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Authority of the Bible
Written by Patrick Zukeran
This article is also available in Spanish.
There are many books today that claim to be the Word of God. The Koran,
the Bhagavad Gita, The Book of Mormon, and other religious works all
claim to be divinely inspired. The Bible claims to be the only book that is
divinely inspired and that all other claims of inspiration from other works
should be ruled out. Does the Bible confirm its exclusive claim to be the
Word of God? The totality of evidences presents a strong case for the divine
inspiration of the Bible.
The strongest argument for the divine inspiration of the Bible is the testimony
of Jesus. Jesus claimed to be the divine Son of God and confirmed His
claims through His sinless, miraculous life and resurrection. The events of His
life have been recorded in the four Gospels, which have proven to be
historically accurate and written by first century eyewitnesses.{1} Since
Jesus is God incarnate, whatever He taught is true, and anything opposed to
His teaching is false.
Jesus directly affirmed the authority of the Old Testament and indirectly
affirmed the New Testament. In Luke 11:51, Jesus identified the prophets
and the canon of the Old Testament. He names Abel as the first prophet
from Genesis, and Zechariah the last prophet mentioned in 2 Chronicles, the
last book in the Jewish Old Testament (which contains the same books we
have today although placed in a different order). In Mark 7:8-9, Jesus refers
to the Old Testament as the "commands of God." In Matthew 5:17, Jesus
states that the "Law and the Prophets" referring to the Old Testament is
authoritative and imperishable. Throughout His ministry, Jesus made clear
His teachings, corrections, and actions were consistent with the Old
Testament. He also judged others' teachings and traditions by the Old
Testament. He thus demonstrated His affirmation of the Old Testament to be
the Word of God.
Jesus even specifically affirmed as historical several disputed stories of the
Old Testament. He affirms as true the accounts of Adam and Eve (Matthew
19:4-5), Noah and the flood (Matthew 24:39), Jonah and the whale
(Matthew 12:40), Sodom and Gomorrah (Matthew 10:15), and more.
Jesus confirmed the Old Testament and promised that the Holy Spirit would
inspire the apostles in the continuation of His teaching and in the writing of
what would become the New Testament (John 14:25-26 and John
16:12-13). The apostles demonstrated that they came with the authority of
God through the miracles they performed as Jesus and the Prophets did
before them. The book of Acts, which records the miracles of the apostles,
has also proven to be a historically accurate record written by a first century
eyewitness.
Prophecy
Many religious books claim to be divinely inspired, but only the Bible has
evidence of supernatural confirmation. We have seen that Jesus, being God
incarnate, affirms the inspiration of the Bible. Another evidence of
supernatural confirmation is the testimony of prophecy. The biblical authors
made hundreds of specific prophecies of future events that have come to
pass in the manner they were predicted. No book in history can compare to
the Bible when it comes to the fulfillment of prophecy.
Here are some examples. Ezekiel 26, which was written in 587 B.C.,
predicted the destruction of Tyre, a city made up of two parts: a mainland
port city, and an island city half a mile off shore. Ezekiel prophesied that
Nebuchadnezzar would destroy the city, many nations would fight against
her, the debris of the city would be thrown into the ocean, the city would
never be found again, and fishermen would come there to lay their nets.
In 573 B.C., Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the mainland city of Tyre. Many of
the refugees of the city sailed to the island, and the island city of Tyre
remained a powerful city. In 333 B.C., however, Alexander the Great laid
siege to Tyre. Using the rubble of mainland Tyre, he built a causeway to the
island city of Tyre. He then captured and completely destroyed the city.
Today, Tyre is a small fishing town where fishing boats come to rest and
fisherman spread their nets. The great ancient city of Tyre to this day lies
buried in ruins exactly as prophesied. If we were to calculate the odds of this
event happening by chance, the figures would be astronomical. No, it was
not by coincidence.{2}
Here's another example. There are nearly one hundred prophecies made
about Jesus in the Old Testament, prophecies such as His place of birth,
how he would die, His rejection by the nation of Israel, and so on. All these
prophecies were made hundreds of years before Jesus ever came to earth.
Because of the accuracy of the prophecies, many skeptics have believed that
they must have been written after A.D. 70-after the birth and death of
Jesus and the destruction of Jerusalem. They have thereby tried to deny that
they are even prophecies.
However, in 1947 the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered. These scrolls
contained the book of Isaiah and other prophetic books. When dated, they
were found to be written from 120 to 100 B.C.,{3} well before Jesus was
born. It would have been an incredible accomplishment for Jesus to have
