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American Liberty at it's roots |
- - The Pilgrim Fathers
The English Reformers, while renouncing the doctrines of Romanism, =
had retained many of its forms. Thus though the authority and the creed =
of Rome were rejected, not a few of her customs and ceremonies were =
incorporated into the worship of the Church of England. It was claimed =
that these things were not matters of conscience; that though they were =
not commanded in Scripture, and hence were nonessential, yet not being =
forbidden, they were not intrinsically evil. Their observance tended to =
narrow the gulf which separated the reformed churches from Rome, and it =
was urged that they would promote the acceptance of the Protestant faith =
by Romanists.
To the conservative and compromising, these arguments seemed =
conclusive. But there was another class that did not so judge. The fact =
that these customs "tended to bridge over the chasm between Rome and the =
Reformation" (Martyn, volume 5, page 22), was in their view a conclusive =
argument against retaining them. They looked upon them as badges of the =
slavery from which they had been delivered and to which they had no =
disposition to return. They reasoned that God has in His word =
established the regulations governing His worship, and that men are not =
at liberty to add to these or to detract from them. The very beginning =
of the great apostasy was in seeking to supplement the authority of God =
by that of the church. Rome began by enjoining what God had not =
forbidden, and she ended by forbidding what He had explicitly enjoined.=20
Many earnestly desired to return to the purity and simplicity which =
characterized the primitive church. They regarded many of the =
established customs of the English Church as monuments of idolatry, and =
they could not in conscience unite in her worship. But the church, being =
supported by the civil authority, would permit no dissent from her =
forms. Attendance upon her service was required by law, and unauthorized =
assemblies for religious worship were prohibited, under penalty of =
imprisonment, exile, and death.
At the opening of the seventeenth century the monarch who had just =
ascended the throne of England declared his determination to make the =
Puritans "conform, or . . . harry them out of the land, or else =
worse."--George Bancroft, History of the United States of America, pt. =
1, ch. 12, par. 6. Hunted, persecuted, and imprisoned, they could =
discern in the future no promise of better days, and many yielded to the =
conviction that for such as would serve God according to the dictates of =
their conscience, "England was ceasing forever to be a habitable =
place."--J. G. Palfrey, History of New England, ch. 3, par. 43. Some at =
last determined to seek refuge in Holland. Difficulties, losses, and =
imprisonment were encountered. Their purposes were thwarted, and they =
were betrayed into the hands of their enemies. But steadfast =
perseverance finally conquered, and they found shelter on the friendly =
shores of the Dutch Republic. =20
In their flight they had left their houses, their goods, and their =
means of livelihood. They were strangers in a strange land, among a =
people of different language and customs. They were forced to resort to =
new and untried occupations to earn their bread. Middle-aged men, who =
had spent their lives in tilling the soil, had now to learn mechanical =
trades. But they cheerfully accepted the situation and lost no time in =
idleness or repining. Though often pinched with poverty,they thanked God =
for the blessings which were still granted them and found their joy in =
unmolested spiritual communion. "They knew they were pilgrims, and =
looked not much on those things, but lifted up their eyes to heaven, =
their dearest country, and quieted their spirits."--Bancroft, pt. 1, ch. =
12, par. 15.
In the midst of exile and hardship their love and faith waxed =
strong. They trusted the Lord's promises, and He did not fail them in =
time of need. His angels were by their side, to encourage and support =
them. And when God's hand seemed pointing them across the sea, to a land =
where they might found for themselves a state, and leave to their =
children the precious heritage of religious liberty, they went forward, =
without shrinking, in the path of providence. =20
God had permitted trials to come upon His people to prepare them =
for the accomplishment of His gracious purpose toward them. The church =
had been brought low, that she might be exalted. God was about to =
display His power in her behalf, to give to the world another evidence =
that He will not forsake those who trust in Him. He had overruled events =
to cause the wrath of Satan and the plots of evil men to advance His =
glory and to bring His people to a place of security. Persecution and =
exile were opening the way to freedom.
When first constrained to separate from the English Church, the =
Puritans had joined themselves together by a solemn covenant, as the =
Lord's free people, "to walk together in all His ways made known or to =
be made known to them." --J. Brown, The Pilgrim Fathers, page 74. Here =
was the true spirit of reform, the vital principle of Protestantism. It =
was with this purpose that the Pilgrims departed from Holland to find a =
home in the New World. John Robinson, their pastor, who was =
providentially prevented from accompanying them, in his farewell address =
to the exiles said:=20
"Brethren, we are now erelong to part asunder, and the Lord knoweth =
whether I shall live ever to see your faces more. But whether the Lord =
hath appointed it or not,I charge you before God and His blessed angels =
to follow me no farther than I have followed Christ. If God should =
reveal anything to you by any other instrument of His, be as ready to =
receive it as ever you were to receive any truth of my ministry; for I =
am very confident the Lord hath more truth and light yet to break forth =
out of His holy word."--Martyn, vol. 5, p. 70. =20
"For my part, I cannot sufficiently bewail the condition of the =
reformed churches, who are come to a period in religion, and will go at =
present no farther than the instruments of their reformation. The =
Lutherans cannot be drawn to go beyond what Luther saw; . . . and the =
Calvinists, you see, stick fast where they were left by that great man =
of God, who yet saw not all things. This is a misery much to be =
lamented; for though they were burning and shining lights in their time, =
yet they penetrated not into the whole counsel of God, but were they now =
living, would be as willing to embrace further light as that which they =
first received."--D. Neal, History of the Puritans, vol. 1, p. 269.=20
"Remember your church covenant, in which you have agreed to walk in =
all the ways of the Lord, made or to be made known unto you. Remember =
your promise and covenant with God and with one another, to receive =
whatever light and truth shall be made known to you from His written =
word; but withal, take heed, I beseech you, what you receive for truth, =
and compare it and weigh it with other scriptures of truth before you =
accept it; for it is not possible the Christian world should come so =
lately out of such thick antichristian darkness, and that full =
perfection of knowledge should break forth at once."--Martyn, vol. 5, =
pp. 70, 71.
It was the desire for liberty of conscience that inspired the =
Pilgrims to brave the perils of the long journey across the sea, to =
endure the hardships and dangers of the wilderness, and with God's =
blessing to lay, on the shores of America, the foundation of a mighty =
nation. Yet honest and God-fearing=20
as they were, the Pilgrims did not yet comprehend the great principle of =
religious liberty. The freedom which they sacrificed so much to secure =
for themselves, they were not equally ready to grant to others. "Very =
few, even of the foremost thinkers and moralists of the seventeenth =
century, had any just conception of that grand principle, the outgrowth =
of the New Testament, which acknowledges God as the sole judge of human =
faith."--Ibid., vol. 5, p. 297. The doctrine that God has committed to =
the church the right to control the conscience, and to define and punish =
heresy, is one of the most deeply rooted of papal errors. While the =
Reformers rejected the creed of Rome, they were not entirely free from =
her spirit of intolerance. The dense darkness in which, through the long =
ages of her rule, popery had enveloped all Christendom, had not even yet =
been wholly dissipated. Said one of the leading ministers in the colony =
of Massachusetts Bay: "It was toleration that made the world =
antichristian; and the church never took harm by the punishment of =
heretics."--Ibid., vol. 5, p. 335. The regulation was adopted by the =
colonists that only church members should have a voice in the civil =
government. A kind of state church was formed, all the people being =
required to contribute to the support of the clergy, and the magistrates =
being authorized to suppress heresy. Thus the secular power was in the =
hands of the church. It was not long before these measures led to the =
inevitable result --persecution.
