Christian of you! ;-)
Pastor Frank
THE 10 COMMANDMENTS OF YHWH:
V. THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
* And then the same smoke and sulfur belching god proceeds to KILL thousands
of innocent lives in a huge regional flood. Such hypocrisy!!!
FP...........
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
27 Jun 2004 07:36:58 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 02:23:50 -0400, "Pastor Frank"
<PastorFrank@Christfirst.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<rCyDc.10228$MM5.2374@nntp-post.primus.ca> wrote:
"Flower Power" <LiberateTheWomen@thisNGs.net> wrote in message
news:GLydnZTa0MrbsEPdRVn_iw@heartoftn.net...
"Rev. Donald Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in message
news:mpmDc.16577$WI2.2375@lakeread05...\
Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. If you have an abortion, you are
murdering your own baby.
==================
That's your opinion. I'm sure desperate women don't see a glob of cells a
"baby."
SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I know I am a sinner for meddling in women's
lives.
I believe you died horribly on the cross to take away my meddling
sins because your smoke belching father couldn't forgive the dimwits in
the
Garden.
Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart
and be my Lord and my Savior so I can stop meddling in other people's
lives,
and take away my sins.
You make a good case for retroactive abortions of all those who kill or
justify killing other human beings at any stage of development.
The term 'retroactive abortion' is nothing more than windbag rhetoric
since it would require time travel.
A fetus is not a human being and can be terminated at will.
Pastor Frank
THE 10 COMMANDMENTS OF YHWH:
V. THOU SHALT NOT KILL.
Prove your source.
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
26 Jun 2004 08:48:34 PM |
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"Rev. Donald Spitz" wrote:
Second verse, same as the first...
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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27 Jun 2004 07:07:20 AM |
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On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:48:34 GMT, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@citlink.net> posted thusly:
"Rev. Donald Spitz" wrote:
Second verse, same as the first...
"I'm Henry the Eighth I am..." :)
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thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
28 Jun 2004 02:10:20 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:i1etd09h2nvu0v58ord2vod6g1md905j9m@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:48:34 GMT, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@citlink.net> posted thusly:
"Rev. Donald Spitz" wrote:
Second verse, same as the first...
"I'm Henry the Eighth I am..." :)
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Why don't you answer people's questions? Like - what makes you
think making abortion illegal will STOP abortions? Or do you suggest we
tie all women's legs together? Maybe we should have every women over the
age of 13 take a monthly pregnancy test and "imprison" those who are
pregnant for 9 months?
--
Flower Power....
And there is ALSO the option of obtaining a legal and safe
abortion that will immediately get her life BACK on track as though
the unwanted pregnancy had never occured. No harm done, except for
spending some time and money on the reasonable fee charged
(a fraction of giving birth). After aborting, her well-being
and full range of future opportunities will have immediately been
RESTORED to before the unwanted pregnancy. (Insp. by GR).
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| User: "Carl Rooker" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
28 Jun 2004 08:53:55 AM |
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"Flower Power" <LiberatedWomen@Freedom.net> wrote in message
news:18OdnXeCHvf9WULdRVn-vg@heartoftn.net...
"Pastor Dave" <nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:i1etd09h2nvu0v58ord2vod6g1md905j9m@4ax.com...
On Sun, 27 Jun 2004 01:48:34 GMT, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@citlink.net> posted thusly:
"Rev. Donald Spitz" wrote:
Second verse, same as the first...
"I'm Henry the Eighth I am..." :)
================================
Why don't you answer people's questions? Like - what makes you
think making abortion illegal will STOP abortions? Or do you suggest we
tie all women's legs together? Maybe we should have every women over the
age of 13 take a monthly pregnancy test and "imprison" those who are
pregnant for 9 months?
--
Flower Power....
And there is ALSO the option of obtaining a legal and safe
abortion that will immediately get her life BACK on track as though
the unwanted pregnancy had never occured. No harm done, except for
spending some time and money on the reasonable fee charged
(a fraction of giving birth). After aborting, her well-being
and full range of future opportunities will have immediately been
RESTORED to before the unwanted pregnancy. (Insp. by GR).
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Funny that you should mention such a solution.....Because no anti abortion
advocat is.
And, you ignor the harm done to the baby.
God Bless
Carl
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| User: "Pastor Flower Power" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
28 Jun 2004 09:19:48 PM |
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"Carl Rooker" <rookerc@dnx.net> wrote in message
news:1088430858.373527@w9.dnx.net...
"Flower Power" <LiberatedWomen@Freedom.net> wrote in message
news:18OdnXeCHvf9WULdRVn-vg@heartoftn.net...