fulfilled the numerous prophecies. Some say these prophecies were fulfilled
by chance, but the odds against this would be exceptionally large. It would
take more a greater leap of faith to believe in that chance happening than in
the fact that Jesus is God and these prophecies are divinely inspired.
The record of prophecy is thus evidence for the unique and supernatural
origin of the Bible.
Unity
The Bible is the only book with supernatural confirmation to support its claim
of divine inspiration. The testimony of Christ and the legacy of prophecy are
two proofs for inspiration. A third line of evidence is the unity of the Bible.
The Bible covers hundreds of topics, yet it does not contradict itself. It
remains united in its theme. "Well, what's so amazing about that?" you may
ask. Consider these facts. First, the Bible was written over a span of fifteen
hundred years. Second, it was written by more than forty men from every
walk of life. For example, Moses was educated in Egypt, Peter was a
fisherman, Solomon was a king, Luke was a doctor, Amos was a shepherd,
and Matthew was a tax collector. All the writers were of vastly different
occupations and backgrounds.
Third, it was written in many different places. The Bible was written on three
different continents: Asia, Africa, and Europe. Moses wrote in the desert of
Sinai, Paul wrote in a prison in Rome, Daniel wrote in exile in Babylon, and
Ezra wrote in the ruined city of Jerusalem.
Fourth, it was written under many different circumstances. David wrote
during a time of war, Jeremiah wrote at the sorrowful time of Israel's
downfall, Peter wrote while Israel was under Roman domination, and Joshua
wrote while invading the land of Canaan.
Fifth, the writers had different purposes for writing. Isaiah wrote to warn
Israel of God's coming judgment on their sin; Matthew wrote to prove to the
Jews that Jesus is the Messiah; Zechariah wrote to encourage a disheartened
Israel who had returned from Babylonian exile; and Paul wrote addressing
problems in different Asian and European churches.
If we put all these factors together-the Bible was written over fifteen
hundred years by forty different authors at different places, under various
circumstances, and addressing a multitude of issues-how amazing that with
such diversity, the Bible proclaims a unified message! That unity is organized
around one theme: God's redemption of man and all of creation. The writers
address numerous controversial subjects yet contradictions never appear.
The Bible is an incredible document.
Let me offer you a good illustration. Suppose ten medical students
graduating in the same year from medical school wrote position papers on
four controversial subjects. Would they all agree on each point? No, we
would have disagreements from one author to another. Now look at the
authorship of the Bible. All these authors, from a span of fifteen hundred
years, wrote on many controversial subjects, yet they do not contradict one
another.
It seems one author guided these writers through the whole process: the
Holy Spirit. 1 Peter 2:21 states, "No prophecy was ever made by an act of
human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God." The unity
of the Bible is just one more amazing proof of the divine inspiration and
authority of the Bible.
Archaeology
We've studied the testimony of Jesus, prophecy, and the unity of the Bible
as providing supernatural confirmation of the divine inspiration of the Bible.
Another line of evidence is archaeology. Archaeology does not directly
prove the Bible's inspiration, but it does prove its historical reliability.
Middle Eastern archaeological investigations have proven the Bible to be
true and unerringly accurate in its historical descriptions. Nelson Glueck, a
renowned Jewish archaeologist, states, "No archaeological discovery has
ever controverted a biblical reference."{4} Dr. William Albright, who was
probably the foremost authority in Middle East archaeology in his time, said
this about the Bible: "There can be no doubt that archaeology has confirmed
the substantial historicity of the Old Testament."{5} At this time, the number
of archaeological discoveries that relate to the Bible number in the hundreds
of thousands.{6}
Archaeology has verified numerous ancient sites, civilizations, and biblical
characters whose existence was questioned by the academic world and
often dismissed as myths. Biblical archaeology has silenced many critics as
new discoveries supported the facts of the Bible.
Here are a few examples of the historical accuracy of the Bible. The Bible
records that the Hittites were a powerful force in the Middle East from 1750
B.C. until 1200 B.C. (Genesis 15:20, 2 Samuel 11, and 1 Kings 10:29).
Prior to the late nineteenth century, nothing was known of the Hittites outside
the Bible, and many critics alleged that they were an invention of the biblical
authors.
However, in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries, archaeologists
in Turkey discovered a city which proved to be the capital of the Hittite
empire. In the city they discovered a massive library of thousands of tablets.
These tablets showed that the Hittite language was an early relative of the
Indo-European languages.
Another example is the story of Jericho recorded in the book of Joshua. For
