Religions > Bible > Anti-Gay-Rights Bigots LYINGLY Misrepresent Polls, to Serve their Hateful Agenda
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"Craig Chilton" |
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10 Jan 2004 09:42:11 AM |
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Anti-Gay-Rights Bigots LYINGLY Misrepresent Polls, to Serve their Hateful Agenda |
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:25:28 -0500,
"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.org>
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Work Work Work" <WWW@aol.com> wrote:
Thank god NORMAL people are standing up and saying No
to the homosexual agenda.
(1) There is no such thing as a "homosexual agenda."
Except in the warped MINDS (what there is to them) of
hateful and profoundly-ignorant bigots like you.
(2) Homosexuals are doing nothing more but fighting for the
very same across-the-board EQUALITY that blacks (with
the assistance of *their* non-black **allies**) deserved
and won, 40 years ago.
(3) God's name is capitalized. You obviously think very little
of him, hypocrite.
(4) The only people who are opposing same-sex marriage
and other equal rights for gays are FAR from normal.
Bigotry and hate are the opposite of normal. They are
TRUE perversities and deviancies.
(5) SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded people, both gay and
straight, are standing up and saying YES to helping
America become a Bigotry-Free Zone.
(6) Polls cannot reverse a judicial order.
A note of interest... It seems those religionists who want to
suppress equal rights for gays have to lie, cheat and steal to try
and get their way:
Conservative Group Admits Twisting Gay Marriage Poll
by Michael J. Meade
365Gay.com Newscenter
Boston Bureau
Posted: January 9, 2004 8:03 p.m. ET
(Boston, Massachusetts) The leader of a conservative group fighting
same-sex marriage in Massachusetts Friday admitted misrepresenting
the findings of a statewide poll to support his cause.
At a protest Wednesday at the legislature (story) Ron Crews of the
Massachusetts Family Institute cited a Zogby poll that indicated 69
percent of respondents wanted a chance to vote on amending the state
constitution to ban gay marriage.
Crews also pointed out that the poll showed showed 52 percent said
that "only marriage between one man and one woman should be legal,"
with 42 percent disagreeing.
But, what he did not tell the crowd, nor specify in media releases,
was that a slight majority opposed the constitutional amendment
(49-48 percent).
Nor did he mention that 48 percent do did not want lawmakers to
prevent marriage licenses from being issued to same-sex couples in
May, when the Supreme Judicial Court decision legalizing gay
marriage takes effect. 46 percent said the Legislature should stop
gays from marrying.
The Zogby poll was taken for the Crews group, and the Massachu-
setts Family Institute did not release the full poll. Zogby released the
information when it became concerned MFI was not portraying the full
picture.
Pollster John Zogby said it is standard practice for advocacy groups
to issue entire polls for public examination. "All of the questions
are important," said Zogby.
In a press release issued Friday, Crews said that polls are
"proprietary, important and relevant to those who commissioned the
poll" and that the portions released were those most relevant to the
issue before the Legislature.
He also criticized Zogby for making the full poll results public.
Crews said his group is in legal discussions with Zogby Inter-
national about what he called the "unauthorized disclosure" of
information in the poll.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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| Title: Anti-Gay-Rights Bigots LYINGLY Misrepresent Polls, to Serve their Hateful Agenda |
14 Jan 2004 09:29:50 PM |
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On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:25:28 -0500,
"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.org>
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Work Work Work" <WWW@aol.com> wrote:
Thank god NORMAL people are standing up and saying No
to the homosexual agenda.
(1) There is no such thing as a "homosexual agenda."
Except in the warped MINDS (what there is to them) of
hateful and profoundly-ignorant bigots like you.
(2) Homosexuals are doing nothing more but fighting for the
very same across-the-board EQUALITY that blacks (with
the assistance of *their* non-black **allies**) deserved
and won, 40 years ago.
(3) God's name is capitalized. You obviously think very little
of Him, hypocrite.
(4) The only people who are opposing same-sex marriage
and other equal rights for gays are FAR from normal.
Bigotry and hate are the opposite of normal. They are
TRUE perversities and deviancies.
(5) SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded people, both gay and
straight, are standing up and saying YES to helping
America become a Bigotry-Free Zone.
(6) Polls cannot reverse a judicial order.
A note of interest... It seems those religionists who want to
suppress equal rights for gays have to lie, cheat and steal to try
and get their way:
Conservative Group Admits Twisting Gay Marriage Poll
by Michael J. Meade
365Gay.com Newscenter
Boston Bureau
Posted: January 9, 2004 8:03 p.m. ET
(Boston, Massachusetts) The leader of a conservative group fighting
same-sex marriage in Massachusetts Friday admitted misrepresenting
the findings of a statewide poll to support his cause.
At a protest Wednesday at the legislature (story) Ron Crews of the
Massachusetts Family Institute cited a Zogby poll that indicated 69
percent of respondents wanted a chance to vote on amending the state
constitution to ban gay marriage.
Crews also pointed out that the poll showed showed 52 percent said
that "only marriage between one man and one woman should be legal,"
with 42 percent disagreeing.
But, what he did not tell the crowd, nor specify in media releases,
was that a slight majority opposed the constitutional amendment
(49-48 percent).
Nor did he mention that 48 percent do did not want lawmakers to
prevent marriage licenses from being issued to same-sex couples in
May, when the Supreme Judicial Court decision legalizing gay
marriage takes effect. 46 percent said the Legislature should stop
gays from marrying.
The Zogby poll was taken for the Crews group, and the Massachu-
setts Family Institute did not release the full poll. Zogby released the
information when it became concerned MFI was not portraying the full
picture.
Pollster John Zogby said it is standard practice for advocacy groups
to issue entire polls for public examination. "All of the questions
are important," said Zogby.
In a press release issued Friday, Crews said that polls are
"proprietary, important and relevant to those who commissioned the
poll" and that the portions released were those most relevant to the
issue before the Legislature.
He also criticized Zogby for making the full poll results public.
Crews said his group is in legal discussions with Zogby Inter-
national about what he called the "unauthorized disclosure" of
information in the poll.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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| Title: Re: Anti-Gay-Rights Bigots LYINGLY Misrepresent Polls, to Serve their Hateful Agenda |
18 Jan 2004 10:18:15 AM |
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(Craig Chilton) wrote in message news:<4006079a.410850@netnews.mchsi.com>...
On Sat, 10 Jan 2004 10:25:28 -0500,
"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.org>
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
"Work Work Work" <WWW@aol.com> wrote:
Thank god NORMAL people are standing up and saying No
to the homosexual agenda.
(1) There is no such thing as a "homosexual agenda."
Except in the warped MINDS (what there is to them) of
hateful and profoundly-ignorant bigots like you.
(2) Homosexuals are doing nothing more but fighting for the
very same across-the-board EQUALITY that blacks (with
the assistance of *their* non-black **allies**) deserved
and won, 40 years ago.
(3) God's name is capitalized. You obviously think very little
of Him, hypocrite.
(4) The only people who are opposing same-sex marriage
and other equal rights for gays are FAR from normal.
Bigotry and hate are the opposite of normal. They are
TRUE perversities and deviancies.
(5) SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded people, both gay and
straight, are standing up and saying YES to helping
America become a Bigotry-Free Zone.
(6) Polls cannot reverse a judicial order.
A note of interest... It seems those religionists who want to
suppress equal rights for gays have to lie, cheat and steal to try
and get their way:
Conservative Group Admits Twisting Gay Marriage Poll
by Michael J. Meade
365Gay.com Newscenter
Boston Bureau
Posted: January 9, 2004 8:03 p.m. ET
(Boston, Massachusetts) The leader of a conservative group fighting
same-sex marriage in Massachusetts Friday admitted misrepresenting
the findings of a statewide poll to support his cause.
At a protest Wednesday at the legislature (story) Ron Crews of the
Massachusetts Family Institute cited a Zogby poll that indicated 69
percent of respondents wanted a chance to vote on amending the state
constitution to ban gay marriage.
Crews also pointed out that the poll showed showed 52 percent said
that "only marriage between one man and one woman should be legal,"
with 42 percent disagreeing.
But, what he did not tell the crowd, nor specify in media releases,
was that a slight majority opposed the constitutional amendment
(49-48 percent).