And there is ALSO the option of obtaining a legal and safe
abortion that will immediately get her life BACK on track as though
the unwanted pregnancy had never occured. No harm done, except for
spending some time and money on the reasonable fee charged
(a fraction of giving birth). After aborting, her well-being
and full range of future opportunities will have immediately been
RESTORED to before the unwanted pregnancy. (Insp. by GR).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Funny that you should mention such a solution.....Because no anti abortion
advocat is.
And, you ignor the harm done to the baby.
** And YOU ignore the harm done to the women (or teenager) who is
forced/coerced to bear an unwanted child. You ignore her future and her
welfare. You also ignore the horrible plight of unwanted or disabled
children dumped on the State.
God Bless
Carl
--
Pastor FPower.......
But look what your Jehovah god said in his bible:
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones." (Infanticide approved by god)
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| User: "Carl Rooker" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
29 Jun 2004 09:21:07 AM |
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"Pastor Flower Power" <LiberatedWomen@Freedoms.house> wrote in message
news:G9qdnaENWv1bTH3dRVn-uw@heartoftn.net...
"Carl Rooker" <rookerc@dnx.net> wrote in message
news:1088430858.373527@w9.dnx.net...
"Flower Power" <LiberatedWomen@Freedom.net> wrote in message
news:18OdnXeCHvf9WULdRVn-vg@heartoftn.net...
And there is ALSO the option of obtaining a legal and safe
abortion that will immediately get her life BACK on track as though
the unwanted pregnancy had never occured. No harm done, except for
spending some time and money on the reasonable fee charged
(a fraction of giving birth). After aborting, her well-being
and full range of future opportunities will have immediately been
RESTORED to before the unwanted pregnancy. (Insp. by GR).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Funny that you should mention such a solution.....Because no anti
abortion
advocat is.
And, you ignor the harm done to the baby.
** And YOU ignore the harm done to the women (or teenager) who is
forced/coerced to bear an unwanted child. You ignore her future and her
welfare. You also ignore the horrible plight of unwanted or disabled
children dumped on the State.
Nonsense. I do not ignor either. But the solution to her problems is not
murder.
Nor is the solution to dump such children onto the state.
Personal responsibility is the solution. To not create said baby in the
first place, unless one is ready to accept the responsibility, and then to
accept the
responsibility for caring for said baby once it is created.
And, that is what the abortion debate is all about in the first place,
accepting the responsibility for ones actions, or not.
But to kill the child in an attempt to duck said responsibility is a most
selfish, evil, and repugnant act. Your response quite highlights the
selfishness of it.
(For those who have done so, and regret it, remember that there is still
forgiveness with God through His Son Jesus Christ. He died so we could be
reconciled with the Father, no matter what we may have done.)
God Bless
Carl
God Bless
Carl
--
Pastor FPower.......
But look what your Jehovah god said in his bible:
Psalm 137:9
"Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the
stones." (Infanticide approved by god)
======================================
Just another bland attempt to take Scripture out of context, to make it say
something it does not.
PS 137:8 O Daughter of Babylon, doomed to destruction,
happy is he who repays you
for what you have done to us--
PS 137:9 he who seizes your infants
and dashes them against the rocks. NIV
Simply a lament for the evil done by Babylon to Jerusalem. The author is
asking that what was done to them would be repaid back to them.
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
29 Jun 2004 09:35:05 AM |
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Carl Rooker wrote:
"Pastor Flower Power" <LiberatedWomen@Freedoms.house> wrote in message
news:G9qdnaENWv1bTH3dRVn-uw@heartoftn.net...
"Carl Rooker" <rookerc@dnx.net> wrote in message
news:1088430858.373527@w9.dnx.net...
"Flower Power" <LiberatedWomen@Freedom.net> wrote in message
news:18OdnXeCHvf9WULdRVn-vg@heartoftn.net...
And there is ALSO the option of obtaining a legal and safe
abortion that will immediately get her life BACK on track as though
the unwanted pregnancy had never occured. No harm done, except for
spending some time and money on the reasonable fee charged
(a fraction of giving birth). After aborting, her well-being
and full range of future opportunities will have immediately been
RESTORED to before the unwanted pregnancy. (Insp. by GR).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Funny that you should mention such a solution.....Because no anti
abortion
advocat is.
And, you ignor the harm done to the baby.
** And YOU ignore the harm done to the women (or teenager) who is
forced/coerced to bear an unwanted child. You ignore her future and her
welfare. You also ignore the horrible plight of unwanted or disabled
children dumped on the State.
Nonsense. I do not ignor either. But the solution to her problems is not
murder.
Fortunately, murder is illegal, so any attempt on her part to murder
some child would be prosecuted.
Now...Why do you think it is that women who choose to abort a pregnancy
aren't prosecuted for murder?
Nor is the solution to dump such children onto the state.
Personal responsibility is the solution. To not create said baby in the
first place, unless one is ready to accept the responsibility, and then to
accept the
responsibility for caring for said baby once it is created.
And, that is what the abortion debate is all about in the first place,
accepting the responsibility for ones actions, or not.