years, skeptics thought the story of the falling walls of Jericho was a myth.
However, recent archaeological discoveries have led several prominent
scholars to conclude that the biblical description of the fall of Jericho is
consistent with the discoveries they have made. One of the leading
archaeologists on Jericho presently is Dr. Bryant Wood. His research has
shown that the archaeological evidence matches perfectly with the biblical
record.{7}
Archaeology has also demonstrated the accuracy of the New Testament.
One of the most well attested to New Testament authors is Luke. Scholars
have found him to be a very accurate historian, even in many of his details. In
the Gospel of Luke and Acts, "Luke names thirty-two countries, fifty-four
cities, and nine islands without error."{8} A. N. Sherwin-White states, "For
Acts the confirmation of historicity is overwhelming. . . . Any attempt to
reject its basic historicity must now appear absurd. Roman historians have
long taken it for granted."{9}
There is no other ancient book that has so much archaeological evidence to
support its accounts. Since God is a God of truth, we should expect His
revelation to present what is historically true. Archaeology presents tangible
proof of the historical accuracy of the Bible.
The Bible Alone Is God's Word
We have given several proofs for the divine inspiration of the Bible. These
include the testimony of Jesus the divine Son of God, prophecy, unity, and
archaeology. Accepting the divine inspiration of the Bible leads to the
conclusion that all other works cannot be divinely inspired. This does not
mean other works do not contain truth. All people are created in the image
of God and can articulate principles that are true. However, only the Bible
proves to be divinely inspired by God and therefore, other claims of divine
inspiration should be ruled out for several reasons.
The Bible is the only book that gives supernatural confirmation to support its
claim of divine inspiration. Other scriptures which contradict it cannot,
therefore, be true.
The law of non-contradiction states that two contradictory statements cannot
be true at the same time. If one proposition is known to be true, its opposite
must be false. If it is true that I am presently alive, it cannot also be true to
say that I am presently not alive. This is a universal law which is practiced
daily in every part of the world. Even if you claim, "the law of non-
contradiction is false," you are asserting this statement is true and its opposite
is false. In other words you end up appealing to the law you are trying to
deny thus making a self-defeating argument.
Since we have good reason to believe the Bible is the inspired word of God,
any teaching that contradicts the Bible must be false. The Bible makes
exclusive claims regarding God, truth and salvation that would exclude other
scriptures. The Bible teaches that any deity other than the God of the Bible is
a false deity (Exodus 20). Jesus declared that he is the divine Son of God,
the source of truth, and the only way to eternal life (John 1 & 14:6).
A look at a few works from other religions illustrates this point. The Hindu
scriptures include the Vedas and the Upanishads. These books present
views of God that are contrary to the Bible. The Vedas are polytheistic, and
the Upanishads present a pantheistic worldview of an impersonal divine
essence called Brahma, not a personal God.
The Koran, the holy book of Islam, denies the deity of Christ, the triune
nature of God, and the atoning work of Christ on the cross (Sura 4:116,
168). These are foundational truths taught in the Bible. The Pali Canon, the
holy scriptures of Southern Buddhism, teach a naturalistic worldview (or
pantheistic, as some schools interpret it). It also teaches salvation by works
and the doctrine of reincarnation. The worldview of the Pali Canon and its
view of salvation contradict biblical teachings. Since these works contradict
biblical teaching, we reject their claim to divine inspiration.
The Bible alone proves to be divinely inspired and its exclusive claims rule
out the claims of other books.
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Notes
For more information refer to the articles "The Historical Reliability of the
Gospels" (www.probe.org/content/view/678/77/) and "The Uniqueness of
Jesus" (www.probe.org/content/view/918/146/).
Ralph H. Alexander, "Ezekiel," in The Expositor's Bible Commentary, ed.
Frank E. Gaebelein (Grand Rapids: Zondervan, 1986), 869.
Norman Geisler and William Nix,A General Introduction to the Bible,
(Chicago, IL.: Moody Press, 1986), 364-367.
Nelson Glueck, Rivers in the Desert: A History of the Negev (New York:
Farrar, Strauss, and Cudahy, 1959), 31.
William F. Albright, Archaeology and the Religion of Israel (Baltimore: John
Hopkins, 1953), 176.
Randall Price, The Stones Cry Out (Eugene, OR.: Harvest House
Publishers, 1997), 25.
Ibid.,, 152-53.
Norman Geisler, Baker Encyclopedia of Christian Apologetics (Grand
Rapids: Baker, 1999), s.v., Archaeology, New Testament."
Josh McDowell, Evidence That Demands a Verdict (San Bernardino: Here's
Life Publishers,1999), 66.
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Title: Re: Authority of the Bible 12 Feb 2007 07:52:08 AM
"e" <0@john@14-6.info> wrote in news:rrSzh.11895$c%2.8444@newsfe12.phx:

