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"Armin Held" |
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04 Jul 2007 03:53:25 AM |
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Adam's Fall did not transform the Animal Kingdom! |
Even before Adam, there was sin in the world - says the Bible.
But unconscious sin is not imputed:
For until the law sin was in the world.
But sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Romans 5:13
For example, we know that Eva sinned before Adam. But this was not a
concious sin because she had been deceived by the serpent. Unlike her, Adam
was not deceived, but knowingly violated God's commandment, 1.Timothy 2:14.
This explains, why "the sin" did not enter the world by Eve but by Adam: We
are dealing with conscious, deliberate violation of God's law!
And the main consequence of this sin was not physical but spiritual death:
God had warned Adam that he would have to die even "on the day" of his
disobedience, Genesis 2:17. But physically Adam lived on, so we are
obviously dealing with spiritual death, as also the context of Romans 5-7
makes quite clear. Otherwise, how could Paul say:
For I was alive without the law once: but when the Commandment came, sin
revived, and I died. Romans 7:9-10
And in addition, in Genesis 3 just as in Romans 5-7, we are dealing with the
human sphere and not with the animal kingdom:
Through one man the sin entered into the world ...
and so death passed unto all men ...
Romans 5:12
Here, Blitz-Creationisms arbitrarily interprets dramatic changes into the
text, which does not say a word about them: death of animals is not even
mentioned and all the more not the transformation of some part of the
animals (and why only a part?!) into carnivores, as Blitz-Creationism
claims. In fact, the text doesn't mention such a metamorphosis with a single
word.
To the contrary, if you take it superficially "literally", then the only
living being
"transformed" was the "serpent" - not into a carnivore,
but into a "dust-eater"!
Thus, today's serpents would have to revise their diet ...
Scource:
http://www.urzeitundendzeit.de/creation_and_evolution.htm#animal_kingdom
Armin
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04 Jul 2007 09:05:05 AM |
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On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 10:53:25 +0200, "Armin Held" <armin-held@t-online.de> wrote:
Even before Adam, there was sin in the world - says the Bible.
But unconscious sin is not imputed:
For until the law sin was in the world.
But sin is not imputed when there is no law.
Romans 5:13
For example, we know that Eva sinned before Adam. But this was not a
concious sin because she had been deceived by the serpent.
ALL sin is deception by the serpent. You and I face the same serpent by the
second. Either say no to the serpent or get sucked in to sin.
Hebrews 10:26-27 (New International Version)
26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of
the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of
judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Adam's Fall did not transform the Animal Kingdom! |
05 Jul 2007 12:35:16 PM |
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This is totally contradicting Genesis 6, where YHWH
declares that he is sorry he made them ALL and will drown
ALL creatures, not just the humans. -- L.
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05 Jul 2007 04:45:46 PM |
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On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:35:16 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
This is totally contradicting Genesis 6, where YHWH
declares that he is sorry he made them ALL and will drown
ALL creatures, not just the humans. -- L.
Clearly expressed because he saw how wicked everybody was and how evil their
thoughts were at all times.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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05 Jul 2007 09:20:39 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 10:35:16 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
This is totally contradicting Genesis 6, where YHWH
declares that he is sorry he made them ALL and will drown
ALL creatures, not just the humans. -- L.
Clearly expressed because he saw how wicked everybody was and how evil their
thoughts were at all times.
===>RIDICULOUS!
All those animals were "wicked" and their "thoughts were evil"?
Gen. 6:7,17
"The LORD (i.e. YHWH)said,
"I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from
man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am
sorry that I have made them."
"Behold, I, even I am bringing the flood of water upon the earth, to
destroy all flesh in which is the breath of life, from under heaven;
everything that is on the earth shall perish."
In fact that creation fable depicts the evil, thoughtless,
vindictive and jealous, as well as incompetent lying deity,
YHWH ELOHIM, of the centralist, totalitarian Yahwist cult of
the Jews.
It is depicted very well in the book of Jeremiah, where people
complain that the result of them being forced to abandon their
polytheistic tradition and obey the rules of the centralist,
totalitarian Yahwist priests (Jeremiah, etc.) they
"have lacked everything and have met our end
by the sword and by famine." (Jer. 44:18) -- L.
