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Religions > Bible |
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"apohran" |
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18 Aug 2007 06:44:51 AM |
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Age old debate of losing salvation |
No, I'm not trying to stir up any trouble...
but I m going through a bible study where the topic of losing your
salvation has come up...
Does anyone have passages for/against the argument?
Many thanks,
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apohran
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| User: "apohran" |
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| Title: Re: Age old debate of losing salvation |
18 Aug 2007 06:57:13 AM |
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It occurred to me that an example may be in order..
Hebrews 6.4-6
<<It is impossible for those who have once been enlightened,
who have tasted the heavenly gift, who have shared in the Holy Spirit, who
have tasted the goodness of the word of God and the powers of the coming
age, if they fall away, to be brought back to repentance, because to
their loss they are crucifying the Son of God all over again and
subjecting him to public disgrace.>>
Looking at this passage, it seems unbelievably clear that those who have
been enlightened AND tasted in the heavenly gift (which I interpret to
mean Holy Spirit) to be brought back if they fall away.
This seems undeniable simple: if you become a believer, taste in God's
glory, somehow reject it/fall away, to be brought back to a state of
repentance.
This begs the question, does the author speak about losing your salvation,
or just not being brought back to a state where you repent to God?
Many thanks,
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apohran
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Age old debate of losing salvation |
17 Aug 2007 04:58:41 PM |
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On 18 Aug 2007 13:44:51 +0200, apohran <none@email.com>
wrote:
No, I'm not trying to stir up any trouble...
but I m going through a bible study where the topic of losing your
salvation has come up...
Does anyone have passages for/against the argument?
Many thanks,
Yes, both sides do, because no one cares about context.
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A liberal is someone who will give away everything
except his/her own possessions.
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| User: "apohran" |
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| Title: Re: Age old debate of losing salvation |
19 Aug 2007 03:02:36 PM |
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On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:58:41 -0400, Pastor Dave wrote:
On 18 Aug 2007 13:44:51 +0200, apohran <none@email.com>
wrote:
No, I'm not trying to stir up any trouble...
but I m going through a bible study where the topic of losing your
salvation has come up...
Does anyone have passages for/against the argument?
Many thanks,
Yes, both sides do, because no one cares about context.
Care to elaborate?
--
apohran
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Age old debate of losing salvation |
19 Aug 2007 10:32:33 AM |
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On 19 Aug 2007 22:02:36 +0200, apohran <none@email.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:58:41 -0400, Pastor Dave wrote:
On 18 Aug 2007 13:44:51 +0200, apohran <none@email.com>
wrote:
No, I'm not trying to stir up any trouble...
but I m going through a bible study where the topic of losing your
salvation has come up...
Does anyone have passages for/against the argument?
Many thanks,
Yes, both sides do, because no one cares about context.
Care to elaborate?
People tend to be "single passage wonders".
Using this method, both sides will have
passages that seem to support their position.
--
A liberal is someone who will give away everything
except his/her own possessions.
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| User: "apohran" |
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| Title: Re: Age old debate of losing salvation |
20 Aug 2007 11:41:08 AM |
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On Sun, 19 Aug 2007 11:32:33 -0400, Pastor Dave wrote:
On 19 Aug 2007 22:02:36 +0200, apohran <none@email.com>
wrote:
On Fri, 17 Aug 2007 17:58:41 -0400, Pastor Dave wrote:
On 18 Aug 2007 13:44:51 +0200, apohran <none@email.com>
wrote:
No, I'm not trying to stir up any trouble...
but I m going through a bible study where the topic of losing your
salvation has come up...
Does anyone have passages for/against the argument?
Many thanks,
Yes, both sides do, because no one cares about context.
Care to elaborate?
People tend to be "single passage wonders".
Using this method, both sides will have
passages that seem to support their position.
Could you post the passages that support both sides?
Many thanks,
--
apohran
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Age old debate of losing salvation |
20 Aug 2007 08:32:42 AM |
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On 20 Aug 2007 18:41:08 +0200, apohran <none@email.com>
wrote:
Yes, both sides do, because no one cares about context.
Care to elaborate?
People tend to be "single passage wonders".
Using this method, both sides will have
passages that seem to support their position.
Could you post the passages that support both sides?
No, I wouldn't. Honestly, no offense, but I'm not
your library and I'm not going to spend hours
collecting them all for you. Research the issue
and look them up.
--
A liberal is someone who will give away everything
except his/her own possessions.
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| User: "apohran" |
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| Title: Re: Age old debate of losing salvation |
21 Aug 2007 12:49:36 PM |
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On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:32:42 -0400, Pastor Dave wrote:
On 20 Aug 2007 18:41:08 +0200, apohran <none@email.com>
wrote:
Yes, both sides do, because no one cares about context.
Care to elaborate?
People tend to be "single passage wonders".
Using this method, both sides will have
passages that seem to support their position.
Could you post the passages that support both sides?
No, I wouldn't. Honestly, no offense, but I'm not
your library and I'm not going to spend hours
collecting them all for you. Research the issue
and look them up.
Haha that's fine no worries. Just don't post in the thread then :)
Best regards,
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apohran
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Age old debate of losing salvation |
21 Aug 2007 02:45:46 PM |
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On 21 Aug 2007 19:49:36 +0200, apohran <none@email.com>
wrote:
On Mon, 20 Aug 2007 09:32:42 -0400, Pastor Dave wrote:
On 20 Aug 2007 18:41:08 +0200, apohran <none@email.com>
wrote:
Yes, both sides do, because no one cares about context.
Care to elaborate?
People tend to be "single passage wonders".
Using this method, both sides will have
passages that seem to support their position.
Could you post the passages that support both sides?
No, I wouldn't. Honestly, no offense, but I'm not
your library and I'm not going to spend hours
collecting them all for you. Research the issue
and look them up.
Haha that's fine no worries. Just don't post in the thread then :)
If I feel like posting I'll post.
--
A liberal is someone who will give away everything
except his/her own possessions.
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| User: "duke" |
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| Title: Re: Age old debate of losing salvation |
17 Aug 2007 05:11:23 PM |
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On 18 Aug 2007 13:44:51 +0200, apohran <none@email.com> wrote:
No, I'm not trying to stir up any trouble...
but I m going through a bible study where the topic of losing your
salvation has come up...
Does anyone have passages for/against the argument?
Many thanks,
Matthew 7:21 (New International Version)
21"Not everyone who says to me, 'Lord, Lord,' will enter the kingdom of heaven,
but only he who does the will of my Father who is in heaven.
Hebrews 10:26-27 (New International Version)
26If we deliberately keep on sinning after we have received the knowledge of
the truth, no sacrifice for sins is left, 27but only a fearful expectation of
judgment and of raging fire that will consume the enemies of God.
Philippians 2:12 (New International Version)
Shining as Stars
12Therefore, my dear friends, as you have always obeyed—not only in my
presence, but now much more in my absence—continue to work out your salvation
with fear and trembling,
duke, American-American
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