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Religions > Bible |
| User: |
"Bill" |
| Date: |
26 Mar 2006 11:30:35 AM |
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BASE YOUR LIFE ON FABLES? |
Intelligent adults do not normally believe in myths and fables.
They do not believe that Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Wizard of OZ,
Harry Potter or Aesop's Fables are real. They believe correctly that they
are fiction.
Do you want to base this only life on fictional tales?
Why do people believe in THOUSANDS of Gods? Again there is NO - NADA
objective verifiable evidence for the existence of any of these Gods. All
there are is ancient texts written by hundreds other men of totally unknown
veracity. There are no original documents in existence because they were
written on parchment which has long since rotted away. All that exists are
copies of copies etc. of unknown authenticity and veracity.
Isn't it logically obvious that if any of these documents were the word of
any 'real' god that he would have taken steps to preserve and demonstrate
their authenticity?
They are mostly myths, fables, contradictions and impossible tales.
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes? None of the ancient religious documents are any
objective 'evidence'. They are all documents written, hand copied,
interpreted, modified and further copied, over the centuries, by errant men
with their own personal and selfish motivations. These documents were all
written before the invention of the printing press.
Man can directly communicate with the whole world via TV, the Internet,
Phone and Radio. IF there is a real God, why does he not announce to the
whole world from his heaven, by at least an equally effective means, that he
is the real God and all the others are fakes? And why does he not tell us
clearly and directly what he expects from us instead of using hundreds of
vague, ancient, contradictory, unoriginal documents, compiled by different
religions and hundreds of men of unknown veracity? Why does he not expose
and smite all the false gods?
I'll tell you why. The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN
but quite the opposite; that man created gods!
There are thousands of different god beliefs. Here are just a few;
Baha'i Faith
Buddhism
Adventist
Jehovah's Witnesses
British Israelism
Southern Baptists
American Baptists
Christian Science
Amish
Brethren
Mennonites
Quakers
Shakers
Plymouth Brethren
Fundamentalists
Twin Oaks
Confucianism
Hinduism
Islam
Jainism
Judaism
Shinto
Sikhism
Taoism
Vodun (Voodoo)
Neopagan Religious Faiths
Asatru (Norse Paganism)
Druidism
Goddess Worship
Wicca
Witchcraft
Caodaism
Damanhur Community
Druse
Eckankar
Elian Gonzalez religious movement
Gnosticism
Gypsies
Hare Krishna - ISKCON
Lukumi
Macumba
Mowahhidoon
Native American Spirituality
Rom, Roma, Romani, Rroma, (a.k.a. Gypsies)
Santeria Elian Gonzalez religious movement
Satanism; The Church of Satan
Scientology
Unitarian-Universalism
The Creativity Movement
Zoroastrianism
Gods:
Ahura Mazda, Allah, Aphrodite, Ares, Athena, Apollo, Artemis, Babaluaye,
Bacchus,
Baldur, Bast, Bellona, Brahma, Brigid, Ceres, Cupid, Cerridwen,
Demeter, Diana, Dione, Dionysus, Eris, Eos, Eleggua, , El Shaddai, Elohim
Eshu, Ereshkigal,
Frigga, Frey, Freya, Gaea, Lord Genesa, Hades, Hebe, Hera, Helios, Hel,
Hephaestus,
Hermes, Hestia, Horus, Ibeji, Ifa, Inanna, Indra, Ishana, Ishtar,
Isis, Janus, Juno, Jehovah, Jove, Jupiter, Kali. Krishna Kronos, Korravai,
Loki, Lugh, Lord Indra, Manitou, Mars, Mercury, Minerva, Mercurius,
Morrigan,
Nahuiquiahuitl, Nanahuatzin, Nephthys, Neptune, Obatala, Odin, Ogun,
Oshosi, Oshun, Osiris, Oya, Orunmila, Olokun, Olodumare, Pluto,
Persephone, Poseidon, Proserpina, Quetzalcoatl, Ra, Lord Rama, Rhea, Saturn,
Set,
Selene, Shango, Lord Siva, Tammuz, Thor, Tir, Tiw, Uranus, Venus, Vesta,
Vishnu,
Vesta, Vulcan, Wotan, Yahweh, Yemaya, Zeus, XodA.
African gods:
Abassi [Sky]
Abonsam [Evil]
Abora [Supreme]
Abzu [Water]
Acoran [Supreme]
Adaheli [Sun]
Adro [Sky]
Adroa [Sky]
Agassou [Panther]
Agbe-Naete [Water]
Age [Animals]
Aigamuxa [Monster]
Ajalamo[Unborn Children]
Aje [Wealth]
Ajok [Supreme]
Akonadi [Oracle]
Akongo [Supreme]
Akuj [Supreme]
Ala [Earth/Fertility]
Alatangana [Creator]
Amma [Creator]
Anansi [Trickster]
Anyiewo [Snake]
Aondo [Creator]
Apa [Creator]
Apedemak [War]
Arawa [Moon]
Arebati [Sky]
Arom [Contracts]
Arsan Duolai [Underworld]
Asase Ya [Earth]
Ashiakle [Wealth]
Asis [Sun]
Astar [Sky]
Ataa Naa
Nyongmo
[Creator]
Ataokoloinona [Supreme]
Atete [Fertility]
Avrikiti [Fishermen]
Ayabba
[Ayaba] [Hearth]
Bacax [Cave]
Bagba [Wind]
Balubaal [Earth+]
Bandara [Superior Gods]
Banga [Clear water]
Behanzin [Fish]
Beher [Sea]
Bera Pennu [Vegetation]
Bo [Warriors]
Bomazi[Ancestors]
Buadza [WInd]
Buck[River]
Buku [Sky]
Bumba [Creator]
Cagn [Creator]
(!Kaggen)
Cghene [Creator]
Chiuke
(Chuku) [Creator]
Chiata [Supreme]
Chwezi [Hero]
Col [Rain]
Chikara [Sky]
Danh
(Dan Ayido Hwedo) [Snake]
Deng [Sky]
Deohako [Beans+]
Dii Mauri [Moorish Gods]
Dongo [Outer Space]
Dugbo [Earth]
Dxui [Creator]
Emeli-hi [Supreme]
Eranoranhan [Protector]
Eshu (Elegba) [Trickster]
Fa [Destiny]
Famien [Fertility]
Faro [Sky/Water]
Fidi Mukullu [Creator]
Garang and Abuk [First Humans]
Gbeni [Chief]
Gei (Gou) [Moon]
Gu [War/Smiths]
Gua [Sky]
Gulu [Supreme]
Gunab [Evil]
Guruhi [Evil]
Gurzil [Bull]
Gwalu [Rain]
Hammon [Setting Sun]
Harun and Haruna [Water Spirits]
Heitsi-Eibib [Sorcerer]
Hevioss [Thunder]
Huntin [Tree]
Huvean [Creator]
Ifa [Oracul]
Ikenga [Supreme]
Imana [Creator]
Iruwa [Sun]
Juok [Creator]
Kalumba [Creator]
Kalunga Supreme]
Katavi [Demonic]
Ka Tyeleo [Supreme]
Khebieso [Lightening]
Kho-dumo-dumo [Demon]
Kholomodumo [Monster]
Khuzwane [Creator]
Kibuka [War]
Kokola [Guardian]
Kwammang-a [Supreme]
Kwoth [Spirit]
Kyala [Creator]
Legba [Trickster]
Leza [Chief]
Libanza [Supreme]
Lisa [Chameleon]
Lyangombe[Chief]
Macardit [Demon]
Mantis [Creator]
Massim-Biambe [Creator]
Mawu [Sky]
Mawu-Lisa [Supreme Couple]
Mbotumbo [Supreme]
Medr [Earth]
Moomb [Creator]
Mon [?]
Mugasa
Mugu [Sky]
Mujaji [Rain]
Mukasa [Supreme]
Mula Djadi [Creator]
Muluku [Supreme]
Mulungu
Mungu [Creator]
Mungo (Mungu) [?]