Eleven years after the planting of the first colony, Roger Williams =
came to the New World. Like the early Pilgrims he came to enjoy =
religious freedom; but, unlike them, he saw --what so few in his time =
had yet seen--that this freedom was the inalienable right of all, =
whatever might be their creed. He was an earnest seeker for truth, with =
Robinson holding it impossible that all the light from God's word had =
yet been received. Williams "was the first person in modern Christendom =
to establish civil government on the doctrine of the liberty of =
conscience, the equality of opinions before the law."--Bancroft, pt. 1, =
ch. 15, par. 16. He declared it to be the duty of the magistrate to =
restrain crime, but never to control the conscience. "The public or the =
magistrates may decide," he said, "what is due from man to man; but when =
they attempt to prescribe a man's duties to God, they are out of place, =
and there can be no safety; for it is clear that if the magistrates has =
the power, he may decree one set of opinions or beliefs today and =
another tomorrow; as has been done in England by different kings and =
queens, and by different popes and councils in the Roman Church; so that =
belief would become a heap of confusion."--Martyn, vol. 5, p. 340. =20
Attendance at the services of the established church was required =
under a penalty of fine or imprisonment. "Williams reprobated the law; =
the worst statute in the English code was that which did but enforce =
attendance upon the parish church. To compel men to unite with those of =
a different creed, he regarded as an open violation of their natural =
rights; to drag to public worship the irreligious and the unwilling, =
seemed only like requiring hypocrisy. . . . 'No one should be bound to =
worship, or,' he added, 'to maintain a worship, against his own =
consent.' 'What!' exclaimed his antagonists, amazed at his tenets, 'is =
not the laborer worthy of his hire?' 'Yes,' replied he, 'from them that =
hire him.'"-- Bancroft, pt. 1, ch. 15, par. 2.=20
Roger Williams was respected and beloved as a faithful minister, a =
man of rare gifts, of unbending integrity and true benevolence; yet his =
steadfast denial of the right of civil magistrates to authority over the =
church, and his demand for religious liberty, could not be tolerated. =
The application of this new doctrine, it was urged, would "subvert the =
fundamental state and government of the country."--Ibid., pt. 1, ch. 15, =
par. 10. He was sentenced to banishment from the colonies, and, finally, =
to avoid arrest, he was forced to flee, amid the cold and storms of =
winter, into the unbroken forest.
"For fourteen weeks," he says, "I was sorely tossed in a bitter =
season, not knowing what bread or bed did mean." But "the ravens fed me =
in the wilderness," and a hollow tree often served him for a =
shelter.--Martyn, vol. 5, pp. 349, 350. Thus he continued his painful =
flight through the snow and the trackless forest, until he found refuge =
with an Indian tribe whose confidence and affection he had won while =
endeavoring to teach them the truths of the gospel. =20
Making his way at last, after months of change and wandering, to =
the shores of Narragansett Bay, he there laid the foundation of the =
first state of modern times that in the fullest sense recognized the =
right of religious freedom. The fundamental principle of Roger =
Williams's colony was "that every man should have liberty to worship God =
according to the light of his own conscience."--Ibid., vol. 5, p. 354. =
His little state, Rhode Island, became the asylum of the oppressed, and =
it increased and prospered until its foundation principles--civil and =
religious liberty--became the cornerstones of the American Republic. =20
In that grand old document which our forefathers set forth as their =
bill of rights--the Declaration of Independence--they declared: "We hold =
these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal; that =
they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that =
among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness." And the =
Constitution guarantees, in the most explicit terms, the inviolability =
of conscience: "No religious test shall ever be required as a =
qualification to any office of public trust under the United States." =
"Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or =
prohibiting the free exercise thereof."=20
"The framers of the Constitution recognized the eternal principle =
that man's relation with his God is above human legislation, and his =
rights of conscience inalienable. Reasoning was not necessary to =
establish this truth; we are conscious of it in our own bosoms. It is =
this consciousness which, in defiance of human laws, has sustained so =
many martyrs in tortures and flames. They felt that their duty to God =
was superior to human enactments, and that man could exercise no =
authority over their consciences. It is an inborn principle which =
nothing can eradicate."--Congressional documents (U.S.A.), serial No. =
200, document No. 271.
As the tidings spread through the countries of Europe, of a land =
where every man might enjoy the fruit of his own labor and obey the =
convictions of his own conscience, thousands flocked to the shores of =
the New World. Colonies rapidly multiplied. "Massachusetts, by special =
law, offered free welcome and aid, at the public cost, to Christians of =
any nationality who might fly beyond the Atlantic 'to escape from wars =
or famine, or the oppression of their persecutors.' Thus the fugitive =
and the downtrodden were, by statute, made the guests of the =
commonwealth."--Martyn, vol. 5, p. 417. In twenty years from the first =
landing at Plymouth, as many thousand Pilgrims were settled in New =
England.
To secure the object which they sought, "they were content to earn =
a bare subsistence by a life of frugality and toil. They asked nothing =
from the soil but the reasonable returns of their own labor. No golden =
vision threw a deceitful halo around their path. . . . They were content =
with the slow but steady progress of their social polity. They patiently =
endured the privations of the wilderness, watering the tree of liberty =
with their tears, and with the sweat of their brow, till it took deep =
root in the land."
The Bible was held as the foundation of faith, the source of =
wisdom, and the charter of liberty. Its principles were diligently =
taught in the home, in the school, and in the church, and its fruits =
were manifest in thrift, intelligence, purity, and temperance. One might =
be for years a dweller in the Puritan settlement, "and not see a =
drunkard, or hear an oath, or meet a beggar."--Bancroft, pt. 1, ch. 19, =
par. 25. It was demonstrated that the principles of the Bible are the =
surest safeguards of national greatness. The feeble and isolated =
colonies grew to a confederation of powerful states, and the world =
marked with wonder the peace and prosperity of "a church without a pope, =
and a state without a king."=20
But continually increasing numbers were attracted to the shores of =
America, actuated by motives widely different from those of the first =
Pilgrims. Though the primitive faith and purity exerted a widespread and =
molding power, yet its influence became less and less as the numbers =
increased of those who sought only worldly advantage.
