Religions > Bible > Al Gore -- Our ELECTED President -- Endorses DEAN!
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"Craig Chilton" |
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09 Dec 2003 04:12:38 AM |
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Al Gore -- Our ELECTED President -- Endorses DEAN! |
Al Gore... who handily won the popular vote for President in
2000 (and may well have won the Electoral vote as well, if Bush's
partisan cronies in the Supreme Court hadn't CHEATED the
American people out of ever knowing that for *sure*, one way
or the other) -- on December 7, 2003 gave DEAN his endorsement
as the man to OUST Bush next year. This may be the key
advantage that Dean needs to ultimately sew up the nomination,
since he's already well ahead of the rest of the pack in Iowa and
New Hampshire... where the Caucus and Primary, respectively,
are now just a few weeks away!
If Dean beats Bush, the RRR cultists will be whining for years
as their hateful agendas against personal liberties spiral down into
extinction, and that'll be the BEST break Americans have gotten
since Clinton was still President!
-- Craig Chilton
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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01 Jan 2004 05:47:38 PM |
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Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
Rich Travsky <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote
Remember, left wing liberals believe the money you earn is the
governments.
Remember, rightards believe the money you earn should be spent like
a drunken sailor and given to corporate contributors.
So why is Dean trying to raise my taxes?
To pay for the massive increase in Republican spending.
If you don't like taxes then why do you vote for the party that shows
no restraint on spending? Do you _like_ paying the $1000 per taxpayer
cost of the Iraq invasion? Do you _like_ the fact that Bush and
Cheney will save tens of thousands in taxes this year while you get
$300?
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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01 Jan 2004 11:19:38 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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If you don't like taxes then why do you vote for the party that shows
no restraint on spending? Do you _like_ paying the $1000 per taxpayer
cost of the Iraq invasion? Do you _like_ the fact that Bush and
Cheney will save tens of thousands in taxes this year while you get
$300?
Don't forget that a huge number of people in this country think they are
rich or soon will be. In one poll, 17 percent of people believed they were
in the top 1 percent of income in the nation. Moron Americans!
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02 Jan 2004 09:10:14 PM |
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"M is for Malapert" <minxs@sonic.net> wrote in message news:<Kb7Jb.96189$VB2.220566@attbi_s51>...
"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
news:bt2biq$o5c$1@bolt.sonic.net...
If you don't like taxes then why do you vote for the party that shows
no restraint on spending? Do you _like_ paying the $1000 per taxpayer
cost of the Iraq invasion? Do you _like_ the fact that Bush and
Cheney will save tens of thousands in taxes this year while you get
$300?
Don't forget that a huge number of people in this country think they are
rich or soon will be. In one poll, 17 percent of people believed they were
in the top 1 percent of income in the nation. Moron Americans!
If you polled the top six percent of the income earners then %17 would
indeed correctly state they were in the top one percent.
your "poll" is nonsense unless you show the sample group.
Morons who think they are statistics experts!
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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01 Jan 2004 05:54:58 PM |
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In news:bt2biq$o5c$1@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer)
wrote:
Do you _like_ the fact that Bush and Cheney will save tens of thousands
in taxes this year while you get $300?
Some free tax advice:
In order to receive the maximum benefit of any future tax cuts, arrange to
pay more taxes today.
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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@visi.com
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| User: "Mark Fox" |
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02 Jan 2004 09:14:56 PM |
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Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote ..
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Do you _like_ the fact that Bush and Cheney will save tens of thousands
in taxes this year while you get $300?
If you want to raise bush's and Cheney's taxes and not mine then I'll
vote for that.
Some free tax advice:
In order to receive the maximum benefit of any future tax cuts, arrange to
pay more taxes today.
Thats the dumbest advice I have ever heard. Do you work for Enron?
How about world com?
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| User: "Bert Hyman" |
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03 Jan 2004 06:25:55 PM |
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In news:a258afb5.0401021914.46148353@posting.google.com
mark_fox_@yahoo.com (Mark Fox) wrote:
Bert Hyman <bert@visi.com> wrote ..
(Ray Fischer) wrote:
Do you _like_ the fact that Bush and Cheney will save tens of
thousands in taxes this year while you get $300?
