Religions > Bible > About " free will " you say ? God does not want ' robots ' you say ? Your ' free will ' is in " the snare of the Devil "... 2 Tim. 2:26
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"old man joe" |
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02 Dec 2007 05:51:56 AM |
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About " free will " you say ? God does not want ' robots ' you say ? Your ' free will ' is in " the snare of the Devil "... 2 Tim. 2:26 |
" And the Lord's bond-servant must not be quarrelsome, but be kind
to all, able to teach, patient when wronged,
with gentleness correcting those who are in opposition, if perhaps
God may grant them repentance leading to the knowledge of the truth,
and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the
devil, having been held captive by him to do his will. " 2 Ti 2:24-26
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one of the most incongruous doctrines ever to be taught from the
pulpit these days ( as well as Newsgroups ) is summed up in the phrase
" God does not want robots so He gave us ' free will ' to choose
Christ or not ".
coming to Holy Scripture with this or any preconceived conclusion
is already bad practice and is the seed of error.
such is the case with the ' robot ' doctrine of free will.
from the passage of 2 Tim. 2:25 it is plainly stated that the
opposition to the Word of His grace ( Acts 14:3 ) that they are not in
their senses as they reject the grace of God being that these are in
" the snare of the devil "...
this snare of the devil has " them held captive by him to do his
will " v.26
rejecting the Word of His grace is the outcome of doing the will of
Satan... for that is what his captives do according to 2 Tim. 2:24-26
the devil's captivity leads him to " fulfill the lusts of his
flesh"... " to fulfill the desires of the flesh and of the mind "...
because he lives " according to the prince of the power of the air
"... he is therefore " dead in trespasses and sins. " Eph. 2:1-3
in the Light of Scripture, the notion that God doesn't want 'robots'
stems from those inside the sheepfold of their good shepherd as they
spew their most precious doctrine of free will... all the while
fulfilling the lusts of their mind to overthrow the Word of His grace.
the devil has them in his snare doing his will as in 2 Tim. 2:24-26
and this most certainly is being a robot.
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these will worshippers go on to say that God can not judge anyone
fairly unless they have free will.
yet, the Bible teaches plainly that man is conceived in sin
( Ps. 51:5 ) that he is brought forth in iniquity, that from the womb
he is speaking lies. Ps. 58:3. man is said to be " judged already "
( Joh. 3:18 ) so the arguement of the Arminian falls to the floor
concerning God judging people fairly. Ro. 9:11 says this all so well.
he is said by Jesus that he is of the same nature as his father the
devil ( Joh. 8:44 ) wanting to do his desires. this is being the
devil's robot.
as a dead man doesn't initiate life in his dead body neither does
the dead human spirit initiate life in itself and come running to
Jesus... note the case of Lazarus. the human spirit is dead in
trespasses and sins. Eph. 2:1
since man is the object of the wrath of God from conception
( Ps. 51:5 ) since he is in the snare of the devil at his will,
( 2 Tim. 2:26 ) the will worshippers only out is to agree with
Scripture... but he won't.
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this begs the question... ' with such plainly worded Scripture how
is it that will worshippers reject this ? '
quite simply... these are in " the snare of the devil, having been
held captive by him to do his will. " 2 Ti 2:24-26
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a few other facts about free will... God warned Adam beforehand not
to take from the Tree of Knowledge and Adam, of his free will, quickly
opted for obedience to Satan. God did not make Adam His ' robot '...
Adam chose to violate God's only revealed command... just as God
haters choose to be disobedient towards God. God haters aren't forced
by God to curse Him, they do it of their own ' free will. '
Noah preached to the world that the judgement of God against them
was to come ( 2 Pet. 2:5 ) and of their own free will, these ancient
peoples chose not to turn from their disobedience and drowned because
of themselves.
as Jesus says " you are unwilling to come to Me, that you may have
life. " Joh. 5:40. man has been blaming God all along for man's own
obstinate will.. " And this is the judgment, that the light is come
into the world, and men loved the darkness rather than the light; for
their deeds were evil. " Joh. 5:19
only Adam and Eve and the as yet unfallen angels ever had free will.
upon the fall of Adam and that of the unfallen angels, fallen
unregenerate man serves his father the devil... unless God, by His
free will, turns man from his wicked ways.
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| Title: Re: About " free will " you say ? God does not want ' robots ' you say ? Your ' free will ' is in " the snare of the Devil "... 2 Tim. 2:26 |
05 Dec 2007 11:10:29 AM |
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On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:51:56 -0500, old man joe <not@home.com> wrote:
Can't have it both ways. If you "have free will" you are worshiping
God with it, or you don't have it and are ensnared by the Devil?
Interesting logic(?) there.
Here's a clue. If my God will punish me for not obeying him - my will
is not really free because the worship/obedience is coerced.