The regulation adopted by the early colonists, of permitting only =
members of the church to vote or to hold office in the civil government, =
led to most pernicious results. This measure had been accepted as a =
means of preserving the purity of the state, but it resulted in the =
corruption of the church. A profession of religion being the condition =
of suffrage and officeholding, many, actuated solely by motives of =
worldly policy, united with the church without a change of heart. Thus =
the churches came to consist, to a considerable extent, of unconverted =
persons; and even in the ministry were those who not only held errors of =
doctrine, but who were ignorant of the renewing power of the Holy =
Spirit. Thus again was demonstrated the evil results, so often witnessed =
in the history of the church from the days of Constantine to the =
present, of attempting to build up the church by the aid of the state, =
of appealing to the secular power in support of the gospel of Him who =
declared: "My kingdom is not of this world." John 18:36. The union of =
the church with the state, be the degree never so slight, while it may =
appear to bring the world nearer to the church, does in reality but =
bring the church nearer to the world.
The great principle so nobly advocated by Robinson and Roger =
Williams, that truth is progressive, that Christians should stand ready =
to accept all the light which may shine from God's holy word, was lost =
sight of by their descendants. The Protestant churches of America,--and =
those of Europe as well,--so highly favored in receiving the blessings =
of the Reformation, failed to press forward in the path of reform. =
Though a few faithful men arose, from time to time, to proclaim new =
truth and expose long-cherished error, the majority, like the Jews in =
Christ's day or the papists in the time of Luther, were content to =
believe as their fathers had believed and to live as they had lived. =
Therefore religion again degenerated into formalism; and errors and =
superstitions which would have been cast aside had the church continued =
to walk in the light of God's word, were retained and cherished. Thus =
the spirit inspired by the Reformation gradually died out, until there =
was almost as great need of reform in the Protestant churches as in the =
Roman Church in the time of Luther. There was the same worldliness and =
spiritual stupor, a similar reverence for the opinions of men, and =
substitution of human theories for the teachings of God's word.
The wide circulation of the Bible in the early part of the =
nineteenth century, and the great light thus shed upon the world, was =
not followed by a corresponding advance in knowledge of revealed truth, =
or in experimental religion. Satan could not, as in former ages, keep =
God's word from the people; it had been placed within the reach of all; =
but in order still to accomplish his object, he led many to value it but =
lightly. Men neglected to search the Scriptures, and thus they continued =
to accept false interpretations, and to cherish doctrines which had no =
foundation in the Bible.
Seeing the failure of his efforts to crush out the truth by =
persecution, Satan had again resorted to the plan of compromise which =
led to the great apostasy and the formation of the Church of Rome. He =
had induced Christians to ally themselves, not now with pagans, but =
with those who, by their devotion to the things of this world, had =
proved themselves to be as truly idolaters as were the worshipers of =
graven images. And the results of this union were no less pernicious now =
than in former ages; pride and extravagance were fostered under the =
guise of religion, and the churches became corrupted. Satan continued to =
pervert the doctrines of the Bible, and traditions that were to ruin =
millions were taking deep root. The church was upholding and defending =
these traditions, instead of contending for "the faith which was once =
delivered unto the saints." Thus were degraded the principles for which =
the Reformers had done and suffered so much.=20
Quoted from: The Great Controversy ch 16, pp 289 - 298 by E.G. White
If you'd like to read the entire book:
http://snipurl.com/ChristianClassicsGC
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| Title: Re: American Liberty at it's roots |
20 Jan 2005 03:41:10 AM |
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"Cindy" <truth@nospam.com> wrote in message
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- - The Pilgrim Fathers
The English Reformers, while renouncing the doctrines of Romanism...
<snip>
thats as far as I got.
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19 Jan 2005 05:41:15 PM |
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"Cindy" <truth@nospam.com> wrote in message
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- - The Pilgrim Fathers
SNIP!!!
What the hell is all this, Cindy?? A three (four?) part extremely long
message that you didn't write yourself? Get a freakin' life, will you!
Sorry for being blunt, but you are really insulting people here with your
diatribes, and you're degrading your own credibility by posting such crap.
But if it turns you on................
EW
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19 Jan 2005 11:01:32 PM |
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In article <3589bfF4jn2p1U1@individual.net>, "EW"
<ewyatt_erase@excite.com> wrote:
"Cindy" <truth@nospam.com> wrote in message
news:csm192$fm3@library2.airnews.net...
- - The Pilgrim Fathers
SNIP!!!
What the hell is all this, Cindy?? A three (four?) part extremely long
message that you didn't write yourself? Get a freakin' life, will you!
Maybe you could get a dingo and take it for walks
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22 Jan 2005 08:28:51 AM |
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"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:05:48 -0500, "Cindy" <truth@nospam.com>
wrote:
- - The Pilgrim Fathers
...BIG SNIP of questionable material...
Why is it questionable? Because Don says it is???
Note:
First the man claimed repeatedly that I could not quote from Ellen
White because I was breaking copywrite law, even though his point was
moot from the first as the writings being quoted weren't even under
copywrite.
How is what I posted here about American liberty at it's roots, false?
Now the man refuses to even deal with that question which he raised
here himself, or even touch on the subject matter.
Ever heard about people who hate the message, but are unable to deal
with the truth, so attack the messenger in order to smother out the
message instead? The inquisitors of Rome did the same, murdering the
Saints and martyrs to silence them, as the antichrist is terrified at
the truth. Here we can see Don using these same tactics...
In contrast true Christians know the best defense against error is
truth, even as Jesus demonstrated. Darkness can not exist in the
presence of light. We have no reason to silence our enemies with end
justifies the means tactics, or wipe out the neighbors we were
commanded to love.
Quoted from: The Great Controversy ch 16, pp 289 - 298 by E.G.
White
If you'd like to read the entire book:
http://notreal.com
Why was it necessary to change the link????
http://snipurl.com/ChristianClassicsGC
Ellen G. White has been considered a latter-day prophet by the
Seventh
Day Adventists. She had multiple prophetic visions, often where she
was carried to the end of time. After one of her "visions" Ellen G.
White stated that the Sabbath is the "greatest" of the ten
commandments:
"The pope has changed the day of rest from the seventh to the first
day. He has thought to change the very commandment that was given to
cause man to remember his Creator. He has thought to change the
greatest commandment in the decalogue and thus make himself equal
with
God, or even exalt himself above God"
(Early Writings, p. 65).
I wonder why Ellen G. White contradicted the Lord Jesus who tells us
tells us something different about the "greatest" commandment:
"Teacher, which is the greatest commandment in the Law?" Jesus
replied: "Love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all
your
soul and with all your mind.' This is the first and greatest
commandment. And the second is like it: 'Love your neighbor as
yourself.' All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments
(Mt. 22:36-40).
When Jesus was asked what was the greatest commandment, it seems
like
THAT would have been the time for Him to say "Keeping the Sabbath is
the greatest commandment." But he didn't. Yet Ellen G. White has
made a different claim. I wonder why? Does the term "FALSE
PROPHET"
come to mind?
Only for an accuser of the brethren who is in ignorance or being
deceitful about what he is talking about here....
Ever heard about the Pharisees trying to trap Jesus, by asking him
about a woman with seven husbands and who she would be married to in
heaven?