Authority of the Bible
Written by Patrick Zukeran

This article is also available in Spanish.

There are many books today that claim to be the Word of God. The
Koran, the Bhagavad Gita, The Book of Mormon, and other religious
works all claim to be divinely inspired. The Bible claims to be the
only book that is divinely inspired and that all other claims of
inspiration from other works should be ruled out. Does the Bible

This is an interesting claim. Where does the Bible make this claim?

confirm its exclusive claim to be the Word of God? The totality of
evidences presents a strong case for the divine inspiration of the
Bible.
The strongest argument for the divine inspiration of the Bible is the
testimony of Jesus. Jesus claimed to be the divine Son of God and
confirmed His claims through His sinless, miraculous life and
resurrection. The events of His life have been recorded in the four
Gospels, which have proven to be historically accurate and written by
first century eyewitnesses.{1} Since Jesus is God incarnate, whatever
He taught is true, and anything opposed to His teaching is false.

The four gospels are actually somewhat inconsistent about some fairly
important details in the history of Jesus' ministry. That does not mean
they are useless, just that the authors wrote well after the events (and
were not necessarily eyewitnesses, though there is reason to believe they
interviewed a number of them).

Jesus directly affirmed the authority of the Old Testament and
indirectly affirmed the New Testament. In Luke 11:51, Jesus identified
the prophets and the canon of the Old Testament. He names Abel as the

Actually no He did not. He did cite the Old Testament, especially the
Law. But at no time did He declare any of it infallible in any
scientific meaning of the word.

first prophet from Genesis, and Zechariah the last prophet mentioned
in 2 Chronicles, the last book in the Jewish Old Testament (which
contains the same books we have today although placed in a different
order). In Mark 7:8-9, Jesus refers to the Old Testament as the
"commands of God." In Matthew 5:17, Jesus states that the "Law and the
Prophets" referring to the Old Testament is authoritative and
imperishable. Throughout His ministry, Jesus made clear His teachings,
corrections, and actions were consistent with the Old Testament. He
also judged others' teachings and traditions by the Old Testament. He
thus demonstrated His affirmation of the Old Testament to be the Word
of God.

Quite the contrary. He implied that they WOULD pass away when all was
fulfilled.

Jesus even specifically affirmed as historical several disputed
stories of the Old Testament. He affirms as true the accounts of Adam
and Eve (Matthew 19:4-5), Noah and the flood (Matthew 24:39), Jonah
and the whale (Matthew 12:40), Sodom and Gomorrah (Matthew 10:15), and
more.

Again, there is no sign that He actually did these things you claim.
Instead, you seem to be inferring these things from your own dogmatic
position re the Bible, and imputing them to Jesus every time He cites
scripture to illuminate His own stories.

Jesus confirmed the Old Testament and promised that the Holy Spirit
would inspire the apostles in the continuation of His teaching and in
the writing of what would become the New Testament (John 14:25-26 and
John 16:12-13). The apostles demonstrated that they came with the
authority of God through the miracles they performed as Jesus and the
Prophets did before them. The book of Acts, which records the miracles
of the apostles, has also proven to be a historically accurate record
written by a first century eyewitness.

Prophecy
Many religious books claim to be divinely inspired, but only the Bible
has evidence of supernatural confirmation. We have seen that Jesus,

Another interesting claim. What evidence? Which Bible? The Bible does
not even self-reference. There is no "inspired" table of contents at
all.

being God incarnate, affirms the inspiration of the Bible. Another
evidence of supernatural confirmation is the testimony of prophecy.
The biblical authors made hundreds of specific prophecies of future
events that have come to pass in the manner they were predicted. No
book in history can compare to the Bible when it comes to the
fulfillment of prophecy.

Really? I've heard the same said of a number of other works, butressed
with "proof" of similar quality.

Here are some examples. Ezekiel 26, which was written in 587 B.C.,
predicted the destruction of Tyre, a city made up of two parts: a
mainland port city, and an island city half a mile off shore. Ezekiel
prophesied that Nebuchadnezzar would destroy the city, many nations
would fight against her, the debris of the city would be thrown into
the ocean, the city would never be found again, and fishermen would
come there to lay their nets.

In 573 B.C., Nebuchadnezzar destroyed the mainland city of Tyre. Many
of the refugees of the city sailed to the island, and the island city
of Tyre remained a powerful city. In 333 B.C., however, Alexander the
Great laid siege to Tyre. Using the rubble of mainland Tyre, he built
a causeway to the island city of Tyre. He then captured and completely
destroyed the city.

Today, Tyre is a small fishing town where fishing boats come to rest
and fisherman spread their nets. The great ancient city of Tyre to
this day lies buried in ruins exactly as prophesied. If we were to
calculate the odds of this event happening by chance, the figures
would be astronomical. No, it was not by coincidence.{2}
Here's another example. There are nearly one hundred prophecies made
about Jesus in the Old Testament, prophecies such as His place of
birth, how he would die, His rejection by the nation of Israel, and so
on. All these prophecies were made hundreds of years before Jesus ever
came to earth. Because of the accuracy of the prophecies, many
skeptics have believed that they must have been written after A.D.
70-after the birth and death of Jesus and the destruction of
Jerusalem. They have thereby tried to deny that they are even
prophecies.