If you want to raise bush's and Cheney's taxes and not mine then I'll
vote for that.
Some free tax advice:
In order to receive the maximum benefit of any future tax cuts, arrange
to pay more taxes today.
Thats the dumbest advice I have ever heard.
Why is that? How can you benefit from a tax cut if you're not currently
paying taxes?
Who will receive more back from a 5% tax cut? Someone who pays little or
no taxes or someone who pays lots in taxes?
Do you work for Enron? How about world com?
Do you work for anyone? Do you have any income on which you pay taxes?
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Bert Hyman St. Paul, MN bert@visi.com
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| User: "Rich Travsky " |
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01 Jan 2004 10:08:19 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
Rich Travsky <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote
Remember, left wing liberals believe the money you earn is the
governments.
Remember, rightards believe the money you earn should be spent like
a drunken sailor and given to corporate contributors.
So why is Dean trying to raise my taxes?
To pay for the massive increase in Republican spending.
If you don't like taxes then why do you vote for the party that shows
no restraint on spending? Do you _like_ paying the $1000 per taxpayer
cost of the Iraq invasion? Do you _like_ the fact that Bush and
Cheney will save tens of thousands in taxes this year while you get
$300?
Ready to change your vote, Mark?
RT
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| User: "Mark Fox" |
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02 Jan 2004 09:11:30 PM |
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Rich Travsky <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message news:<3FF4EEB3.330E898F@hotmMOVEail.com>...
Ray Fischer wrote:
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
Rich Travsky <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote
Remember, left wing liberals believe the money you earn is the
governments.
Remember, rightards believe the money you earn should be spent like
a drunken sailor and given to corporate contributors.
So why is Dean trying to raise my taxes?
To pay for the massive increase in Republican spending.
If you don't like taxes then why do you vote for the party that shows
no restraint on spending? Do you _like_ paying the $1000 per taxpayer
cost of the Iraq invasion? Do you _like_ the fact that Bush and
Cheney will save tens of thousands in taxes this year while you get
$300?
Ready to change your vote, Mark?
RT
Is Dean promising to reduce spending, cut taxes and pay down the debt??
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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02 Jan 2004 10:34:30 PM |
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Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
Rich Travsky <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message news:<3FF4EEB3.330E898F@hotmMOVEail.com>...
Ray Fischer wrote:
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
Rich Travsky <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote
Remember, left wing liberals believe the money you earn is the
governments.
Remember, rightards believe the money you earn should be spent like
a drunken sailor and given to corporate contributors.
So why is Dean trying to raise my taxes?
To pay for the massive increase in Republican spending.
If you don't like taxes then why do you vote for the party that shows
no restraint on spending? Do you _like_ paying the $1000 per taxpayer
cost of the Iraq invasion? Do you _like_ the fact that Bush and
Cheney will save tens of thousands in taxes this year while you get
$300?
Ready to change your vote, Mark?
Is Dean promising to reduce spending, cut taxes and pay down the debt??
Is Bush? Well, probably, but he's already pretty well established
that he'll use any lie at all in order to get elected.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Rich Travsky " |
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04 Jan 2004 06:05:16 PM |
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Mark Fox wrote:
Rich Travsky <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote in message news:<3FF4EEB3.330E898F@hotmMOVEail.com>...
Ray Fischer wrote:
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
Rich Travsky <" traRvEsky"@hotmMOVEail.com> wrote
Remember, left wing liberals believe the money you earn is the
governments.
Remember, rightards believe the money you earn should be spent like
a drunken sailor and given to corporate contributors.
So why is Dean trying to raise my taxes?
To pay for the massive increase in Republican spending.
If you don't like taxes then why do you vote for the party that shows
no restraint on spending? Do you _like_ paying the $1000 per taxpayer
cost of the Iraq invasion? Do you _like_ the fact that Bush and
Cheney will save tens of thousands in taxes this year while you get
$300?
Ready to change your vote, Mark?
RT
Is Dean promising to reduce spending, cut taxes and pay down the debt??
Duhbya promised all that, and then broke each one.
RT
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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31 Dec 2003 12:43:50 PM |
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Me <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
Remember, left wing liberals believe the money you earn is the governments.
