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"David Matthieu P.P." <johnrevelation7@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Rv:17:8: The beast that thou sawest WAS, and IS NOT; and shall ASCEND
OUT of the BOTTOMLESS PIT, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on
the earth SHALL WONDER, whose names were not written in the book of life
from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that WAS,
and IS NOT, and YET IS."

Mystery!
What time-line do you feel the Angel of the Lord was refering to when He
said the Beast "IS NOT"?
The 1000 years following the flood?
Starting at the Reseruction of Christ, 32a.d.-1032a.d.?
Or, at the return of Christ for His 1000 year reign?
Evil has at no time been absent for 1000 years, so i expect this to be at
the Second Coming...and when that happens, we will know for sure.

-Sorb-

We have heard a lot explanations from diverse Christian Ministries
concerning the 1000 Years Reign of Christ. It is necessary to establish if
any of these interpretations truly reflect what the Holy Spirit revealed to
the Churches through the Scriptures.

When we specifically read the main verses of the Book of Revelation
that refer to the 1000 years reign of Christ, Saint John clearly indicates
this is only related to the Martyrs who were beheaded for the witness of
Jesus and for the word of God.

Rv:20:4 to 6:And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was
given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the
witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the
beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their
foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a
thousand years. But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand
years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Blessed and holy is he
that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no
power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with
him a thousand years.

"...be thou FAITHFUL UNTO DEATH, and I will give thee a crown of life. He
that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches; He
that overcometh shall not be hurt of the second death."

The vision of Saint John is clear, he saw the Souls of the Martyrs in Christ
come to life to reign a thousand years with the Lord. This prophetic Vision
also explains how these faithful witnesses of Christ overcame to have part
in the first resurrection and to receive the Crown of Life:

Rv:12: 10 to 12: And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come
salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his
Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them
before our God day and night. And they overcame him by the blood of the
Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and THEY LOVED NOT THEIR
LIVES UNTO THE DEATH.Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in
them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is
come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but
a short time.

These are important details of the Revelation, the Martyrs who reigned with
Christ did not receive the mark of the Beast and did not worship the Beast.

On the contrary these Priests of God who reigned with Christ, overcame the
Devil with the Blood of the Lamb and by the world of their testimony. They
overcome the Beast and reigned with Christ, they were faithful, they did not
love "their lives unto the death" and they suffered the ultimate sacrifice
of Martyrdom. When we will finally receive the full understanding and the
Revelation of what it really means to reign with Christ, the words of the
Apostles will bring strength and power to our own testimony in the
proclamation of the Kingdom of God and the Salvation of Christ. "He that
hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches".

2Tm:2: 11 to 13: It is a faithful saying: FOR IF WE BE DEAD WITH HIM, WE
SHALL ALSO LIVE WITH HIM: IF WE SUFFER , WE SHALL ALSO REIGN WITH HIM: if we
deny him, he also will deny us: If we believe not, yet he abideth faithful:
he cannot deny himself.

Rv:1:5: And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness,
and the first begotten of the dead, and THE PRINCE OF THE
KINGS OF THE EARTH. Unto him that loved us, and washed us
from our sins in his own blood,
:6: And HATH MADE US KINGS AND PRIESTS unto God and his Father;
to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen

Rv:5:10: And HAST MADE US UNTO OUR GOD KINGS AND PRIESTS: AND WE SHALL REIGN
ON THE EARTH.

It is not a matter of how I feel about this, the scriptures clearly
associate the 1000 years of Christ with the Martyrdom of the Early Church
Saints. Plus nowhere in the book of Revelation it is written that during a
1000 years evil would be absent from the earth. With great attention you
need consider, it is only written in the scriptures that for a 1000 years
the devil would not deceive the nations. The Holy Spirit of God at work in
the Early Church was the restrainer over the power of deception.

2Thes:2:7 "only there is one that restraineth now, until he be taken out of
the way".

Rv:20:7: And when the thousand years are expired, SATAN SHALL BE LOOSED
OUT of his prison,
8: And SHALL GO OUT TO DECEIVE THE NATIONS which are in the four
quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle:
the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

"Pangur Ban" <Pangur-Ban@SatisHouse.org> wrote in message
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|
| Excuse the top post - but Steven King is a better
| writer (Dean K. also) and creates better and more
| believable monsters.
|
| Pangur - BS, MA, PhD, EP, OC
|
|


I liked the mini-series "THE STAND" by Stephen King,
especially that part that looked like the hand of God coming
down grabbing that nuclear missle and squeezing it... and
oh, let's not forget granny! ;-)

CRH

Pangur Ban wrote:

Excuse the top post - but Steven King is a better writer (Dean K. also)
and creates better and more believable monsters.