However, in 1947 the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered. These scrolls
contained the book of Isaiah and other prophetic books. When dated,
they were found to be written from 120 to 100 B.C.,{3} well before
Jesus was born. It would have been an incredible accomplishment for
Jesus to have fulfilled the numerous prophecies. Some say these
prophecies were fulfilled by chance, but the odds against this would
be exceptionally large. It would take more a greater leap of faith to
believe in that chance happening than in the fact that Jesus is God
and these prophecies are divinely inspired.

The record of prophecy is thus evidence for the unique and
supernatural origin of the Bible.

Of course you must understand that Jesus deliberately set out to fulfill
prophecy. And He succeeded, which He could not do if He were not truly
the One prophesied. But you're assuming that the collection YOU know as
the "Holy Bible" is actually something written by God, channelled through
prophets. That's not how it works, child. Men (and women) are INSPIRED
by God, through a personal relationship with Him to write. The CHURCH is
the authority that DEFINES scripture, though. It HAS to be that way
because scripture does not define itself.

Unity
The Bible is the only book with supernatural confirmation to support
its claim of divine inspiration. The testimony of Christ and the
legacy of prophecy are two proofs for inspiration. A third line of
evidence is the unity of the Bible.

It's easy to achieve some sort of unity when the priests select the works
to include.

The Bible covers hundreds of topics, yet it does not contradict
itself. It remains united in its theme. "Well, what's so amazing about

This is simply false to fact. There are certain things included in the
canon that are mutually self-contradictory. There is a good deal more
that is flatly contradicted by available physical evidence.

that?" you may ask. Consider these facts. First, the Bible was written
over a span of fifteen hundred years. Second, it was written by more
than forty men from every walk of life. For example, Moses was
educated in Egypt, Peter was a fisherman, Solomon was a king, Luke was
a doctor, Amos was a shepherd, and Matthew was a tax collector. All
the writers were of vastly different occupations and backgrounds.

So?

Third, it was written in many different places. The Bible was written
on three different continents: Asia, Africa, and Europe. Moses wrote
in the desert of Sinai, Paul wrote in a prison in Rome, Daniel wrote
in exile in Babylon, and Ezra wrote in the ruined city of Jerusalem.

Actually, Ezra did more than write. The Old Testament, as WE know it is
almost entirely his work in the sense that he collected it and redacted
it.

Fourth, it was written under many different circumstances. David wrote
during a time of war, Jeremiah wrote at the sorrowful time of Israel's
downfall, Peter wrote while Israel was under Roman domination, and
Joshua wrote while invading the land of Canaan.

Fifth, the writers had different purposes for writing. Isaiah wrote to
warn Israel of God's coming judgment on their sin; Matthew wrote to
prove to the Jews that Jesus is the Messiah; Zechariah wrote to
encourage a disheartened Israel who had returned from Babylonian
exile; and Paul wrote addressing problems in different Asian and
European churches.

If we put all these factors together-the Bible was written over
fifteen hundred years by forty different authors at different places,
under various circumstances, and addressing a multitude of issues-how
amazing that with such diversity, the Bible proclaims a unified
message! That unity is organized around one theme: God's redemption of
man and all of creation. The writers address numerous controversial
subjects yet contradictions never appear. The Bible is an incredible
document.

Again, you should do your scholarship better. There are numerous (if
inconsequential) contradictions. In fact, the gospels would be suspect
without such difficulties.

Let me offer you a good illustration. Suppose ten medical students
graduating in the same year from medical school wrote position papers
on four controversial subjects. Would they all agree on each point?
No, we would have disagreements from one author to another. Now look
at the authorship of the Bible. All these authors, from a span of
fifteen hundred years, wrote on many controversial subjects, yet they
do not contradict one another.

You keep reiterating this falsehood as if repeating it would make it
true.

It seems one author guided these writers through the whole process:
the Holy Spirit. 1 Peter 2:21 states, "No prophecy was ever made by an
act of human will, but men moved by the Holy Spirit spoke from God."
The unity of the Bible is just one more amazing proof of the divine
inspiration and authority of the Bible.

No, actually it is quite apparent that there were many authors, and that
they were somewhat embedded in their own times and cultures.

Archaeology
We've studied the testimony of Jesus, prophecy, and the unity of the
Bible as providing supernatural confirmation of the divine inspiration
of the Bible. Another line of evidence is archaeology. Archaeology
does not directly prove the Bible's inspiration, but it does prove its
historical reliability.