Musa (Teaching]
Musisi [Supreme]
Mwari [Supreme]
Nampa [Personal]
Nana-Bouclou [First Gods]
Nana Buluk [Creator]
Ndjambi [Sky]
Ndriananahary [Supreme]
Nduru [Jungle]
Nenaunir [Storm]
Nesshoue [River]
Ngai ('Ngai) [Creator]
Ngewo-wa [Creator]
Ngworekara [Demon]
Niamye [Supreme]
Nkosi Yama'kosi [Supreme]
Nommo [Elemental]
Nommo [Spirit]
Nyama [Animal]
Nyambe [Supreme]
Nyambi (Nyambe) [Supreme]
Nyame
Nyami-Nyami [Guardian]
Nyankopon (Ashanti:Nyame) [Supreme]
Nyamia Ama [Supreme]
Nyasaye [Supeme]
Nzambi (Nzambi)
Mpunguo) [Supreme]
Nzame [Supreme]
Obassi Osaw [Supreme]
Obatala [Sky]
Oduduwa (Odudua) [Earth]
Ogun (Ogoun) War]
Olokula [Sea]
Olorun [Supreme]
Omumbo-Rombonga [Tree of Life]
Orahan [Supreme]
Orisa Nla [Creator]
Orishako [Agriculture]
Orunjan [Midday Sun]
Orunmila [Compassion]
Oshalla [?]
Osun [Beauty and Love]
Oya [Passion and Power]
Pemba (Bemba) Mother]
Qandisa [Demon]
Qamata[Quamta] Supreme]
Rock-Sene [Supreme]
Ruwa [Supreme]
Sagbata [Smallpox]
Sakarabru [Medicine]
Sakpata [Smallpox]
Sango [Thunder]
Shango [Thunder]
So [Lightening]
Tano [River]
Tore [Forest]
Trowu[Spirits]
Tsui'goab [Rain]
Twe [Lake]
Umvelinqangi [Creator]
Unkulunkulu [Supreme]
Unumbotte [Creator]
Waka [Rain]
Wele [Supreme]
Wulbari [Supreme]
Wuni [Supreme]
Xewioso [Thunder]
Yemaja [Creation]
Yo [Impersonal]
Zin [Water]
Table of Asian Gods:
BUDDHIST
Abhijnaraja [Physician]
Abhimukhi [One of the Bhumis]
Acala [?]
Adhimukticarya [One of the Bhumis]
Adhimuktivasita [One of the Bhumis]
Adibuddha [First]
Adidharma [Primeval]
Aizen Myo-o [Protective]
Ajaya [?]
Akasagarbha(Tibetan Nam-mkhai
Aksayajnana-Karmanda [Literature]
Aksobhya (Japanese Ashuku, Chinese A-Chu'u) [One of the Dhyani]
Amida [Savior]
Amitabha [A Dhyani]
Amitayus [Longevity]
Amoghapasa [see Avalokitesvara]
Amoghasiddhi [A Dhyani]
Anantamukhi [Literature]
Arapacana [Book and Sword]
Arcismati [Bhumis]
Arhat [A Saint]
Arthapratisamvit [Logical Analysis]
Arya-Tara [Sakti]
Asokakanta [avatar Marici]
Asokottamasri [Physician]
Astabhuja-Kurukulla [avatar Kurukulla]
Asura [Group of Demons]
Avalokitesvara(Avalokita, Lokesvara) [Dhyani Present Age]
Ayurvasita[One vasitas]
Balaparamita [Philosophy]
Bhaisajyaguru(Sman-bla, Otaci,Yao-shih-fo, Yakushi)[Physician]
Bhima[Attendant]
Bhrkuti[Female]
Bhrkuti-Tara [Mother]
Bhumi [Spiritual Spheres]
Bhutadarma [Demon Controller]
Bi-har [Protector]
Bodhidharma [Monk]
Bodhisattva (Chinese Pu-sa) [Born to be Englightened]
Buddhabodhiprabhavasita [Vasitas]
Buddhalocana [Female Buddha]
Budha [Mercury]
Butcho [?]
Chandarosana [Mahayana]
Charcika (Carcika) [Mahayana]
Chakravartin [World Ruler]
Chattrosnisa [An Usnisa]
Chaturmaharajas (Caturmaharajas) [Four Great Kings]
Chittavista [Vashitas]
Citipati [Graveyard Demons]
Cunda [Literature]
Da-shi-zhi [Bodhisattva]
Dadimunda [Temples]
Dainichi' [Purity/Wisdom]
Dakini [Demons]
Dala Kadavara [Demon]
Devaputra [Gods of Lower Rank]
Dhanada [avatar Amoghasiddhi]
Dharani [Mystical Texts]
Dharmadhatuvagisvara [Dharma]
Dharmakirtisagaraghosa [Physician]
Dharmamegha [Bhumis]
Dharmapala ,Chinese Fu Ha [Protective Dieties]
Dharmapratisamvit [Nature Analysis]
Dharmavasita [Vasitas]
Dhritarashtra (Pali Dhatarattha) [One of the 4 World Guardians]
Dhupa [Mother]
Dhupatara [Mahayana]
Dhvajagrakeyura [avatar Aksobhya]
Dhyanaparamita [Philosophy]
Dhyani-Bodhisattvas [Five Bodhisattvas]
Dhyani-Buddhas [Five Meditators]
Di-zang [Bodhisattvas of Hell]
Dvarapala [?]
Ekajata [Terrible]
Emma-o [Judges the Dead]
Fudo [WIsdom]
Guan Yin [bodhisattva]
Hariti [Ate Children]
Hayagriva [Protection]
Heruka [Protection]
Hevajra [Protection]
Ida-Ten [Law/Monestaries]
Jambhala [avatar Vausravana]
Janguli [Snakebite cure]
Jian Lao [Earth/Permanence]
Jizo [Compassion]
Juichimen [Mercy]
Kali devia [avatar Lha-mo]
Kannon [Japanese bodhisattva]
Khasarpana(Khasarpana-Lokesvara) [Indian bodhisattva]
Ki Fudo [avatar Fudo-Myo-o]
Krodhadevatas [Inspire Terror]
Ksitigarbha [One of 8 bodhisattva]
Kuan-yin (Kwannon) [Mercy]
Kujaku Myoo [Esoteric]
Kurukulla [?]
Locana [?]
Mahasthamaprata [Chinese bodhisattva]
Maitreya [Future]
Manjughosa [Nepalese bodhisattva]
Manjusri [bodhisattva]
Mara [Evil]
Marici [Sun]
Mi-lo Fo (Pu-Sa) [Chinese bodhisattva
Miroku [Japanese bodhisattva
Mo-Li [Protects Temples]
Padmanartesvara [avatar Bodhisattva Avalokitesvara]
Pancaraksa[5 Goddesses]
Pandara [?]
Paramasva [?]
Parnasavari [?]
Prajna [Femaleness]
Prajnaparamita [Buddhist Text]
Ran-deng [Beggar and Future Buddha]
Ratnapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
Ratnasambhava [Dhyani-Buddha]
Remanta [King of the Horse gods]
Sakyamuni [Japanese]
Samantabhadra [Bodhisattvas]
Saptaksara [avatar Heruka]
Shakra [King of the Gods]
Ssu Ta T'ien Wang [Kings of Heaven]
Sumbharaja [Buddhist Krodhadevata]
Tennin (Tennyo) [angels]
Usnisavijaya [?]
Vairocana [Dhyani-Buddhas]
Vaisravana (Pali Vessavana, Chinese Do Wen) [Guards World]
Vajrabhairava [?]
Vajrapani [Bodhisattvas]
Vajrasattva [Nepal Dhyani-Buddha]
Vajravarahi [?]
Vajrayogini [Initiation]
Vajrayogini [Riches]
Vidyadharas [?]
Vidyujjvalakarali [?]
Vighnantaka [?]
Virudhaka (Pali Virulha, Chinese Zheng Zhang) [Guards World]
Virupaksa (Pali Virupakkha, Chinese Guand Mu) [Guards Western Heaven]
Visvapani [Dhyani-Bodhisattva]
We-to [Divine General]
Yakushi Nyorai [Healing]
Yama [?]
