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"Andrew W \Paranormal Agnostic" |
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28 Jan 2005 02:37:42 AM |
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Being human |
Being human means having the right to doubt anything without fear of
retribution. Doubt is required for bringing out the real truth in
everything. It's like the cop that keeps the business man next door honest.
Mistakes are required so that humans can learn to do things better, because
humans learn most from their mistakes.
Imperfection is required to continue having better things to look forward
to, otherwise life stops and then it can no longer be called life.
Christianity has outlawed all doubt, mistakes and imperfection - in effect
it has outlawed true humanness.
If the christian god hates humanness so much then why on earth did he create
humans? Clearly he did it only for sport. Either that or the christian
doctrine has gone berserk over the centuries because Jesus didn't return to
keep it in check.
If Jesus were to return today and someone handed him a bible, he would most
likely take one look at it and throw it into the nearest rubbish bin.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
others, nor disproved (agnostic).
Knowledge is light and light casts the darkest shadows when coming from only
one source.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: Being human |
29 Mar 2005 06:28:18 PM |
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Did you just take a shower ? Because you are all wet.
"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote
in message news:41f9f9dc$0$29490$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Being human means having the right to doubt anything without fear of
retribution. Doubt is required for bringing out the real truth in
everything. It's like the cop that keeps the business man next door
honest.
Mistakes are required so that humans can learn to do things better,
because humans learn most from their mistakes.
Imperfection is required to continue having better things to look forward
to, otherwise life stops and then it can no longer be called life.
Christianity has outlawed all doubt, mistakes and imperfection - in effect
it has outlawed true humanness.
If the christian god hates humanness so much then why on earth did he
create humans? Clearly he did it only for sport. Either that or the
christian doctrine has gone berserk over the centuries because Jesus
didn't return to keep it in check.
If Jesus were to return today and someone handed him a bible, he would
most likely take one look at it and throw it into the nearest rubbish bin.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
others, nor disproved (agnostic).
Knowledge is light and light casts the darkest shadows when coming from
only one source.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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| Title: Re: Being human |
31 Mar 2005 03:08:02 PM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:114js2ceihe2387@corp.supernews.com...
Did you just take a shower ? Because you are all wet.
"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" <nospaam_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote
in message news:41f9f9dc$0$29490$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
Being human means having the right to doubt anything without fear of
retribution. Doubt is required for bringing out the real truth in
everything. It's like the cop that keeps the business man next door
honest.
Mistakes are required so that humans can learn to do things better,
because humans learn most from their mistakes.
Imperfection is required to continue having better things to look forward
to, otherwise life stops and then it can no longer be called life.
Christianity has outlawed all doubt, mistakes and imperfection - in
effect it has outlawed true humanness.
If the christian god hates humanness so much then why on earth did he
create humans? Clearly he did it only for sport. Either that or the
christian doctrine has gone berserk over the centuries because Jesus
didn't return to keep it in check.
If Jesus were to return today and someone handed him a bible, he would
most likely take one look at it and throw it into the nearest rubbish
bin.
--
Andrew W. (Paranormal Agnostic) An interest in the paranormal (spiritual)
but with acknowledgement that it's existence can neither be proved - to
others, nor disproved (agnostic).
Knowledge is light and light casts the darkest shadows when coming from
only one source.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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| User: "RonB" |
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| Title: Re: Being human |
28 Jan 2005 03:08:13 AM |
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On Fri 28 Jan 2005 12:37:42a, Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic), wrote:
Being human means having the right to doubt anything without fear of
retribution. Doubt is required for bringing out the real truth in
everything. It's like the cop that keeps the business man next door
honest.
No, doubt is not necessary to know the truth. Doubt is often what
drives someone to search for the truth when he believes a lie -- but if
he already knows the truth nothing is gained by doubting it.
Mistakes are required so that humans can learn to do things better,
because humans learn most from their mistakes.
No. Mistakes are not required for learning. Mistakes *can* help teach
lessons -- but they can also kill.
Imperfection is required to continue having better things to look
forward to, otherwise life stops and then it can no longer be called
life.
In this life, maybe. But the object of Christianity is to strive for
another life.
Christianity has outlawed all doubt, mistakes and imperfection - in
effect it has outlawed true humanness.
Christianity is truth -- it provides certitude. When someone *knows* he
can not doubt. Humans were created to know and love God. True
humaneness is *knowing* God as he is.
If the christian god hates humanness so much then why on earth did he
create humans? Clearly he did it only for sport. Either that or the
christian doctrine has gone berserk over the centuries because Jesus
didn't return to keep it in check.
The Christian God does not hate "humaneness" -- he created man in his
image -- true "humaneness" is fulfilling the potential God intended for
man -- not choosing to be at war with him. Your scope is limited --
your definition is flawed -- and your understanding is skewed.
If Jesus were to return today and someone handed him a bible, he
would most likely take one look at it and throw it into the nearest
rubbish bin.
No -- because his Word is good. What he would do is straighten out some
of the weird interpretations of the Bible.
--
RonB
"There's a story there...somewhere"
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| User: "Pro-Humanist FREELOVER" |
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| Title: Re: Being human |
28 Jan 2005 10:20:45 AM |
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"RonB" wrote ...
"Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic)" wrote ...
Being human means having the right to doubt anything without fear
of retribution. Doubt is required for bringing out the real truth in
everything. It's like the cop that keeps the business man next door
honest.
No, doubt is not necessary to know the truth. Doubt is often what
drives someone to search for the truth when he believes a lie -- but
if he already knows the truth nothing is gained by doubting it.
[...]
Religious faith has no 'knowing'. Hence, the Hindu, Christian,
Muslim, Catholic, Mormon, Buddhist, Sikh, Shinto, and Jew
doubt in religious faiths not one with their own, and choose to
follow the religious faith closest, in most cases, to that which
they were raised within.