Nor did he mention that 48 percent do did not want lawmakers to
prevent marriage licenses from being issued to same-sex couples in
May, when the Supreme Judicial Court decision legalizing gay
marriage takes effect. 46 percent said the Legislature should stop
gays from marrying.
The Zogby poll was taken for the Crews group, and the Massachu-
setts Family Institute did not release the full poll. Zogby released the
information when it became concerned MFI was not portraying the full
picture.
Pollster John Zogby said it is standard practice for advocacy groups
to issue entire polls for public examination. "All of the questions
are important," said Zogby.
In a press release issued Friday, Crews said that polls are
"proprietary, important and relevant to those who commissioned the
poll" and that the portions released were those most relevant to the
issue before the Legislature.
He also criticized Zogby for making the full poll results public.
Crews said his group is in legal discussions with Zogby Inter-
national about what he called the "unauthorized disclosure" of
information in the poll.
In 1940, 54 percent of Americans said we should "forbid"
anti-democracy speeches while 75 percent said we should "not allow"
them.
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| Title: Re: Anti-Gay-Rights Bigots LYINGLY Misrepresent Polls, to Serve their Hateful Agenda |
18 Jan 2004 11:30:25 AM |
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On 18 Jan 2004 08:18:15 -0800,
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.org>
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Work Work Work" <WWW@aol.com> wrote:
Thank god NORMAL people are standing up and saying No
to the homosexual agenda.
(1) There is no such thing as a "homosexual agenda."
Except in the warped MINDS (what there is to them) of
hateful and profoundly-ignorant bigots like you.
(2) Homosexuals are doing nothing more but fighting for the
very same across-the-board EQUALITY that blacks (with
the assistance of *their* non-black **allies**) deserved
and won, 40 years ago.
(3) God's name is capitalized. You obviously think very little
of Him, hypocrite.
(4) The only people who are opposing same-sex marriage
and other equal rights for gays are FAR from normal.
Bigotry and hate are the opposite of normal. They are
TRUE perversities and deviancies.
(5) SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded people, both gay and
straight, are standing up and saying YES to helping
America become a Bigotry-Free Zone.
(6) Polls cannot reverse a judicial order.
A note of interest... It seems those religionists who want to
suppress equal rights for gays have to lie, cheat and steal to try
and get their way:
Conservative Group Admits Twisting Gay Marriage Poll
by Michael J. Meade
365Gay.com Newscenter
Boston Bureau
Posted: January 9, 2004 8:03 p.m. ET
(Boston, Massachusetts) The leader of a conservative group fighting
same-sex marriage in Massachusetts Friday admitted misrepresenting
the findings of a statewide poll to support his cause.
At a protest Wednesday at the legislature (story) Ron Crews of the
Massachusetts Family Institute cited a Zogby poll that indicated 69
percent of respondents wanted a chance to vote on amending the state
constitution to ban gay marriage.
Crews also pointed out that the poll showed showed 52 percent said
that "only marriage between one man and one woman should be legal,"
with 42 percent disagreeing.
But, what he did not tell the crowd, nor specify in media releases,
was that a slight majority opposed the constitutional amendment
(49-48 percent).
Nor did he mention that 48 percent do did not want lawmakers to
prevent marriage licenses from being issued to same-sex couples in
May, when the Supreme Judicial Court decision legalizing gay
marriage takes effect. 46 percent said the Legislature should stop
gays from marrying.
The Zogby poll was taken for the Crews group, and the Massachu-
setts Family Institute did not release the full poll. Zogby released the
information when it became concerned MFI was not portraying the full
picture.
Pollster John Zogby said it is standard practice for advocacy groups
to issue entire polls for public examination. "All of the questions
are important," said Zogby.
In a press release issued Friday, Crews said that polls are
"proprietary, important and relevant to those who commissioned the
poll" and that the portions released were those most relevant to the
issue before the Legislature.
He also criticized Zogby for making the full poll results public.
Crews said his group is in legal discussions with Zogby Inter-
national about what he called the "unauthorized disclosure" of
information in the poll.
In 1940, 54 percent of Americans said we should "forbid"
anti-democracy speeches while 75 percent said we should "not
allow" them.
Wording is everything in polls, and the most scrupulous and careful
pollsters bend over backward to make them as clear as possible.
Obviously in the one to which you refer, two different questions were
asked, and the results compared. Which is a good thing to do... and it
sometimes produces such strange surprises.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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| Title: Re: Anti-Gay-Rights Bigots LYINGLY Misrepresent Polls, to Serve their Hateful Agenda |
18 Jan 2004 08:26:45 PM |
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(Craig Chilton) wrote in message news:<400ac0c5.3691548@netnews.mchsi.com>...
On 18 Jan 2004 08:18:15 -0800,
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.org>
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
"Work Work Work" <WWW@aol.com> wrote:
Thank god NORMAL people are standing up and saying No
to the homosexual agenda.
(1) There is no such thing as a "homosexual agenda."
Except in the warped MINDS (what there is to them) of
hateful and profoundly-ignorant bigots like you.
(2) Homosexuals are doing nothing more but fighting for the
very same across-the-board EQUALITY that blacks (with
the assistance of *their* non-black **allies**) deserved
and won, 40 years ago.
(3) God's name is capitalized. You obviously think very little
of Him, hypocrite.
(4) The only people who are opposing same-sex marriage
and other equal rights for gays are FAR from normal.
Bigotry and hate are the opposite of normal. They are
TRUE perversities and deviancies.
(5) SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded people, both gay and
straight, are standing up and saying YES to helping
America become a Bigotry-Free Zone.
(6) Polls cannot reverse a judicial order.
A note of interest... It seems those religionists who want to
suppress equal rights for gays have to lie, cheat and steal to try
and get their way:
Conservative Group Admits Twisting Gay Marriage Poll
by Michael J. Meade
365Gay.com Newscenter
Boston Bureau
Posted: January 9, 2004 8:03 p.m. ET
(Boston, Massachusetts) The leader of a conservative group fighting
same-sex marriage in Massachusetts Friday admitted misrepresenting
the findings of a statewide poll to support his cause.
At a protest Wednesday at the legislature (story) Ron Crews of the
Massachusetts Family Institute cited a Zogby poll that indicated 69
percent of respondents wanted a chance to vote on amending the state
constitution to ban gay marriage.
Crews also pointed out that the poll showed showed 52 percent said
that "only marriage between one man and one woman should be legal,"
with 42 percent disagreeing.
But, what he did not tell the crowd, nor specify in media releases,
was that a slight majority opposed the constitutional amendment
(49-48 percent).
Nor did he mention that 48 percent do did not want lawmakers to
prevent marriage licenses from being issued to same-sex couples in
May, when the Supreme Judicial Court decision legalizing gay
marriage takes effect. 46 percent said the Legislature should stop
gays from marrying.
The Zogby poll was taken for the Crews group, and the Massachu-
setts Family Institute did not release the full poll. Zogby released the
information when it became concerned MFI was not portraying the full
picture.
Pollster John Zogby said it is standard practice for advocacy groups
to issue entire polls for public examination. "All of the questions
are important," said Zogby.
In a press release issued Friday, Crews said that polls are
"proprietary, important and relevant to those who commissioned the
poll" and that the portions released were those most relevant to the
issue before the Legislature.
He also criticized Zogby for making the full poll results public.
Crews said his group is in legal discussions with Zogby Inter-
national about what he called the "unauthorized disclosure" of
information in the poll.
In 1940, 54 percent of Americans said we should "forbid"
anti-democracy speeches while 75 percent said we should "not
allow" them.
Wording is everything in polls, and the most scrupulous and careful
pollsters bend over backward to make them as clear as possible.
Pollsters word their questions to get the answers they are after.
Obviously in the one to which you refer, two different questions were
asked, and the results compared. Which is a good thing to do... and it
sometimes produces such strange surprises.
Actually, the questions weren't asked in order to gather information
about whether or not Americans are in favor of free speech when the
speech is anti-American.
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| User: "Rev. Don Spitz" |
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| Title: Re: Anti-Gay-Rights Bigots LYINGLY Misrepresent Polls, to Serve their Hateful Agenda |
18 Jan 2004 10:06:41 PM |
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Thank god NORMAL people are standing up and saying No
to the homosexual agenda.
(1) There is no such thing as a "homosexual agenda."
Except in the warped MINDS (what there is to them) of
hateful and profoundly-ignorant bigots like you.