Sometimes, having an abortion IS the responsible course of action.
But to kill the child in an attempt to duck said responsibility is a most
selfish, evil, and repugnant act. Your response quite highlights the
selfishness of it.
(For those who have done so, and regret it, remember that there is still
forgiveness with God through His Son Jesus Christ. He died so we could be
reconciled with the Father, no matter what we may have done.)
Then what's the point? Just have an abortion and say "I'm sorry".
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| User: "Carl Rooker" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
30 Jun 2004 12:17:18 PM |
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"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40E17E3D.ED8DA52D@citlink.net...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Pastor Flower Power" <LiberatedWomen@Freedoms.house> wrote in message
news:G9qdnaENWv1bTH3dRVn-uw@heartoftn.net...
"Carl Rooker" <rookerc@dnx.net> wrote in message
news:1088430858.373527@w9.dnx.net...
"Flower Power" <LiberatedWomen@Freedom.net> wrote in message
news:18OdnXeCHvf9WULdRVn-vg@heartoftn.net...
And there is ALSO the option of obtaining a legal and safe
abortion that will immediately get her life BACK on track as
though
the unwanted pregnancy had never occured. No harm done, except
for
spending some time and money on the reasonable fee charged
(a fraction of giving birth). After aborting, her well-being
and full range of future opportunities will have immediately been
RESTORED to before the unwanted pregnancy. (Insp. by GR).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Funny that you should mention such a solution.....Because no anti
abortion
advocat is.
And, you ignor the harm done to the baby.
** And YOU ignore the harm done to the women (or teenager) who is
forced/coerced to bear an unwanted child. You ignore her future and
her
welfare. You also ignore the horrible plight of unwanted or disabled
children dumped on the State.
Nonsense. I do not ignor either. But the solution to her problems is
not
murder.
Fortunately, murder is illegal, so any attempt on her part to murder
some child would be prosecuted.
Now...Why do you think it is that women who choose to abort a pregnancy
aren't prosecuted for murder?
Because the people of this country have been so enamored with themselves,
that they ignore the consequences of their own actions.
A trite saying about this is, "Your right to swing your fist ends at my
nose."
So, people ignore the unborn child, and their right to exist (even claiming
they have no rights), in favor of living foolishly, selfishly, and in a very
dangerous manner.
Endeavoring to be free, they ignore the end of others noses.
God Bless
Carl
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
30 Jun 2004 01:03:46 PM |
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Carl Rooker wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40E17E3D.ED8DA52D@citlink.net...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Pastor Flower Power" <LiberatedWomen@Freedoms.house> wrote in message
news:G9qdnaENWv1bTH3dRVn-uw@heartoftn.net...
"Carl Rooker" <rookerc@dnx.net> wrote in message
news:1088430858.373527@w9.dnx.net...
"Flower Power" <LiberatedWomen@Freedom.net> wrote in message
news:18OdnXeCHvf9WULdRVn-vg@heartoftn.net...
And there is ALSO the option of obtaining a legal and safe
abortion that will immediately get her life BACK on track as
though
the unwanted pregnancy had never occured. No harm done, except
for
spending some time and money on the reasonable fee charged
(a fraction of giving birth). After aborting, her well-being
and full range of future opportunities will have immediately been
RESTORED to before the unwanted pregnancy. (Insp. by GR).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Funny that you should mention such a solution.....Because no anti
abortion
advocat is.
And, you ignor the harm done to the baby.
** And YOU ignore the harm done to the women (or teenager) who is
forced/coerced to bear an unwanted child. You ignore her future and
her
welfare. You also ignore the horrible plight of unwanted or disabled
children dumped on the State.
Nonsense. I do not ignor either. But the solution to her problems is
not
murder.
Fortunately, murder is illegal, so any attempt on her part to murder
some child would be prosecuted.
Now...Why do you think it is that women who choose to abort a pregnancy
aren't prosecuted for murder?
Because the people of this country have been so enamored with themselves,
that they ignore the consequences of their own actions.
Electing to undergo an invasive surgical procedure is ignoring the
consequences of their own actions?
A trite saying about this is, "Your right to swing your fist ends at my
nose."
Very true.
So, people ignore the unborn child, and their right to exist (even claiming
they have no rights),
They DON'T have any rights.
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| User: "Carl Rooker" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
01 Jul 2004 12:36:57 PM |
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"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40E300A2.663B46EB@citlink.net...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40E17E3D.ED8DA52D@citlink.net...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Pastor Flower Power" <LiberatedWomen@Freedoms.house> wrote in
message
news:G9qdnaENWv1bTH3dRVn-uw@heartoftn.net...
"Carl Rooker" <rookerc@dnx.net> wrote in message
news:1088430858.373527@w9.dnx.net...