Ever seen him answer "you err not knowing the scriptures"?
Don's question above was answered already, go here:
http://snipurl.com/c7ml
Something happened around June 27, 1850. This is what Ellen G.
White
had to say about it.
"Some of us have had time to get the truth and to advance step by
step, and every step we have taken has given us strength to take the
next. But now time is almost finished, and what we have been years
learning, they will have to learn in a few months. They will also
have
much to unlearn and much to learn again. Those who would not receive
the mark of the beast and his image when the decree goes forth, must
have now to say, Nay, we will not regard the institution of the
beast"
(Early Writings, p.67).
I think a few months has passed since she made this prophetic
statement in 1850.
And since she did NOT say this will happen in a few months, but
instead said in
reference to "they" who will be alive during the last days, that they
will have only a few months to learn what others, who had more time,
took years to learn, what is you beef??? Why go yank out of context
quotes off a hatesite instead of seeing this for yourself?
Rev 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make
war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.
The problem here is that you dragon seed are known by your words and
deeds, you only war with the prophesies of Jesus and the Commandments
of God, and those who know, live, teach these things and all truth
related to that.
Naturally you all hate Ellen White because her words are so simple and
plain
in regards to the truth in God's word. Problem is you're all the same.
You can't deal dirrectly with what is quoted or taught, instead you
all resort to personally attcking her. You all quote the same exact
altered, distorted, twisted or out of context quotes which you find in
every single Ellen White hatesite on the web. These arguments have
been answered and proven wrong time after time, but you all just take
turns, and keep coming back with the same ole thing. Like bad actors
in a kung fu movie.
In the future please stop wasting our time,do not expect me to answer
anything which is not in response to what I am actually posting from
her writings. If I am posting in error you should be able to prove it,
by addressing the subject.
As far as your personal attacks of Ellen White go; I suggest to avoid
redundancy and repetition, you first do a google search with your off
topic quotes from the hatesites, and see it addressed there if you
are interested in the truth. Or start a new thread to discuss this
with others if you like. They, unlike me, may be interested in your
uninformed opinions and judgments.
And when did they make this decree to receive the
mark of the beast??
It hasn't happened yet...
Looks like another false prophecy from Ellen G.
White. I guess that would make her a FALSE PROPHET!
How can this Jesuit know this before it occurs? Jesus said prophecy is
understood as it comes to pass -
Jhn 14:29 And now I have told you before it come to pass, that, when
it is come to pass, ye might believe.
What does the BIBLE say about Ellen G. White and other false
prophets??
"You may say to yourselves, 'How can we know when a message has not
been spoken by the LORD?' If what a prophet proclaims in the name
of
the LORD does not take place or come true, that is a message the
LORD
has not spoken. That prophet has spoken presumptuously. Do not be
afraid of him"
(Deut. 18:21,22).
Don is being a false accuser, and speaking presumptuously. Do not be
afraid of him.
He already told us "She had multiple prophetic visions, often where
she
was carried to the end of time" and he just asked me if the mark of
the beast had come yet, proving even he knows she was speaking of that
time.
When I read this passage above and compare it to Ellen G. White, it
becomes obvious that Ellen G. White was, indeed, a false prophet.
Jesuits claim many things are obvious. What do empty claims mean?
Do you know what Jesus said regarding false prophets?
YES, do you know what Jesus meant here:
Jhn 8:44 Ye are of [your] father the devil, and the lusts of your
father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not
in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a
lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.
Mat 23
29 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build
the tombs of the prophets, and garnish the sepulchres of the
righteous,
30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not
have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
31 Wherefore ye be witnesses unto yourselves, that ye are the children
of them which killed the prophets.
32 Fill ye up then the measure of your fathers.
33 [Ye] serpents, [ye] generation of vipers, how can ye escape the
damnation of hell?
34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto you prophets, and wise men, and
scribes: and [some] of them ye shall kill and crucify; and [some] of
them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute [them] from
city to city:
35 That upon you may come all the righteous blood shed upon the earth,
from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of
Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Compare that to Revelation 18
Here below, Despot Don just continues in the same vein, quoting
scriptures which are truth but misapplying them according to his false
accusations and interpretations:
Jesus told us to watch out for false prophets. Jesus called people
like Ellen G. White deceivers who have the appearance of a
Christian,
but are not.
"... and many false prophets will appear and deceive many people "
(Mt. 24:11).
"Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep's clothing,
but inwardly they are ferocious wolves "
(Mt. 7:15).
God spoke to Jeremiah, (who did pass the test) to watch out for
liars
like Ellen G. White:
"Then the LORD said to me, 'The prophets are prophesying lies in my
name. I have not sent them or appointed them or spoken to them. They
are prophesying to you false visions, divinations, idolatries and
the
delusions of their own minds'"
(Jer. 14:14).
Do you think keeping the Sabbath is the greatest commandment as
Ellen
G. White stated after one of her visions? Why would Ellen G. White
contradict Jesus?
Tell me, if her prophecies do not come to pass, wouldn't that make
her
a false prophet?
Cindy, why do you worship this false prophet named Ellen G. White?
Why do you falsely accuse me here?
I don't worship her, just as I do not worship any of God's prophets or
servants. I worship God only. God's people(Jesus' true Church) are
described here in Rev 12:17
"And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war
with ----the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God,
and have the testimony of Jesus Christ" and we know this truth:
"Worship God for the testimony of Jesus is the spirit of prophecy"
(Rev 19:10)
The true Church does not despise prophesy, they believe, teach and
live this:
1Th 5
15 See that none render evil for evil unto any [man]; but ever follow
that which is good, both among yourselves, and to all [men].
16 Rejoice evermore.
17 Pray without ceasing.
18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ
Jesus concerning you.
19 Quench not the Spirit.
20 Despise not prophesyings.
21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good.
Knowing: "The secret things belong unto the LORD our God: but those
things which are revealed belong unto us and to our children for ever,
that we may do all the words of this law." - Deu 29:29
Just wondering how honest you are.
Don has already repeatedly and without proof called me many things,
all unchristian, and yet claims he is now wondering if I am honest?
I am wondering, considering his tactics so far, what Don thinks about
dark ages Catholic on these newsgroups posting in defense of their
Church wiping out heretics?
http://snipurl.com/WOHeretics
~ Cindy
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| User: "alanm" |
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| Title: Re: American Liberty at it's roots |
22 Jan 2005 09:20:30 PM |
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"Cindy" <truth@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:05:48 -0500, "Cindy" <truth@nospam.com>
wrote:
- - The Pilgrim Fathers
...BIG SNIP of questionable material...
Why is it questionable? Because Don says it is???
Note:
First the man claimed repeatedly that I could not quote from Ellen
White because I was breaking copywrite law, even though his point was
moot from the first as the writings being quoted weren't even under
copywrite.
How is what I posted here about American liberty at it's roots, false?
Now the man refuses to even deal with that question which he raised
here himself, or even touch on the subject matter.