(2) Homosexuals are doing nothing more but fighting for the
very same across-the-board EQUALITY that blacks (with
the assistance of *their* non-black **allies**) deserved
and won, 40 years ago.
(3) God's name is capitalized. You obviously think very
little
of Him, hypocrite.
(4) The only people who are opposing same-sex marriage
and other equal rights for gays are FAR from normal.
Bigotry and hate are the opposite of normal. They are
TRUE perversities and deviancies.
(5) SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded people, both gay and
straight, are standing up and saying YES to helping
America become a Bigotry-Free Zone.
(6) Polls cannot reverse a judicial order.
A note of interest... It seems those religionists who want to
suppress equal rights for gays have to lie, cheat and steal to try
and get their way:
Conservative Group Admits Twisting Gay Marriage Poll
by Michael J. Meade
365Gay.com Newscenter
Boston Bureau
Posted: January 9, 2004 8:03 p.m. ET
(Boston, Massachusetts) The leader of a conservative group
fighting
same-sex marriage in Massachusetts Friday admitted misrepresenting
the findings of a statewide poll to support his cause.
At a protest Wednesday at the legislature (story) Ron Crews of
the
Massachusetts Family Institute cited a Zogby poll that indicated 69
percent of respondents wanted a chance to vote on amending the state
constitution to ban gay marriage.
Crews also pointed out that the poll showed showed 52 percent
said
that "only marriage between one man and one woman should be legal,"
with 42 percent disagreeing.
But, what he did not tell the crowd, nor specify in media
releases,
was that a slight majority opposed the constitutional amendment
(49-48 percent).
Nor did he mention that 48 percent do did not want lawmakers to
prevent marriage licenses from being issued to same-sex couples in
May, when the Supreme Judicial Court decision legalizing gay
marriage takes effect. 46 percent said the Legislature should stop
gays from marrying.
The Zogby poll was taken for the Crews group, and the Massachu-
setts Family Institute did not release the full poll. Zogby released
the
information when it became concerned MFI was not portraying the full
picture.
Pollster John Zogby said it is standard practice for advocacy
groups
to issue entire polls for public examination. "All of the questions
are important," said Zogby.
In a press release issued Friday, Crews said that polls are
"proprietary, important and relevant to those who commissioned the
poll" and that the portions released were those most relevant to the
issue before the Legislature.
He also criticized Zogby for making the full poll results
public.
Crews said his group is in legal discussions with Zogby Inter-
national about what he called the "unauthorized disclosure" of
information in the poll.
In 1940, 54 percent of Americans said we should "forbid"
anti-democracy speeches while 75 percent said we should "not
allow" them.
Wording is everything in polls, and the most scrupulous and careful
pollsters bend over backward to make them as clear as possible.
Pollsters word their questions to get the answers they are after.
Obviously in the one to which you refer, two different questions were
asked, and the results compared. Which is a good thing to do... and it
sometimes produces such strange surprises.
Actually, the questions weren't asked in order to gather information
about whether or not Americans are in favor of free speech when the
speech is anti-American.
I now know why God wrote
Leviticus 20:13 If a man also lie with mankind, as he lieth with a woman,
both of them have committed an abomination: they shall
surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Romans 1:26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even
their women did change the natural use into that which is
against nature:
:27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned
in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is
unseemly, and receiving in themselves that
recompence of their error which was meet.
--
SAY THIS PRAYER: Dear Jesus, I know I am a sinner.
I believe you died on the cross to take away my
sins. Jesus, I ask you now to come into my heart
and be my Lord and my Savior, and take away my sins.
http://www.ArmyofGod.com
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| Title: Re: Anti-Gay-Rights Bigots LYINGLY Misrepresent Polls, to Serve their Hateful Agenda |
19 Jan 2004 12:07:23 PM |
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"Rev. Don Spitz" <Glory2Jesus@ArmyofGod.com> wrote in message
news:GJIOb.151$Se.132@lakeread05...
Nothing important, blah, blah, blah, who the ***** cares about your pixie on
stick?
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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19 Jan 2004 12:19:44 PM |
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On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:07:23 GMT,
"Light Templar" wrote:
IRrev. Don Spitz [<Glory2Satan@Army-of-Demons.com>] wrote...
...Nothing important, blah, blah, blah, who the ***** cares about
your pixie on stick?
Spitzie is *quite* the LOON. I wonder if he's doing his posting
from a cackle factory somewhere. (?)
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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| Title: Re: Anti-Gay-Rights Bigots LYINGLY Misrepresent Polls, to Serve their Hateful Agenda |
19 Jan 2004 12:40:45 PM |
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"Craig Chilton" <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote in message
news:400c1e39.69578612@netnews.mchsi.com...
On Mon, 19 Jan 2004 18:07:23 GMT,
"Light Templar" wrote:
IRrev. Don Spitz [<Glory2Satan@Army-of-Demons.com>] wrote...
...Nothing important, blah, blah, blah, who the ***** cares about
your pixie on stick?
Spitzie is *quite* the LOON. I wonder if he's doing his posting
from a cackle factory somewhere. (?)
It wouldn't suprise me at all.
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| Title: Re: Anti-Gay-Rights Bigots LYINGLY Misrepresent Polls, to Serve their Hateful Agenda |
18 Jan 2004 08:36:18 PM |
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On 18 Jan 2004 18:26:45 -0800,
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.org>
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Work Work Work" <WWW@aol.com> wrote:
Thank god NORMAL people are standing up and saying No
to the homosexual agenda.
(1) There is no such thing as a "homosexual agenda."
Except in the warped MINDS (what there is to them) of
hateful and profoundly-ignorant bigots like you.
(2) Homosexuals are doing nothing more but fighting for the
very same across-the-board EQUALITY that blacks (with
the assistance of *their* non-black **allies**) deserved
and won, 40 years ago.
(3) God's name is capitalized. You obviously think very little
of Him, hypocrite.
(4) The only people who are opposing same-sex marriage
and other equal rights for gays are FAR from normal.
Bigotry and hate are the opposite of normal. They are
TRUE perversities and deviancies.
(5) SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded people, both gay and
straight, are standing up and saying YES to helping
America become a Bigotry-Free Zone.
(6) Polls cannot reverse a judicial order.
A note of interest... It seems those religionists who want to
suppress equal rights for gays have to lie, cheat and steal to try
and get their way:
Conservative Group Admits Twisting Gay Marriage Poll
by Michael J. Meade
365Gay.com Newscenter
Boston Bureau
Posted: January 9, 2004 8:03 p.m. ET
(Boston, Massachusetts) The leader of a conservative group fighting
same-sex marriage in Massachusetts Friday admitted misrepresenting
the findings of a statewide poll to support his cause.
At a protest Wednesday at the legislature (story) Ron Crews of the
Massachusetts Family Institute cited a Zogby poll that indicated 69
percent of respondents wanted a chance to vote on amending the state
constitution to ban gay marriage.
Crews also pointed out that the poll showed showed 52 percent said
that "only marriage between one man and one woman should be legal,"
with 42 percent disagreeing.
But, what he did not tell the crowd, nor specify in media releases,
was that a slight majority opposed the constitutional amendment
(49-48 percent).
Nor did he mention that 48 percent do did not want lawmakers to
prevent marriage licenses from being issued to same-sex couples in
May, when the Supreme Judicial Court decision legalizing gay
marriage takes effect. 46 percent said the Legislature should stop
gays from marrying.
The Zogby poll was taken for the Crews group, and the Massachu-
setts Family Institute did not release the full poll. Zogby released the
information when it became concerned MFI was not portraying the full
picture.
Pollster John Zogby said it is standard practice for advocacy groups
to issue entire polls for public examination. "All of the questions
are important," said Zogby.
In a press release issued Friday, Crews said that polls are
"proprietary, important and relevant to those who commissioned the
poll" and that the portions released were those most relevant to the
issue before the Legislature.
He also criticized Zogby for making the full poll results public.
Crews said his group is in legal discussions with Zogby Inter-
national about what he called the "unauthorized disclosure" of
information in the poll.
In 1940, 54 percent of Americans said we should "forbid"
anti-democracy speeches while 75 percent said we should "not
allow" them.
Wording is everything in polls, and the most scrupulous and careful
pollsters bend over backward to make them as clear as possible.
Pollsters word their questions to get the answers they are after.
HONEST pollsters don't.