Now a really submissive, passive, subservient personality is going to
be religious because they are more comfortable thinking that they are
"safe." While a more dynamic, aware person will not buy into the
idea unless it makes sense. Religion never makes sense - the idea is
FAITH . . . or blind belief in an idea that makes no sense and can't
be proved.
I think personality figures into it. Some folks are so averse to risk
that they are easy to control. Cross at the corner, wait for the walk
signal, overpay taxes so they won't be in trouble, worry all the time
that they did something wrong and the sky will fall in on them.
Come to think of it, that's just the sort of thing the church promotes
and feeds off of. They even refer to their marks as sheep - and the
sheep go along with it like it is some kind of badge of honor.
The sorry state of the world today is because so many people are
willing to accept the status quo, than get off their asses and make
some changes. Go along to get along; don't rock the boat; be a team
player; etc..
old man bob
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| User: "Andrew W" |
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| Title: Re: About " free will " you say ? God does not want ' robots ' you say ? Your ' free will ' is in " the snare of the Devil "... 2 Tim. 2:26 |
05 Dec 2007 02:30:48 PM |
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"default" <default@defaulter.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:51:56 -0500, old man joe <not@home.com> wrote:
Can't have it both ways. If you "have free will" you are worshiping
God with it, or you don't have it and are ensnared by the Devil?
Interesting logic(?) there.
Here's a clue. If my God will punish me for not obeying him - my will
is not really free because the worship/obedience is coerced.
Now a really submissive, passive, subservient personality is going to
be religious because they are more comfortable thinking that they are
"safe." While a more dynamic, aware person will not buy into the
idea unless it makes sense. Religion never makes sense - the idea is
FAITH . . . or blind belief in an idea that makes no sense and can't
be proved.
I think personality figures into it. Some folks are so averse to risk
that they are easy to control. Cross at the corner, wait for the walk
signal, overpay taxes so they won't be in trouble, worry all the time
that they did something wrong and the sky will fall in on them.
Come to think of it, that's just the sort of thing the church promotes
and feeds off of. They even refer to their marks as sheep - and the
sheep go along with it like it is some kind of badge of honor.
The sorry state of the world today is because so many people are
willing to accept the status quo, than get off their asses and make
some changes. Go along to get along; don't rock the boat; be a team
player; etc..
old man bob
Yes. Only passive and non-curious people are favoured by the Christian God.
Looks like the Christian God can't handle intelligent humans. Or he's just a
tyrant.
The majority of the human race who are spirited and forward thinking will be
trashed and thrown in the fire. Lol.
Makes one wonder why he even bothered giving us a brain in the first place.
Silly.
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Andrew W.
"You must unlearn what you have learned" ~ Yoda
Channelled lessons about ET's, ascended masters like Jesus Christ, spirit
guides, earth changes.
http://www.spiritnexus.com/audio/channeling/index.htm
The true Creator wants us to be happy and abundant.
http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/The_Science_of_Getting_Rich
Audio version. http://website.lineone.net/~cornerstone/richaudio.htm
Think you know what ego is? Think again. The Bible is full of it!
http://www.acim.org/
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: About " free will " you say ? God does not want ' robots ' you say ? Your ' free will ' is in " the snare of the Devil "... 2 Tim. 2:26 |
06 Dec 2007 10:11:19 AM |
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in message
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"default" <default@defaulter.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 02 Dec 2007 06:51:56 -0500, old man joe <not@home.com> wrote:
Can't have it both ways. If you "have free will" you are worshiping
God with it, or you don't have it and are ensnared by the Devil?
Interesting logic(?) there.
Here's a clue. If my God will punish me for not obeying him - my will
is not really free because the worship/obedience is coerced.
Now a really submissive, passive, subservient personality is going to
be religious because they are more comfortable thinking that they are
"safe." While a more dynamic, aware person will not buy into the
idea unless it makes sense. Religion never makes sense - the idea is
FAITH . . . or blind belief in an idea that makes no sense and can't
be proved.
I think personality figures into it. Some folks are so averse to risk
that they are easy to control. Cross at the corner, wait for the walk
signal, overpay taxes so they won't be in trouble, worry all the time
that they did something wrong and the sky will fall in on them.
Come to think of it, that's just the sort of thing the church promotes
and feeds off of. They even refer to their marks as sheep - and the
sheep go along with it like it is some kind of badge of honor.
The sorry state of the world today is because so many people are
willing to accept the status quo, than get off their asses and make
some changes. Go along to get along; don't rock the boat; be a team
player; etc..
old man bob
Yes. Only passive and non-curious people are favoured by the Christian
God.
Looks like the Christian God can't handle intelligent humans. Or he's just
a tyrant.
The majority of the human race who are spirited and forward thinking will
be trashed and thrown in the fire. Lol.
Makes one wonder why he even bothered giving us a brain in the first
place.
Silly.
--
Andrew W.
Sound logic!
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