Ever heard about people who hate the message, but are unable to deal
with the truth, so attack the messenger in order to smother out the
message instead? The inquisitors of Rome did the same, murdering the
Saints and martyrs to silence them, as the antichrist is terrified at
the truth. Here we can see Don using these same tactics...
You're certainly well versed in these tactics Cindy. You use them yourself.
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| User: "Cindy" |
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| Title: Re: American Liberty at it's roots |
23 Jan 2005 06:23:22 AM |
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"alanm" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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"Cindy" <truth@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:05:48 -0500, "Cindy" <truth@nospam.com>
wrote:
- - The Pilgrim Fathers
...BIG SNIP of questionable material...
Why is it questionable? Because Don says it is???
Note:
First the man claimed repeatedly that I could not quote from Ellen
White because I was breaking copywrite law, even though his point
was
moot from the first as the writings being quoted weren't even
under
copywrite.
How is what I posted here about American liberty at it's roots,
false?
Now the man refuses to even deal with that question which he
raised
here himself, or even touch on the subject matter.
Ever heard about people who hate the message, but are unable to
deal
with the truth, so attack the messenger in order to smother out
the
message instead? The inquisitors of Rome did the same, murdering
the
Saints and martyrs to silence them, as the antichrist is terrified
at
the truth. Here we can see Don using these same tactics...
You're certainly well versed in these tactics Cindy. You use them
yourself.
Well if that is true, you certainly should have no problem providing
evidence for this. Kindly do so, as I have no idea what you are
referring to, or how to respond
to your empty accusation.
~ Cindy
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| User: "alanm" |
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| Title: Re: American Liberty at it's roots |
23 Jan 2005 07:06:43 AM |
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"Cindy" <cynthia@stopthespamlocalline.com> wrote in message
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"alanm" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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"Cindy" <truth@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:05:48 -0500, "Cindy" <truth@nospam.com>
wrote:
- - The Pilgrim Fathers
...BIG SNIP of questionable material...
Why is it questionable? Because Don says it is???
Note:
First the man claimed repeatedly that I could not quote from Ellen
White because I was breaking copywrite law, even though his point
was
moot from the first as the writings being quoted weren't even
under
copywrite.
How is what I posted here about American liberty at it's roots,
false?
Now the man refuses to even deal with that question which he
raised
here himself, or even touch on the subject matter.
Ever heard about people who hate the message, but are unable to
deal
with the truth, so attack the messenger in order to smother out
the
message instead? The inquisitors of Rome did the same, murdering
the
Saints and martyrs to silence them, as the antichrist is terrified
at
the truth. Here we can see Don using these same tactics...
You're certainly well versed in these tactics Cindy. You use them
yourself.
Well if that is true, you certainly should have no problem providing
evidence for this. Kindly do so, as I have no idea what you are
referring to, or how to respond
to your empty accusation.
This is a familiar tactic as well. Look no further than our last discussion.
.
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| User: "Cindy" |
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| Title: Re: American Liberty at it's roots |
23 Jan 2005 07:21:42 AM |
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"alanm" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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"alanm" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:05:48 -0500, "Cindy"
<truth@nospam.com>
wrote:
- - The Pilgrim Fathers
...BIG SNIP of questionable material...
Why is it questionable? Because Don says it is???
Note:
First the man claimed repeatedly that I could not quote from
Ellen
White because I was breaking copywrite law, even though his
point
was
moot from the first as the writings being quoted weren't even
under
copywrite.
How is what I posted here about American liberty at it's
roots,
false?
Now the man refuses to even deal with that question which he
raised
here himself, or even touch on the subject matter.
Ever heard about people who hate the message, but are unable
to
deal
with the truth, so attack the messenger in order to smother
out
the
message instead? The inquisitors of Rome did the same,
murdering
the
Saints and martyrs to silence them, as the antichrist is
terrified
at
the truth. Here we can see Don using these same tactics...
You're certainly well versed in these tactics Cindy. You use
them
yourself.
Well if that is true, you certainly should have no problem
providing
evidence for this. Kindly do so, as I have no idea what you are
referring to, or how to respond
to your empty accusation.
This is a familiar tactic as well. Look no further than our last
discussion.
Why be cryptic?
Provide the link and the evidence please, as I cannot understand how
even the readers are to understand what your point is.
Are you claiming I attempt to smother God's message by responding with
diversions, evasions, and personal attacks to the exclusion of the
subject matter or the points and questions, as I was referring to?
Because if so , that is very strange coming from you, who has
specialized for years here in replying mostly to a select few, with
only namecalls or one line insults or personal attacks. The majority
while deleting out the entire previous post, or the point of it. Need
proof?
All we have to do is look up your name, and click on the posts:
http://snipurl.com/c879
In any case if you must be so constantly obsessed with me, please
prove what you claim alanm.
~ Cindy
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| User: "alanm" |
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| Title: Re: American Liberty at it's roots |
23 Jan 2005 08:39:03 AM |
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"Cindy" <cynthia@stopthespamlocalline.com> wrote in message
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"alanm" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:05:48 -0500, "Cindy"
<truth@nospam.com>
wrote:
- - The Pilgrim Fathers
...BIG SNIP of questionable material...
Why is it questionable? Because Don says it is???
Note:
First the man claimed repeatedly that I could not quote from
Ellen
White because I was breaking copywrite law, even though his
point
was
moot from the first as the writings being quoted weren't even
under
copywrite.
How is what I posted here about American liberty at it's
roots,
false?
Now the man refuses to even deal with that question which he
raised
here himself, or even touch on the subject matter.
Ever heard about people who hate the message, but are unable
to
deal
with the truth, so attack the messenger in order to smother
out
the
message instead? The inquisitors of Rome did the same,
murdering
the
Saints and martyrs to silence them, as the antichrist is
terrified
at
the truth. Here we can see Don using these same tactics...
You're certainly well versed in these tactics Cindy. You use
them
yourself.
Well if that is true, you certainly should have no problem
providing
evidence for this. Kindly do so, as I have no idea what you are
referring to, or how to respond
to your empty accusation.
This is a familiar tactic as well. Look no further than our last
discussion.
Why be cryptic?
Provide the link and the evidence please, as I cannot understand how
even the readers are to understand what your point is.
It's also known as the previous discussion if that makes it any less cryptic
for you. Here's a URL.
http://snipurl.com/c886
.
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| User: "Cindy" |
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| Title: Re: American Liberty at it's roots |
23 Jan 2005 05:43:51 PM |
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"alanm" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:05:48 -0500, "Cindy"
<truth@nospam.com>
wrote:
- - The Pilgrim Fathers
...BIG SNIP of questionable material...
Why is it questionable? Because Don says it is???
Note:
First the man claimed repeatedly that I could not quote
from
Ellen
White because I was breaking copywrite law, even though
his
point
was
moot from the first as the writings being quoted weren't
even
under
copywrite.
How is what I posted here about American liberty at it's
roots,
false?
Now the man refuses to even deal with that question which
he
raised
here himself, or even touch on the subject matter.
