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"JD" |
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24 Jun 2004 04:31:40 PM |
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Are you sure it's Jesus who's with you? |
I keep being told by Christians that they know Jesus personally.
How do they know him? How do they know it's the biblical Jesus and not some
other benevolent cosmic entity that's attached itself to them?
Has the entity positively identified itself to them or are they just making
an assumption it's him and hoping for the best?
JD
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| User: "David Matthieu P.P." |
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| Title: Re: Are you sure it's Jesus who's with you? |
25 Jun 2004 08:08:23 PM |
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"JD" <jd@slowtrain.com> wrote in message
news:40db483f$0$18196$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
I keep being told by Christians that they know Jesus personally.
How do they know him? How do they know it's the biblical Jesus and not
some
other benevolent cosmic entity that's attached itself to them?
Has the entity positively identified itself to them or are they just
making
an assumption it's him and hoping for the best?
JD
Check this video File of a tormented believer testifying of what a spiritual
entity did to her in a so called "Christian" Revival:
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-brownsville-amy-ward.ram
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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| Title: Re: Are you sure it's Jesus who's with you? |
25 Jun 2004 08:22:19 AM |
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On Fri, 25 Jun 2004 07:31:40 +1000, "JD" <jd@slowtrain.com> wrote:
I keep being told by Christians that they know Jesus personally.
How do they know him? How do they know it's the biblical Jesus and not some
other benevolent cosmic entity that's attached itself to them?
Has the entity positively identified itself to them or are they just making
an assumption it's him and hoping for the best?
They lack the ability to think for themselves.
JD
-Barry
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Web page: http://members.optusnet.com.au/~barry.og
Atheist, radio scanner, LIPD information.
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: Are you sure it's Jesus who's with you? |
25 Jun 2004 06:29:54 PM |
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Some good questions...
"JD" <jd@slowtrain.com> wrote in message
news:40db483f$0$18196$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
I keep being told by Christians that they know Jesus personally.
How do they know him?
His fruits, attributes, communications, and miracles He accomplished in my
life match up with the Biblical account of what He would be
How do they know it's the biblical Jesus and not some
other benevolent cosmic entity that's attached itself to them?
No way to know for sure, admittingly, but if He isn't, He sure is a pro
impostor
Has the entity positively identified itself to them or are they just
making
an assumption it's him and hoping for the best?
He has, in His own way, but such still leaves *us hoping for the best
*us, because I know a few who appear to have the same *benevolent cosmic
entity* attached to them, as the one I know
JD
G(CM)
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| User: "JD" |
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| Title: Re: Are you sure it's Jesus who's with you? |
25 Jun 2004 07:09:19 PM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:10dpdbcdu6eho5c@corp.supernews.com...
Some good questions...
"JD" <jd@slowtrain.com> wrote in message
news:40db483f$0$18196$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
I keep being told by Christians that they know Jesus personally.
How do they know him?
His fruits, attributes, communications, and miracles He accomplished in my
life match up with the Biblical account of what He would be
Jesus is not the first to show love and compassion to the weak. There have
been many others not so famous, and he's most probably not the only
benevolent entity in the cosmos, so why assume that it must be him? Is it
just because the bible raves about him? Maybe his operating style is a
standard in the upper realms.
How do they know it's the biblical Jesus and not some
other benevolent cosmic entity that's attached itself to them?
No way to know for sure, admittingly, but if He isn't, He sure is a pro
impostor
Either that or the churches did a big beat up on the original story.
It wouldn't be the first time a story was over sensationalised.
Has the entity positively identified itself to them or are they just
making
an assumption it's him and hoping for the best?
He has, in His own way, but such still leaves *us hoping for the best
Maybe the entity figured he'd better stick to a figure you can relate to so
he doesn't complicate matters by trying to explain who and what he is.
*us, because I know a few who appear to have the same *benevolent cosmic
entity* attached to them, as the one I know
Maybe all benevolent entities are the same in their ways.
To the receiver, compassion is compassion no matter who's giving it.
JD
G(CM)
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| User: "Thomas Hankin" |
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| Title: Re: Are you sure it's Jesus who's with you? |
26 Jun 2004 11:57:55 AM |
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"JD" <jd@slowtrain.com> wrote in
news:40dcbeb5$0$18190$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au:
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:10dpdbcdu6eho5c@corp.supernews.com...
Some good questions...
"JD" <jd@slowtrain.com> wrote in message
news:40db483f$0$18196$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
I keep being told by Christians that they know Jesus personally.
How do they know him?
His fruits, attributes, communications, and miracles He accomplished
in my life match up with the Biblical account of what He would be
Jesus is not the first to show love and compassion to the weak. There
have been many others not so famous, and he's most probably not the
only benevolent entity in the cosmos, so why assume that it must be
him? Is it just because the bible raves about him? Maybe his operating
style is a standard in the upper realms.