Yamantaka [Krodhadevatas]
Zhu Dian (Zhu Tian) [Chinese Buddhist gods]
CHINESE GODS
Ao [Sea]
Awun [Destruction]
Ba [Drought]
Ba Gua [Basis of Divination]
Bo Hsian [Taoist]
Cai-Shen [Riches]
Can Cong [Silkworms]
Cao Guo-jiu [Actors]
Chang Fei [War]
Chang Hs'ien [Children]
Chang Kuo-lao [?]
Ch'ang E (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Moon]
Chang Tao Ling [Afterlife]
Cheng-huang (Ch'eng Huang) [Guardians]
Chen Jen [Spiritual Beings]
Cheng San-Kung [Fishermen]
Cheng Yuan Ho (Ch'ang-o Huang E) [Buskers]
Chih Nu [Weavers]
Chih Sung-Tzu (Chi Sung Tzu) [Rain]
Chih-Yu [Inventor]
Ch'in-Shu-Pao [Guardian]
Chou Wang [Sodomy]
Chu-Chuan Shen [Pigsties]
Chu Jung [Fire]
Chu Lung [Day/Night]
Chung K'uei [Afterlife]
Chung-li Ch'uan [Immortal]
Confucius [Philosopher]
Di Zhang Xia [?]
Dong-yo Da-di [Helps Sky God]
Erh-Lang [Guardian]
Fan-K'uei [Butchers]
Fei Lien (Fei Lian) [Wind]
Feng-Huang (Hoang-female Phuong-male) [Many Meanings]
Feng Po (Feng-Po) [Human form of the wind]
Feng P'o-p'o (Feng-Po-Po) [Female wind]
Fo [Buddha]
Fu His [Taught Humanity]
Fu Hsing [Happiness]
Fu Shen [Happiness]
Fu-Shou-Lu [Collection of Gods]
Fu-xi [Hero]
Gao Yao (Ting-jian) [Judgement]
Gong Gong [Common Workers]
Gou Mang and Ru Shou [Messengers]
Guan Di (Kuan Ti) [War/Fortune Telling]
Gui Xian [Demon]
Han Hsiang [Immortal]
Han Xiang-zi [Immortal]
He Bo (Bing-yi) [Rivers]
Heng E (Change-e) [Moon]
He Xian-gu [Immortal]
Heng-Ha-Erh-Chiang [Temples]
Heng-o [Moon]
Ho Hsien-ku [Immortal]
Ho Po [River]
Hou Chi [Harvest]
Hou I [Archer]
Hou T'u [Earth]
Hsien [Taoists]
Hsi Ho [Sun's Creator]
Hsi Wang Mu [Guardian]
Hsuan-T'ien-Shang-Ti [Dark Heaven]
Hua Hsien [Flower]
Huang-di (Huang Ti) (Shun) [Hero]
Huang Fei-hu (Fei) [Mountain]
Hu-Shen [Hail]
I [Bowmen]
Infoniwoo [Generation]
I-Ti [Wine]
K'ai Lu Shen [Purges Evil]
Kuan Yu [War]
K'uei Hsing [Examinations]
Lan Cai-he [Immortal]
Lao T'ien Yeh [Supreme]
Lao-Tzu (Lao-zi) [Philosopher]
Lei Kung [Storm]
Lei-zi [Thunder]
Li [Fire]
Li Tie-guai [Immortal]
Liu [Crops]
Lu Dong-bin (Lu Yan) [Immortal]
Lu-Hsing [Salaries/Employees]
Lung Wang [Dragon King]
Lupan [Carpenters]
Ma-Mien [Bureaucrat]
Meng (Meng P'o) [Underworld]
Meng-T'ien [Writing Brush]
Men Shen [Doors, includes sometimes Wei Cheng]
Mu Gong [Immortals]
Niu-Y'oun [Police]
Nu Gua (Nu Kua, Nu Wa) [Creator and Marriage]
O-Mi-T'o Fo [Amitabha]
Pa [Drought]
Pa-Cha [Anti-locusts]
Pa-Hsien [Eight Immortals]
P'an-Chin-Lien [Prostitues]
'P'an Ku (Panku, Pangu) [Cosmos]
Pi-Hsia-Yuan-Chun [Childbirth]
Puhsien [Sun]
Ran-deng [Future Buddha]
San Ch'inga [Three Taos]
Shang Di (Shang Ti) [Supreme]
She Chi (Thu) [Earth]
Shen [Spirit]
Sheng Jen [Holy]
Shen-nong(Shen Nung) [Hero]
Shen-T'u [Guardian]
Shen Yi [Sun]
Shiang Ku [Magician]
Shih-Tien Yen-Wang [Committe of Ten]
Shou-Hsing [Longevity]
Shou Lao (Shou Xing Lao Tou-zi) [Long Life]
Shou-Ts'ang [Servant]
Shui-Fu [Water]
Shui-Kuan [Defender]
Ssu Ming [Life and Death]
Sung-Chiang [Theives]
Sun Hou-Tzu [Monkey]
Sun Hou-zi [Apes]
Sun-Pin [Cobblers]
T'ai I [High]
Tai-sui-xing [Time]
Tai-yi [Sky]
T'ai Yueh Ta Ti (Tung-Yueh-Ta-Ti, T'ai-Yo, Ta-Ti) [Peak]
Thu [Earth]
Tian [Sky]
Tian-zhu [Catholic]
Tien (T'ien) [Sky]
Tien-Hou (T'ien Fei) [Heaven]
T'ien-Kuan [Happiness]
T'ien Lung [Dragon]
Tien Mu [Lightening]
Tien-Wang (Mo-Li) [Kings]
Ti-Kuan [Foregiveness]
Ti Nu (Ti-ya) [Earth]
Ti-Tsang-Wang-Pu-Sa [Mercy]
Ti Yu [Afterlife]
Tou Nu [North Star]
Ts'ai-Lun [Stationers]
Ts'ai Shen [Wealth]
Tsan [Demons]
Ts'ang Chien [Hearth]
Tsao Shen [?]
Tsao-Wang [Hearth]
Tu [Earth]
Tung Wang Kung [Ruled Male Immortals]
T'u-ti (Ti-Ti) [Locality]
Wang [Palace Door]
Wang-Mu-Niang-Niang [Guardian]
Wen Ch'ang (Wen-Chang-Ta-Ti) [Literature]
Wen-Shu Yen-K'ung [Manjushri]
Wen Pu [Epidemics]
Wu Ti [Myth]
Xian [Spirits]
Xi-Wang-mu [Immortality]
Yama [Seventh hell]
Yan-lo (Yan Wang) [Underworld Prince]
Yao [Wind Conqueror]
Yao-shi-fo [Physician]
Yao Wang [Medicine]
Yeng-Wang-Yeh [Death]
Yen Wang (Yen Lo) [Underworld Judge]
Yin and Yang [Male and Female]
Yo Fei [War]
Yu-Chiang [Ocean Winds]
Yu-di (Yu Huang) [Supreme]
Yueh Fei [War]
Yu Huang (Yu-Huang-Shang-Ti) [High]
Yun T'ung [Clouds]
Yu-qiang [Sea]
Yu Shih [Rain]
Yu-tzu [Rain]
Zao Jun [Kitchen]
Zhang Guo-lao [Immortal]
Zhong-Kui [Literature and Examinations]
Zhong-li Quan [Immortal]
[Sources: Brief History of Ancient Chinese Mythology]
Finnish Gods:
Ahto [Water]
Akka [Harvest]
Egres [Vegetation/Fertility]
Hiisi [Forest/Evil]
Ilma [Air]
Ilmarinen [Sky]
Inmar [Sky]
Juma [Sky]
Jumala (Mader-Atcha, Ukk) [Thunder+]
Kalevanpojat [Demons]
Kalma [Death]
Kekri [Fertility Feast]
Kipu-Tytto [Illness]
Kondos [Sowing Crops]
Kuu [Moon]
Lemminkainen [Hero]
Louhi [Sorcery/Evil]
Loviatar [Disease]
Luonnotar [Creator]
Madderakka [Dwarves]
Maahiset [Dwarves]
Naaki [Water]
Nyrckes [?]
Olmai (Olmay) [Divine properties]
Pajainen [?]
Pajonn [Thunder]
Para [Goblin Like]
Pellonpekko [Barley]
Raudna [?]
