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"SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" |
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05 Dec 2007 04:38:51 PM |
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BIBLE BABBLE - THE "CREATION" STORY |
http://biblebabble.curbjaw.com/creation.htm
The Creation
But first a little disclaimer
My personal belief about the beginning of the universe is simple. Nobody
knows, nor will anyone ever be certain. I do believe there will be some
good theories, and so on, but never concrete proof, ruling out the invention
of time travel or something like that. But I do believe the Bible is
incorrect, and therefore should never be in public schools, especially in
science class.
The Two Accounts of Creation
If there is one thing to be said about the Bible, its that it doesn't
waste time in contradicting itself. Technically the very first word of the
Bible is the beginning of the first contradiction. The very first thing the
Bible covers is creation, and there are two accounts of creation in
Genesis... two different accounts. The first account starts at Genesis 1:1
and ends at Genesis 2:3. The second account begins at Genesis 2:4 and ends
at Genesis 2:25. Now let's see how they differ.
The order of creation in the first account.
1. Heaven and Earth
2. Light (night and day)
3. Sky
4. Plants
5. Sun, moon, and stars
6. Fish and birds
7. Land animals
8. Man and woman at the same time
The order of creation in the second account
1. Man
2. Plants
3. Birds and land animals
4. Woman
There is a reason to this, as there is for many of the errors in the
Bible. The first account originated in a time when man wanted to believe
that they were God's pride and joy. That this world was made for mankind.
God created everything, and made this nice little place for him to put his
masterpiece... man. The second account is from a time when men were seeking
dominance over women, and justified it by saying man was God's original
creation, and worked with God in naming things. Then women were made from a
left over part of a man. Women always get dumped on in the Bible.
Errors in the Creation
Aside from the obvious contradictions, there are just a lot of things in
this short section of the Bible that just doesn't make sense.
In Genesis 1:1 it says "In the beginning God created the heaven and the
earth.", then later on in Genesis 1:8 it says "And God called the firmament
Heaven." So did he create heaven twice? Are there two heavens? I thought
maybe the first statement was just saying what God did, then it was going to
explain in detail how he created heaven and earth... but in Genesis 1:2 the
earth has already been created. So I have to believe that there was a
double creation of heaven.
On the first day, God created light. No problem there, right? But God
didn't create any sources of light until the forth day. So did he only
invent the concept of light on the first day, but no light was around until
the forth day? If he had light, as well as darkness, and light and day...
then why did he have to make the sun, moon, and stars? No matter how you
look at the subject of light during the creation, it just doesn't add up.
Sunlight brings us to another problem. We know the sun was created on the
forth day... but plants were created on the third day. We know plants
require sunlight to live, so why did God make these things in this backwards
order? Now if we take the literal time frame, and a day in creation as
being a 24 hour period, the plant thing isn't a real problem... plants can
survive 24 hours. But then the whole creation story loses credibility...
who really believes the universe was created in less than a week? Not even
most creationist believe this one. That is why many people say that a day
in the creation was 1,000 to 7,000 years (depending on who you ask). Name a
plant that can live 7,000 years with perfect conditions... much less with no
sunlight.
Creation Science
This is possibly the biggest oxymoron of all time. How could you call
anything that supported the story of creation as fact a science? Its
amazing that anyone would try to get this stuff taught in class as a fact,
do you believe it? With all of these errors? Be honest.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE BABBLE - THE "CREATION" STORY |
14 Dec 2007 08:14:21 PM |
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"The Two Accounts of Creation
"[T]here are two accounts of creation in Genesis... two different
accounts. The first account starts at Genesis 1:1 and ends at Genesis
2:3. The second account begins at Genesis 2:4 and ends at Genesis
2:25.... The first [creation] account originated in a time when man
wanted to believe that they were God's pride and joy. That this world
was made for mankind. God created everything, and made this nice
little place for him to put his masterpiece... man. The second
[creation] account is from a time when men were seeking dominance over
women, and justified it by saying man was God's original creation, and
worked with God in naming things. Then women were made from a left
over part of a man. Women always get dumped on in the Bible."