"Flower Power" <LiberatedWomen@Freedom.net> wrote in message
news:18OdnXeCHvf9WULdRVn-vg@heartoftn.net...
And there is ALSO the option of obtaining a legal and safe
abortion that will immediately get her life BACK on track as
though
the unwanted pregnancy had never occured. No harm done,
except
for
spending some time and money on the reasonable fee charged
(a fraction of giving birth). After aborting, her well-being
and full range of future opportunities will have immediately
been
RESTORED to before the unwanted pregnancy. (Insp. by GR).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Funny that you should mention such a solution.....Because no
anti
abortion
advocat is.
And, you ignor the harm done to the baby.
** And YOU ignore the harm done to the women (or teenager) who is
forced/coerced to bear an unwanted child. You ignore her future
and
her
welfare. You also ignore the horrible plight of unwanted or
disabled
children dumped on the State.
Nonsense. I do not ignor either. But the solution to her problems
is
not
murder.
Fortunately, murder is illegal, so any attempt on her part to murder
some child would be prosecuted.
Now...Why do you think it is that women who choose to abort a
pregnancy
aren't prosecuted for murder?
Because the people of this country have been so enamored with
themselves,
that they ignore the consequences of their own actions.
Electing to undergo an invasive surgical procedure is ignoring the
consequences of their own actions?
No, I think I said that undergoing this proceedure is a way of ignoring the
responsibility for their actions. What got her pregnant in the first place
is ignoring the consequences of the parents (both man and woman) actions.
And many Americans deny their responsibility in this way.
A trite saying about this is, "Your right to swing your fist ends at my
nose."
Very true.
So, people ignore the unborn child, and their right to exist (even
claiming
they have no rights),
They DON'T have any rights.
What the evil of this world has always said about their victims. And they
very often have made it law. You make my point nicely.
God Bless
Carl
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
01 Jul 2004 07:56:31 PM |
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Carl Rooker wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40E300A2.663B46EB@citlink.net...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40E17E3D.ED8DA52D@citlink.net...
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Pastor Flower Power" <LiberatedWomen@Freedoms.house> wrote in
message
news:G9qdnaENWv1bTH3dRVn-uw@heartoftn.net...
"Carl Rooker" <rookerc@dnx.net> wrote in message
news:1088430858.373527@w9.dnx.net...
"Flower Power" <LiberatedWomen@Freedom.net> wrote in message
news:18OdnXeCHvf9WULdRVn-vg@heartoftn.net...
And there is ALSO the option of obtaining a legal and safe
abortion that will immediately get her life BACK on track as
though
the unwanted pregnancy had never occured. No harm done,
except
for
spending some time and money on the reasonable fee charged
(a fraction of giving birth). After aborting, her well-being
and full range of future opportunities will have immediately
been
RESTORED to before the unwanted pregnancy. (Insp. by GR).
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Funny that you should mention such a solution.....Because no
anti
abortion
advocat is.
And, you ignor the harm done to the baby.
** And YOU ignore the harm done to the women (or teenager) who is
forced/coerced to bear an unwanted child. You ignore her future
and
her
welfare. You also ignore the horrible plight of unwanted or
disabled
children dumped on the State.
Nonsense. I do not ignor either. But the solution to her problems
is
not
murder.
Fortunately, murder is illegal, so any attempt on her part to murder
some child would be prosecuted.
Now...Why do you think it is that women who choose to abort a
pregnancy
aren't prosecuted for murder?
Because the people of this country have been so enamored with
themselves,
that they ignore the consequences of their own actions.
Electing to undergo an invasive surgical procedure is ignoring the
consequences of their own actions?
No, I think I said that undergoing this proceedure is a way of ignoring the
responsibility for their actions. What got her pregnant in the first place
is ignoring the consequences of the parents (both man and woman) actions.
And many Americans deny their responsibility in this way.
A trite saying about this is, "Your right to swing your fist ends at my
nose."
Very true.
So, people ignore the unborn child, and their right to exist (even
claiming
they have no rights),
They DON'T have any rights.
What the evil of this world has always said about their victims. And they
very often have made it law. You make my point nicely.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you. How
very convenient for you.
However, that doesn't change the fact that a fetus has no rights.
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02 Jul 2004 09:45:50 AM |
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"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40E4B2DE.C7BD6D5E@citlink.net...
Carl Rooker wrote:
snip
What the evil of this world has always said about their victims. And
they
very often have made it law. You make my point nicely.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you. How
very convenient for you.
However, that doesn't change the fact that a fetus has no rights.
Evil is as evil does. Said nothing about someone agreeing with me about it.
You simply twist what I say to make an invalid point.
It was evil when the blacks were made slaves, second place citizens without
the right to vote, and segregated by force. It was, however, legal.
It was evil when Jews were put in concentration camps, and murdered in
Europe in this century. It was, however legal.