Really? So why is it that with Republicans in control of the House,
Senate, and White House, we're accumulating record federal debt? Guess
who eventually has to repay that debt? Yup, we taxpayers. Bush loves to
write checks he can't cash so he simply borrows more money.
In fact already about 25% of federal income taxes do nothing but pay
the interest on Reagan's massive borrowing. Sure, a few rich people
got richer, but the result is that we are still paying for it.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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31 Dec 2003 01:17:04 PM |
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"Ray Fischer" <rfischer@bolt.sonic.net> wrote in message
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Me <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
Remember, left wing liberals believe the money you earn is the
governments.
Really? So why is it that with Republicans in control of the House,
Senate, and White House, we're accumulating record federal debt? Guess
who eventually has to repay that debt? Yup, we taxpayers. Bush loves to
write checks he can't cash so he simply borrows more money.
In fact already about 25% of federal income taxes do nothing but pay
the interest on Reagan's massive borrowing. Sure, a few rich people
got richer, but the result is that we are still paying for it.
Remember, right wing conservatives believe that all money earned by anyone
in the world is theirs.
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| User: "melikamp" |
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31 Dec 2003 01:21:30 PM |
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Ray Fischer wrote:
Me <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:
Remember, left wing liberals believe the money you earn is the governments.
Really? So why is it that with Republicans in control of the House,
Senate, and White House, we're accumulating record federal debt? Guess
who eventually has to repay that debt? Yup, we taxpayers. Bush loves to
write checks he can't cash so he simply borrows more money.
In fact already about 25% of federal income taxes do nothing but pay
the interest on Reagan's massive borrowing. Sure, a few rich people
got richer, but the result is that we are still paying for it.
I've been pretty oblivious to politics & finances until very recent,
so I have a pretty basic question: who owns the debt? Who gets the
interest money?
Mel
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| User: "M is for Malapert" |
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31 Dec 2003 05:36:22 PM |
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"melikamp" <jplsp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Ray Fischer wrote:
In fact already about 25% of federal income taxes do nothing but pay
the interest on Reagan's massive borrowing. Sure, a few rich people
got richer, but the result is that we are still paying for it.
I've been pretty oblivious to politics & finances until very recent,
so I have a pretty basic question: who owns the debt? Who gets the
interest money?
Whoever owns government bonds. Today, it's mostly the Chinese.
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| User: "Mark Fox" |
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01 Jan 2004 10:24:18 AM |
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"M is for Malapert" <minxs@sonic.net> wrote in message news:<W3JIb.24348$xX.89750@attbi_s02>...
"melikamp" <jplsp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:_kFIb.698304$HS4.4999949@attbi_s01...
Ray Fischer wrote:
In fact already about 25% of federal income taxes do nothing but pay
the interest on Reagan's massive borrowing. Sure, a few rich people
got richer, but the result is that we are still paying for it.
I've been pretty oblivious to politics & finances until very recent,
so I have a pretty basic question: who owns the debt? Who gets the
interest money?
Whoever owns government bonds. Today, it's mostly the Chinese.
Yes, there are many foreign investors. This is more proof that the
USA is respected and revered around the world as a stable,
responsible, dependable society. Much of the reason is that the USA's
economy is strong even during a recession and has always been good for
its debts.
In fact, noticing where people put their money is much more telling
than what comes out of their mouth at the camera on the nightly news.
There are also many corporations who keep liquid assets in the form of
federal bonds which are easy to sell on a moments notice. Also there
are millions of older workers and retired Americans who have long
since paid off their mortgages and have significant savings in federal
bonds.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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01 Jan 2004 11:42:25 AM |
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Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
"M is for Malapert" <minxs@sonic.net> wrote in message news:<W3JIb.24348$xX.89750@attbi_s02>...
"melikamp" <jplsp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
Ray Fischer wrote:
In fact already about 25% of federal income taxes do nothing but pay
the interest on Reagan's massive borrowing. Sure, a few rich people
got richer, but the result is that we are still paying for it.
I've been pretty oblivious to politics & finances until very recent,
so I have a pretty basic question: who owns the debt? Who gets the
interest money?
Whoever owns government bonds. Today, it's mostly the Chinese.
Yes, there are many foreign investors. This is more proof that the
USA is respected and revered around the world as a stable,
responsible, dependable society.