IMO there is but a single creation account in Genesis. At Genesis 1:1
- 2:4, the entire creation account is set forth, but at Genesis 2:5 -
2:22, details relating to the third creative day forward are provided,
in which we learn the name of the man (Adam) and his wife (Eve). I
don't believe women are always getting "dumped on" in Scripture
either, although I suppose this opinion of yours (about the dissing of
women) may be largely based upon things that aren't expressed in your
post.
"In Genesis 1:1 it says 'In the beginning God created the heaven and
the earth', then later on in Genesis 1:8 it says 'And God called the
firmament Heaven.' So did he create heaven twice? Are there two
heavens? I thought maybe the first statement was just saying what God
did, then it was going to explain in detail how he created heaven and
earth... but in Genesis 1:2 the earth has already been created. So I
have to believe that there was a double creation of heaven. On the
first day, God created light. No problem there, right? But God
didn't create any sources of light until the forth day. So did he
only invent the concept of light on the first day, but no light was
around until the [fourth] day? If he had light, as well as darkness,
and light and day... then why did he have to make the sun, moon, and
stars? No matter how you look at the subject of light during the
creation, it just doesn't add up.
"Sunlight brings us to another problem. We know the sun was created
on the [fourth] day... but plants were created on the third day. We
know plants require sunlight to live, so why did God make these things
in this backwards order? Now if we take the literal time frame, and a
day in creation as being a 24 hour period, the plant thing isn't a
real problem... plants can survive 24 hours. But then the whole
creation story loses credibility... who really believes the universe
was created in less than a week? Not even most creationist believe
this one. That is why many people say that a day in the creation was
1,000 to 7,000 years (depending on who you ask). Name a plant that
can live 7,000 years with perfect conditions... much less with no
sunlight."
Genesis 1:1 indicates that the earth had a beginning, but it doesn't
provide details as to what happened between Genesis 1:1 and Genesis
1:2. As to what the rest of Genesis chapter 1 goes on to tell us
occurred "[i]n the beginning," it seems the earth was enshrouded in
darkness when light was added. Since we don't know how far away light
had to travel in order to reach the earth, this could have taken a
very long time considering the number of light years it would have
taken to span just our Milky Way alone, but Scripture doesn't inform
us as to how long each creative day was; whether each of these "days"
was 1,000 years, 7,000 years or even 50,000 years in length, we are
not told.
It then goes on to say that there was a firmament separated by waters
that were divided above and below it. Then dry land began to appear,
and grass, trees and seeds of all kinds, followed by the heavenly
bodies (the sun, moon and stars). This was followed by birds flying
"in the open firmament of heaven" and marine life, and then came the
animals and then man. Of course, you are certainly free to think the
Genesis creation account to be a scientifically implausible, even
fictional account although I opine it to be scientifically sound.
But remember that at Genesis 1:14, we learn that there was light
although it may not have been as discernible as light came to be when
heavenly bodies, like the sun, had been put into their positions by
God on the fourth creative day. Also, at Genesis 2:5, 6, we are told
that because man had not yet been created that could "till the
ground," the only things that were in place in that time that could
handle plant growth and the growth of other vegetation was this
diffused light and the mist that came up from the earth as a result of
the division of the waters that separated the firmament on the second
creative day. We are told that this mist "watered the whole face of
the ground." Again, you are suggesting that there was no sunlight,
but Scripture tells us at Genesis 1:3, that "there was light" on the
first creative day, which suggests that there was sufficient sunlight
so that photosynthesis could take place.
"Creation Science"
IMO, creation science is not scientific and should not be taught in a
classroom as if it were in some way on a par with science.
Peace
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: BIBLE BABBLE - THE "CREATION" STORY |
14 Dec 2007 09:54:51 PM |
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On Dec 5, 5:38 pm, "SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim" <kill...@killgod.com>
wrote:
http://biblebabble.curbjaw.com/creation.htm
Ps 14:1, 53:1
The fool says in his heart, "There is no God ." (NIV)
May God bless,
Carl
my website -- http://www.nettally.com/saints/
my blog -- http://www.anniemayhem.com/cgi-bin/wordpress/
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