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"Armin Held" |
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04 Jul 2007 03:53:25 AM |
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Adam's Fall did not transform the Animal Kingdom! |
Even before Adam, there was sin in the world - says the Bible.
But unconscious sin is not imputed:
For until the law sin was in the world.
But sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Romans 5:13
For example, we know that Eva sinned before Adam. But this was not a
concious sin because she had been deceived by the serpent. Unlike her, Adam
was not deceived, but knowingly violated God's commandment, 1.Timothy 2:14.
This explains, why "the sin" did not enter the world by Eve but by Adam: We
are dealing with conscious, deliberate violation of God's law!
And the main consequence of this sin was not physical but spiritual death:
God had warned Adam that he would have to die even "on the day" of his
disobedience, Genesis 2:17. But physically Adam lived on, so we are
obviously dealing with spiritual death, as also the context of Romans 5-7
makes quite clear. Otherwise, how could Paul say:
For I was alive without the law once: but when the Commandment came, sin
revived, and I died. Romans 7:9-10
And in addition, in Genesis 3 just as in Romans 5-7, we are dealing with the
human sphere and not with the animal kingdom:
Through one man the sin entered into the world ...
and so death passed unto all men ...
Romans 5:12
Here, Blitz-Creationisms arbitrarily interprets dramatic changes into the
text, which does not say a word about them: death of animals is not even
mentioned and all the more not the transformation of some part of the
animals (and why only a part?!) into carnivores, as Blitz-Creationism
claims. In fact, the text doesn't mention such a metamorphosis with a single
word.
To the contrary, if you take it superficially "literally", then the only
living being
"transformed" was the "serpent" - not into a carnivore,
but into a "dust-eater"!
Thus, today's serpents would have to revise their diet ...
Scource:
http://www.urzeitundendzeit.de/creation_and_evolution.htm#animal_kingdom
Armin
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| User: "Father Haskell" |
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| Title: Re: Adam's Fall did not transform the Animal Kingdom! |
08 Jul 2007 06:47:53 PM |
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On Jul 8, 5:18 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:18:21 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
He made allowances of 2 and 7 animals on the boat. What's your problem? How
could the flood take out all the evil people without taking out the animals.
Gosh, you're not too bright today, libby.
===>He says "I am sory I made them", Duckie!
Genesis 6:7
The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of
the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the
sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."
Go back to school, silly kid! -- L.
Did the lion eat the lamb?
===>Of course.
That is how carnivores evolved: to eat herbivores. -- L.
So the lion was dangerous to the lamb instead of them laying together. God was
apparently sorry he made them also, according to your words.
Lay a bunny rabbit with a crocodile and see how long that lasts.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Adam's Fall did not transform the Animal Kingdom! |
08 Jul 2007 07:48:25 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 16:47:53 -0700, Father Haskell <fatherhaskell@yahoo.com>
wrote:
On Jul 8, 5:18 pm, duke <duckgumb...@cox.net> wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:18:21 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertar...@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
He made allowances of 2 and 7 animals on the boat. What's your problem? How
could the flood take out all the evil people without taking out the animals.
Gosh, you're not too bright today, libby.
===>He says "I am sory I made them", Duckie!
Genesis 6:7
The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of
the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the
sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."
Go back to school, silly kid! -- L.
Did the lion eat the lamb?
===>Of course.
That is how carnivores evolved: to eat herbivores. -- L.
So the lion was dangerous to the lamb instead of them laying together. God was
apparently sorry he made them also, according to your words.
Lay a bunny rabbit with a crocodile and see how long that lasts.
Ala including the animals in the flood.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Adam's Fall did not transform the Animal Kingdom! |
08 Jul 2007 05:45:33 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:18:21 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
He made allowances of 2 and 7 animals on the boat. What's your problem? How
could the flood take out all the evil people without taking out the animals.
Gosh, you're not too bright today, libby.
===>He says "I am sory I made them", Duckie!
Genesis 6:7
The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of
the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the
sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."
Go back to school, silly kid! -- L.
Did the lion eat the lamb?
===>Of course.
That is how carnivores evolved: to eat herbivores. -- L.
So the lion was dangerous to the lamb instead of them laying together.
===>Lions are likely to "lay" with lions.
But some sheepherders have been known to lay lambs.
God was
apparently sorry he made them also, according to your words.
===>YHWH finally realized how he screwed up and
had to confess he was sorry. -- L.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Adam's Fall did not transform the Animal Kingdom! |
08 Jul 2007 07:47:52 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:45:33 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Did the lion eat the lamb?
===>Of course.
That is how carnivores evolved: to eat herbivores. -- L.
So the lion was dangerous to the lamb instead of them laying together.
===>Lions are likely to "lay" with lions.
But some sheepherders have been known to lay lambs.
And now you know why (I guess) God included the animals.
God was
apparently sorry he made them also, according to your words.
===>YHWH finally realized how he screwed up and
had to confess he was sorry. -- L.
And took steps to offer correction to the problem. If we play ball.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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