Rutu [Devil]
Sampsa [Vegetation]
Seides [Stones]
Rauni [?]
Tapio [Forest]
Tiermes [Thunder]
Tuoni [Underworld
Tursas [Monster]
Ukko (Isainen) [Thunder]
Vainamoinen [Hero]
Veralden-radien [World Pillars]
Waralden Olmai [World]
JAPANESE GODS
Aji-Suki-Taka-Hi-Kone (Aji-Shiki-Taka-Hiko-Ne) [Thunder]
Ama-No-Minakanushi-No-Kumi [Pole Star]
Ame-No-Oshido-Mimi [Refusal]
Ama-No-Uzume [Fertility]
Ama-Tsu-Kami [Heavenly Gods]
Amatsu Mikaboshi [Evil]
Ame-No-Hohi [Disappeared]
Ame-No-Wakahiko [Ruled Earth]
Bimbo-Gami [Poverty]
Bishamon [War]
Chimata-No-Kami [Rain/Sea]
Daikoku [Wealth]
Ebisu [Labor]
Fuchi [Fire]
Fukurokuju (Fukuro kuju) [Wisdom]
Futsunushi [Lightening]
Gozu-Tenno [Plague]
Haya-Ji (Haya-Tsu-Muji-No-Kami) [Whirlwind]
Hikohohodemi [Hero]
Hinokagutsuchi [Fire]
Hiruko [Morning Sun]
Hoderi [?]
Hisa-Me [Devils]
Ho-Masubi (Kagu Zuchi) [Fire]
Hosuseri [?]
Hotei [Laughter]
Inari [Prosperity]
Izanagi [Creator]
Izanami [Mother]
Jikoku [Guardians]
Jimmu Tenno [Founder]
Jurojin (Jorojin) [Longevity]
Kagu-tsuchi [Fire]
Kamado-gami [Hearth]
Kami [Divinities]
Kami-Musubi (Kami-mi-masubi) [?]
Kami-Nari [Thunder]
Kamui [Sky]
Kappa [Water]
Kawa-No-Kami [Rivers]
Kishijoten [Luck]
Kishimojin [Demon]
Komoku [South]
Kompira [Wealth]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime (Kono-no-hana-saku-ya-hime) [?]
Kono-Hana-Sakuya-Hime Kuni-Toko-tachi [First]
Kuni-Tsu-Kami [Earth]
Kura-Okami [Rain/Snow]
Nai-No-Kami [Earthquakes]
Naka-Yama-Tsu-Mi [Mountain Slopes]
Ningyo [Mermaid]
Ninigi [Ruler Earth]
O-Kuni-Nushi (Okuninushi) [Medicine/Sorcery]
Onamuji [Earth]
Omiwa [Protective]
Oni [Demons]
O-Wata-Tsumi [Sea]
O-Yama-Tsu-Mi (O-yama-tsuni) [Mountain]
Raiden [Thunder]
Ryo-Wo [Sea]
Ryujin (Ryugin) [Thunder/Rain]
Sae-No-Kami [Roads]
Sengen-Sama [Guarded Holy Moutain]
Sennin [Immortals]
Shichi-Fukujin [Luck]
Shiko-Me [Devils]
Shine-Tsu-Hiko [Wind]
Shitatera-Hime [?]
Shi-tenno [Cardinal Direction Guardians]
Shojo [Satyrs]
Soko-No-Kuni [Underworld]
Suitengu [Sea]
Sukuna-bikone (Suku-na-biko) [Hot Springs]
Shoki [Enemy of Devils]
Susanowo (Susanoo, Susa-no-wo) [Storms]
Takamimusubi (Taka-mi-masubi) [Royal Family]
Takemikadzuchi [Thunder]
Take-Mi-Musubi [Sun]
Taki-Tsu-Hiko [Rain]
Tatsuta-hime [Autumn]
Ten-gu (Tengu) [Mountain/Forest]
Tenjin (Temmangu) [Learning/Calligraphy]
Tsuki-Yomi (Tsukiyomi) [Moon]
Uji-gami [Ancestors]
Uke-Mochi-No-Kami (Ukemochi, Waka-Uke-Nomi, Toyo-Uke-Bime) [Fertility and
Food]
Uzume [Mirth]
Wakahiru-me [Rising Sun]\
Wata-tsu-mi [Sea]
Yabune [House]
Zocho [South]
Shinto Amaterasu [Sun]
Ama-Tsu-Mara [Smiths]
Ame-No-Kagase-Wo [Astral]
Ame-No-Mi-Kumari-No-Kami [Water]
Amenominakanushi (Ame-No-Minaka-Nushi-No-Kami) [Supreme]
Am-No-Tanabata-Hime-No-Mikoto [Weavers]
Ame-No-Toko-Tachi-No-Kami [Elemental]
Ame-no-uzume [Dancers]
Benten (Benten-San, Benzaiten, Benzaiten) [Eloquence+]
Fujin [Wind]
Hachiman [War]
Ho-musubi [Fire]
Kami [Idols]
SOUTH ASIAN GODS
Cao Dai(Chinese: Gao-Tai) [Supreme]
Debata [?]
Empung Luminuut [?]
Hainuwele [?]
Hananim [Sky]
Hmin [Ague]
Karei [Supreme]
Kinharingan [Creator]
Kud [Evil]
Laseo [Sun]
Lature Dano [Supreme]
Lowalangi(Lowalani) [World Above]
Mahatala (Mahataral) [Supreme?]
Ma-zu [?]
Nanmata (Namite) [Primeval]
Narbrooi [Woodlands]
Nemu [Primodial]
Palk [Sun]
Puang Matowa [Sky]
Pulug [Thunder]
Reahu [Dark Demon]
Rigenmucha [Supreme]
Silewe Nazarata [?]
Sirao [First]
Ta Pedn [?]
Tnong [Sun]
Tumbrenjak [Original Man]
Upulevo [Sun]
Wunekau [Sun]
CENRAL AND WEST ASIAN GODS
Abyrga [Snake]
Afi [Rain/Thunderstorms]
Aitvaras [Evil]
Alardi [Spirit]
Aralo [Agriculutre]
Armaz [Supreme]
Auseklis (Ausrine) [Stellar]
Baba [Spirit]
Baba Yaga (Jezi-Baba) [Ogress]
Bagvarti [?]
Bangputys [Sea]
Bannik [Baths]
Bagisht [Flood/Prosperity]
Barastir (Barastaer) [Underworld]
Bardha [Elves]
Beg-tse (Cam-srin) [War]
Beng [Satan]
Biegg-Olmai [Wind]
Bogatyri [Heroes]
Boldogasszony (Kisboldogasszony) [Protector Women/Children]
Bolla (Bullar) [Demon]
Buga [Supreme]
Bukura e dheut
[Good Spirit]
Bukuri e qiellit [Jehovah]
Byelobog (Bielbog) [?]
Byelun [?]
Chernobo(Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [?]
Chors [Sun]
Dabog [Sun]
Deive [Stone Spirits]
Dieva deli [?]
Dievini [Less Known Gods]
Dievs [Sky]
Djall [Devil]
Domovoi (Domovoy) [Household]
Donbittir [Water/Fish]
Drag-gshed [Eight Terrible Gods]
Dud [Heavenly Spirit]
Dvorovoi [Courtyard]
Dyavo [Demons]
En [?]
Erlik [King of the Dead]
Es [Sky]
Fatit [Destiny]
Fene [Demon]
Gabija (Gabieta, Gabeta) [Fire]
Gabjauja [Corn]
Giltine [Death]
Guta [Demon]
Hadur [War]
Himavat [Himalayas]
Horagalles [War]
Isdustaya and Papaya [Fate]
Isten [Supreme]
Jagaubis [Fire]
Jarovit (Gerovitus) [War]
Jessis [avatar Jupiter]
Jumis [Fertility]
Juras Mate [Water]
Kaka-Guia [Funerary]
Kalvis [Smith]
Karta [Fate]
Kaukas [?]
Khors [Health/Hunting]
Khyung-gai mGo-can [?]