Uh, actually it doesn't. It does give support to SOME of it, but other
things don't work right at all. Especially if you try to tape Ussher's
chronology to, say, Joshua's visit to Jericho. Or if you try to figure
out where the flood layer is, just about anywhere on earth.

Middle Eastern archaeological investigations have proven the Bible to
be true and unerringly accurate in its historical descriptions. Nelson

Bzzt! False witness alert! Bibliolatry isn't Christianity.

Glueck, a renowned Jewish archaeologist, states, "No archaeological
discovery has ever controverted a biblical reference."{4} Dr. William
Albright, who was probably the foremost authority in Middle East
archaeology in his time, said this about the Bible: "There can be no
doubt that archaeology has confirmed the substantial historicity of
the Old Testament."{5} At this time, the number of archaeological
discoveries that relate to the Bible number in the hundreds of
thousands.{6}

Archaeology has verified numerous ancient sites, civilizations, and
biblical characters whose existence was questioned by the academic
world and often dismissed as myths. Biblical archaeology has silenced
many critics as new discoveries supported the facts of the Bible.


Here are a few examples of the historical accuracy of the Bible. The
Bible records that the Hittites were a powerful force in the Middle
East from 1750 B.C. until 1200 B.C. (Genesis 15:20, 2 Samuel 11, and 1
Kings 10:29). Prior to the late nineteenth century, nothing was known
of the Hittites outside the Bible, and many critics alleged that they
were an invention of the biblical authors.

However, in the late nineteenth and early twentieth centuries,
archaeologists in Turkey discovered a city which proved to be the
capital of the Hittite empire. In the city they discovered a massive
library of thousands of tablets. These tablets showed that the Hittite
language was an early relative of the Indo-European languages.

Another example is the story of Jericho recorded in the book of
Joshua. For years, skeptics thought the story of the falling walls of
Jericho was a myth. However, recent archaeological discoveries have
led several prominent scholars to conclude that the biblical
description of the fall of Jericho is consistent with the discoveries
they have made. One of the leading archaeologists on Jericho presently
is Dr. Bryant Wood. His research has shown that the archaeological
evidence matches perfectly with the biblical record.{7}

Oh, the walls fell. But at the time the Ussher chronology places Joshua
there, the place was a ghost town. Interestingly, there is no evidence
that the place was EVER flooded in geologically recent times. Which is
somewhat interesting, given its elevation.

Archaeology has also demonstrated the accuracy of the New Testament.
One of the most well attested to New Testament authors is Luke.
Scholars have found him to be a very accurate historian, even in many
of his details. In the Gospel of Luke and Acts, "Luke names thirty-two
countries, fifty-four cities, and nine islands without error."{8} A.
N. Sherwin-White states, "For Acts the confirmation of historicity is
overwhelming. . . . Any attempt to reject its basic historicity must
now appear absurd. Roman historians have long taken it for
granted."{9}

Luke's works do give a pretty clear picture of 1st century Greco-Roman
culture and history. That much is true.

There is no other ancient book that has so much archaeological
evidence to support its accounts. Since God is a God of truth, we
should expect His revelation to present what is historically true.
Archaeology presents tangible proof of the historical accuracy of the
Bible.

You're assuming what you're trying to prove here. IF (and only if)
scripture is God's direct revelation to man, we can treat it as absolute
truth (assuming we actually understand it). But if it was (as the
apostle tells us) mediated by men, then it is not and never was totally
inerrant on all subjects. Moreover, since ANY writing taken out of its
historic and cultural context requires interpretation, there is no
guarantee that any modern intepretation gives a correct idea of what the
author was trying to say.

The Bible Alone Is God's Word

The Bible says otherwise. It says that Jesus Christ is God's Word. And,
in case you hadn't noticed, it says that He is not dead.
Methinks that you have made a book your God and your private interpreters
your high priests.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
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User: "Libertarius"

Title: Re: Authority of the Bible - THE STONGEST ARGUMENT? 15 Feb 2007 12:52:40 PM
e wrote:

Authority of the Bible
Written by Patrick Zukeran

This article is also available in Spanish.

There are many books today that claim to be the Word of God. The Koran,
the Bhagavad Gita, The Book of Mormon, and other religious works all
claim to be divinely inspired. The Bible claims to be the only book that is
divinely inspired and that all other claims of inspiration from other works
should be ruled out. Does the Bible confirm its exclusive claim to be the
Word of God? The totality of evidences presents a strong case for the divine
inspiration of the Bible.

The strongest argument for the divine inspiration of the Bible is the testimony
of Jesus.