How do they know it's the biblical Jesus and not some
other benevolent cosmic entity that's attached itself to them?
No way to know for sure, admittingly, but if He isn't, He sure is a
pro impostor
Either that or the churches did a big beat up on the original story.
It wouldn't be the first time a story was over sensationalised.
Has the entity positively identified itself to them or are they
just
making
an assumption it's him and hoping for the best?
He has, in His own way, but such still leaves *us hoping for the best
Maybe the entity figured he'd better stick to a figure you can relate
to so he doesn't complicate matters by trying to explain who and what
he is.
*us, because I know a few who appear to have the same *benevolent
cosmic entity* attached to them, as the one I know
Maybe all benevolent entities are the same in their ways.
To the receiver, compassion is compassion no matter who's giving it.
JD
G(CM)
And maybe there is truly only one such "benevolent entity" and His name
is Jesus Christ, and He is just as the Bible describes. No hype -- no
build up -- just Jesus, the way He was, is and always will be.
God Bless.
Tom.
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| User: "JD" |
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| Title: Re: Are you sure it's Jesus who's with you? |
26 Jun 2004 04:38:08 PM |
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"Thomas Hankin" <thomas_hankin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns951483A8C5Fthomashankinyahoocom@66.185.95.104...
And maybe there is truly only one such "benevolent entity" and His name
is Jesus Christ, and He is just as the Bible describes. No hype -- no
build up -- just Jesus, the way He was, is and always will be.
God Bless.
Tom.
If you want to sell your soul to a 'maybe' then that's your choice.
JD
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| User: "Thomas Hankin" |
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26 Jun 2004 07:21:47 PM |
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"JD" <jd@slowtrain.com> wrote in news:40ddecc7$0$16104$afc38c87
@news.optusnet.com.au:
"Thomas Hankin" <thomas_hankin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns951483A8C5Fthomashankinyahoocom@66.185.95.104...
And maybe there is truly only one such "benevolent entity" and His name
is Jesus Christ, and He is just as the Bible describes. No hype -- no
build up -- just Jesus, the way He was, is and always will be.
God Bless.
Tom.
If you want to sell your soul to a 'maybe' then that's your choice.
JD
You know JD, in a way you are right, except for the part of celling our
soul. There is no maybe. A rewrite is in order.
There is only one such "benevolent entity" and His name is Jesus Christ,
and He is just as the Bible describes. No hype -- no build up -- just
Jesus, the He was, is and always will be. Thanks for the correction.
God Bless.
Tom.
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| User: "JD" |
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| Title: Re: Are you sure it's Jesus who's with you? |
26 Jun 2004 08:57:11 PM |
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"Thomas Hankin" <thomas_hankin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9514CEEA05C8Dthomashankinyahoocom@66.185.95.104...
"JD" <jd@slowtrain.com> wrote in news:40ddecc7$0$16104$afc38c87
@news.optusnet.com.au:
If you want to sell your soul to a 'maybe' then that's your choice.
JD
You know JD, in a way you are right, except for the part of celling our
soul. There is no maybe. A rewrite is in order.
There is only one such "benevolent entity" and His name is Jesus Christ,
and He is just as the Bible describes. No hype -- no build up -- just
Jesus, the He was, is and always will be. Thanks for the correction.
God Bless.
Tom.
That this entity is Jesus Christ is essentially just a belief.
Otherwise christians would not be called believers.
The same goes for the belief that the bible is the actual word of an
individual God.
J
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: Are you sure it's Jesus who's with you? |
30 Jun 2004 02:36:52 PM |
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"JD" <jd@slowtrain.com> wrote in message
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"Thomas Hankin" <thomas_hankin@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:Xns9514CEEA05C8Dthomashankinyahoocom@66.185.95.104...
"JD" <jd@slowtrain.com> wrote in news:40ddecc7$0$16104$afc38c87
@news.optusnet.com.au:
If you want to sell your soul to a 'maybe' then that's your choice.
JD
You know JD, in a way you are right, except for the part of celling our
soul. There is no maybe. A rewrite is in order.
There is only one such "benevolent entity" and His name is Jesus Christ,
and He is just as the Bible describes. No hype -- no build up -- just
Jesus, the He was, is and always will be. Thanks for the correction.
God Bless.
Tom.
That this entity is Jesus Christ is essentially just a belief.
Otherwise christians would not be called believers.
Do you believe that the moon orbits the earth ? So do I, and guess what, it
does !
The same goes for the belief that the bible is the actual word of an
individual God.
I for one don't believe that it is.
J
G(CM)
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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26 Jun 2004 12:46:08 PM |
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"JD" <jd@slowtrain.com> wrote in message
news:40dcbeb5$0$18190$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:10dpdbcdu6eho5c@corp.supernews.com...
Some good questions...
"JD" <jd@slowtrain.com> wrote in message
news:40db483f$0$18196$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
I keep being told by Christians that they know Jesus personally.