The value of the dollar has dropped about 40% in the last couple
years.
Much of the reason is that the USA's
economy is strong even during a recession and has always been good for
its debts.
But because the debts have been growing so fast, and because the
current US government shows no sign of any fiscal responsibility,
the long-term viability of the dollar is being threatened.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Mark Fox" |
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01 Jan 2004 10:31:15 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
"M is for Malapert" <minxs@sonic.net> wrote
"melikamp" <jplsp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I've been pretty oblivious to politics & finances until very recent,
so I have a pretty basic question: who owns the debt? Who gets the
interest money?
Whoever owns government bonds. Today, it's mostly the Chinese.
Yes, there are many foreign investors. This is more proof that the
USA is respected and revered around the world as a stable,
responsible, dependable society.
The value of the dollar has dropped about 40% in the last couple
years.
From where did you pull that number?? My money spends about %95 as
good as it used to in the last two years due to the %2.5 percent
inflation rate we have been experiencing.
Much of the reason is that the USA's
economy is strong even during a recession and has always been good for
its debts.
But because the debts have been growing so fast, and because the
current US government shows no sign of any fiscal responsibility,
the long-term viability of the dollar is being threatened.
You are extrapolating current spending and revenue trends to make such
wild claims. Both spending and revenue will turn around in the next
few years. We are in a war and a recession after all.
Check out this report titled:
SWELLING DEFICITS: INCREASED SPENDING IS NOT THE PRINCIPAL CULPRIT
http://www.cbpp.org/10-27-03bud.pdf
or the html version:
http://216.239.53.104/search?q=cache:rt06azco_kYJ:www.cbpp.org/10-27-03bud.pdf+federal+debt+adjusted+for+inflation+2003&hl=en&ie=UTF-8
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| User: "ZenIsWhen" |
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02 Jan 2004 04:03:59 AM |
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"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
"M is for Malapert" <minxs@sonic.net> wrote
"melikamp" <jplsp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I've been pretty oblivious to politics & finances until very
recent,
so I have a pretty basic question: who owns the debt? Who gets the
interest money?
Whoever owns government bonds. Today, it's mostly the Chinese.
Yes, there are many foreign investors. This is more proof that the
USA is respected and revered around the world as a stable,
responsible, dependable society.
The value of the dollar has dropped about 40% in the last couple
years.
From where did you pull that number?? My money spends about %95 as
good as it used to in the last two years due to the %2.5 percent
inflation rate we have been experiencing.
Much of the reason is that the USA's
economy is strong even during a recession and has always been good for
its debts.
But because the debts have been growing so fast, and because the
current US government shows no sign of any fiscal responsibility,
the long-term viability of the dollar is being threatened.
You are extrapolating current spending and revenue trends to make such
wild claims. Both spending and revenue will turn around in the next
few years. We are in a war and a recession after all.
Bwahahaaaaaaa............
you accuse him of extrapolating ...then you irrationally predict the
opposite!
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| User: "Mark Fox" |
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02 Jan 2004 09:05:37 PM |
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"ZenIsWhen" <ZenIsWhen@anywhere.com> wrote
"Mark Fox" <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote in message
...Much of the reason is that the USA's
economy is strong even during a recession and has always been good for
its debts.
But because the debts have been growing so fast, and because the
current US government shows no sign of any fiscal responsibility,
the long-term viability of the dollar is being threatened.
You are extrapolating current spending and revenue trends to make such
wild claims. Both spending and revenue will turn around in the next
few years. We are in a war and a recession after all.
Bwahahaaaaaaa............
you accuse him of extrapolating ...then you irrationally predict the
opposite!
No. I'm only predicting a return to pre war spending levels and a
return to rising stock prices and employment. The opposite would be a
dramatic reduction in spending that would be harmful to the economy.
Try to focus and pay attention.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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02 Jan 2004 10:32:25 PM |
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Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
"M is for Malapert" <minxs@sonic.net> wrote
"melikamp" <jplsp@yahoo.com> wrote in message
I've been pretty oblivious to politics & finances until very recent,
so I have a pretty basic question: who owns the debt? Who gets the
interest money?
Whoever owns government bonds. Today, it's mostly the Chinese.