Kikimora [Household]
K'op'ala [Protective]
Kukuth (Kukudhi) [Sickness]
Kulshedra (Kucedre) [Demon]
Kun-tu-bzan-po [Chief Bon]
Kupala [Water/Magic/Herbs]
Kurdalaegon [Blacksmiths]
Laima [Fate]
Lamaria [Hearth]
Laskowice (Leshcia) [Forest]
Lauka Mate [Fields/Fertility]
Laume [Fairy]
Leshy [Forest]
Lha [Bon Gods]
Lhamo [?]
Ljeschi (Lychie) [Fauns and Satyrs]
Ljubi [Demon]
Manzasiri [Primeval]
Mate [Mother]
Mati Syra Zemlya [Earth]
Medeine (Mejdejn) [Woods]
Meness [Moon]
Menulis [Moon]
Meza Mate [Nature]
Mirsa [Light]
Mokos [Fertility]
Mu (rMu) [Heavenly]
Muma Padura [Wood]
Myesyats (Czarnobog, Czerneboch, Cernobog) [Moon]
Nang Lha [Household]
Nari [Demon]
Nari [Sky]
Num [Sky]
Odqan [Fire]
Ora [Protective]
Ordog [Dark]
Pekar (Pehar) [Demon]
Peko [Barley]
Perendi [Jehovah]
Perit [Mountain Spirits]
Perkons [Thunder]
Perkunas [Thunder]
Perun (Peroun) [Thunder]
Polevik [Field]
Poludnitsa [Field]
Pon [Sky]
Porenutius (Porevit) [?]
Preas Eyn [?]
Preas Eyssaur [Destructive]
Preas Prohm [Primeval]
Prende (Prenne) [Love]
Psezpolnica (Polish Poludnica) [Midday]
Pugu [Sun]
Qormusta (Chormusta) [High]
Rugievit [War]
Rusalki (Rusalka) [Water/Woodlands]
Safa [Weapens]
Sanda [?]
Sarkany [Weather]
Saule [Sun]
Saules meitas [?]
Selardi [Moon]
Shen-Lha-od-dkar [Bon]
Shen-rab [Founder Bon]
Sipe Gyalmo [Bon]
Shiwini [Sun]
Shosshu [Smiths]
Siwini [Sun]
Srat [Demon]
Sri [Demon]
Sridevi [?]
Stribog [Winds]
Svantevit (Svantoveit, Svantovitus) [War/Agriculture]
Svarog [Sky]
Syen [Guardian]
Stihi [Demon]
Teljavelik [Heavenly Smith]
Telyaveli [Smiths]
Tengri [Heavenly Beings]
Tesheba [Weather]
Thab-lha [Hearth]
Triglav (Trigelawus) [War]
Uacilla [Thunder/Rain]
Ulgen [Creator]
Urme [Fate]
Usins [?]
Vadatajs [Evil]
Vampire [Soul of Dead]
Veela [Kindess]
Veja mate [Winds]
Veles (Volos) [Underworld]
Velnias [Devil]
Velu mate [Dead]
Verbti [Fire/North Wind]
Vila [Water]
Vilkacis (Lithuanian Vilkatas) [Werewolf]
Vlkodlaks (Vookodlaks) [Werewolf]
Vodnik [Demon]
Vodyanoi [Water]
Volos (Volusu) [Cattle]
We [Supreme]
Xhindi [Spirits]
Yarilo [Love]
Zaltys [Grass Snake]
Zemepatis (Zemempatis) [Supreme]
Zemes mate [Mother]
Zemyna (Zemyneles) [Earth]
Zorya [Guardian]
Zvezda Dennitsa and Zvezda Vechernyaya [Morning and Evening Star]
SIBERIAN GODS
Ai Tojon [Light]
Ajysyt [Mother]
Anky-Kele [Sea]
Ayi [Creator]
Hittavainen, Hittauanin [Hare-Hunters]
Hinkon [Death Demon]
K'daai [Fire Demon]
Kaltes [The Goddess]
Ke'lets [Death Demon]
Kurkil [Creator]
Kutkinnaku [Good Spirit]
Mayin [Supreme]
Picvu'cin [Hunting/Wild Animals]
Shurdi [Thunderstorms]
Tomam [Bird]
Tomor(Tomorr) [Father Creator]
Xucau [Supreme]
Ye'loje (Pugu) [Sun]
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08 Apr 2006 07:05:34 PM |
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"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Intelligent adults do not normally believe in myths and fables.
Read Genesis, about the FALL. These statements make me think you
believe that the current state of the world is what God created, BUT
it is not. The current state of the world is also explained in Romans,
as the first Adam sinned, the whole world is now in a fallen state, and the
last Adam, Jesus Christ will bing the consumation of the original Eden
back to the new state of the world in the near future.
You need to get into a Bible study, so that these things are explained
to you.
IHS, Mel.
http://207.234.208.119/bibleweb-archive.info/dont-click-this.html
Small Group Bibly Study Materials
http://bibleweb.info/
Small Group Bible Studies Comprehensive
Old & New Testament Bible studies, prophecy,
commentaries, concordances, apologetics,
Bible lookups, and multiple translations. PowerPoint,
movies in RealAudio, MP3, MediaPlayer,
Adobe PDF formats with free readers.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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08 Apr 2006 10:38:56 PM |
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Melchizedek wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Z9AVf.2361$yn4.1594@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
Intelligent adults do not normally believe in myths and fables.
Read Genesis, about the FALL. These statements make me think you
believe that the current state of the world is what God created, BUT
it is not. The current state of the world is also explained in Romans,
as the first Adam sinned, the whole world is now in a fallen state, and the
last Adam, Jesus Christ will bing the consumation of the original Eden
back to the new state of the world in the near future.
You need to get into a Bible study, so that these things are explained
to you.
===>You need to STUDY it INDEPENDENTLY, or someone will "explain" it
by twisting it all into his/her own doctrinal prejudices.
STUDY it in its CULTURAL AND HISTORICAL CONTEXT!
You will soon realize what a big lie it is to call it the "Word of God"!
Of course you must be warned:
THINKING CAN BE HAZARDOUS TO YOUR FAITH! -- L.
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| User: "Barry OGrady" |
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09 Apr 2006 11:21:39 PM |
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On Sat, 8 Apr 2006 20:05:34 -0400, "Melchizedek" <Melchizedek@bibleweb.info> wrote:
"Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
news:Z9AVf.2361$yn4.1594@bignews7.bellsouth.net...
Intelligent adults do not normally believe in myths and fables.
Read Genesis, about the FALL. These statements make me think you
believe that the current state of the world is what God created, BUT
it is not. The current state of the world is also explained in Romans,
as the first Adam sinned, the whole world is now in a fallen state, and the
last Adam, Jesus Christ will bing the consumation of the original Eden
back to the new state of the world in the near future.
Why couldn't God leave the world the way he created it? What compelled
God to downgrade us?
You need to get into a Bible study, so that these things are explained
to you.
Bible study won't help. They will only tell you what they think you should
read into the Bible. People should read the Bible for themselves.
?
Barry
=====
Home page
http://members.iinet.net.au/~barry.og
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| User: "Richo" |
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27 Mar 2006 05:29:25 AM |
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Bill wrote:
Intelligent adults do not normally believe in myths and fables.
Don't they?
Are you so certain of that?
I am quite certain it is normal to believe in myth and fable and
abnormal to reject your societies myths and fables.
In fact rejecting the especially prized myths and fables of ones
communitee can make tyou a ctarget of hatred and suspicion.
I think you are possibly in the thraw of a powerful delusion.
(If you mean what you say.)
They do not believe that Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Wizard of OZ,
Harry Potter or Aesop's Fables are real. They believe correctly that they
are fiction.
Those story characters are designed (intended by their creators) as
entertainments.
Holy stories - myths and scripture are designed for a different purpose
- to teach moral and spiritual truths - or what the creators of those
stories believe are moral and spiritual truths.
Do you want to base this only life on fictional tales?
No people want to be happy and at peace with themselves and the world (
for the most part).
If a story tells people that they have a place in the world and a
purpose then a story can be a way of achieving what is desired.
No one desires to base their lives on fables - if you believe that then
you completely misunderstand what motivates actual people.
Why do people believe in THOUSANDS of Gods?
They believe because they need to have some purpose and meaning in
their lives and they need to make some sense of a hostile and
bewildering existence.