===>WOW!
So, you admit all othger arguments are weak.
Your "strongest argument"?
The "testimony" of a made-up charcter in some books of pious fiction!
And he never even says anything about any "Bible"!
There was no "Bible" until the Catholic Church authorities selected,
edited and compiled a bunch of ancient writings in a book they named the
"Holy Books" (HAGIA BIBLIA).
So much for your "arguments"! ;-) -- L.
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User: "duke"

Title: Re: Authority of the Bible - THE STONGEST ARGUMENT? 15 Feb 2007 01:47:21 PM
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:52:40 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:

The strongest argument for the divine inspiration of the Bible is the testimony
of Jesus.

===>WOW!
So, you admit all othger arguments are weak.
Your "strongest argument"?

Yours are especially weak.

The "testimony" of a made-up charcter in some books of pious fiction!
And he never even says anything about any "Bible"!

He "DOESN'T"? That's because the bible, the Gospels part, is his words.
He mentions those books that proceed him numerous times. And that he came to
fulfill them and bring a new covenant.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
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User: "Libertarius"

Title: Re: Authority of the Bible - THE STONGEST ARGUMENT? 15 Feb 2007 06:56:16 PM
duke wrote:

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 11:52:40 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:



The strongest argument for the divine inspiration of the Bible is the testimony
of Jesus.


===>WOW!
So, you admit all othger arguments are weak.
Your "strongest argument"?



Yours are especially weak.

===>NONSENSE RESPONSE!
I never argue in favor of "divine inspiration."



The "testimony" of a made-up charcter in some books of pious fiction!
And he never even says anything about any "Bible"!



He "DOESN'T"? That's because the bible, the Gospels part, is his words.

===>The "Gospels" contain some words ATTRIBUTED to their main character,
the fictional "Jesus".
But they NEVER claim he said anything about any "Bible".
So, how could the NON EXISTING "testimony of Jesus" be an argument
"for the divine inspiration of the Bible"?


He mentions those books that proceed him numerous times.

===>The writers make some references to some Hebrew texts,
but they NEVER claim that their "Jesus" said anything about the
"Bible".
Why not?
There was no "Bible" at the time they wrote their fictional stories.
It was created centuries later by the Catholic Church. -- L.
.
User: "duke"

Title: Re: Authority of the Bible - THE STONGEST ARGUMENT? 16 Feb 2007 07:57:14 AM
On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:56:16 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:

The strongest argument for the divine inspiration of the Bible is the testimony
of Jesus.

===>WOW!
So, you admit all othger arguments are weak.
Your "strongest argument"?


Yours are especially weak.

===>NONSENSE RESPONSE!
I never argue in favor of "divine inspiration."

It's there.

The "testimony" of a made-up charcter in some books of pious fiction!
And he never even says anything about any "Bible"!

He "DOESN'T"? That's because the bible, the Gospels part, is his words.


===>The "Gospels" contain some words ATTRIBUTED to their main character,
the fictional "Jesus".
But they NEVER claim he said anything about any "Bible".

That's what I said. The NT starts with his presence. The only thing he can
refer to is the OT, and bringing us the New Way.

So, how could the NON EXISTING "testimony of Jesus" be an argument
"for the divine inspiration of the Bible"?

I don't think even you understand what you said there.

He mentions those books that proceed him numerous times.

===>The writers make some references to some Hebrew texts,
but they NEVER claim that their "Jesus" said anything about the
"Bible".

Now there's one that shows you have no idea what "bible" means.

Why not?
There was no "Bible" at the time they wrote their fictional stories.
It was created centuries later by the Catholic Church. -- L.

Get a dictionary and you might even answer your own false accusation.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
User: "Libertarius"

Title: Re: Authority of the Bible - THE STONGEST ARGUMENT? 16 Feb 2007 11:14:52 AM
duke wrote:

On Thu, 15 Feb 2007 17:56:16 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:


The strongest argument for the divine inspiration of the Bible is the testimony
of Jesus.



===>WOW!
So, you admit all othger arguments are weak.
Your "strongest argument"?




Yours are especially weak.


===>NONSENSE RESPONSE!
I never argue in favor of "divine inspiration."



It's there.

===>What is "it" and WHERE?



The "testimony" of a made-up charcter in some books of pious fiction!
And he never even says anything about any "Bible"!



He "DOESN'T"? That's because the bible, the Gospels part, is his words.


===>The "Gospels" contain some words ATTRIBUTED to their main character,
the fictional "Jesus".
But they NEVER claim he said anything about any "Bible".



That's what I said. The NT starts with his presence. The only thing he can
refer to is the OT, and bringing us the New Way.

===>Only the "presence" of a fictional character in a story,
whos references to Hebrew books is what the author is aware of.



So, how could the NON EXISTING "testimony of Jesus" be an argument
"for the divine inspiration of the Bible"?



I don't think even you understand what you said there.

===>Of course I do.
Sorry you can't.



He mentions those books that proceed him numerous times.


===>The writers make some references to some Hebrew texts,
but they NEVER claim that their "Jesus" said anything about the
"Bible".