Obviously in the one to which you refer, two different questions were
asked, and the results compared. Which is a good thing to do... and it
sometimes produces such strange surprises.
Actually, the questions weren't asked in order to gather information
about whether or not Americans are in favor of free speech when the
speech is anti-American.
Is the word, "weren't," in your sentence, above, supposed to be
"were?" If not, the sentence doesn't make much sense as written.
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20 Jan 2004 07:12:43 AM |
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(Craig Chilton) wrote in message news:<400b40d7.12895606@netnews.mchsi.com>...
On 18 Jan 2004 18:26:45 -0800,
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.org>
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
"Work Work Work" <WWW@aol.com> wrote:
Thank god NORMAL people are standing up and saying No
to the homosexual agenda.
(1) There is no such thing as a "homosexual agenda."
Except in the warped MINDS (what there is to them) of
hateful and profoundly-ignorant bigots like you.
(2) Homosexuals are doing nothing more but fighting for the
very same across-the-board EQUALITY that blacks (with
the assistance of *their* non-black **allies**) deserved
and won, 40 years ago.
(3) God's name is capitalized. You obviously think very little
of Him, hypocrite.
(4) The only people who are opposing same-sex marriage
and other equal rights for gays are FAR from normal.
Bigotry and hate are the opposite of normal. They are
TRUE perversities and deviancies.
(5) SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded people, both gay and
straight, are standing up and saying YES to helping
America become a Bigotry-Free Zone.
(6) Polls cannot reverse a judicial order.
A note of interest... It seems those religionists who want to
suppress equal rights for gays have to lie, cheat and steal to try
and get their way:
Conservative Group Admits Twisting Gay Marriage Poll
by Michael J. Meade
365Gay.com Newscenter
Boston Bureau
Posted: January 9, 2004 8:03 p.m. ET
(Boston, Massachusetts) The leader of a conservative group fighting
same-sex marriage in Massachusetts Friday admitted misrepresenting
the findings of a statewide poll to support his cause.
At a protest Wednesday at the legislature (story) Ron Crews of the
Massachusetts Family Institute cited a Zogby poll that indicated 69
percent of respondents wanted a chance to vote on amending the state
constitution to ban gay marriage.
Crews also pointed out that the poll showed showed 52 percent said
that "only marriage between one man and one woman should be legal,"
with 42 percent disagreeing.
But, what he did not tell the crowd, nor specify in media releases,
was that a slight majority opposed the constitutional amendment
(49-48 percent).
Nor did he mention that 48 percent do did not want lawmakers to
prevent marriage licenses from being issued to same-sex couples in
May, when the Supreme Judicial Court decision legalizing gay
marriage takes effect. 46 percent said the Legislature should stop
gays from marrying.
The Zogby poll was taken for the Crews group, and the Massachu-
setts Family Institute did not release the full poll. Zogby released the
information when it became concerned MFI was not portraying the full
picture.
Pollster John Zogby said it is standard practice for advocacy groups
to issue entire polls for public examination. "All of the questions
are important," said Zogby.
In a press release issued Friday, Crews said that polls are
"proprietary, important and relevant to those who commissioned the
poll" and that the portions released were those most relevant to the
issue before the Legislature.
He also criticized Zogby for making the full poll results public.
Crews said his group is in legal discussions with Zogby Inter-
national about what he called the "unauthorized disclosure" of
information in the poll.
In 1940, 54 percent of Americans said we should "forbid"
anti-democracy speeches while 75 percent said we should "not
allow" them.
Wording is everything in polls, and the most scrupulous and careful
pollsters bend over backward to make them as clear as possible.
Pollsters word their questions to get the answers they are after.
HONEST pollsters don't.
And the "honest" ones are the ones who elicit the responses with which
you agree, yes?
Obviously in the one to which you refer, two different questions were
asked, and the results compared. Which is a good thing to do... and it
sometimes produces such strange surprises.
Actually, the questions weren't asked in order to gather information
about whether or not Americans are in favor of free speech when the
speech is anti-American.
Is the word, "weren't," in your sentence, above, supposed to be
"were?" If not, the sentence doesn't make much sense as written.
Let's see if I can make it clearer. The purpose of that particular
poll was not to find out how Americans felt about free speech.
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20 Jan 2004 07:16:49 PM |
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On 20 Jan 2004 05:12:43 -0800,
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.org>
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Work Work Work" <WWW@aol.com> wrote:
Thank god NORMAL people are standing up and saying
No to the homosexual agenda.
(1) There is no such thing as a "homosexual agenda."
Except in the warped MINDS (what there is to them) of
hateful and profoundly-ignorant bigots like you.
(2) Homosexuals are doing nothing more but fighting for the
very same across-the-board EQUALITY that blacks (with
the assistance of *their* non-black **allies**) deserved
and won, 40 years ago.
(3) God's name is capitalized. You obviously think very little
of Him, hypocrite.
(4) The only people who are opposing same-sex marriage
and other equal rights for gays are FAR from normal.
Bigotry and hate are the opposite of normal. They are
TRUE perversities and deviancies.
(5) SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded people, both gay and
straight, are standing up and saying YES to helping
America become a Bigotry-Free Zone.
(6) Polls cannot reverse a judicial order.
A note of interest... It seems those religionists who want to
suppress equal rights for gays have to lie, cheat and steal to try
and get their way:
Conservative Group Admits Twisting Gay Marriage Poll
by Michael J. Meade
365Gay.com Newscenter
Boston Bureau
Posted: January 9, 2004 8:03 p.m. ET
(Boston, Massachusetts) The leader of a conservative group fighting
same-sex marriage in Massachusetts Friday admitted misrepresenting
the findings of a statewide poll to support his cause.
At a protest Wednesday at the legislature (story) Ron Crews of the
Massachusetts Family Institute cited a Zogby poll that indicated 69
percent of respondents wanted a chance to vote on amending the state
constitution to ban gay marriage.
Crews also pointed out that the poll showed showed 52 percent said
that "only marriage between one man and one woman should be legal,"
with 42 percent disagreeing.
But, what he did not tell the crowd, nor specify in media releases,
was that a slight majority opposed the constitutional amendment
(49-48 percent).
Nor did he mention that 48 percent do did not want lawmakers to
prevent marriage licenses from being issued to same-sex couples in
May, when the Supreme Judicial Court decision legalizing gay
marriage takes effect. 46 percent said the Legislature should stop
gays from marrying.
The Zogby poll was taken for the Crews group, and the Massachu-
setts Family Institute did not release the full poll. Zogby released the
information when it became concerned MFI was not portraying the full
picture.
Pollster John Zogby said it is standard practice for advocacy groups
to issue entire polls for public examination. "All of the questions
are important," said Zogby.
In a press release issued Friday, Crews said that polls are
"proprietary, important and relevant to those who commissioned the
poll" and that the portions released were those most relevant to the
issue before the Legislature.
He also criticized Zogby for making the full poll results public.
Crews said his group is in legal discussions with Zogby Inter-
national about what he called the "unauthorized disclosure" of
information in the poll.
In 1940, 54 percent of Americans said we should "forbid"
anti-democracy speeches while 75 percent said we should "not
allow" them.
Wording is everything in polls, and the most scrupulous and careful
pollsters bend over backward to make them as clear as possible.
Pollsters word their questions to get the answers they are after.
HONEST pollsters don't.
And the "honest" ones are the ones who elicit the responses with
which you agree, yes?
Wrong. The honest ones are the scrupulously UNBIASED ones.
The ones I feel very comfortable *citing* when the results *are* to my
liking... BECAUSE they are an accurate reflection of people's views.
As is the case with Gallup. When their polls showed that 83%
of Americans profess Christianity (recently), and their polls have
consistently shown that Americans are Pro-Choice with respect to
abortion, by a 2-1 ratio... that provided all the evidence that we
needed to affirm that most American *Christians* are PRO-Choice...
and thatthe RRR cultists comprise an anomalous minority. CRED-
IBLE evidence that weakens the appearance of the RRR cultists,
honestly -- because the Gallup Poll is a long-term **proven** credible
and unbiased polling organization.
Obviously in the one to which you refer, two different questions were
asked, and the results compared. Which is a good thing to do... and it
sometimes produces such strange surprises.
Actually, the questions weren't asked in order to gather information
about whether or not Americans are in favor of free speech when the
speech is anti-American.