What the hell did you imagine they were for?
Again there is NO - NADA
objective verifiable evidence for the existence of any of these Gods.
Evidence schmevidence.
People want happiness and purposefulness and belonging not "evidence".
Isn't it logically obvious that if any of these documents were the word of
any 'real' god that he would have taken steps to preserve and demonstrate
their authenticity?
No - that would presume many things about the nature of God and its
purposes.
Do you have the list of Gods true atributes Bill?
No?
Didnt think so - so you are just making meaningless noises yet again.
They are mostly myths, fables, contradictions and impossible tales.
Yes - and people find meaning, beauty, and dare I say it , truth in
them.
Now what I have found is that some of these myths contain evil vile and
ugly things - "false" in the sense of being against the good and the
compssionate and the postive.
For example the Bible contains messages of oppression against women and
hatred for "other nations". So it doesnt matter whether the characters
in the story are real - what is really impostant (life and death
important) is holding up an evil example and naming it good.
Do you understand?
Of all these different Gods and belief systems which is the true one, if
any, and which are fakes?
None of them are (totally) true (not even the real ones) and none of
them are fakes.
(As I have carefully explained before.)
None of the ancient religious documents are any
objective 'evidence'.
You seem to think that is important for some reason but cant seem to
say why.
<snip wild speculation about "God">
No one knows Bill - so stop asking - just make something up if you
really need an answer - that's what most people do.
I'll tell you why. The real objective evidence is that no Gods CREATED MAN
but quite the opposite; that man created gods!
There are thousands of different god beliefs. Here are just a few;
Buddhism
Sorry - you are wrong again - Buddhism is not a "god belief" it is a
philosophy and system of beliefs and principles about the nature of
personal existence and the nature of suffering and how to be a better
person .
You may be a Buddhist and believe in gods (Not a very good one in my
not particularly humble opinion) but it is not part of Buddhism.
To be a Buddhist you must seek enlightenment by accepting the 4 noble
truths and following the eightfold way - both of which were taught by
the Buddha.
There is no reason an atheist cannot accept the 4 noble truths and
follow the eight fold path. All that superstitious god belief would
just get in the way - more illusion - when what you seek is clarity and
escape from illusion.
Mark.
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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26 Mar 2006 12:12:29 PM |
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Bill wrote:
Intelligent adults do not normally believe in myths and fables.
They do not believe that Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Wizard of OZ,
Harry Potter or Aesop's Fables are real. They believe correctly that they
are fiction.
Do you want to base this only life on fictional tales?
Why do people believe in THOUSANDS of Gods? Again there is NO - NADA
objective verifiable evidence for the existence of any of these Gods. All
there are is ancient texts written by hundreds other men of totally unknown
veracity. There are no original documents in existence because they were
written on parchment which has long since rotted away. All that exists are
copies of copies etc. of unknown authenticity and veracity.
[]
Dear Bill,
We do not like it when the theists troll alt.atheism, so please be
courteous and don't troll their newsgroups. You're certainly not
helping their perception of us.
Love,
Chris
Dear readers of alt.bible, alt.religion.christian, and
alt.religion.christianity,
I apologize for this poster. He seems to be new here and isn't quite
acclimated to this environment. What's more, he also appears to be a
strong atheist, and a rather militant one at that, so please do not
judge us all by his posts. If you feel compelled to respond to him,
please remove alt.atheism from the newsgroup list.
Love,
Chris
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| User: "Bill" |
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26 Mar 2006 02:25:00 PM |
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"Chris Johnson" <effigies@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1143396749.455581.96910@z34g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
Bill wrote:
Intelligent adults do not normally believe in myths and fables.
They do not believe that Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Wizard of OZ,
Harry Potter or Aesop's Fables are real. They believe correctly that they
are fiction.
Do you want to base this only life on fictional tales?
Why do people believe in THOUSANDS of Gods? Again there is NO - NADA
objective verifiable evidence for the existence of any of these Gods. All
there are is ancient texts written by hundreds other men of totally
unknown
veracity. There are no original documents in existence because they were
written on parchment which has long since rotted away. All that exists
are
copies of copies etc. of unknown authenticity and veracity.
[]
Dear Bill,
We do not like it when the theists troll alt.atheism, so please be
courteous and don't troll their newsgroups. You're certainly not
helping their perception of us.
Love,
Chris
Don't be such an idiot. Posting information on gods in a deist newsgroup is
fully appropriate.
Are you some minister that relies on your followers to provide your income
and social status?
Do you have ANY objective verifiable factual evidence to support your views
or are you just frightened
by facts?
Dear readers of alt.bible, alt.religion.christian, and
alt.religion.christianity,
I apologize for this poster. He seems to be new here and isn't quite
acclimated to this environment. What's more, he also appears to be a
strong atheist, and a rather militant one at that, so please do not
judge us all by his posts. If you feel compelled to respond to him,
please remove alt.atheism from the newsgroup list.
I have been posting in these newsgroups for some time and am fully acquiated
with the practices.
Why are half the postings in alt.atheism from religious types posting
religious claims?
Get your head out of your closed mind and join the debate!
Love,
Chris
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| User: "Midjis" |
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26 Mar 2006 05:02:20 PM |
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Bill wrote:
Don't be such an idiot. Posting information on gods in a deist
newsgroup is fully appropriate.
Are you some minister that relies on your followers to provide your
income and social status?
I must have read Chris's post completely wrong. I thought it said "we do
not like it when theists troll alt.atheism". That suggests to me that he
considers himself an atheist. Maybe I misunderstood? Or maybe, as is
often the case with other angry people on the religion-related groups, you
simply think you know him better than he does?
Do you have ANY objective verifiable factual evidence to support your
views or are you just frightened by facts?
Views? I saw only the statement that atheists do not like it when
religious types troll their newsgroups, and a rather presumptuous apology
made on your behalf. Aside from the cynical few who quietly appreciate
such trolling by theists in alt.atheism because it gives them something to
be indignant about, in most cases I would say the first part was pretty
obvious. If you have a problem with the second I would not particularly
blame you.
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| User: "Chris Johnson" |
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26 Mar 2006 05:32:25 PM |
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Midjis wrote:
Bill wrote:
Don't be such an idiot. Posting information on gods in a deist
newsgroup is fully appropriate.
Are you some minister that relies on your followers to provide your
income and social status?
I must have read Chris's post completely wrong. I thought it said "we do
not like it when theists troll alt.atheism". That suggests to me that he
considers himself an atheist. Maybe I misunderstood?
No, you got it right.
Or maybe, as is
often the case with other angry people on the religion-related groups, you
simply think you know him better than he does?
Do you have ANY objective verifiable factual evidence to support your
views or are you just frightened by facts?
Views? I saw only the statement that atheists do not like it when
religious types troll their newsgroups, and a rather presumptuous apology
made on your behalf.
Yes, I was out of line with the second bit. I was annoyed by the fact
that he does to theists exactly what we wish they wouldn't do to us,
and as such perpetuates the common view that atheists are god-haters
and the like.
Aside from the cynical few who quietly appreciate
such trolling by theists in alt.atheism because it gives them something to
be indignant about, in most cases I would say the first part was pretty
obvious. If you have a problem with the second I would not particularly
blame you.
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| User: "Midjis" |
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27 Mar 2006 04:24:21 AM |
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Chris Johnson wrote:
Are you some minister that relies on your followers to provide your
income and social status?
I must have read Chris's post completely wrong. I thought it said
"we do not like it when theists troll alt.atheism". That suggests to
me that he considers himself an atheist. Maybe I misunderstood?
No, you got it right.
Well, if it is any consolation, you are not alone. I am regularly told by
people who do not know me at all that I am atheist, or Christian, or
Jewish, or Muslim, or a devil worshipper, or white, or black, male, or
female, left-wing, right-wing, liberal, Nazi... Basically whatever the
other person hates the most at the point when they decide they hate me too
- usually because I have asked them a question or disagree with something
they have said. Quite often this insistence that I am what they believe me
to be continues even after I have corrected them.
Some people have a very narrow view of the world that can accommodate only
two possible positions: the one they support and the one they hate.