Yes, there are many foreign investors. This is more proof that the
USA is respected and revered around the world as a stable,
responsible, dependable society.
The value of the dollar has dropped about 40% in the last couple
years.
From where did you pull that number??
Business section of the newspaper. A couple of years ago the Euro
cost 90 cents. Now it's $1.25.
? My money spends about %95 as
good as it used to in the last two years due to the %2.5 percent
inflation rate we have been experiencing.
Average incomes in the US have fallen behind inflation.
People are earning less now than they were three years ago.
Much of the reason is that the USA's
economy is strong even during a recession and has always been good for
its debts.
But because the debts have been growing so fast, and because the
current US government shows no sign of any fiscal responsibility,
the long-term viability of the dollar is being threatened.
You are extrapolating current spending and revenue trends to make such
wild claims.
No, actually I'm using government extrapolation. The Republicans have
NO plan for balancing the budget. Their projections show deficits for
at least the next decade.
Both spending and revenue will turn around in the next
few years.
Not according to the Bush administration.
Check out this report titled:
SWELLING DEFICITS: INCREASED SPENDING IS NOT THE PRINCIPAL CULPRIT
Even though the Bush administration has been going on a spending
spree.
http://www.cbpp.org/10-27-03bud.pdf
To be sure, the recent increase in expenditures as a share of GDP
is not exclusively the result of the recent recession.
Expenditures have been rising over the last three years in all
areas of the budget other than interest payments on the
debt.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Mark Fox" |
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04 Jan 2004 08:43:48 AM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
Average incomes in the US have fallen behind inflation.
People are earning less now than they were three years ago.
Oh? From where did you get that information?
Much of the reason is that the USA's
economy is strong even during a recession and has always been good for
its debts.
But because the debts have been growing so fast, and because the
current US government shows no sign of any fiscal responsibility,
the long-term viability of the dollar is being threatened.
You are extrapolating current spending and revenue trends to make such
wild claims.
No, actually I'm using government extrapolation.
So why haven't you shown your source of this "government
extrapolation"?
The Republicans have
NO plan for balancing the budget.
Of course they do. You may not agree with it. It may not be correct.
But there is a plan. For you to deny that is just plain silly.
The plan is to deficit spend by both cutting taxes while increasing
government spending. This will stimulate the economy as you have seen
in the largest growth rate in decades. Stock market prices are also on
the rise. Rising sales for business will turn into rising employment.
All of those sectors, (stock owners, businesses, and employees) pay
taxes. thus the Bush plan is that tax revenues will increase to pay
down the debt.
Again, you may feel free to disagree with this plan but to claim there
is no plan is ignorant.
Now that we have cleared that up, what is Dean's plan??? (other than
raising taxes on the middle class and appeasing terrorists and
coddling those awful back stabbing French)
Their projections show deficits for
at least the next decade.
Both spending and revenue will turn around in the next
few years.
Not according to the Bush administration.
You are making claims of fact but you show no data?
The economy is already turning around thus tax revenues will go up.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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06 Jan 2004 10:54:00 PM |
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Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
Average incomes in the US have fallen behind inflation.
People are earning less now than they were three years ago.
Oh? From where did you get that information?
http://www.unm.edu/~bber/econ/us-pci.htm
http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl
You are extrapolating current spending and revenue trends to make such
wild claims.
No, actually I'm using government extrapolation.
So why haven't you shown your source of this "government
extrapolation"?
Let's look at some wildly optimistic numbers
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2004/summary.html
The Republicans have
NO plan for balancing the budget.
Of course they do.
What is it?
The plan is to deficit spend by both cutting taxes while increasing
government spending.
That's the opposite of balancing the budget.
This will stimulate the economy as you have seen
in the largest growth rate in decades.
One quarter's numbers to not make a trend.
Stock market prices are also on
the rise. Rising sales for business will turn into rising employment.
All of those sectors, (stock owners, businesses, and employees) pay
taxes. thus the Bush plan is that tax revenues will increase to pay
down the debt.
Trickle down is a scam. It doesn't work. Especially when the tax
cuts are sent overseas. For proof notice that the $6,000,000,000,000
debt Reagan ran up is still with us.
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Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Mark Fox" |
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15 Jan 2004 11:29:00 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<btg3d7$au$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
Average incomes in the US have fallen behind inflation.