Is the word, "weren't," in your sentence, above, supposed to be
"were?" If not, the sentence doesn't make much sense as written.
Let's see if I can make it clearer. The purpose of that particular
poll was not to find out how Americans felt about free speech.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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| Title: Re: Anti-Gay-Rights Bigots LYINGLY Misrepresent Polls, to Serve their Hateful Agenda |
21 Jan 2004 12:55:24 PM |
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(Craig Chilton) wrote in message news:<4017d156.24706364@netnews.mchsi.com>...
On 20 Jan 2004 05:12:43 -0800,
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.org>
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
"Work Work Work" <WWW@aol.com> wrote:
Thank god NORMAL people are standing up and saying
No to the homosexual agenda.
(1) There is no such thing as a "homosexual agenda."
Except in the warped MINDS (what there is to them) of
hateful and profoundly-ignorant bigots like you.
(2) Homosexuals are doing nothing more but fighting for the
very same across-the-board EQUALITY that blacks (with
the assistance of *their* non-black **allies**) deserved
and won, 40 years ago.
(3) God's name is capitalized. You obviously think very little
of Him, hypocrite.
(4) The only people who are opposing same-sex marriage
and other equal rights for gays are FAR from normal.
Bigotry and hate are the opposite of normal. They are
TRUE perversities and deviancies.
(5) SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded people, both gay and
straight, are standing up and saying YES to helping
America become a Bigotry-Free Zone.
(6) Polls cannot reverse a judicial order.
A note of interest... It seems those religionists who want to
suppress equal rights for gays have to lie, cheat and steal to try
and get their way:
Conservative Group Admits Twisting Gay Marriage Poll
by Michael J. Meade
365Gay.com Newscenter
Boston Bureau
Posted: January 9, 2004 8:03 p.m. ET
(Boston, Massachusetts) The leader of a conservative group fighting
same-sex marriage in Massachusetts Friday admitted misrepresenting
the findings of a statewide poll to support his cause.
At a protest Wednesday at the legislature (story) Ron Crews of the
Massachusetts Family Institute cited a Zogby poll that indicated 69
percent of respondents wanted a chance to vote on amending the state
constitution to ban gay marriage.
Crews also pointed out that the poll showed showed 52 percent said
that "only marriage between one man and one woman should be legal,"
with 42 percent disagreeing.
But, what he did not tell the crowd, nor specify in media releases,
was that a slight majority opposed the constitutional amendment
(49-48 percent).
Nor did he mention that 48 percent do did not want lawmakers to
prevent marriage licenses from being issued to same-sex couples in
May, when the Supreme Judicial Court decision legalizing gay
marriage takes effect. 46 percent said the Legislature should stop
gays from marrying.
The Zogby poll was taken for the Crews group, and the Massachu-
setts Family Institute did not release the full poll. Zogby released the
information when it became concerned MFI was not portraying the full
picture.
Pollster John Zogby said it is standard practice for advocacy groups
to issue entire polls for public examination. "All of the questions
are important," said Zogby.
In a press release issued Friday, Crews said that polls are
"proprietary, important and relevant to those who commissioned the
poll" and that the portions released were those most relevant to the
issue before the Legislature.
He also criticized Zogby for making the full poll results public.
Crews said his group is in legal discussions with Zogby Inter-
national about what he called the "unauthorized disclosure" of
information in the poll.
In 1940, 54 percent of Americans said we should "forbid"
anti-democracy speeches while 75 percent said we should "not
allow" them.
Wording is everything in polls, and the most scrupulous and careful
pollsters bend over backward to make them as clear as possible.
Pollsters word their questions to get the answers they are after.
HONEST pollsters don't.
And the "honest" ones are the ones who elicit the responses with
which you agree, yes?
Wrong. The honest ones are the scrupulously UNBIASED ones.
The ones I feel very comfortable *citing* when the results *are* to my
liking... BECAUSE they are an accurate reflection of people's views.
You just confirmed what I said.
As is the case with Gallup. When their polls showed that 83%
of Americans profess Christianity (recently), and their polls have
consistently shown that Americans are Pro-Choice with respect to
abortion, by a 2-1 ratio... that provided all the evidence that we
needed to affirm that most American *Christians* are PRO-Choice...
You are a dipwad.
and thatthe RRR cultists comprise an anomalous minority. CRED-
IBLE evidence that weakens the appearance of the RRR cultists,
honestly -- because the Gallup Poll is a long-term **proven** credible
and unbiased polling organization.
You just confirmed what I said.
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| User: "Craig Chilton" |
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| Title: Re: Anti-Gay-Rights Bigots LYINGLY Misrepresent Polls, to Serve their Hateful Agenda |
21 Jan 2004 06:37:42 PM |
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On 21 Jan 2004 10:55:24 -0800,
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.org>
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Work Work Work" <WWW@aol.com> wrote:
Thank god NORMAL people are standing up and saying
No to the homosexual agenda.
(1) There is no such thing as a "homosexual agenda."
Except in the warped MINDS (what there is to them) of
hateful and profoundly-ignorant bigots like you.
(2) Homosexuals are doing nothing more but fighting for the
very same across-the-board EQUALITY that blacks (with
the assistance of *their* non-black **allies**) deserved
and won, 40 years ago.
(3) God's name is capitalized. You obviously think very little
of Him, hypocrite.
(4) The only people who are opposing same-sex marriage
and other equal rights for gays are FAR from normal.
Bigotry and hate are the opposite of normal. They are
TRUE perversities and deviancies.
(5) SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded people, both gay and
straight, are standing up and saying YES to helping
America become a Bigotry-Free Zone.
(6) Polls cannot reverse a judicial order.
A note of interest... It seems those religionists who want to
suppress equal rights for gays have to lie, cheat and steal to try
and get their way:
Conservative Group Admits Twisting Gay Marriage Poll
by Michael J. Meade
365Gay.com Newscenter
Boston Bureau
Posted: January 9, 2004 8:03 p.m. ET
(Boston, Massachusetts) The leader of a conservative group fighting
same-sex marriage in Massachusetts Friday admitted misrepresenting
the findings of a statewide poll to support his cause.
At a protest Wednesday at the legislature (story) Ron Crews of the
Massachusetts Family Institute cited a Zogby poll that indicated 69
percent of respondents wanted a chance to vote on amending the state
constitution to ban gay marriage.
Crews also pointed out that the poll showed showed 52 percent said
that "only marriage between one man and one woman should be legal,"
with 42 percent disagreeing.
But, what he did not tell the crowd, nor specify in media releases,
was that a slight majority opposed the constitutional amendment
(49-48 percent).
Nor did he mention that 48 percent do did not want lawmakers to
prevent marriage licenses from being issued to same-sex couples in
May, when the Supreme Judicial Court decision legalizing gay
marriage takes effect. 46 percent said the Legislature should stop
gays from marrying.
The Zogby poll was taken for the Crews group, and the Massachu-
setts Family Institute did not release the full poll. Zogby released the
information when it became concerned MFI was not portraying the full
picture.
Pollster John Zogby said it is standard practice for advocacy groups
to issue entire polls for public examination. "All of the questions
are important," said Zogby.
In a press release issued Friday, Crews said that polls are
"proprietary, important and relevant to those who commissioned the
poll" and that the portions released were those most relevant to the
issue before the Legislature.
He also criticized Zogby for making the full poll results public.
Crews said his group is in legal discussions with Zogby Inter-
national about what he called the "unauthorized disclosure" of
information in the poll.
In 1940, 54 percent of Americans said we should "forbid"
anti-democracy speeches while 75 percent said we should "not
allow" them.
Wording is everything in polls, and the most scrupulous and careful
pollsters bend over backward to make them as clear as possible.
Pollsters word their questions to get the answers they are after.
HONEST pollsters don't.
And the "honest" ones are the ones who elicit the responses with
which you agree, yes?
Wrong. The honest ones are the scrupulously UNBIASED ones.
The ones I feel very comfortable *citing* when the results *are* to my
liking... BECAUSE they are an accurate reflection of people's views.
You just confirmed what I said.
If you believe that, then your reading comprehension skills
leave a LOT to be desired.
As is the case with Gallup. When their polls showed that 83%
of Americans profess Christianity (recently), and their polls have
consistently shown that Americans are Pro-Choice with respect to
abortion, by a 2-1 ratio... that provided all the evidence that we
needed to affirm that most American *Christians* are PRO-Choice...