Zero
____________________

Pangur - BS, MA, PhD, EP, OC

it this five degrees below Zero?

David Matthieu P.P. wrote:

Rv:13: 1: And I stood upon the sand of the sea, and saw a BEAST rise up
out of the sea, having SEVEN HEADS and TEN HORNS, and upon his horns ten
crowns, and upon his heads the NAME OF BLASPHEMY.

Rv:17:3: So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I
saw a woman sit upon a SCARLET COLOURED BEAST, full of names of
blasphemy, having SEVEN HEADS and TEN HORNS.

From what we all just read, we know that the Beast is Red and has Seven
Heads and Ten Horns. Guess what, the Great Dragon is Red and also has
Seven Heads and Ten Horns!

Rv:12:3: And there appeared another wonder IN HEAVEN; and behold a great
RED dragon, having SEVEN HEADS and TEN HORNS, and seven crowns upon his
heads.

Rv:12: 9: And the GREAT DRAGON was cast out, that OLD SERPENT, called
the DEVIL, and SATAN, which DECEIVETH THE WHOLE WORLD: he was cast out
into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.

Revelation 12:9 clearly shows that the Dragon is Satan, yet some
readers may still doubt that in fact the Character depicted as
the first Beast by Saint John is actually the Dragon. Anyway for
the sceptics there are still couple other verses that can help
them clearly Identify who is the first Beast of Revelation.

This also shows that that beast of Rev 13 is powered by satan,
just more proof that way I see it.

Rv:20:1: And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of THE
BOTTOMLESS PIT and a great chain in his hand.
2: And he laid hold on the DRAGON, that OLD SERPENT, which is the DEVIL,
and SATAN, and bound him a thousand years,
3: And CAST HIM INTO THE BOTTOMLESS PIT, and shut him up, and set a seal
upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand
years should be fulfilled: and after that HE MUST BE LOOSED a little
season.

Do we have any idea in History when this may have been fulfilled?

You remember in Rev 13:1, the first verse you read right at the top
of this post, Saint John saw a beast rising up. It is also revealed
by other verses of the book of Revelation that the beast shall ascend
out of the Bottomless Pit:

Rv:20:7: And when the thousand years are expired, SATAN SHALL BE LOOSED
OUT of his prison,

WE know Satan is free and roaming around the World today;
But we do not have any indications, yet of his being imprisoned in the
bottomless
pit yet.
I like to have dates for the timelines if possible.

8: And SHALL GO OUT TO DECEIVE the nations which are in the four
quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle:
the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.

When I says 'Sand of the sea, this usually means it is an ongoing prophecy
that the people
are not even number able but will be like a flood of people in wave after
wave bent on
destruction of their quarry, namely those remnants of the Lady that gave
birth to the
Boy.

Rv:17:8: The beast that thou sawest WAS, and IS NOT; and shall ASCEND
OUT of the BOTTOMLESS PIT, and go into perdition: and they that dwell on
the earth SHALL WONDER, whose names were not written in the book of life
from the foundation of the world, when they behold the beast that WAS,
and IS NOT, and YET IS.

In one of the above verses, specifically in Rv 20:3 you have read that
the Dragon, the old serpent, which is the Devil and Satan, was cast into
the Bottomless Pit. In the verse Rev 17:8 pasted just above this
paragraph, you read that the "Beast" shall ascend out of the Bottomless
Pit. It is logical that the only Beast that can actually ascend out of
the Bottomless Pit is the Dragon who is Satan and who in the
first place was cast in there.

We know that had to have happened some time after Christ's assention but
can we put
a date of some kind on the event of when Jesus did in fact lock him in the
bottomless pit?
And when he came out of that pit to do his deceiving again is there a
possible prophetic
fulfillment of that, that we may put a date on either one of them?

I do know what the beast is that received the deadly wound and when, and
when the wound
was healed in History.

This message is written so you do not wonder at the False Signs
of the Woman of Apostasy sitting on the Red Beast. The False anointed
ones and False Prophets are showing great Wonders, do not be deceived
and do not follow them into the worship of unclean spirits.

MANY tens of thousands still are followers of that beast even today.

Rv:9:11: And they had a king over them, which is the ANGEL OF THE
BOTTOMLESS PIT, whose name in the Hebrew tongue is Abaddon, but in the
Greek tongue hath his name Apollyon.

I think you should continue and see if you can put some dates to the times
mentioned
in Revelation 11, 12, and 13,

WE know this date today is approximately 1900 years after the book of
revelation was written
so we can rest assured much of these prophesies have been fulfilled and
can well be placed
in the timelines of History.
I think it would be fun if we had that timeline and see what has and what
has not yet
been fulfilled as far as Holy Bible Prophesies is concerned.

Misty,