How do they know him?
His fruits, attributes, communications, and miracles He accomplished in
my
life match up with the Biblical account of what He would be
Jesus is not the first to show love and compassion to the weak. There have
been many others not so famous, and he's most probably not the only
benevolent entity in the cosmos, so why assume that it must be him?
I see no reason not to, whoever He is, He doesn't mind being called *Jesus*
Is it just because the bible raves about him? Maybe his operating style is
a
standard in the upper realms.
You forget that you are talking with a MYSTIC, is such supposed to bother me
somehow ?
How do they know it's the biblical Jesus and not some
other benevolent cosmic entity that's attached itself to them?
No way to know for sure, admittingly, but if He isn't, He sure is a pro
impostor
Either that or the churches did a big beat up on the original story.
It wouldn't be the first time a story was over sensationalised.
As I do not worship some book, it really doesn't matter to me. But what you
say could very well be true.
Has the entity positively identified itself to them or are they just
making
an assumption it's him and hoping for the best?
He has, in His own way, but such still leaves *us hoping for the best
Maybe the entity figured he'd better stick to a figure you can relate to
so
he doesn't complicate matters by trying to explain who and what he is.
Maybe
*us, because I know a few who appear to have the same *benevolent cosmic
entity* attached to them, as the one I know
Maybe all benevolent entities are the same in their ways.
To the receiver, compassion is compassion no matter who's giving it.
Very true.
Are you trying to get somewhere with this ?
JD
G(CM)
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| User: "JD" |
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26 Jun 2004 06:55:17 PM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"JD" <jd@slowtrain.com> wrote in message
news:40dcbeb5$0$18190$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Jesus is not the first to show love and compassion to the weak. There
have
been many others not so famous, and he's most probably not the only
benevolent entity in the cosmos, so why assume that it must be him?
I see no reason not to, whoever He is, He doesn't mind being called
*Jesus*
Since they don't use names in the upper realms, he/it won't really care what
you choose to call it.
Is it just because the bible raves about him? Maybe his operating style
is
a
standard in the upper realms.
You forget that you are talking with a MYSTIC, is such supposed to bother
me
somehow ?
It's just that it's not wise to give your life and energy to something you
cannot readily identify because any entity can emulate benevolence and any
entity can quote scripture and the human race is a very attractive target to
certain lower astral realm (4th dimensional) entities who like to manipulate
lower life forms than themselves.
All they need is your consent and they can do with you what ever they want.
If getting your consent requires them to answer to a name from an old human
book then they'll do that no problem.
Either that or the churches did a big beat up on the original story.
It wouldn't be the first time a story was over sensationalised.
As I do not worship some book,
Oh, but you do worship a book. Think about it.
it really doesn't matter to me. But what you
say could very well be true.
If you knew what they do then you would be very concerned.
Are you trying to get somewhere with this ?
I'm just curious to see whether christians really know or care who or what
they're selling their souls to.
Also I don't like seeing good people get taken for a ride by opportunistic
entities and church dogmas.
J
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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28 Jun 2004 10:04:31 PM |
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"JD" <jd@slowtrain.com> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:10drdio5rbet790@corp.supernews.com...
"JD" <jd@slowtrain.com> wrote in message
news:40dcbeb5$0$18190$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Jesus is not the first to show love and compassion to the weak. There
have
been many others not so famous, and he's most probably not the only
benevolent entity in the cosmos, so why assume that it must be him?
I see no reason not to, whoever He is, He doesn't mind being called
*Jesus*
Since they don't use names in the upper realms, he/it won't really care
what
you choose to call it.
Is it just because the bible raves about him? Maybe his operating
style is a
standard in the upper realms.
You forget that you are talking with a MYSTIC, is such supposed to
bother me
somehow ?
It's just that it's not wise to give your life and energy to something you
cannot readily identify because any entity can emulate benevolence and any
entity can quote scripture and the human race is a very attractive target
to
certain lower astral realm (4th dimensional) entities who like to
manipulate
lower life forms than themselves.
All they need is your consent and they can do with you what ever they
want.
If getting your consent requires them to answer to a name from an old
human
book then they'll do that no problem.
Either that or the churches did a big beat up on the original story.
It wouldn't be the first time a story was over sensationalised.
As I do not worship some book,
Oh, but you do worship a book. Think about it.
Obviously, you haven't read many of my posts, or you would know, that I
don't
it really doesn't matter to me. But what you
say could very well be true.
If you knew what they do then you would be very concerned.
I know what *Jesus* has done in my life, and thus am not the least bit
concerned.
Are you trying to get somewhere with this ?
I'm just curious to see whether christians really know or care who or what
they're selling their souls to.
I know what I am into
Also I don't like seeing good people get taken for a ride by opportunistic
entities and church dogmas.
Worry not, I have committed myself into good hands.
J
G(CM)
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