Ever heard about people who hate the message, but are
unable
to
deal
with the truth, so attack the messenger in order to
smother
out
the
message instead? The inquisitors of Rome did the same,
murdering
the
Saints and martyrs to silence them, as the antichrist is
terrified
at
the truth. Here we can see Don using these same tactics...
You're certainly well versed in these tactics Cindy. You use
them
yourself.
Well if that is true, you certainly should have no problem
providing
evidence for this. Kindly do so, as I have no idea what you
are
referring to, or how to respond
to your empty accusation.
This is a familiar tactic as well. Look no further than our last
discussion.
Why be cryptic?
Provide the link and the evidence please, as I cannot understand
how
even the readers are to understand what your point is.
It's also known as the previous discussion if that makes it any less
cryptic
for you. Here's a URL.
http://snipurl.com/c886
And???????
This is why it's impossible to dialogue with the servants of the
antichrist.
Here's what I previously posted:
Why be cryptic?
Provide the link------> and the evidence please, as I cannot
understand how
even the readers are to understand what your point is.
Are you claiming I attempt to smother God's message by responding with
diversions, evasions, and personal attacks to the exclusion of the
subject matter or the points and questions, as I was referring to?
Because if so , that is very strange coming from you, who has
specialized for years here in replying mostly to a select few, with
only namecalls or one line insults or personal attacks. The majority
while deleting out the entire previous post, or the point of it. Need
proof?
All we have to do is look up your name, and click on the posts:
http://snipurl.com/c879
In any case if you must be so constantly obsessed with me, please
prove what you claim alanm.
~ Cindy
.
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| User: "alanm" |
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| Title: Re: American Liberty at it's roots |
24 Jan 2005 05:44:09 AM |
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"Cindy" <truth@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:05:48 -0500, "Cindy"
<truth@nospam.com>
wrote:
- - The Pilgrim Fathers
...BIG SNIP of questionable material...
Why is it questionable? Because Don says it is???
Note:
First the man claimed repeatedly that I could not quote
from
Ellen
White because I was breaking copywrite law, even though
his
point
was
moot from the first as the writings being quoted weren't
even
under
copywrite.
How is what I posted here about American liberty at it's
roots,
false?
Now the man refuses to even deal with that question which
he
raised
here himself, or even touch on the subject matter.
Ever heard about people who hate the message, but are
unable
to
deal
with the truth, so attack the messenger in order to
smother
out
the
message instead? The inquisitors of Rome did the same,
murdering
the
Saints and martyrs to silence them, as the antichrist is
terrified
at
the truth. Here we can see Don using these same tactics...
You're certainly well versed in these tactics Cindy. You use
them
yourself.
Well if that is true, you certainly should have no problem
providing
evidence for this. Kindly do so, as I have no idea what you
are
referring to, or how to respond
to your empty accusation.
This is a familiar tactic as well. Look no further than our last
discussion.
Why be cryptic?
Provide the link and the evidence please, as I cannot understand
how
even the readers are to understand what your point is.
It's also known as the previous discussion if that makes it any less
cryptic
for you. Here's a URL.
http://snipurl.com/c886
And???????
This is why it's impossible to dialogue with the servants of the
antichrist.
Here's what I previously posted:
Why be cryptic?
Provide the link------> and the evidence please, as I cannot
understand how
even the readers are to understand what your point is.
I'm not recreating the entire thread. The link is sufficient. The truth is
in the pudding (or the thread if that's too cryptic). Reasonable people will
see this. You won't because it doesn't suit your purpose.
.
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| User: "Cindy" |
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| Title: Re: American Liberty at it's roots |
24 Jan 2005 06:19:28 AM |
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"alanm" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:05:48 -0500, "Cindy"
<truth@nospam.com>
wrote:
- - The Pilgrim Fathers
...BIG SNIP of questionable material...
Why is it questionable? Because Don says it is???
Note:
First the man claimed repeatedly that I could not
quote
from
Ellen
White because I was breaking copywrite law, even
though
his
point
was
moot from the first as the writings being quoted
weren't
even
under
copywrite.
How is what I posted here about American liberty at
it's
roots,
false?
Now the man refuses to even deal with that question
which
he
raised
here himself, or even touch on the subject matter.
Ever heard about people who hate the message, but are
unable
to
deal
with the truth, so attack the messenger in order to
smother
out
the
message instead? The inquisitors of Rome did the same,
murdering
the
Saints and martyrs to silence them, as the antichrist
is
terrified
at
the truth. Here we can see Don using these same
tactics...
You're certainly well versed in these tactics Cindy. You
use
them
yourself.
Well if that is true, you certainly should have no problem
providing
evidence for this. Kindly do so, as I have no idea what
you
are
referring to, or how to respond
to your empty accusation.
This is a familiar tactic as well. Look no further than our
last
discussion.
Why be cryptic?
Provide the link and the evidence please, as I cannot
understand
how
even the readers are to understand what your point is.
It's also known as the previous discussion if that makes it any
less
cryptic
for you. Here's a URL.
http://snipurl.com/c886
And???????
This is why it's impossible to dialogue with the servants of the
antichrist.
Here's what I previously posted:
Why be cryptic?
Provide the link------> and the evidence please, as I cannot
understand how
even the readers are to understand what your point is.
I'm not recreating the entire thread. The link is sufficient. The
truth is
in the pudding (or the thread if that's too cryptic). Reasonable
people will
see this. You won't because it doesn't suit your purpose.
The reasonable people you refer to and speak for, are who?
I'm able to read the thread and the post.
As far as I am concerned, if you actually had a point you'd make it,
instead of wasting time here with more accusations and zero zip nada
zilch as far as explanations go, as usual.
adios.
~ Cindy
.
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| User: "alanm" |
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| Title: Re: American Liberty at it's roots |
24 Jan 2005 06:51:15 AM |
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"Cindy" <truth@nospam.com> wrote in message
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On Wed, 19 Jan 2005 11:05:48 -0500, "Cindy"
<truth@nospam.com>
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- - The Pilgrim Fathers
...BIG SNIP of questionable material...
Why is it questionable? Because Don says it is???
Note:
First the man claimed repeatedly that I could not
quote
from
Ellen
White because I was breaking copywrite law, even
though
his
point
was
moot from the first as the writings being quoted
weren't
even
under
copywrite.
How is what I posted here about American liberty at
it's
roots,
false?
Now the man refuses to even deal with that question
which
he
raised
here himself, or even touch on the subject matter.
Ever heard about people who hate the message, but are
unable
to
deal
with the truth, so attack the messenger in order to
smother
out
the
message instead? The inquisitors of Rome did the same,
murdering
the
Saints and martyrs to silence them, as the antichrist
is
terrified
at
the truth. Here we can see Don using these same
tactics...
You're certainly well versed in these tactics Cindy. You
use
them
yourself.
Well if that is true, you certainly should have no problem
providing
evidence for this. Kindly do so, as I have no idea what
you
are
referring to, or how to respond
to your empty accusation.