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| User: "Armin Held" |
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06 Jul 2007 04:04:46 AM |
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It is depicted very well in the book of Jeremiah, where people
complain that the result of them being forced to abandon their
polytheistic tradition and obey the rules of the centralist,
totalitarian Yahwist priests (Jeremiah, etc.) they
"have lacked everything and have met our end
by the sword and by famine." (Jer. 44:18) -- L.
But YOU will have one more opportunity
to fight against that God and his Messiah!
There will be an open war against the lamb ...
But if you join sides with the Antichrist
make yourself also ready for the lake of fire!
Read Revelation 17:14ff
Armin
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06 Jul 2007 08:59:23 AM |
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"Armin Held" <armin-held@t-online.de> wrote in message
news:f6l0oc$s92$02$1@news.t-online.com...
It is depicted very well in the book of Jeremiah, where people
complain that the result of them being forced to abandon their
polytheistic tradition and obey the rules of the centralist,
totalitarian Yahwist priests (Jeremiah, etc.) they
"have lacked everything and have met our end
by the sword and by famine." (Jer. 44:18) -- L.
But YOU will have one more opportunity
to fight against that God and his Messiah!
There will be an open war against the lamb ...
But if you join sides with the Antichrist
make yourself also ready for the lake of fire!
Read Revelation 17:14ff
Armin
Fundie *****.
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| User: "Armin Held" |
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06 Jul 2007 10:59:56 AM |
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"L.T. David" wrote in message
Fundie *****.
Your link does not work ... :-)
www.urzeitundendzeit.de
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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06 Jul 2007 12:33:47 PM |
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Armin Held wrote:
It is depicted very well in the book of Jeremiah, where people
complain that the result of them being forced to abandon their
polytheistic tradition and obey the rules of the centralist,
totalitarian Yahwist priests (Jeremiah, etc.) they
"have lacked everything and have met our end
by the sword and by famine." (Jer. 44:18) -- L.
But YOU will have one more opportunity
to fight against that God and his Messiah!
There will be an open war against the lamb ...
===>GOODIE!
We'll all have LAMBCHOPS for SUPPER!
But you of the Christos Cult won't get any.
Well... maybe some crumbs if you beg nicely. ;-)
But if you join sides with the Antichrist
make yourself also ready for the lake of fire!
Read Revelation 17:14ff
Armin
===>The "APOCALYPSE" is just a Christianized version of a
Daniel-like Jewish Zealot propaganda piece,
the whole thing based on the Zoroastrian Pagan religion! -- L.
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| User: "duke" |
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06 Jul 2007 01:40:01 PM |
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On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:20:39 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Genesis 6:5 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society
5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that
every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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06 Jul 2007 05:49:05 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:20:39 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Genesis 6:5 (New International Version)
New International Version (NIV)
Copyright © 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society
5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that
every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
===>That is NOT RELEVANT to the subject heading.
It concerns the ANIMALS, Duckie, and the verses I cited
shows the incompetent deity YHWH was killing off the
ANIMALS. WHY???
Because he is an evil, incompetent bungler, as
the Eden/Flood/Babel trilogy shows. -- L.
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06 Jul 2007 05:37:06 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:49:05 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
===>That is NOT RELEVANT to the subject heading.
It concerns the ANIMALS, Duckie, and the verses I cited
shows the incompetent deity YHWH was killing off the
ANIMALS. WHY???
They couldn't swim????
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06 Jul 2007 09:23:20 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:49:05 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
===>That is NOT RELEVANT to the subject heading.
It concerns the ANIMALS, Duckie, and the verses I cited
shows the incompetent deity YHWH was killing off the
ANIMALS. WHY???
They couldn't swim????
===>Because he realized he goofed, perhaps will be even punished by the
Council of the ELOHIM? He says he is "sorry"!
Gen. 6:7 says:
The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of
the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the
sky; for I am sorry that I have made them." -- L.