People are earning less now than they were three years ago.
Oh? From where did you get that information?
http://www.unm.edu/~bber/econ/us-pci.htm
http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl
You are extrapolating current spending and revenue trends to make such
wild claims.
No, actually I'm using government extrapolation.
So why haven't you shown your source of this "government
extrapolation"?
Let's look at some wildly optimistic numbers
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2004/summary.html
The Republicans have
NO plan for balancing the budget.
Of course they do.
What is it?
The plan is to deficit spend by both cutting taxes while increasing
government spending.
That's the opposite of balancing the budget.
This will stimulate the economy as you have seen
in the largest growth rate in decades.
One quarter's numbers to not make a trend.
Stock market prices are also on
the rise. Rising sales for business will turn into rising employment.
All of those sectors, (stock owners, businesses, and employees) pay
taxes. thus the Bush plan is that tax revenues will increase to pay
down the debt.
Trickle down is a scam. It doesn't work. Especially when the tax
cuts are sent overseas. For proof notice that the $6,000,000,000,000
debt Reagan ran up is still with us.
Yea and a loaf of bread costs $1.50 now instead of a quarter when I
was a kid. Thats proof that the world and the economy is going
straight to hell.
Why didn't Bill Clinton do anything about that 6 trillion debt?
He had eight years? Too much attention to Monica instead of doing his
job I suppose?
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| User: "David Barnes" |
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16 Jan 2004 08:53:15 PM |
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In article <a258afb5.0401152129.57f5a027@posting.google.com>, Mark Fox
<mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message
news:<btg3d7$au$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
Average incomes in the US have fallen behind inflation.
People are earning less now than they were three years ago.
Oh? From where did you get that information?
http://www.unm.edu/~bber/econ/us-pci.htm
http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl
You are extrapolating current spending and revenue trends to make such
wild claims.
No, actually I'm using government extrapolation.
So why haven't you shown your source of this "government
extrapolation"?
Let's look at some wildly optimistic numbers
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2004/summary.html
The Republicans have
NO plan for balancing the budget.
Of course they do.
What is it?
The plan is to deficit spend by both cutting taxes while increasing
government spending.
That's the opposite of balancing the budget.
This will stimulate the economy as you have seen
in the largest growth rate in decades.
One quarter's numbers to not make a trend.
Stock market prices are also on
the rise. Rising sales for business will turn into rising employment.
All of those sectors, (stock owners, businesses, and employees) pay
taxes. thus the Bush plan is that tax revenues will increase to pay
down the debt.
Trickle down is a scam. It doesn't work. Especially when the tax
cuts are sent overseas. For proof notice that the $6,000,000,000,000
debt Reagan ran up is still with us.
Yea and a loaf of bread costs $1.50 now instead of a quarter when I
was a kid. Thats proof that the world and the economy is going
straight to hell.
Why didn't Bill Clinton do anything about that 6 trillion debt?
He had eight years? Too much attention to Monica instead of doing his
job I suppose?
Here you go, "Democrat." <http://www.buzzflash.com/areyoubetteroff/>
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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15 Jan 2004 11:41:53 PM |
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Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<btg3d7$au$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
Average incomes in the US have fallen behind inflation.
People are earning less now than they were three years ago.
Oh? From where did you get that information?
http://www.unm.edu/~bber/econ/us-pci.htm
http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl
You are extrapolating current spending and revenue trends to make such
wild claims.
No, actually I'm using government extrapolation.
So why haven't you shown your source of this "government
extrapolation"?
Let's look at some wildly optimistic numbers
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2004/summary.html
The Republicans have
NO plan for balancing the budget.
Of course they do.
What is it?
The plan is to deficit spend by both cutting taxes while increasing
government spending.
That's the opposite of balancing the budget.
This will stimulate the economy as you have seen
in the largest growth rate in decades.
One quarter's numbers to not make a trend.
Stock market prices are also on
the rise. Rising sales for business will turn into rising employment.
All of those sectors, (stock owners, businesses, and employees) pay
taxes. thus the Bush plan is that tax revenues will increase to pay
down the debt.
Trickle down is a scam. It doesn't work. Especially when the tax
cuts are sent overseas. For proof notice that the $6,000,000,000,000
debt Reagan ran up is still with us.