Those unwilling to associate with any particular religious faith?
They doubt that God is represented by any religious faith, ac-
curately, and become rather deistic or theistic (no specific
religious affiliation) or agnostic or atheistic or secular humanists.
Secular humanists? They doubt that harming and threatening
others is wise, and hence seek to help others in this one *sure*
chance we have to do so, God or no God, though oft-times
those who choose secular humanism have an aversion to
most, if not all, religious faiths. They see the wisdom of sep-
aration of church and state, and doubt that tossing God into
politics is, generally speaking, a good idea.
- - -
¤ - ¤ - ¤ - ¤ - ¤ - ¤ - ¤ - ¤ - ¤ - ¤ - ¤ - ¤
~~~
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
http://fire.prohosting.com/prohuman
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
~~~
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| User: "Rhyme" |
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| Title: Re: Being human |
28 Jan 2005 04:03:31 AM |
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RonB wrote:
On Fri 28 Jan 2005 12:37:42a, Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic), wrote:
Being human means having the right to doubt anything without fear of
retribution. Doubt is required for bringing out the real truth in
everything. It's like the cop that keeps the business man next door
honest.
No, doubt is not necessary to know the truth. Doubt is often what
drives someone to search for the truth when he believes a lie -- but if
he already knows the truth nothing is gained by doubting it.
Mistakes are required so that humans can learn to do things better,
because humans learn most from their mistakes.
No. Mistakes are not required for learning. Mistakes *can* help teach
lessons -- but they can also kill.
Imperfection is required to continue having better things to look
forward to, otherwise life stops and then it can no longer be called
life.
In this life, maybe. But the object of Christianity is to strive for
another life.
Christianity has outlawed all doubt, mistakes and imperfection - in
effect it has outlawed true humanness.
Christianity is truth -- it provides certitude. When someone *knows* he
can not doubt. Humans were created to know and love God. True
humaneness is *knowing* God as he is.
If the christian god hates humanness so much then why on earth did he
create humans? Clearly he did it only for sport. Either that or the
christian doctrine has gone berserk over the centuries because Jesus
didn't return to keep it in check.
The Christian God does not hate "humaneness" -- he created man in his
image -- true "humaneness" is fulfilling the potential God intended for
man -- not choosing to be at war with him. Your scope is limited --
your definition is flawed -- and your understanding is skewed.
If Jesus were to return today and someone handed him a bible, he
would most likely take one look at it and throw it into the nearest
rubbish bin.
No -- because his Word is good. What he would do is straighten out some
of the weird interpretations of the Bible.
Oh dear.
-Rhyme
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Being human - |
28 Jan 2005 10:33:20 AM |
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RonB wrote:
On Fri 28 Jan 2005 12:37:42a, Andrew W (Paranormal Agnostic), wrote:
Being human means having the right to doubt anything without fear of
retribution. Doubt is required for bringing out the real truth in
everything. It's like the cop that keeps the business man next door
honest.
No, doubt is not necessary to know the truth. Doubt is often what
drives someone to search for the truth when he believes a lie -- but if
he already knows the truth nothing is gained by doubting it.
===>That is where science has it all over that way of thinking.
There are only PROVISIONAL "truths", subject to further verification
and refinement.
Mistakes are required so that humans can learn to do things better,
because humans learn most from their mistakes.
No. Mistakes are not required for learning. Mistakes *can* help teach
lessons -- but they can also kill.
===>So can "truths". Look at the Crusades, Inquisition and the Taliban!
Imperfection is required to continue having better things to look
forward to, otherwise life stops and then it can no longer be called
life.
In this life, maybe. But the object of Christianity is to strive for
another life.
===>So, one must be credulously striving
for a FALSE PROMISE?
Christianity has outlawed all doubt, mistakes and imperfection - in
effect it has outlawed true humanness.
Christianity is truth -- it provides certitude.
===>That is its biggest mistake.
Every little sect, cult and denomination is based on its mutually
contradictory "certitude".
When someone *knows* he
can not doubt. Humans were created to know and love God.
===>False. Gods were created to cover up human ignorance.
True humaneness is *knowing* God as he is.
===>All "believers" have their own gods, each different because
human individuals are different. Religions try to overcome that
by attempting to unify the concepts, but it is impossible. At most
they can achieve a perception that they are all believing in the
same god.
If the christian god hates humanness so much then why on earth did he
create humans? Clearly he did it only for sport. Either that or the
christian doctrine has gone berserk over the centuries because Jesus
didn't return to keep it in check.
The Christian God does not hate "humaneness" -- he created man in his
image
===>The reverse is the truth.
Humans have created gods in their own "image".
-- true "humaneness" is fulfilling the potential God intended for
man --
===>What "potential" is that?
According to the Genesis story, he did not even want
humans to have "knowledge of good and evil". Just
to be fruitful and multiply and fill the planet.
Is THAT what you mean?
not choosing to be at war with him.
===>People have been "at war" with one another
BECAUSE of "God" -- i.e. their belief that they are
the chosen ones of "God" and all others are sons
of "Satan".
Your scope is limited --
your definition is flawed -- and your understanding is skewed.
===>That may be true, but yours are non-existent.
You only THINK you have a "scope" and a "definition" and an
"understanding", but you lack the discernment to see your
mistake.
If Jesus were to return today and someone handed him a bible, he
would most likely take one look at it and throw it into the nearest
rubbish bin.
No -- because his Word is good. What he would do is straighten out some
of the weird interpretations of the Bible.
===>ALL interpretations are "weird", including yours.
Unless you accept it as a collection of literature, as simply the
writings of men who expressed their own ideas, opinions, speculations
and fantasies, you will keep on wanting to find "interpretations". -- L.
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