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07 Jul 2007 09:16:34 AM |
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:23:20 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
===>Because he realized he goofed, perhaps will be even punished by the
Council of the ELOHIM? He says he is "sorry"!
He IS the "Council of the Elohim."
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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07 Jul 2007 09:20:18 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:23:20 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
===>Because he realized he goofed, perhaps will be even punished by the
Council of the ELOHIM? He says he is "sorry"!
He IS the "Council of the Elohim."
===>You are NUTS! -- L.
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| User: "duke" |
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08 Jul 2007 04:20:17 PM |
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On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:20:18 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
===>Because he realized he goofed, perhaps will be even punished by the
Council of the ELOHIM? He says he is "sorry"!
He IS the "Council of the Elohim."
===>You are NUTS! -- L.
You need to define the Council of the Elohim first to make that statement. Do
you have something better than the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit for an
answer?
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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08 Jul 2007 05:53:16 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:20:18 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
===>Because he realized he goofed, perhaps will be even punished by the
Council of the ELOHIM? He says he is "sorry"!
He IS the "Council of the Elohim."
===>You are NUTS! -- L.
You need to define the Council of the Elohim first to make that statement. Do
you have something better than the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit for an
answer?
===>Of course.
One being does not constitute a "council".
In Genesis Ch. 1
one human MALE AND one human FEMALE are
made "in the image and likeness" of the ELOHIM!
One of them had to be a female!
"Father, Son and Holy Spirit" are just Christian inventions. -- L.
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08 Jul 2007 07:49:55 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:53:16 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
===>You are NUTS! -- L.
You need to define the Council of the Elohim first to make that statement. Do
you have something better than the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit for an
answer?
===>Of course.
One being does not constitute a "council".
Try again - that's not defining the "council".
In Genesis Ch. 1
one human MALE AND one human FEMALE are
made "in the image and likeness" of the ELOHIM!
One of them had to be a female!
"Father, Son and Holy Spirit" are just Christian inventions. -- L.
Actually, it comes from God.
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06 Jul 2007 09:21:36 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:49:05 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
===>That is NOT RELEVANT to the subject heading.
It concerns the ANIMALS, Duckie, and the verses I cited
shows the incompetent deity YHWH was killing off the
ANIMALS. WHY???
They couldn't swim????
===>He's sorry!
he klnows he messed it all up.
The Council of the ELOHIM will question him about it,
so he says he is SORRY!
"I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of the land, from
man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the sky; for I am
sorry that I have made them."
OK, he will erase his mistakes, but he secretly saves a few humans and
animals so he would not feel he was doing it all for nothibng.
Anyway, he enjoys the smell of burning flesh and figures Noah would send
some barbique scxents up to him. -- L.
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07 Jul 2007 09:15:37 AM |
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:21:36 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
===>That is NOT RELEVANT to the subject heading.
It concerns the ANIMALS, Duckie, and the verses I cited
shows the incompetent deity YHWH was killing off the
ANIMALS. WHY???
They couldn't swim????
===>He's sorry!
he klnows he messed it all up.
The Council of the ELOHIM will question him about it,
so he says he is SORRY!
The lion eats the lamb.
duke, American-American
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07 Jul 2007 09:19:28 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:21:36 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
===>That is NOT RELEVANT to the subject heading.
It concerns the ANIMALS, Duckie, and the verses I cited
shows the incompetent deity YHWH was killing off the
ANIMALS. WHY???
They couldn't swim????
===>He's sorry!
he klnows he messed it all up.
The Council of the ELOHIM will question him about it,
so he says he is SORRY!
The lion eats the lamb.
===>Buon apetito to the lion.
That;s what lambs are good for. -- L.
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08 Jul 2007 04:18:45 PM |
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On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:19:28 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
The lion eats the lamb.
===>Buon apetito to the lion.
That;s what lambs are good for. -- L.
They should lay together.
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08 Jul 2007 05:47:49 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:19:28 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
The lion eats the lamb.
===>Buon apetito to the lion.
That;s what lambs are good for. -- L.
They should lay together.
===>They do "lay" together.
It takes a ram and a ewe, though. -- L.