Yea and a loaf of bread costs $1.50 now instead of a quarter when I
was a kid. Thats proof that the world and the economy is going
straight to hell.
Gesundheit.
Why didn't Bill Clinton do anything about that 6 trillion debt?
He did. Where have you been?
He had eight years?
Vut spending and reduced the annual deficit from $350,000,000,000
to a $150,000,000,000 surplus.
Too much attention to Monica instead of doing his
job I suppose?
No, you're just a stupid *****.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Mark Fox" |
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16 Jan 2004 07:52:13 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<bu7tj0$qvn$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<btg3d7$au$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
Average incomes in the US have fallen behind inflation.
People are earning less now than they were three years ago.
Oh? From where did you get that information?
http://www.unm.edu/~bber/econ/us-pci.htm
http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl
You are extrapolating current spending and revenue trends to make such
wild claims.
No, actually I'm using government extrapolation.
So why haven't you shown your source of this "government
extrapolation"?
Let's look at some wildly optimistic numbers
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2004/summary.html
The Republicans have
NO plan for balancing the budget.
Of course they do.
What is it?
The plan is to deficit spend by both cutting taxes while increasing
government spending.
That's the opposite of balancing the budget.
This will stimulate the economy as you have seen
in the largest growth rate in decades.
One quarter's numbers to not make a trend.
Stock market prices are also on
the rise. Rising sales for business will turn into rising employment.
All of those sectors, (stock owners, businesses, and employees) pay
taxes. thus the Bush plan is that tax revenues will increase to pay
down the debt.
Trickle down is a scam. It doesn't work. Especially when the tax
cuts are sent overseas. For proof notice that the $6,000,000,000,000
debt Reagan ran up is still with us.
Yea and a loaf of bread costs $1.50 now instead of a quarter when I
was a kid. Thats proof that the world and the economy is going
straight to hell.
Gesundheit.
Why didn't Bill Clinton do anything about that 6 trillion debt?
He did. Where have you been?
He had eight years?
Vut spending and reduced the annual deficit from $350,000,000,000
to a $150,000,000,000 surplus.
Too much attention to Monica instead of doing his
job I suppose?
No, you're just a stupid *****.
Interested in my *****, are you?
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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| Title: Re: Conservatives believe the money you earn isn't yours |
16 Jan 2004 10:48:05 PM |
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Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<bu7tj0$qvn$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Trickle down is a scam. It doesn't work. Especially when the tax
cuts are sent overseas. For proof notice that the $6,000,000,000,000
debt Reagan ran up is still with us.
Yea and a loaf of bread costs $1.50 now instead of a quarter when I
was a kid. Thats proof that the world and the economy is going
straight to hell.
Gesundheit.
Why didn't Bill Clinton do anything about that 6 trillion debt?
He did. Where have you been?
He had eight years?
He cut spending and reduced the annual deficit from $350,000,000,000
to a $150,000,000,000 surplus.
Too much attention to Monica instead of doing his
job I suppose?
No, you're just a stupid *****.
Interested in my *****, are you?
So you're stupid and illiterate.
No wonder you're a Republican.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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| User: "Lawrence E. McKnight" |
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16 Jan 2004 07:30:46 PM |
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On 15 Jan 2004 21:29:00 -0800, (Mark Fox) wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<btg3d7$au$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Mark Fox < > wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote
Mark Fox < > wrote:
Average incomes in the US have fallen behind inflation.
People are earning less now than they were three years ago.
Oh? From where did you get that information?
http://www.unm.edu/~bber/econ/us-pci.htm
http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl
You are extrapolating current spending and revenue trends to make such
wild claims.
No, actually I'm using government extrapolation.
So why haven't you shown your source of this "government
extrapolation"?
Let's look at some wildly optimistic numbers
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2004/summary.html
The Republicans have
NO plan for balancing the budget.
Of course they do.
What is it?
The plan is to deficit spend by both cutting taxes while increasing
government spending.
That's the opposite of balancing the budget.
This will stimulate the economy as you have seen
in the largest growth rate in decades.
One quarter's numbers to not make a trend.
Have you noticed that the Bush fans have been strangely silent about
the recent job growth figures?