It was evil when (by law) the Chinese government killed the democratic
protesters in Teinemon (SP?) Square.
There are countless examples in history where, by law, certain individuals
had no rights, and were persecuted and killed for having no rights.
Something being legal does not make it right. It makes the evil far more
tragic.
And, like countless people in history, many deny the rights of a group, and
stand on law to justify it.
So, you are correct. A fetus has no rights. You deny them the right to
life, for convenience. This is evil.
God Bless
Carl
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
02 Jul 2004 10:49:30 AM |
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Carl Rooker wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40E4B2DE.C7BD6D5E@citlink.net...
Carl Rooker wrote:
snip
What the evil of this world has always said about their victims. And
they
very often have made it law. You make my point nicely.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you. How
very convenient for you.
However, that doesn't change the fact that a fetus has no rights.
Evil is as evil does. Said nothing about someone agreeing with me about it.
You simply twist what I say to make an invalid point.
It was evil when the blacks were made slaves, second place citizens without
the right to vote, and segregated by force. It was, however, legal.
It was evil when Jews were put in concentration camps, and murdered in
Europe in this century. It was, however legal.
It was evil when (by law) the Chinese government killed the democratic
protesters in Teinemon (SP?) Square.
There are countless examples in history where, by law, certain individuals
had no rights, and were persecuted and killed for having no rights.
Something being legal does not make it right. It makes the evil far more
tragic.
And, like countless people in history, many deny the rights of a group, and
stand on law to justify it.
So, you are correct. A fetus has no rights. You deny them the right to
life, for convenience. This is evil.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
02 Jul 2004 11:38:30 AM |
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On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 15:49:30 GMT, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@citlink.net> posted thusly:
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40E4B2DE.C7BD6D5E@citlink.net...
Carl Rooker wrote:
snip
What the evil of this world has always said about their victims. And
they
very often have made it law. You make my point nicely.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you. How
very convenient for you.
However, that doesn't change the fact that a fetus has no rights.
Evil is as evil does. Said nothing about someone agreeing with me about it.
You simply twist what I say to make an invalid point.
It was evil when the blacks were made slaves, second place citizens without
the right to vote, and segregated by force. It was, however, legal.
It was evil when Jews were put in concentration camps, and murdered in
Europe in this century. It was, however legal.
It was evil when (by law) the Chinese government killed the democratic
protesters in Teinemon (SP?) Square.
There are countless examples in history where, by law, certain individuals
had no rights, and were persecuted and killed for having no rights.
Something being legal does not make it right. It makes the evil far more
tragic.
And, like countless people in history, many deny the rights of a group, and
stand on law to justify it.
So, you are correct. A fetus has no rights. You deny them the right to
life, for convenience. This is evil.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you.
Your response is an obvious hand waving away of the
evils presented by Carl, that were all legal, in order
to keep claiming that abortion is okay. You are not
interested in truth, nor in logic, but simply in
justifying an evil which cannot be justified by the
rules of logic and common sense, as Carl so aptly
demonstrated.
--
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"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
03 Jul 2004 10:05:06 AM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 15:49:30 GMT, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@citlink.net> posted thusly:
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40E4B2DE.C7BD6D5E@citlink.net...
Carl Rooker wrote:
snip
What the evil of this world has always said about their victims. And
they
very often have made it law. You make my point nicely.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you. How
very convenient for you.
However, that doesn't change the fact that a fetus has no rights.
Evil is as evil does. Said nothing about someone agreeing with me about it.
You simply twist what I say to make an invalid point.
It was evil when the blacks were made slaves, second place citizens without
the right to vote, and segregated by force. It was, however, legal.
It was evil when Jews were put in concentration camps, and murdered in
Europe in this century. It was, however legal.
It was evil when (by law) the Chinese government killed the democratic
protesters in Teinemon (SP?) Square.
There are countless examples in history where, by law, certain individuals
had no rights, and were persecuted and killed for having no rights.
Something being legal does not make it right. It makes the evil far more
tragic.
And, like countless people in history, many deny the rights of a group, and
stand on law to justify it.
So, you are correct. A fetus has no rights. You deny them the right to
life, for convenience. This is evil.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you.
Your response is an obvious hand waving away of the
evils presented by Carl, that were all legal, in order
to keep claiming that abortion is okay.
Actually, it was a hand waving away of your comments. The reason you
classify acts as evil is because of what you *believe* to be evil.
You are not interested in truth, nor in logic, but simply in
justifying an evil which cannot be justified by the
rules of logic and common sense, as Carl so aptly
demonstrated.
On the contrary, I AM interested in truth and logic, which is why I am
NOT interested in your definition or classifications of what is "evil".
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| User: "Bobs Boyfriend" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
03 Jul 2004 11:53:52 AM |
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In article <40E6CB55.BE5D56A3@citlink.net>,
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 15:49:30 GMT, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@citlink.net> posted thusly:
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40E4B2DE.C7BD6D5E@citlink.net...