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08 Jul 2007 07:48:56 PM |
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On Sun, 08 Jul 2007 15:47:49 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
duke wrote:
On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:19:28 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
The lion eats the lamb.
===>Buon apetito to the lion.
That;s what lambs are good for. -- L.
They should lay together.
===>They do "lay" together.
It takes a ram and a ewe, though. -- L.
No human heaven for them.
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06 Jul 2007 01:26:34 PM |
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On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:20:39 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Why didn't you just read Gen 6:5, dummy.
Genesis 6:5 (New International Version)
5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that
every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
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06 Jul 2007 05:45:39 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Thu, 05 Jul 2007 19:20:39 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Why didn't you just read Gen 6:5, dummy.
Genesis 6:5 (New International Version)
5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that
every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
===>You're such a NITWIT!
Of course I did that, too, Duckie.
But the RELEVANT verse was concerning YHWH being angry
AT THE ANIMALS!
Are you so dense as to being unable to get that?
HINT: READ THE "Subject" heading! -- L.
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06 Jul 2007 05:36:24 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:45:39 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Why didn't you just read Gen 6:5, dummy.
Genesis 6:5 (New International Version)
5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that
every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
===>You're such a NITWIT!
Of course I did that, too, Duckie.
No indication that you did so.
But the RELEVANT verse was concerning YHWH being angry
AT THE ANIMALS!
Are you so dense as to being unable to get that?
He made allowances of 2 and 7 animals on the boat. What's your problem? How
could the flood take out all the evil people without taking out the animals.
Gosh, you're not too bright today, libby.
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06 Jul 2007 09:13:38 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 15:45:39 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
Why didn't you just read Gen 6:5, dummy.
Genesis 6:5 (New International Version)
5 The LORD saw how great man's wickedness on the earth had become, and that
every inclination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil all the time.
===>You're such a NITWIT!
Of course I did that, too, Duckie.
No indication that you did so.
But the RELEVANT verse was concerning YHWH being angry
AT THE ANIMALS!
Are you so dense as to being unable to get that?
He made allowances of 2 and 7 animals on the boat. What's your problem? How
could the flood take out all the evil people without taking out the animals.
Gosh, you're not too bright today, libby.
===>He says "I am sorery I made them", Duckie!
Genesis 6:7
The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of
the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the
sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."
Go back to school, silly kid! -- L.
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07 Jul 2007 09:14:58 AM |
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On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:13:38 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
He made allowances of 2 and 7 animals on the boat. What's your problem? How
could the flood take out all the evil people without taking out the animals.
Gosh, you're not too bright today, libby.
===>He says "I am sorery I made them", Duckie!
Genesis 6:7
The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of
the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the
sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."
Go back to school, silly kid! -- L.
Did the lion eat the lamb?
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07 Jul 2007 09:18:21 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Fri, 06 Jul 2007 19:13:38 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
He made allowances of 2 and 7 animals on the boat. What's your problem? How
could the flood take out all the evil people without taking out the animals.
Gosh, you're not too bright today, libby.
===>He says "I am sory I made them", Duckie!
Genesis 6:7
The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of
the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the
sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."
Go back to school, silly kid! -- L.
Did the lion eat the lamb?
===>Of course.
That is how carnivores evolved: to eat herbivores. -- L.
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| Title: Re: Adam's Fall did not transform the Animal Kingdom! |
08 Jul 2007 04:18:15 PM |
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On Sat, 07 Jul 2007 19:18:21 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:
He made allowances of 2 and 7 animals on the boat. What's your problem? How
could the flood take out all the evil people without taking out the animals.
Gosh, you're not too bright today, libby.
===>He says "I am sory I made them", Duckie!
Genesis 6:7
The LORD said, "I will blot out man whom I have created from the face of
the land, from man to animals to creeping things and to birds of the
sky; for I am sorry that I have made them."
Go back to school, silly kid! -- L.
Did the lion eat the lamb?
===>Of course.
That is how carnivores evolved: to eat herbivores. -- L.
So the lion was dangerous to the lamb instead of them laying together. God was
apparently sorry he made them also, according to your words.
duke, American-American
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