You are a dipwad.
Oh, that's a *great* "REFUTATION!"
ROTFLMAO!!!
The numbers are right there in black-and-white, from America's
most long-term-reputable and provably unbiased polling institution.
RRR cultists love to claim to be "Christians," but in actuality are one
of the most UN-Christian factions in American society. Comprised
almost entirely of PSEUDO-Christians and cultically-deceived-and-
programmed-by-lies-and-disinformation-by-false-teachers Christians.
NORMAL Christians who have *not* been thus deceived are in the
vast majority, and those fair-minded, sensible, and tolerant people
REJECT the loathesome Anti-Choice agenda of the RRR cultists.
Tough luck for those losers. The proof is there, and there's nothing
any of you can do to disprove it.
It's a **fact**: MOST American Christians are PRO-Choice.
After all, being COMPASSIONATE *is* the Christian thing to do,
and Anti-Choicers have nothing driving them but ignorant hatefulness.
...and thatthe RRR cultists comprise an anomalous minority. CRED-
IBLE evidence that weakens the appearance of the RRR cultists,
honestly -- because the Gallup Poll is a long-term **proven** credible
and unbiased polling organization.
You just confirmed what I said.
So *again* you prove your reading skills to be deficient. But that's
not so surprising. Goes right along with a person's being sufficiently
ignorant just to BE an Anti-Choicer.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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22 Jan 2004 08:01:17 AM |
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(Craig Chilton) wrote in message news:<401219c0.1167962@netnews.mchsi.com>...
On 21 Jan 2004 10:55:24 -0800,
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.org>
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
"Work Work Work" <WWW@aol.com> wrote:
Thank god NORMAL people are standing up and saying
No to the homosexual agenda.
(1) There is no such thing as a "homosexual agenda."
Except in the warped MINDS (what there is to them) of
hateful and profoundly-ignorant bigots like you.
(2) Homosexuals are doing nothing more but fighting for the
very same across-the-board EQUALITY that blacks (with
the assistance of *their* non-black **allies**) deserved
and won, 40 years ago.
(3) God's name is capitalized. You obviously think very little
of Him, hypocrite.
(4) The only people who are opposing same-sex marriage
and other equal rights for gays are FAR from normal.
Bigotry and hate are the opposite of normal. They are
TRUE perversities and deviancies.
(5) SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded people, both gay and
straight, are standing up and saying YES to helping
America become a Bigotry-Free Zone.
(6) Polls cannot reverse a judicial order.
A note of interest... It seems those religionists who want to
suppress equal rights for gays have to lie, cheat and steal to try
and get their way:
Conservative Group Admits Twisting Gay Marriage Poll
by Michael J. Meade
365Gay.com Newscenter
Boston Bureau
Posted: January 9, 2004 8:03 p.m. ET
(Boston, Massachusetts) The leader of a conservative group fighting
same-sex marriage in Massachusetts Friday admitted misrepresenting
the findings of a statewide poll to support his cause.
At a protest Wednesday at the legislature (story) Ron Crews of the
Massachusetts Family Institute cited a Zogby poll that indicated 69
percent of respondents wanted a chance to vote on amending the state
constitution to ban gay marriage.
Crews also pointed out that the poll showed showed 52 percent said
that "only marriage between one man and one woman should be legal,"
with 42 percent disagreeing.
But, what he did not tell the crowd, nor specify in media releases,
was that a slight majority opposed the constitutional amendment
(49-48 percent).
Nor did he mention that 48 percent do did not want lawmakers to
prevent marriage licenses from being issued to same-sex couples in
May, when the Supreme Judicial Court decision legalizing gay
marriage takes effect. 46 percent said the Legislature should stop
gays from marrying.
The Zogby poll was taken for the Crews group, and the Massachu-
setts Family Institute did not release the full poll. Zogby released the
information when it became concerned MFI was not portraying the full
picture.
Pollster John Zogby said it is standard practice for advocacy groups
to issue entire polls for public examination. "All of the questions
are important," said Zogby.
In a press release issued Friday, Crews said that polls are
"proprietary, important and relevant to those who commissioned the
poll" and that the portions released were those most relevant to the
issue before the Legislature.
He also criticized Zogby for making the full poll results public.
Crews said his group is in legal discussions with Zogby Inter-
national about what he called the "unauthorized disclosure" of
information in the poll.
In 1940, 54 percent of Americans said we should "forbid"
anti-democracy speeches while 75 percent said we should "not
allow" them.
Wording is everything in polls, and the most scrupulous and careful
pollsters bend over backward to make them as clear as possible.
Pollsters word their questions to get the answers they are after.
HONEST pollsters don't.
And the "honest" ones are the ones who elicit the responses with
which you agree, yes?
Wrong. The honest ones are the scrupulously UNBIASED ones.
The ones I feel very comfortable *citing* when the results *are* to my
liking... BECAUSE they are an accurate reflection of people's views.
You just confirmed what I said.
If you believe that, then your reading comprehension skills
leave a LOT to be desired.
You stated that you believe what you want to believe. Nothing wrong
with my reading comprehension.
As is the case with Gallup. When their polls showed that 83%
of Americans profess Christianity (recently), and their polls have
consistently shown that Americans are Pro-Choice with respect to
abortion, by a 2-1 ratio... that provided all the evidence that we
needed to affirm that most American *Christians* are PRO-Choice...
You are a dipwad.
Oh, that's a *great* "REFUTATION!"
Your M.O. seems to be stating things which are so off the wall and so
removed from reality that no one would take them seriously. Then you
claim some sort of silly victory when no one will seriously discuss
your idiotic claims.
You are a dipwad seems the only appropriate response to such idiocy.
Your claims are so obviously ridiculous that discussion seems
unnecessary.
The numbers are right there in black-and-white, from America's
most long-term-reputable and provably unbiased polling institution.
No they aren't. Let's take your first claim..........83% claim to be
Christian. Yet the percentagve of Americans who attend a religious
service regularly is about 44%. According to Barna research, only 12%
of those who report being Christian actually tithe....
As for the rest of your nonsense, see
http://www.barna.org/cgi-bin/PagePressRelease.asp?PressReleaseID=94&Reference=D
Yet only
RRR cultists love to claim to be "Christians," but in actuality are one
of the most UN-Christian factions in American society. Comprised
almost entirely of PSEUDO-Christians and cultically-deceived-and-
programmed-by-lies-and-disinformation-by-false-teachers Christians.
NORMAL Christians who have *not* been thus deceived are in the
vast majority, and those fair-minded, sensible, and tolerant people
REJECT the loathesome Anti-Choice agenda of the RRR cultists.
Tough luck for those losers. The proof is there, and there's nothing
any of you can do to disprove it.
It's a **fact**: MOST American Christians are PRO-Choice.
It is not a fact. Not even all Americans who claim to be Christians
are "prochoice."
After all, being COMPASSIONATE *is* the Christian thing to do,
and Anti-Choicers have nothing driving them but ignorant hatefulness.
...and thatthe RRR cultists comprise an anomalous minority. CRED-
IBLE evidence that weakens the appearance of the RRR cultists,
honestly -- because the Gallup Poll is a long-term **proven** credible
and unbiased polling organization.
You just confirmed what I said.
So *again* you prove your reading skills to be deficient. But that's
not so surprising. Goes right along with a person's being sufficiently
ignorant just to BE an Anti-Choicer.
See above.
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| Title: Re: Anti-Gay-Rights Bigots LYINGLY Misrepresent Polls, to Serve their Hateful Agenda |
22 Jan 2004 09:24:15 AM |
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On 22 Jan 2004 06:01:17 -0800,
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.org>
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Work Work Work" <WWW@aol.com> wrote:
Thank god NORMAL people are standing up and saying
No to the homosexual agenda.
(1) There is no such thing as a "homosexual agenda."
Except in the warped MINDS (what there is to them) of
hateful and profoundly-ignorant bigots like you.
(2) Homosexuals are doing nothing more but fighting for the
very same across-the-board EQUALITY that blacks (with
the assistance of *their* non-black **allies**) deserved
and won, 40 years ago.
(3) God's name is capitalized. You obviously think very little
of Him, hypocrite.
(4) The only people who are opposing same-sex marriage
and other equal rights for gays are FAR from normal.