Carl Rooker wrote:
snip
What the evil of this world has always said about their victims.
And
they
very often have made it law. You make my point nicely.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you. How
very convenient for you.
However, that doesn't change the fact that a fetus has no rights.
Evil is as evil does. Said nothing about someone agreeing with me about
it.
You simply twist what I say to make an invalid point.
It was evil when the blacks were made slaves, second place citizens
without
the right to vote, and segregated by force. It was, however, legal.
It was evil when Jews were put in concentration camps, and murdered in
Europe in this century. It was, however legal.
It was evil when (by law) the Chinese government killed the democratic
protesters in Teinemon (SP?) Square.
There are countless examples in history where, by law, certain
individuals
had no rights, and were persecuted and killed for having no rights.
Something being legal does not make it right. It makes the evil far
more
tragic.
And, like countless people in history, many deny the rights of a group,
and
stand on law to justify it.
So, you are correct. A fetus has no rights. You deny them the right to
life, for convenience. This is evil.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you.
Your response is an obvious hand waving away of the
evils presented by Carl, that were all legal, in order
to keep claiming that abortion is okay.
Actually, it was a hand waving away of your comments. The reason you
classify acts as evil is because of what you *believe* to be evil.
You are not interested in truth, nor in logic, but simply in
justifying an evil which cannot be justified by the
rules of logic and common sense, as Carl so aptly
demonstrated.
On the contrary, I AM interested in truth and logic, which is why I am
NOT interested in your definition or classifications of what is "evil".
This does presume that truth and logic are the opposite of evil though,
no?
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
03 Jul 2004 07:44:56 PM |
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Bob's Boyfriend wrote:
In article <40E6CB55.BE5D56A3@citlink.net>,
Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 15:49:30 GMT, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@citlink.net> posted thusly:
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40E4B2DE.C7BD6D5E@citlink.net...
Carl Rooker wrote:
snip
What the evil of this world has always said about their victims.
And
they
very often have made it law. You make my point nicely.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you. How
very convenient for you.
However, that doesn't change the fact that a fetus has no rights.
Evil is as evil does. Said nothing about someone agreeing with me about
it.
You simply twist what I say to make an invalid point.
It was evil when the blacks were made slaves, second place citizens
without
the right to vote, and segregated by force. It was, however, legal.
It was evil when Jews were put in concentration camps, and murdered in
Europe in this century. It was, however legal.
It was evil when (by law) the Chinese government killed the democratic
protesters in Teinemon (SP?) Square.
There are countless examples in history where, by law, certain
individuals
had no rights, and were persecuted and killed for having no rights.
Something being legal does not make it right. It makes the evil far
more
tragic.
And, like countless people in history, many deny the rights of a group,
and
stand on law to justify it.
So, you are correct. A fetus has no rights. You deny them the right to
life, for convenience. This is evil.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you.
Your response is an obvious hand waving away of the
evils presented by Carl, that were all legal, in order
to keep claiming that abortion is okay.
Actually, it was a hand waving away of your comments. The reason you
classify acts as evil is because of what you *believe* to be evil.
You are not interested in truth, nor in logic, but simply in
justifying an evil which cannot be justified by the
rules of logic and common sense, as Carl so aptly
demonstrated.
On the contrary, I AM interested in truth and logic, which is why I am
NOT interested in your definition or classifications of what is "evil".
This does presume that truth and logic are the opposite of evil though,
no?
No. I'm simply implying that truth and logic are independent of one's
definition of evil.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
03 Jul 2004 02:05:59 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 15:05:06 GMT, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@citlink.net> posted thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 15:49:30 GMT, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@citlink.net> posted thusly:
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40E4B2DE.C7BD6D5E@citlink.net...
Carl Rooker wrote:
snip
What the evil of this world has always said about their victims. And
they
very often have made it law. You make my point nicely.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you. How
very convenient for you.
However, that doesn't change the fact that a fetus has no rights.
Evil is as evil does. Said nothing about someone agreeing with me about it.
You simply twist what I say to make an invalid point.
It was evil when the blacks were made slaves, second place citizens without
the right to vote, and segregated by force. It was, however, legal.
It was evil when Jews were put in concentration camps, and murdered in
Europe in this century. It was, however legal.
It was evil when (by law) the Chinese government killed the democratic
protesters in Teinemon (SP?) Square.
There are countless examples in history where, by law, certain individuals
had no rights, and were persecuted and killed for having no rights.
Something being legal does not make it right. It makes the evil far more
tragic.
And, like countless people in history, many deny the rights of a group, and
stand on law to justify it.
So, you are correct. A fetus has no rights. You deny them the right to
life, for convenience. This is evil.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you.
Your response is an obvious hand waving away of the
evils presented by Carl, that were all legal, in order
to keep claiming that abortion is okay.