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| User: "duke" |
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26 Mar 2006 04:50:39 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:25:00 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Don't be such an idiot. Posting information on gods in a deist newsgroup is
fully appropriate.
And posting truthful information on almighty God in an atheist newsgroup is
fully appropriate.
Do you have ANY objective verifiable factual evidence to support your views
or are you just frightened
by facts?
You mean like that myth that there is no almighty God?
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Bill" |
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26 Mar 2006 06:04:40 PM |
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"duke" <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in message
news:ti6e22tc91t8m4h84v62np807pn5jhjfci@4ax.com...
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:25:00 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Don't be such an idiot. Posting information on gods in a deist newsgroup
is
fully appropriate.
And posting truthful information on almighty God in an atheist newsgroup
is
fully appropriate.
Do you have ANY objective verifiable factual evidence to support your
views
or are you just frightened
by facts?
You mean like that myth that there is no almighty God?
No that is not a myth. It is based on the fact that there is no objective
verifiable replicable
evidence for the actual existence of any gods. It's the same reason for not
believing there is
any 'real' Santa Claus, Easter Bunny or Wizard of Oz.
Take a course in basic logic, Duke.
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| Title: Re: BASE YOUR LIFE ON FABLES? |
30 Mar 2006 05:06:43 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:04:40 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
You mean like that myth that there is no almighty God?
No that is not a myth. It is based on the fact that there is no objective
verifiable replicable
evidence for the actual existence of any gods.
You can verify it??? Ok, go ahead.
You can replicate this verification??? Ok, go ahead.
You have evidence??? Ok, show it.
Take a course in basic logic, Duke.
Basic logic says that just because you can't see it does not preclude it's
existence. You're dead on that one.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Adam H" |
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30 Mar 2006 06:27:26 AM |
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 05:06:43 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:04:40 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
You mean like that myth that there is no almighty God?
No that is not a myth. It is based on the fact that there is no objective
verifiable replicable
evidence for the actual existence of any gods.
You can verify it??? Ok, go ahead.
You can replicate this verification??? Ok, go ahead.
You have evidence??? Ok, show it.
Take a course in basic logic, Duke.
Basic logic says that just because you can't see it does not preclude it's
existence. You're dead on that one.
Basic logic also says that when there is no evidence for the existence
of something the assumption is that that thing doesn't exist.
Logic says your god doesn't exist, in other words.
---
I contend we are both atheists - I just believe in
one fewer god than you do.
When you understand why you reject all other gods,
you will understand why I reject yours as well.
- Stephen F. Roberts
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: BASE YOUR LIFE ON FABLES? |
30 Mar 2006 04:09:05 PM |
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Adam H wrote:
On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 05:06:43 -0600, duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote:
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:04:40 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
You mean like that myth that there is no almighty God?
No that is not a myth. It is based on the fact that there is no objective
verifiable replicable
evidence for the actual existence of any gods.
You can verify it??? Ok, go ahead.
You can replicate this verification??? Ok, go ahead.
You have evidence??? Ok, show it.
Take a course in basic logic, Duke.
Basic logic says that just because you can't see it does not preclude it's
existence. You're dead on that one.
Basic logic also says that when there is no evidence for the existence
of something the assumption is that that thing doesn't exist.
Logic says your god doesn't exist, in other words.
===>Their logic goes something like this:
1. All that exists had to be created.
2. "God" was not created.
WHAT FOLLOWS FROM THAT?
"God" does not exist! ;-) -- L.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: BASE YOUR LIFE ON FABLES? |
30 Mar 2006 06:21:06 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 05:06:43 -0600, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
<enen2255lh437kujiu5ucsahq38ar77mpd@4ax.com>:
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:04:40 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
You mean like that myth that there is no almighty God?
No that is not a myth. It is based on the fact that there is no objective
verifiable replicable
evidence for the actual existence of any gods.
You can verify it??? Ok, go ahead.
You can replicate this verification??? Ok, go ahead.
You have evidence??? Ok, show it.
Good job on the own goal, Duke.
Take a course in basic logic, Duke.
Basic logic says that just because you can't see it does not preclude it's
existence. You're dead on that one.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: BASE YOUR LIFE ON FABLES? |
30 Mar 2006 04:04:11 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 19:04:40 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
You mean like that myth that there is no almighty God?
No that is not a myth. It is based on the fact that there is no objective
verifiable replicable
evidence for the actual existence of any gods.
You can verify it??? Ok, go ahead.
You can replicate this verification??? Ok, go ahead.
You have evidence??? Ok, show it.
Take a course in basic logic, Duke.
Basic logic says that just because you can't see it does not preclude it's
existence.
===>But for you it proves its existence.
You see it because you believe it.
Such is the hypnotized mind. -- L.
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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26 Mar 2006 04:55:12 PM |
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On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:50:39 -0600, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
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On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 15:25:00 -0500, "Bill" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote:
Don't be such an idiot. Posting information on gods in a deist newsgroup is
fully appropriate.
And posting truthful information on almighty God in an atheist newsgroup is
fully appropriate.
Duke, you have never once been able to show that what you post is true.
Where is your evidence? Why should anyone believe you? You don't even
manage to agree with the Roman Catholic Church, yet you keep telling us
that you are one.
Do you have ANY objective verifiable factual evidence to support your views
or are you just frightened
by facts?
You mean like that myth that there is no almighty God?
Where is your evidence that this God exists?
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| User: "duke" |
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30 Mar 2006 05:03:04 AM |
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On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:55:12 -0600, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
And posting truthful information on almighty God in an atheist newsgroup is
fully appropriate.
Duke, you have never once been able to show that what you post is true.
Where is your evidence? Why should anyone believe you?
My evidence is everywhere's around you. Where is your evidence that there is no
God??? You are clearly confused over what God means to us. It's the promise of
life after life - for all eternity. There are only 2 options - eternity in the
loving arms of God or eternity in the loving arms of satan. Your choice.
You don't even
manage to agree with the Roman Catholic Church, yet you keep telling us
that you are one.
Of course I do. In fact, I'm repeating what they say.
Do you have ANY objective verifiable factual evidence to support your views
or are you just frightened
by facts?
You mean like that myth that there is no almighty God?
Where is your evidence that this God exists?
Our universe that was not here 14.5 billion years ago.
duke, American-American
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"The Mass is the most perfect form of Prayer."
Pope Paul VI
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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| Title: Re: BASE YOUR LIFE ON FABLES? |
30 Mar 2006 06:20:25 PM |
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On Thu, 30 Mar 2006 05:03:04 -0600, in alt.atheism
duke <duckgumbo32@cox.net> wrote in
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On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:55:12 -0600, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
And posting truthful information on almighty God in an atheist newsgroup is
fully appropriate.
Duke, you have never once been able to show that what you post is true.
Where is your evidence? Why should anyone believe you?
My evidence is everywhere's around you.
Vague assertions are not evidence. I have repeatedly asked you for
specifics and you have repeatedly failed to offer any.
Where is your evidence that there is no God???
Until you provide evidence to support your claim, you have lost. I don't
need to provide evidence that gods don't exist until someone presents
evidence that one god or another does.
You are clearly confused over what God means to us. It's the promise of
life after life - for all eternity. There are only 2 options - eternity in the
loving arms of God or eternity in the loving arms of satan. Your choice.
I choose neither. There is no evidence that Satan exists, either. Heaven
is a doctrine that has no evidence to support it. Hell is a doctrine
that has no evidence to support it. No evidence supports the doctrine
that there is a soul. No evidence supports the doctrine that the soul is
eternal.
You don't even
manage to agree with the Roman Catholic Church, yet you keep telling us
that you are one.
Of course I do. In fact, I'm repeating what they say.
Once in a while, but even the doctrines of Moslems, LDS and Jews happen
to agree with Roman Catholic doctrine once in a while.
Do you have ANY objective verifiable factual evidence to support your views
or are you just frightened
by facts?
You mean like that myth that there is no almighty God?
Where is your evidence that this God exists?
Our universe that was not here 14.5 billion years ago.
So, nothing about the Big Bang implies that any gods of any sort exist,
let alone the particular God that you believe in.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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30 Mar 2006 04:02:19 PM |
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duke wrote:
On Sun, 26 Mar 2006 16:55:12 -0600, Free Lunch <lunch@nofreelunch.us> wrote:
And posting truthful information on almighty God in an atheist newsgroup is
fully appropriate.