Bigotry and hate are the opposite of normal. They are
TRUE perversities and deviancies.
(5) SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded people, both gay and
straight, are standing up and saying YES to helping
America become a Bigotry-Free Zone.
(6) Polls cannot reverse a judicial order.
A note of interest... It seems those religionists who want to
suppress equal rights for gays have to lie, cheat and steal to try
and get their way:
Conservative Group Admits Twisting Gay Marriage Poll
by Michael J. Meade
365Gay.com Newscenter
Boston Bureau
Posted: January 9, 2004 8:03 p.m. ET
(Boston, Massachusetts) The leader of a conservative group fighting
same-sex marriage in Massachusetts Friday admitted misrepresenting
the findings of a statewide poll to support his cause.
At a protest Wednesday at the legislature (story) Ron Crews of the
Massachusetts Family Institute cited a Zogby poll that indicated 69
percent of respondents wanted a chance to vote on amending the state
constitution to ban gay marriage.
Crews also pointed out that the poll showed showed 52 percent said
that "only marriage between one man and one woman should be legal,"
with 42 percent disagreeing.
But, what he did not tell the crowd, nor specify in media releases,
was that a slight majority opposed the constitutional amendment
(49-48 percent).
Nor did he mention that 48 percent do did not want lawmakers to
prevent marriage licenses from being issued to same-sex couples in
May, when the Supreme Judicial Court decision legalizing gay
marriage takes effect. 46 percent said the Legislature should stop
gays from marrying.
The Zogby poll was taken for the Crews group, and the Massachu-
setts Family Institute did not release the full poll. Zogby released the
information when it became concerned MFI was not portraying the full
picture.
Pollster John Zogby said it is standard practice for advocacy groups
to issue entire polls for public examination. "All of the questions
are important," said Zogby.
In a press release issued Friday, Crews said that polls are
"proprietary, important and relevant to those who commissioned the
poll" and that the portions released were those most relevant to the
issue before the Legislature.
He also criticized Zogby for making the full poll results public.
Crews said his group is in legal discussions with Zogby Inter-
national about what he called the "unauthorized disclosure" of
information in the poll.
In 1940, 54 percent of Americans said we should "forbid"
anti-democracy speeches while 75 percent said we should "not
allow" them.
Wording is everything in polls, and the most scrupulous and careful
pollsters bend over backward to make them as clear as possible.
Pollsters word their questions to get the answers they are after.
HONEST pollsters don't.
And the "honest" ones are the ones who elicit the responses with
which you agree, yes?
Wrong. The honest ones are the scrupulously UNBIASED ones.
The ones I feel very comfortable *citing* when the results *are* to my
liking... BECAUSE they are an accurate reflection of people's views.
You just confirmed what I said.
If you believe that, then your reading comprehension skills
leave a LOT to be desired.
You stated that you believe what you want to believe. Nothing wrong
with my reading comprehension.
Wrong. What I stated very clearly was that -- because Gallup's polls
ARE so reliably unbiased -- I have confidence in ALL that they report.
And THERWFORE, when the results are something that I agree with, I
feel fully confident in CITING those results.
Do you "get it" THIS time?
As is the case with Gallup. When their polls showed that 83%
of Americans profess Christianity (recently), and their polls have
consistently shown that Americans are Pro-Choice with respect to
abortion, by a 2-1 ratio... that provided all the evidence that we
needed to affirm that most American *Christians* are PRO-Choice...
You are a dipwad.
Oh, that's a *great* "REFUTATION!"
Your M.O. seems to be stating things which are so off the wall and so
removed from reality that no one would take them seriously.
*Sensible* and *intelligent* people who haven't ben programmed by
the RRR culkt's disinformation (which is MOST people) take them quite
seriously, because all that I report in here is FACTUAL.
Then you claim some sort of silly victory when no one will seriously
discuss your idiotic claims.
I fully EXPECT that anyone who is bone-stupid enough to seek to
impose immense misery and hardship upon millions of people, is ALSO
stupid enough to regard FACTS to be "idiotic." Therefore, you surprise
NO thinking person when you spew the sort of nonsense you are spewing
right now.
You are a dipwad seems the only appropriate response to
such idiocy.
Perfectly in line with *your* ACTUAL idiocy.
Your claims are so obviously ridiculous that discussion seems
unnecessary.
Look up "cultist" and see why you have that malady.
The numbers are right there in black-and-white, from America's
most long-term-reputable and provably unbiased polling institution.
No they aren't. Let's take your first claim..........83% claim to be
Christian.
Not "my claim." GALLUP'S *finding.*
Yet the percentagve of Americans who attend a religious service
regularly is about 44%. According to Barna research, only 12%
of those who report being Christian actually tithe....
So now you are claiming that a person MUST go to church regularly, or
tithe, in order to BE a Christian? The bible says NO such thing.
As for the rest of your nonsense, see
http://www.barna.org/cgi-bin/PagePressRelease.asp?PressReleaseID=94&Reference=D
When a long-standing polling organization such as Gullup or Harris
which is known for being scupulously unbiased comes up with any such
findings, THEN I will accord their findings on such points with
credibility. IF such findings should occur.
Yet only RRR cultists love to claim to be "Christians," but in
actuality are one of the most UN-Christian factions in American
society. Comprised almost entirely of PSEUDO-Christians and
cultically-deceived-and-programmed-by-lies-and-disinformation-
by-false-teachers Christians. NORMAL Christians who have
*not* been thus deceived are in the vast majority, and those
fair-minded, sensible, and tolerant people REJECT the loathesome
Anti-Choice agenda of the RRR cultists. Tough luck for those
losers. The proof is there, and there's nothing any of you can
do to disprove it.
It's a **fact**: MOST American Christians are PRO-Choice.
It is not a fact.
It IS, for the clear reasons I stated.
Not even all Americans who claim to be Christians are
"prochoice."
That's true. But don't be dumb enough to claim that you just
exercised any logic.
After all, being COMPASSIONATE *is* the Christian thing to do,
and Anti-Choicers have nothing driving them but ignorant hatefulness.
...and thatthe RRR cultists comprise an anomalous minority. CRED-
IBLE evidence that weakens the appearance of the RRR cultists,
honestly -- because the Gallup Poll is a long-term **proven** credible
and unbiased polling organization.
You just confirmed what I said.
So *again* you prove your reading skills to be deficient. But that's
not so surprising. Goes right along with a person's being sufficiently
ignorant just to BE an Anti-Choicer.
See above.
You too. I just made that even MORE clear for you.
-- Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com>
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Anti-Gay-Rights Bigots LYINGLY Misrepresent Polls, to Serve their Hateful Agenda |
23 Jan 2004 07:15:05 AM |
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(Craig Chilton) wrote in message news:<4018e609.2648383@netnews.mchsi.com>...
On 22 Jan 2004 06:01:17 -0800,
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.org>
Craig Chilton < > wrote:
"Work Work Work" <WWW@aol.com> wrote:
Thank god NORMAL people are standing up and saying
No to the homosexual agenda.
(1) There is no such thing as a "homosexual agenda."
Except in the warped MINDS (what there is to them) of
hateful and profoundly-ignorant bigots like you.
(2) Homosexuals are doing nothing more but fighting for the
very same across-the-board EQUALITY that blacks (with
the assistance of *their* non-black **allies**) deserved
and won, 40 years ago.
(3) God's name is capitalized. You obviously think very little
of Him, hypocrite.
(4) The only people who are opposing same-sex marriage
and other equal rights for gays are FAR from normal.
Bigotry and hate are the opposite of normal. They are
TRUE perversities and deviancies.
(5) SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded people, both gay and
straight, are standing up and saying YES to helping
America become a Bigotry-Free Zone.
(6) Polls cannot reverse a judicial order.
A note of interest... It seems those religionists who want to
suppress equal rights for gays have to lie, cheat and steal to try
and get their way:
Conservative Group Admits Twisting Gay Marriage Poll
by Michael J. Meade
365Gay.com Newscenter
Boston Bureau
Posted: January 9, 2004 8:03 p.m. ET
(Boston, Massachusetts) The leader of a conservative group fighting
same-sex marriage in Massachusetts Friday admitted misrepresenting
the findings of a statewide poll to support his cause.
At a protest Wednesday at the legislature (story) Ron Crews of the
Massachusetts Family Institute cited a Zogby poll that indicated 69
percent of respondents wanted a chance to vote on amending the state
constitution to ban gay marriage.