Actually, it was a hand waving away of your comments.
I didn't make the comments. Carl did and you responded
to him, so that is a lie.
The reason you classify acts as evil is because
of what you *believe* to be evil.
So in your world, none of those things are evil.
Gotcha. Now we know where you stand.
You are not interested in truth, nor in logic, but simply in
justifying an evil which cannot be justified by the
rules of logic and common sense, as Carl so aptly
demonstrated.
On the contrary, I AM interested in truth and logic, which is why I am
NOT interested in your definition or classifications of what is "evil".
The truth is, that if you didn't think them to be okay,
you wouldn't have made this statement. If you do think
them evil, then you are acting the fool, knowing that
they are evil and yet, continuing to argue against it.
<chuckle>
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
03 Jul 2004 03:29:59 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 15:05:59 -0400, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<9p0ee0drl89vc6g8ic1efi7pms27pca4im@4ax.com> wrote:
Gotcha. Now we know where you stand.
This seems to be a big deal for you. Is someone trying to hide their
position on something here?
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
03 Jul 2004 07:12:45 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 16:29:59 -0400, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> posted thusly:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 15:05:59 -0400, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<9p0ee0drl89vc6g8ic1efi7pms27pca4im@4ax.com> wrote:
Gotcha. Now we know where you stand.
This seems to be a big deal for you. Is someone trying to hide their
position on something here?
No. I'm just making sure it's clear to all and that
you have no way to retreat from it later.
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
/
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
03 Jul 2004 07:40:52 PM |
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 20:12:45 -0400, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<sriee0dcg8h6m5ebbqi96rl8p7o3rvd97g@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 16:29:59 -0400, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> posted thusly:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 15:05:59 -0400, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<9p0ee0drl89vc6g8ic1efi7pms27pca4im@4ax.com> wrote:
Gotcha. Now we know where you stand.
This seems to be a big deal for you. Is someone trying to hide their
position on something here?
No. I'm just making sure it's clear to all and that
you have no way to retreat from it later.
I would say that I have never 'retreated' from any position but
considering your comments I am sure you would disagree. You like to
restate positions and comments constantly.
I have been wrong on facts and have admitted it.
.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
04 Jul 2004 08:54:27 AM |
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On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 20:40:52 -0400, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> posted thusly:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 20:12:45 -0400, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<sriee0dcg8h6m5ebbqi96rl8p7o3rvd97g@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 16:29:59 -0400, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> posted thusly:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 15:05:59 -0400, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<9p0ee0drl89vc6g8ic1efi7pms27pca4im@4ax.com> wrote:
Gotcha. Now we know where you stand.
This seems to be a big deal for you. Is someone trying to hide their
position on something here?
No. I'm just making sure it's clear to all and that
you have no way to retreat from it later.
I would say that I have never 'retreated' from any position but
considering your comments I am sure you would disagree. You like to
restate positions and comments constantly.
I have been wrong on facts and have admitted it.
It must have been in invisible font. :)
--
± Pastor Dave Raymond ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor
to follow thee: neither have I desired the woeful day;
thou knowest: that which came out of my lips was right
before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
/
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| User: "Attila" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
04 Jul 2004 09:05:15 AM |
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On Sun, 04 Jul 2004 09:54:27 -0400, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<603ge0hqr8corb9ea1vdrfujvg9sb227uh@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 20:40:52 -0400, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> posted thusly:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 20:12:45 -0400, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<sriee0dcg8h6m5ebbqi96rl8p7o3rvd97g@4ax.com> wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 16:29:59 -0400, Attila
<prochoice@here.now> posted thusly:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 15:05:59 -0400, Pastor Dave
<nospam*-*pastordave38@yahoo.com> in alt.abortion with message-id
<9p0ee0drl89vc6g8ic1efi7pms27pca4im@4ax.com> wrote:
Gotcha. Now we know where you stand.
This seems to be a big deal for you. Is someone trying to hide their
position on something here?
No. I'm just making sure it's clear to all and that
you have no way to retreat from it later.
I would say that I have never 'retreated' from any position but
considering your comments I am sure you would disagree. You like to
restate positions and comments constantly.
I have been wrong on facts and have admitted it.
It must have been in invisible font. :)
You don't read all my posts. I was wrong yesterday on the Fahrenheit
title by Bradbury, was corrected, and admitted my error.
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| User: "Frank Dwyer" |
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| Title: Re: Abortion is the murder of an unborn baby. |
03 Jul 2004 07:47:10 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
On Sat, 03 Jul 2004 15:05:06 GMT, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@citlink.net> posted thusly:
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 15:49:30 GMT, Frank Dwyer
<fdwyer@citlink.net> posted thusly:
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40E4B2DE.C7BD6D5E@citlink.net...