Duke, you have never once been able to show that what you post is true.
Where is your evidence? Why should anyone believe you?
My evidence is everywhere's around you. Where is your evidence that there is no
God???
===>What a stupid, idiotic question.
Where is your evidence there is no Vishnu or Zeus or Baal????
You are clearly confused over what God means to us. It's the promise of
life after life - for all eternity. There are only 2 options - eternity in the
loving arms of God or eternity in the loving arms of satan. Your choice.
You don't even
manage to agree with the Roman Catholic Church, yet you keep telling us
that you are one.
Of course I do. In fact, I'm repeating what they say.
Do you have ANY objective verifiable factual evidence to support your views
or are you just frightened
by facts?
You mean like that myth that there is no almighty God?
Where is your evidence that this God exists?
Our universe that was not here 14.5 billion years ago.
===>More stupidity.
Nothing that is here today was here yesterday.
What does that prove? -- L.
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| User: "Holy Cow" |
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| Title: Re: BASE YOUR LIFE ON FABLES? |
26 Mar 2006 01:16:27 PM |
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I used to be mad at God because he didn't do what I
wanted him to, bashing religion in a religious group is
what I had felt like doing in those times too (but I
didn't)... When all was going wrong (homelessness,
open heart surgery, no job, no possesions, etc) and
no one was there to help me, I get mad and angry at
myself but took it out on others.
------------------------------------------------
Poverty portal & homeless resources
http://www.SpareSomeChange.com
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: BASE YOUR LIFE ON FABLES? |
26 Mar 2006 10:25:48 PM |
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Bill wrote:
Intelligent adults do not normally believe in myths and fables.
Why, that's a myth right there!
It's also a fairly transparent appeal to ego.
They do not believe that Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Wizard of OZ,
Harry Potter or Aesop's Fables are real. They believe correctly that they
are fiction.
Fiction is not synonymous with myth.
And the Wizard of Oz was itself has been widely seen as an allegory,
much like Spencer's "The Faerie Queene", or even Job or Esther.
<snip>
Sunny
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| User: "Richo" |
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27 Mar 2006 05:34:36 AM |
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wrote:
Bill wrote:
Intelligent adults do not normally believe in myths and fables.
Why, that's a myth right there!
It's also a fairly transparent appeal to ego.
They do not believe that Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Wizard of OZ,
Harry Potter or Aesop's Fables are real. They believe correctly that they
are fiction.
Fiction is not synonymous with myth.
And the Wizard of Oz was itself has been widely seen as an allegory,
much like Spencer's "The Faerie Queene", or even Job or Esther.
<snip>
Sunny
Hi Sunny!
It will be interesting to see if you can talk to Bill - he never
replies to me.
I must be scary or somethin'
8-)
Mark.
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| User: "Bill" |
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| Title: Re: BASE YOUR LIFE ON FABLES? |
27 Mar 2006 08:43:01 AM |
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"Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1143459276.545407.219250@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
stillsunny1@yahoo.com wrote:
Bill wrote:
Intelligent adults do not normally believe in myths and fables.
Why, that's a myth right there!
It's also a fairly transparent appeal to ego.
They do not believe that Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Wizard of
OZ,
Harry Potter or Aesop's Fables are real. They believe correctly that
they
are fiction.
Fiction is not synonymous with myth.
And the Wizard of Oz was itself has been widely seen as an allegory,
much like Spencer's "The Faerie Queene", or even Job or Esther.
<snip>
Sunny
Hi Sunny!
It will be interesting to see if you can talk to Bill - he never
replies to me.
I must be scary or somethin'
8-)
Mark.
No, your illogic is just tiring.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: BASE YOUR LIFE ON FABLES? |
27 Mar 2006 03:12:49 PM |
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Bill wrote:
"Richo" <m.richardson@utas.edu.au> wrote in message
news:1143459276.545407.219250@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
stillsunny1@yahoo.com wrote:
Bill wrote:
<snip>
It will be interesting to see if you can talk to Bill - he never
replies to me.
I must be scary or somethin'
8-)
Mark.
No, your illogic is just tiring.
LOLOLOL!
Sunny
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| User: "Ashok" |
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27 Mar 2006 03:34:42 PM |
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Bill wrote:
No, your illogic is just tiring.
No, your illogic about drinking is nonsense. Take a bath if you're
stressed out. Since when did alcohol become healthy? Why don't you give
your kids a healthy dose of beer? Tell 'em knock yourselves out.
If you'd ever offer beer to my kids, I'd put your ***** in jail.
Ashok Patel
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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27 Mar 2006 05:42:47 PM |
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Ashok wrote:
Bill wrote:
No, your illogic is just tiring.
No, your illogic about drinking is nonsense. Take a bath if you're
stressed out. Since when did alcohol become healthy?
===>Ecclesiastes 9:7.
"Go then, eat your bread in happiness
and drink your wine with a cheerful heart"
Ecclesiastes 10:19.
"Men prepare a meal for enjoyment,
and wine makes life merry."
1 Timothy 5:23.
"No longer drink water exclusively,
but use a little wine for the sake of your stomach
and your frequent ailments." -- L.
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| User: "" |
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27 Mar 2006 08:46:53 AM |
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Richo wrote:
stillsunny1@yahoo.com wrote:
Bill wrote:
Intelligent adults do not normally believe in myths and fables.
Why, that's a myth right there!
It's also a fairly transparent appeal to ego.
They do not believe that Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Wizard of OZ,
Harry Potter or Aesop's Fables are real. They believe correctly that they
are fiction.
Fiction is not synonymous with myth.
And the Wizard of Oz was itself has been widely seen as an allegory,
much like Spencer's "The Faerie Queene", or even Job or Esther.
<snip>
Sunny
Hi Sunny!
Hi, Papa Mark!
How's the now not so little one?
It will be interesting to see if you can talk to Bill - he never
replies to me.
I must be scary or somethin'
8-)
I've always thought so.
Truth is, I hit reply before I realized this was a flame attempting
cross post.
I've always said, religious groups don't generally get the better class
of atheist, any more than the atheist group generally gets the better
class of theist.
Good answer to the original post, by the way.
Sunny
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| User: "Richo" |
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27 Mar 2006 08:11:35 PM |
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wrote:
Richo wrote:
wrote:
Bill wrote:
Intelligent adults do not normally believe in myths and fables.
Why, that's a myth right there!
It's also a fairly transparent appeal to ego.
They do not believe that Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Wizard of OZ,
Harry Potter or Aesop's Fables are real. They believe correctly that they
are fiction.
Fiction is not synonymous with myth.
And the Wizard of Oz was itself has been widely seen as an allegory,
much like Spencer's "The Faerie Queene", or even Job or Esther.
<snip>
Sunny
Hi Sunny!
Hi, Papa Mark!
How's the now not so little one?
Still the apple of his dad eye.
8-)
He is 4 now - he already thinks he is smarter than his old man.
8-)
It will be interesting to see if you can talk to Bill - he never
replies to me.
I must be scary or somethin'
8-)
I've always thought so.
Booo!
Truth is, I hit reply before I realized this was a flame attempting
cross post.
I've always said, religious groups don't generally get the better class
of atheist, any more than the atheist group generally gets the better
class of theist.
Very true.
Good answer to the original post, by the way.
Thank you! - I typed it in rather a hurry - plenty of typos and bad
spelling of course.
I claim that is part of my style of course.
8-)
Mark.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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27 Mar 2006 09:40:17 AM |
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wrote:
Bill wrote:
Intelligent adults do not normally believe in myths and fables.
Why, that's a myth right there!
It's also a fairly transparent appeal to ego.
They do not believe that Santa Claus, The Easter Bunny, The Wizard of OZ,
Harry Potter or Aesop's Fables are real. They believe correctly that they
are fiction.
Fiction is not synonymous with myth.
And the Wizard of Oz was itself has been widely seen as an allegory,
much like Spencer's "The Faerie Queene", or even Job or Esther.
===>Do you claim the Bible is an "allegory", or that
the Wizard of OZ is factual? -- L.
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