This is a familiar tactic as well. Look no further than our
last
discussion.
Why be cryptic?
Provide the link and the evidence please, as I cannot
understand
how
even the readers are to understand what your point is.
It's also known as the previous discussion if that makes it any
less
cryptic
for you. Here's a URL.
http://snipurl.com/c886
And???????
This is why it's impossible to dialogue with the servants of the
antichrist.
Here's what I previously posted:
Why be cryptic?
Provide the link------> and the evidence please, as I cannot
understand how
even the readers are to understand what your point is.
I'm not recreating the entire thread. The link is sufficient. The
truth is
in the pudding (or the thread if that's too cryptic). Reasonable
people will
see this. You won't because it doesn't suit your purpose.
The reasonable people you refer to and speak for, are who?
They would be the same readers who you "cannot understand how they would
understand what my point is". Bad luck again Cindy. Another failed tactic.
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| User: "Don calldonREMOVE IT @something.net" |
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23 Jan 2005 08:44:28 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 07:23:22 -0500, "Cindy"
<cynthia@stopthespamlocalline.com> wrote:
"alanm" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
You're certainly well versed in these tactics Cindy. You use them
yourself.
Cindy, puffing helium, responded:
I have no idea what you are referring to, or how to respond
to your empty accusation.
Gosh, Clueless Cindy...whenever anyone confronts you with reality,
your weak answer seems to always include the stock phrase, "empty
accusation." How convenient.
One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion,
because religion makes men (and women) virtuous.
So I am told; I have not noticed it.
-- Bertrand Russell
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23 Jan 2005 06:00:58 PM |
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"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 07:23:22 -0500, "Cindy"
<cynthia@stopthespamlocalline.com> wrote:
"alanm" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
You're certainly well versed in these tactics Cindy. You use them
yourself.
Cindy, puffing helium, responded:
I have no idea what you are referring to, or how to respond
to your empty accusation.
Gosh, Clueless Cindy...whenever anyone confronts you with reality,
your weak answer seems to always include the stock phrase, "empty
accusation." How convenient.
Especially when the evidence does not accompany the accusations.
For examply you have repeatedly falsely accused my Mother of breaking
copywrite law, and continue to. Your accusations are empty and false
because she was posting materiel that is on the public domain and not
under copywrite law.
For example, although I STILL believe that my quoting of newspaper
articles is fair use;I have resolved to only post a summary in my own
words and exerpts in future, and haven't even posted an article since
the one on Congress passing the doomsday law. I decided to do this to
avoid confusion and a big stink. Yet you keep jumping on me like a
trampoline and accusing me of continuing to post full length articles
anyway which is just another empty accusation...
I can't see where anything good comes out of your posts, or from
dialoguing with you, as you don't even respond to the topics, so you
are going to disappear from my screen now. Bye bye now...
~ Cindy
One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion,
because religion makes men (and women) virtuous.
So I am told; I have not noticed it.
-- Bertrand Russell
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| User: "alanm" |
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24 Jan 2005 05:48:21 AM |
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"Cindy" <truth@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 07:23:22 -0500, "Cindy"
<cynthia@stopthespamlocalline.com> wrote:
"alanm" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
You're certainly well versed in these tactics Cindy. You use them
yourself.
Cindy, puffing helium, responded:
I have no idea what you are referring to, or how to respond
to your empty accusation.
Gosh, Clueless Cindy...whenever anyone confronts you with reality,
your weak answer seems to always include the stock phrase, "empty
accusation." How convenient.
Yes Don. It's very convenient. Even when I post a link to the thread, Cindy
denies reality. Cindy claims to understand the extreme symbolism in
Revelations; yet when I use a term such as "last discussion" Cindy says it's
too cryptic. Go figure.
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| User: "Don calldonREMOVE IT @something.net" |
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24 Jan 2005 11:49:56 AM |
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On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 11:48:21 GMT, "alanm" <nospam@nospam.nospam>
wrote:
"Cindy" <truth@nospam.com> wrote in message
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"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 07:23:22 -0500, "Cindy"
<cynthia@stopthespamlocalline.com> wrote:
"alanm" <nospam@nospam.nospam> wrote in message
You're certainly well versed in these tactics Cindy. You use them
yourself.
Cindy, puffing helium, responded:
I have no idea what you are referring to, or how to respond
to your empty accusation.
Gosh, Clueless Cindy...whenever anyone confronts you with reality,
your weak answer seems to always include the stock phrase, "empty
accusation." How convenient.
Yes Don. It's very convenient. Even when I post a link to the thread, Cindy
denies reality. Cindy claims to understand the extreme symbolism in
Revelations; yet when I use a term such as "last discussion" Cindy says it's
too cryptic. Go figure.
It's easy when your entire version of Christianity is based upon the
irrational and capricious fantasies of the great false prophet, Ellen
G. White, as Cindy's is.
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| User: "Don calldonREMOVE IT @something.net" |
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23 Jan 2005 09:51:46 PM |
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 19:00:58 -0500, "Cindy" <truth@nospam.com> wrote:
For examply you have repeatedly falsely accused my Mother of breaking
copywrite law, and continue to. Your accusations are empty and false
because she was posting materiel that is on the public domain and not
under copywrite law.
She misled the estate of EGW, allowing them to think she was posting
excerpts of EGW's writings, rather than long articles. Eight
paragraphs is not an excerpt. Yet she never corrected their error in
thinking she was posting short excerpts.
For example, although I STILL believe that my quoting of newspaper
articles is fair use;
Posting an entire copyrighted article in defiance of the stated
copyright notice is not fair use.
I have resolved to only post a summary in my own
words and exerpts in future, and haven't even posted an article since
the one on Congress passing the doomsday law.
Good for you.
I decided to do this to avoid confusion and a big stink.
The writers in the audience were well aware of what you were doing,
since they are used to amateurs stealing their works and disregarding
posted copyright notices.
I can't see where anything good comes out of your posts, or from
dialoguing with you,
Obviously something good came out of it. You decided to do the right
thing, and for that, I am proud of you.
you are going to disappear from my screen now. Bye bye now...
<Smooch smooch>
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| User: "Don calldonREMOVE IT @something.net" |
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22 Jan 2005 12:47:30 PM |
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:28:51 -0500, "Cindy" <halftruth@nospam.com>
went on and on and on and on and finally appealed to the general
public when she attempted to come to a conclusion as she FINALLY
wrote:
Don has already repeatedly and without proof called me many things,
all unchristian, and yet claims he is now wondering if I am honest?
Oh...there was plenty of truth, mostly because:
1) You continue to post entire copyrighted articles, breaking federal
copyright laws.
2) You defend your own illegal actions as well as those of your
mother.
3) You reach for the "letter of the law" to justify your posting of
entire copyrighted articles while conveniently omitting the copyright
notices at the bottom of the article forbidding what you just did.
I am wondering, considering his tactics so far...