Stock market prices are also on
the rise. Rising sales for business will turn into rising employment.
All of those sectors, (stock owners, businesses, and employees) pay
taxes. thus the Bush plan is that tax revenues will increase to pay
down the debt.
Trickle down is a scam. It doesn't work. Especially when the tax
cuts are sent overseas. For proof notice that the $6,000,000,000,000
debt Reagan ran up is still with us.
Yea and a loaf of bread costs $1.50 now instead of a quarter when I
was a kid. Thats proof that the world and the economy is going
straight to hell.
So? Well, you could argue that the price of bread has gone up faster
than the minimum wage. But you wouldn't.
Why didn't Bill Clinton do anything about that 6 trillion debt?
Were you too busy reading about blow jobs? The debt was being paid
down, and was projected to be totally paid off within ten years or so.
Serious people were actually worried about what would happen if there
were no new government bonds, because they are used as benchmarks.
He had eight years? Too much attention to Monica instead of doing his
job I suppose?
-
Larry
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make obvious deletion for email
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| User: "Mark Fox" |
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15 Jan 2004 11:32:48 PM |
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(Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<btg3d7$au$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
(Ray Fischer) wrote
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
Average incomes in the US have fallen behind inflation.
People are earning less now than they were three years ago.
Oh? From where did you get that information?
http://www.unm.edu/~bber/econ/us-pci.htm
http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl
You are extrapolating current spending and revenue trends to make such
wild claims.
No, actually I'm using government extrapolation.
So why haven't you shown your source of this "government
extrapolation"?
Let's look at some wildly optimistic numbers
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2004/summary.html
The Republicans have
NO plan for balancing the budget.
Of course they do.
What is it?
The plan is to deficit spend by both cutting taxes while increasing
government spending.
That's the opposite of balancing the budget.
Do you want to ***** that there are no jobs or do you want to *****
about balancing the budget? you flip flop so often I have lost track
of what your bitching about today.
This will stimulate the economy as you have seen
in the largest growth rate in decades.
One quarter's numbers to not make a trend.
How many "quarters" will it take?
Stock market prices are also on
the rise. Rising sales for business will turn into rising employment.
All of those sectors, (stock owners, businesses, and employees) pay
taxes. thus the Bush plan is that tax revenues will increase to pay
down the debt.
Trickle down is a scam. It doesn't work.
Gosh I didn't hear anyone complaining during the 12 years of economic
expansion.
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| User: "Ray Fischer" |
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15 Jan 2004 11:44:29 PM |
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Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote in message news:<btg3d7$au$1@bolt.sonic.net>...
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
rfischer@bolt.sonic.net (Ray Fischer) wrote
Mark Fox <mark_fox_@yahoo.com> wrote:
Average incomes in the US have fallen behind inflation.
People are earning less now than they were three years ago.
Oh? From where did you get that information?
http://www.unm.edu/~bber/econ/us-pci.htm
http://data.bls.gov/cgi-bin/cpicalc.pl
You are extrapolating current spending and revenue trends to make such
wild claims.
No, actually I'm using government extrapolation.
So why haven't you shown your source of this "government
extrapolation"?
Let's look at some wildly optimistic numbers
http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/budget/fy2004/summary.html
The Republicans have
NO plan for balancing the budget.
Of course they do.
What is it?
The plan is to deficit spend by both cutting taxes while increasing
government spending.
That's the opposite of balancing the budget.
Do you want to ***** that there are no jobs or do you want to *****
about balancing the budget? you flip flop so often I have lost track
of what your bitching about today.
You must be pretty stupid if you cannot follow along.
But of course, you're a Republican.
Stock market prices are also on
the rise. Rising sales for business will turn into rising employment.
All of those sectors, (stock owners, businesses, and employees) pay
taxes. thus the Bush plan is that tax revenues will increase to pay
down the debt.
Trickle down is a scam. It doesn't work.
Gosh I didn't hear anyone complaining during the 12 years of economic
expansion.
There weren't 12 years of economic expansion, dimwit.
Look at your federal income taxes. 25% of what you pay does nothing
but pay interest on the debt Reagan/Bush ran up.
You must LOVE paying taxes.
--
Ray Fischer
rfischer@sonic.net
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