Carl Rooker wrote:
snip
What the evil of this world has always said about their victims. And
they
very often have made it law. You make my point nicely.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you. How
very convenient for you.
However, that doesn't change the fact that a fetus has no rights.
Evil is as evil does. Said nothing about someone agreeing with me about it.
You simply twist what I say to make an invalid point.
It was evil when the blacks were made slaves, second place citizens without
the right to vote, and segregated by force. It was, however, legal.
It was evil when Jews were put in concentration camps, and murdered in
Europe in this century. It was, however legal.
It was evil when (by law) the Chinese government killed the democratic
protesters in Teinemon (SP?) Square.
There are countless examples in history where, by law, certain individuals
had no rights, and were persecuted and killed for having no rights.
Something being legal does not make it right. It makes the evil far more
tragic.
And, like countless people in history, many deny the rights of a group, and
stand on law to justify it.
So, you are correct. A fetus has no rights. You deny them the right to
life, for convenience. This is evil.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you.
Your response is an obvious hand waving away of the
evils presented by Carl, that were all legal, in order
to keep claiming that abortion is okay.
Actually, it was a hand waving away of your comments.
I didn't make the comments. Carl did and you responded
to him, so that is a lie.
The reason you classify acts as evil is because
of what you *believe* to be evil.
So in your world, none of those things are evil.
Nope. Didn't say that either. Will you be addressing anything I actually
wrote?
Gotcha. Now we know where you stand.
No, you don't.
You are not interested in truth, nor in logic, but simply in
justifying an evil which cannot be justified by the
rules of logic and common sense, as Carl so aptly
demonstrated.
On the contrary, I AM interested in truth and logic, which is why I am
NOT interested in your definition or classifications of what is "evil".
The truth is, that if you didn't think them to be okay,
you wouldn't have made this statement. If you do think
them evil, then you are acting the fool, knowing that
they are evil and yet, continuing to argue against it.
<chuckle>
It doesn't matter what I think is "evil" or not, the fact is that
abortion is not murder.
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02 Jul 2004 12:33:23 PM |
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On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 15:49:30 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@citlink.net>
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Carl Rooker wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40E4B2DE.C7BD6D5E@citlink.net...
Carl Rooker wrote:
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What the evil of this world has always said about their victims. And
they
very often have made it law. You make my point nicely.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you. How
very convenient for you.
However, that doesn't change the fact that a fetus has no rights.
Evil is as evil does. Said nothing about someone agreeing with me about it.
You simply twist what I say to make an invalid point.
It was evil when the blacks were made slaves, second place citizens without
the right to vote, and segregated by force. It was, however, legal.
It was evil when Jews were put in concentration camps, and murdered in
Europe in this century. It was, however legal.
It was evil when (by law) the Chinese government killed the democratic
protesters in Teinemon (SP?) Square.
There are countless examples in history where, by law, certain individuals
had no rights, and were persecuted and killed for having no rights.
Something being legal does not make it right. It makes the evil far more
tragic.
And, like countless people in history, many deny the rights of a group, and
stand on law to justify it.
So, you are correct. A fetus has no rights. You deny them the right to
life, for convenience. This is evil.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you.
No, he classified as evil those who use legal pretext to murder.
It's a big difference.
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03 Jul 2004 10:06:36 AM |
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Evil Right-Wing Fundy White Male Oppressor wrote:
On Fri, 02 Jul 2004 15:49:30 GMT, Frank Dwyer <fdwyer@citlink.net>
wrote:
Carl Rooker wrote:
"Frank Dwyer" <fdwyer@citlink.net> wrote in message
news:40E4B2DE.C7BD6D5E@citlink.net...
Carl Rooker wrote:
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What the evil of this world has always said about their victims. And
they
very often have made it law. You make my point nicely.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you. How
very convenient for you.
However, that doesn't change the fact that a fetus has no rights.
Evil is as evil does. Said nothing about someone agreeing with me about it.
You simply twist what I say to make an invalid point.
It was evil when the blacks were made slaves, second place citizens without
the right to vote, and segregated by force. It was, however, legal.
It was evil when Jews were put in concentration camps, and murdered in
Europe in this century. It was, however legal.
It was evil when (by law) the Chinese government killed the democratic
protesters in Teinemon (SP?) Square.
There are countless examples in history where, by law, certain individuals
had no rights, and were persecuted and killed for having no rights.
Something being legal does not make it right. It makes the evil far more
tragic.
And, like countless people in history, many deny the rights of a group, and
stand on law to justify it.
So, you are correct. A fetus has no rights. You deny them the right to
life, for convenience. This is evil.
So you classify as "evil" those who don't believe the same as you.
No, he classified as evil those who use legal pretext to murder.
It's a big difference.
Evil is solely based on one's own beliefs. Murder is solely based on
law.
So you're right, there is a big difference. It just isn't the difference
you wish there to be.
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