I am questioning your claims to be a Christian, considering what Jesus
said regarding those who continue in sin and those who justify the
sins of others, as I posted from Romans1.
what Don thinks about
dark ages Catholic on these newsgroups posting in defense of their
Church wiping out heretics?
How about wiping out those who claim the name of Christ yet who
continually sin and continually justify the sin of others?
Cindy, instead of defending your lawbreaking to me, why don't you
simply STOP breaking the law and START following Christ, thereby
improving your personal witness? Your sinful actions and your
defending of the sinful actions of others speak so loudly that I can't
hear anything else you say...your so-called "testimony" is moot.
I think Jesus used the term, "hypocrite."
One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion,
because religion makes men (and women) virtuous.
So I am told; I have not noticed it.
-- Bertrand Russell
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23 Jan 2005 06:55:13 AM |
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"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:28:51 -0500, "Cindy" <halftruth@nospam.com>
went on and on and on and on and finally appealed to the general
public when she attempted to come to a conclusion as she FINALLY
wrote:
Don has already repeatedly and without proof called me many things,
all unchristian, and yet claims he is now wondering if I am honest?
Oh...there was plenty of truth, mostly because:
1) You continue to post entire copyrighted articles, breaking
federal
copyright laws.
2) You defend your own illegal actions as well as those of your
mother.
3) You reach for the "letter of the law" to justify your posting of
entire copyrighted articles while conveniently omitting the
copyright
notices at the bottom of the article forbidding what you just did.
Something Despot Don can't get through his head:
"Fair use" concerns using copywrited material fairly.
He only provides his opinion of that, which means nothing...
Since I disagree with him he just keeps bringing it up as if
I must bow to him and his interpretation of law.
I am wondering, considering his tactics so far...
I am questioning your claims to be a Christian, considering what
Jesus
said regarding those who continue in sin and those who justify the
sins of others, as I posted from Romans1.
what Don thinks about
dark ages Catholic on these newsgroups posting in defense of their
Church wiping out heretics?
http://snipurl.com/WOHeretics
How about wiping out those who claim the name of Christ yet who
continually sin and continually justify the sin of others?
Jesuits always agree with them...
A true Christian reproves and rebukes sin, and even exposes it, with
proof and evidence, they do not make empty accusations, or go around
wiping out their neighbors.
Rom 12
17 Recompense to no man evil for evil. Provide things honest in the
sight of all men.
18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably with all
men.
19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give place unto
wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay, saith the
Lord.
Cindy, instead of defending your lawbreaking to me, why don't you
simply STOP breaking the law and START following Christ, thereby
improving your personal witness? Your sinful actions and your
defending of the sinful actions of others speak so loudly that I
can't
hear anything else you say...your so-called "testimony" is moot.
I think Jesus used the term, "hypocrite."
Accept this fact please, you cannot convict me of lawbreaking with
just the despotic proclamation of your opinion, and so you cannot
possibly be speaking for my Lord.
~ Cindy
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23 Jan 2005 08:40:48 AM |
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On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 07:55:13 -0500, "Cindy"
<cynthia@stopthespamlocalline.com> wrote:
"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
news:1d75v01o9n772ql01sc0jecuaehe76ih4u@4ax.com...
On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:28:51 -0500, "Cindy" <halftruth@nospam.com>
went on and on and on and on and finally appealed to the general
public when she attempted to come to a conclusion as she FINALLY
wrote:
Don has already repeatedly and without proof called me many things,
all unchristian, and yet claims he is now wondering if I am honest?
Oh...there was plenty of truth, mostly because:
1) You continue to post entire copyrighted articles, breaking
federal
copyright laws.
2) You defend your own illegal actions as well as those of your
mother.
3) You reach for the "letter of the law" to justify your posting of
entire copyrighted articles while conveniently omitting the
copyright
notices at the bottom of the article forbidding what you just did.
Something Despot Don can't get through his head:
"Fair use" concerns using copywrited material fairly.
Posting an ENTIRE copyrighted article from a newspaper or news-service
while omitting the copyright warning and not obtaining permission as
required by the copyright notice is not considered fair use.
Defending the continual breaking of laws, as you have done, is sin.
But you probably aren't interested in truth, only in accusing me so
that you can continue to skate on thin ice as you continue to break
the law and sin.
He only provides his opinion of that, which means nothing...
Since I disagree with him he just keeps bringing it up as if
I must bow to him and his interpretation of law.
If you only did it once or twice, it might be understandable. But you
do it repeatedly then defend your law-breaking actions. Perhaps if
you were a professional writer, you would have a different opinion of
that law. But since compassion and understanding are not in your
"Fruit Of The Spirit" list, I expect you to continue to act-out in
your selfish ways, stealing intellectual property and justifying it as
you do.
A true Christian reproves and rebukes sin, and even exposes it, with
proof and evidence, they do not make empty accusations, or go around
wiping out their neighbors.
So you admit you are a pretender! How very telling of you.
"What shall we say then? Are we to continue in sin so that grace may
increase? May it never be! How shall we who died to sin still live in
it?"
Romans6
Accept this fact please, you cannot convict me of lawbreaking with
just the despotic proclamation of your opinion, and so you cannot
possibly be speaking for my Lord.
"Devout religionists are frequently attracted to and
bound to their piety largely because it presumably offers them
holier-than-thouness and oneupmanship over non-religionists."
--Dr. Albert Ellis
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23 Jan 2005 06:17:01 AM |
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I have already told Don I will not bow down to his despot judgments, I
require evidence not personal opinions and hotair.
"Don" < calldonREMOVE IT @something.net> wrote in message
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On Sat, 22 Jan 2005 09:28:51 -0500, "Cindy" <halftruth@nospam.com>
went on and on and on and on and finally appealed to the general
public when she attempted to come to a conclusion as she FINALLY
wrote:
Don has already repeatedly and without proof called me many things,
all unchristian, and yet claims he is now wondering if I am honest?
Oh...there was plenty of truth, mostly because:
1) You continue to post entire copyrighted articles, breaking
federal
copyright laws.
2) You defend your own illegal actions as well as those of your
mother.
3) You reach for the "letter of the law" to justify your posting of
entire copyrighted articles while conveniently omitting the
copyright
notices at the bottom of the article forbidding what you just did.
I am wondering, considering his tactics so far...
I am questioning your claims to be a Christian, considering what
Jesus
said regarding those who continue in sin and those who justify the
sins of others, as I posted from Romans1.
what Don thinks about
dark ages Catholic on these newsgroups posting in defense of their
Church wiping out heretics?
How about wiping out those who claim the name of Christ yet who
continually sin and continually justify the sin of others?
Cindy, instead of defending your lawbreaking to me, why don't you
simply STOP breaking the law and START following Christ, thereby
improving your personal witness? Your sinful actions and your
defending of the sinful actions of others speak so loudly that I
can't
hear anything else you say...your so-called "testimony" is moot.
I think Jesus used the term, "hypocrite."
One is often told that it is a very wrong thing to attack religion,
because religion makes men (and women) virtuous.
So I am told; I have not noticed it.
-- Bertrand Russell
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