Crews also pointed out that the poll showed showed 52 percent said
that "only marriage between one man and one woman should be legal,"
with 42 percent disagreeing.
But, what he did not tell the crowd, nor specify in media releases,
was that a slight majority opposed the constitutional amendment
(49-48 percent).
Nor did he mention that 48 percent do did not want lawmakers to
prevent marriage licenses from being issued to same-sex couples in
May, when the Supreme Judicial Court decision legalizing gay
marriage takes effect. 46 percent said the Legislature should stop
gays from marrying.
The Zogby poll was taken for the Crews group, and the Massachu-
setts Family Institute did not release the full poll. Zogby released the
information when it became concerned MFI was not portraying the full
picture.
Pollster John Zogby said it is standard practice for advocacy groups
to issue entire polls for public examination. "All of the questions
are important," said Zogby.
In a press release issued Friday, Crews said that polls are
"proprietary, important and relevant to those who commissioned the
poll" and that the portions released were those most relevant to the
issue before the Legislature.
He also criticized Zogby for making the full poll results public.
Crews said his group is in legal discussions with Zogby Inter-
national about what he called the "unauthorized disclosure" of
information in the poll.
In 1940, 54 percent of Americans said we should "forbid"
anti-democracy speeches while 75 percent said we should "not
allow" them.
Wording is everything in polls, and the most scrupulous and careful
pollsters bend over backward to make them as clear as possible.
Pollsters word their questions to get the answers they are after.
HONEST pollsters don't.
And the "honest" ones are the ones who elicit the responses with
which you agree, yes?
Wrong. The honest ones are the scrupulously UNBIASED ones.
The ones I feel very comfortable *citing* when the results *are* to my
liking... BECAUSE they are an accurate reflection of people's views.
You just confirmed what I said.
If you believe that, then your reading comprehension skills
leave a LOT to be desired.
You stated that you believe what you want to believe. Nothing wrong
with my reading comprehension.
Wrong. What I stated very clearly was that -- because Gallup's polls
ARE so reliably unbiased -- I have confidence in ALL that they report.
Because you think they confirm what you want them to confirm. They
don't, but you've never been one to confuse yourself with actual
facts.
And THERWFORE, when the results are something that I agree with, I
feel fully confident in CITING those results.
I rest my case.
Do you "get it" THIS time?
I got it the first time.
As is the case with Gallup. When their polls showed that 83%
of Americans profess Christianity (recently), and their polls have
consistently shown that Americans are Pro-Choice with respect to
abortion, by a 2-1 ratio... that provided all the evidence that we
needed to affirm that most American *Christians* are PRO-Choice...
You are a dipwad.
Oh, that's a *great* "REFUTATION!"
Your M.O. seems to be stating things which are so off the wall and so
removed from reality that no one would take them seriously.
*Sensible* and *intelligent* people who haven't ben programmed by
the RRR culkt's disinformation (which is MOST people) take them quite
seriously, because all that I report in here is FACTUAL.
The only people who take you seriously are the people who already
agree with most of what you say. That's no surprise. I suppose I
said that "no one who doesn't share your warped viewpoint would take
what you say seriously."
Then you claim some sort of silly victory when no one will seriously
discuss your idiotic claims.
I fully EXPECT that anyone who is bone-stupid enough to seek to
impose immense misery and hardship upon millions of people, is ALSO
stupid enough to regard FACTS to be "idiotic." Therefore, you surprise
NO thinking person when you spew the sort of nonsense you are spewing
right now.
Chilton, you wouldn't know what an actual fact was if someone drew you
a map.
You are a dipwad seems the only appropriate response to
such idiocy.
Perfectly in line with *your* ACTUAL idiocy.
Your claims are so obviously ridiculous that discussion seems
unnecessary.
Look up "cultist" and see why you have that malady.
Hate to break it to you but, if you belong to a church, you are a
"cultist."
The numbers are right there in black-and-white, from America's
most long-term-reputable and provably unbiased polling institution.
No they aren't. Let's take your first claim..........83% claim to be
Christian.
Not "my claim." GALLUP'S *finding.*
Well, thanks for the nitpick. Okay, your claim of Gallup's claim.
Yet the percentagve of Americans who attend a religious service
regularly is about 44%. According to Barna research, only 12%
of those who report being Christian actually tithe....
So now you are claiming that a person MUST go to church regularly, or
tithe, in order to BE a Christian? The bible says NO such thing.
Heb 10:23 Let us hold fast the profession of our faith without
wavering; (for he is faithful that promised 24 And let us consider one
another to provoke unto love and to good works: 25 Not forsaking the
assembling of ourselves together, as the manner of some is; but
exhorting one another: and so much the more, as ye see the day
approaching.
Mark 12:30 And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
God even had elaborate details for the house of worship while the
Israelites were on the road.
"Bring the whole tithe into the storehouse, so that there may be food
in My house, and test Me now in this. . .if I will not open for you
the windows of heaven, and pour out for you a blessing until it
overflows" (Malachi 3:10)
As for the rest of your nonsense, see
http://www.barna.org/cgi-bin/PagePressRelease.asp?PressReleaseID=94&Reference=D
When a long-standing polling organization such as Gullup or Harris
which is known for being scupulously unbiased comes up with any such
findings, THEN I will accord their findings on such points with
credibility. IF such findings should occur.
I rest my case. Just out of curiosity, how would you suppose Barna
would gain if his research showed any more bias than Gallup?
Yet only RRR cultists love to claim to be "Christians," but in
actuality are one of the most UN-Christian factions in American
society. Comprised almost entirely of PSEUDO-Christians and
cultically-deceived-and-programmed-by-lies-and-disinformation-
by-false-teachers Christians. NORMAL Christians who have
*not* been thus deceived are in the vast majority, and those
fair-minded, sensible, and tolerant people REJECT the loathesome
Anti-Choice agenda of the RRR cultists. Tough luck for those
losers. The proof is there, and there's nothing any of you can
do to disprove it.
It's a **fact**: MOST American Christians are PRO-Choice.
It is not a fact.
It IS, for the clear reasons I stated.
Like I said, you wouldn't know what a fact was if someone drew you a
map.
Not even all Americans who claim to be Christians are
"prochoice."
That's true. But don't be dumb enough to claim that you just
exercised any logic.
After all, being COMPASSIONATE *is* the Christian thing to do,
and Anti-Choicers have nothing driving them but ignorant hatefulness.
...and thatthe RRR cultists comprise an anomalous minority. CRED-
IBLE evidence that weakens the appearance of the RRR cultists,
honestly -- because the Gallup Poll is a long-term **proven** credible
and unbiased polling organization.
You just confirmed what I said.
So *again* you prove your reading skills to be deficient. But that's
not so surprising. Goes right along with a person's being sufficiently
ignorant just to BE an Anti-Choicer.
See above.
You too. I just made that even MORE clear for you.
Yes, you make things very clear.
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| Title: Re: Serve their Hateful Agenda |
24 Jan 2004 08:52:40 PM |
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In article <4017bcfb.9376120@netnews.mchsi.com>
xanadu222@mchsi.com (Craig Chilton) wrote:
On 23 Jan 2004 05:15:05 -0800,
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
Someone Anonymous <someone462000@yahoo.com> wrote:
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"L. Michael Roberts" wrote:
Bill Baker <wbaker@postini.org>
Craig Chilton <xanadu222@mchsi.com> wrote:
"Work Work Work" <WWW@aol.com> wrote:
Thank god NORMAL people are standing up and saying
No to the homosexual agenda.
(1) There is no such thing as a "homosexual agenda."
Except in the warped MINDS (what there is to them)
of hateful and profoundly-ignorant bigots like you.
(2) Homosexuals are doing nothing more but fighting for the
very same across-the-board EQUALITY that blacks (with
the assistance of *their* non-black **allies**) deserved
and won, 40 years ago.
(3) God's name is capitalized. You obviously think very little
of Him, hypocrite.
(4) The only people who are opposing same-sex marriage
and other equal rights for gays are FAR from normal.
Bigotry and hate are the opposite of normal. They are
TRUE perversities and deviancies.
(5) SENSIBLE and FAIR-minded people, both gay and
straight, are standing up and saying YES to helping
America become a Bigotry-Free Zone.
(6) Polls cannot reverse a judicial order.
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