Now there's one that shows you have no idea what "bible" means.

===>The "Bible" is English short form for "HAGIA BIBLIA"
i.e. the books compiled by the Catholic Church.



Why not?
There was no "Bible" at the time they wrote their fictional stories.
It was created centuries later by the Catholic Church. -- L.



Get a dictionary and you might even answer your own false accusation.

===>I have plenty of dictionaries.
"the collection of sacred writings of the Christian religion, comprising
the Old and New Testaments"
The word comes from Greek BIBLION, meaning a papyrus roll, strip of
papyrus, originally from the Phoenician port of Býblos, where papyrus
was prepared and exported).
Of course there are books, reference works, periodicals, etc., accepted
as authoritative, informative, or reliable, also referred to as "Bible.
However, in a Christian context, e.g. the SUBJECT of this thread,
"BIBLE" means just what I said. -- L.
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User: "duke"

Title: Re: Authority of the Bible - THE STONGEST ARGUMENT? 16 Feb 2007 12:17:03 PM
On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:14:52 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:

That's what I said. The NT starts with his presence. The only thing he can
refer to is the OT, and bringing us the New Way.

===>Only the "presence" of a fictional character in a story,
whos references to Hebrew books is what the author is aware of.

What have you got that says he's fictional?

So, how could the NON EXISTING "testimony of Jesus" be an argument
"for the divine inspiration of the Bible"?

I don't think even you understand what you said there.

===>Of course I do.
Sorry you can't.

When you don't know what you said, it's hard for me to know what you said.

He mentions those books that proceed him numerous times.

===>The writers make some references to some Hebrew texts,
but they NEVER claim that their "Jesus" said anything about the
"Bible".


Now there's one that shows you have no idea what "bible" means.

===>The "Bible" is English short form for "HAGIA BIBLIA"
i.e. the books compiled by the Catholic Church.

You confirm that you have no idea what "bible" means.

Why not?
There was no "Bible" at the time they wrote their fictional stories.
It was created centuries later by the Catholic Church. -- L.


Get a dictionary and you might even answer your own false accusation.

===>I have plenty of dictionaries.
"the collection of sacred writings of the Christian religion, comprising
the Old and New Testaments"
The word comes from Greek BIBLION, meaning a papyrus roll, strip of
papyrus, originally from the Phoenician port of Býblos, where papyrus
was prepared and exported).

So what does "bible" mean?
Just remember, there was no NT for Jesus us refer to. He starts the NT in his
own words and works.
duke, American-American
*****
"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
*****
.
User: "Libertarius"

Title: Re: Authority of the Bible - THE STONGEST ARGUMENT? 16 Feb 2007 07:11:49 PM
duke wrote:

On Fri, 16 Feb 2007 10:14:52 -0700, Libertarius
<Libertarius@nothingbutthe.truth> wrote:


That's what I said. The NT starts with his presence. The only thing he can
refer to is the OT, and bringing us the New Way.



===>Only the "presence" of a fictional character in a story,
whos references to Hebrew books is what the author is aware of.



What have you got that says he's fictional?

===>I can read and learned to tell the difference between
fact and fiction.
Why can't you?



So, how could the NON EXISTING "testimony of Jesus" be an argument
"for the divine inspiration of the Bible"?


I don't think even you understand what you said there.



===>Of course I do.
Sorry you can't.



When you don't know what you said, it's hard for me to know what you said.

===>Oh, but I do know.
But you seem to be unable.



He mentions those books that proceed him numerous times.



===>The writers make some references to some Hebrew texts,
but they NEVER claim that their "Jesus" said anything about the
"Bible".




Now there's one that shows you have no idea what "bible" means.



===>The "Bible" is English short form for "HAGIA BIBLIA"
i.e. the books compiled by the Catholic Church.



You confirm that you have no idea what "bible" means.

===>See below.



Why not?
There was no "Bible" at the time they wrote their fictional stories.
It was created centuries later by the Catholic Church. -- L.




Get a dictionary and you might even answer your own false accusation.



===>I have plenty of dictionaries.
"the collection of sacred writings of the Christian religion, comprising
the Old and New Testaments"
The word comes from Greek BIBLION, meaning a papyrus roll, strip of
papyrus, originally from the Phoenician port of Býblos, where papyrus
was prepared and exported).



So what does "bible" mean?

===>In this Newsgroup, it means the books compiled by the Catholic Church.
Look up "universe of discourse".


Just remember, there was no NT for Jesus us refer to.

===>Of course not.
Nor was there any "Jesus" to refer to ANYTHING.
He starts the NT in his

own words and works.

===>Flaunting your ignorance again?
The Pauline letters were written first, long before
any of the fictional "Gospels". -- L.
.








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