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17 Aug 2005 12:28:42 AM |
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Bible Bob do you have a Lexicon open? |
On page 360 of the book "The Message of Romans" by John R.W. Stott,
Stott is tranlating Romans 14:1 and types out the greek words
"Diakriseis" and "dialogismoi." Both words seem to be contrary to my
Strongs NASB greek dictionary concordance which uses the word
"diakrisis" for passing judgement and the word "dialogismos" for the
english word opinions.
So who made the mistake? Stott or the Lockman Foundation?
Unfortunately the NASB Strongs concordance in my computer is not as
sophisticated as I would like and I do not have easy access to the
Lexicons and other greek works at my former christian university. On
top of this the NT resident scholar at the school passed away, and such
a question may not be appropiate for the ministry, theology, and OT
scholars at the college.
So I would appreciate your help.
Thank you!
John
PS- Maybe my NASB Strongs Concordance is 100% accurate and I did not
know it. I do not try to write too many Exegetical Bible Messages for
the reason of a lack of powerful tools. When I mean powerful I am
talking about some nice Lexicons, huge concordances, dictionary of
biblical imagery, Vines, and many other tools. This is why most of my
messages are either topical or apologetics based.
--
BA Church Education Ministries AS Business/IT specialist
CERM- Church Education Resource Ministries
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/unbeliever_list.htm
2 Tim 4:2
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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17 Aug 2005 09:14:05 AM |
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:28:42 -0700, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
On page 360 of the book "The Message of Romans" by John R.W. Stott,
Stott is tranlating Romans 14:1 and types out the greek words
"Diakriseis" and "dialogismoi." Both words seem to be contrary to my
Strongs NASB greek dictionary concordance which uses the word
"diakrisis" for passing judgement and the word "dialogismos" for the
english word opinions.
The Greek Text reads "diakriseis dialogismon" which a concordance or
lexicon will render dialogismos and diakrisis. There are no variant
readings in the Greek texts for that verse. You do not need a
concordance or lexicon to find the meaning of a word. You need it to
show you where the first usage of the Greek word occurs. Words are
defined the first time they are used in the Bible in the conttect in
which they are used. Subsequent usages may shed additional light or
nuances of meaning but the first usage gives you the definition. The
first usage of dialogismos is he word "reasoned" in Matthew 16:7.
Matthew 16:7 KJV
And they reasoned among themselves, saying, [It is] because we have
taken no bread.
Romans 14:1 contains the first usage of "diakrisis", the other two are
in 1 Cor 12:10 (discerning) and Heb 5:14 (discern). The noun
diskrisis is formed from the verb diakrino word is formed from dia (by
or through) and krino (to distinguish, separate).
Still the context is what determines the meaning and the word "for"
beginning verse two points to the reason and gives the meaning of the
words.
Romans 14:1 KJV
Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, [but] not to doubtful
disputations.
Romans 14:2 KJV
For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak,
eateth herbs.
One thinks this and and other thinks that, receive them not the
arguments.
In other words accept the oneness people, not the doctrines. One of
the most important things you must learn to do as a man and as a
leader is to be able to separate the person from the problem. We are
required to love the person, not the problem. I am able to put up
with you because I separate you (which is good) from your behavior
(which is sometimes bad).
So who made the mistake? Stott or the Lockman Foundation?
Unfortunately the NASB Strongs concordance in my computer is not as
sophisticated as I would like and I do not have easy access to the
Lexicons and other greek works at my former christian university. On
top of this the NT resident scholar at the school passed away, and such
a question may not be appropiate for the ministry, theology, and OT
scholars at the college.
So I would appreciate your help.
Thank you!
John
PS- Maybe my NASB Strongs Concordance is 100% accurate and I did not
know it. I do not try to write too many Exegetical Bible Messages for
the reason of a lack of powerful tools. When I mean powerful I am
talking about some nice Lexicons, huge concordances, dictionary of
biblical imagery, Vines, and many other tools. This is why most of my
messages are either topical or apologetics based.
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
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| User: "Bible John" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Bob do you have a Lexicon open? |
17 Aug 2005 10:03:12 AM |
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Thanks
In article <j5g6g1t0rembdfunb44c05g338honscea2@4ax.com>,
Bible Bob <biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:28:42 -0700, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
On page 360 of the book "The Message of Romans" by John R.W. Stott,
Stott is tranlating Romans 14:1 and types out the greek words
"Diakriseis" and "dialogismoi." Both words seem to be contrary to my
Strongs NASB greek dictionary concordance which uses the word
"diakrisis" for passing judgement and the word "dialogismos" for the
english word opinions.
The Greek Text reads "diakriseis dialogismon" which a concordance or
lexicon will render dialogismos and diakrisis. There are no variant
readings in the Greek texts for that verse. You do not need a
concordance or lexicon to find the meaning of a word. You need it to
show you where the first usage of the Greek word occurs. Words are
defined the first time they are used in the Bible in the conttect in
which they are used. Subsequent usages may shed additional light or
nuances of meaning but the first usage gives you the definition. The
first usage of dialogismos is he word "reasoned" in Matthew 16:7.
Matthew 16:7 KJV
And they reasoned among themselves, saying, [It is] because we have
taken no bread.
Romans 14:1 contains the first usage of "diakrisis", the other two are
in 1 Cor 12:10 (discerning) and Heb 5:14 (discern). The noun
diskrisis is formed from the verb diakrino word is formed from dia (by
or through) and krino (to distinguish, separate).
Still the context is what determines the meaning and the word "for"
beginning verse two points to the reason and gives the meaning of the
words.
Romans 14:1 KJV
Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, [but] not to doubtful
disputations.
Romans 14:2 KJV
For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak,
eateth herbs.
One thinks this and and other thinks that, receive them not the
arguments.
In other words accept the oneness people, not the doctrines. One of
the most important things you must learn to do as a man and as a
leader is to be able to separate the person from the problem. We are
required to love the person, not the problem. I am able to put up
with you because I separate you (which is good) from your behavior
(which is sometimes bad).
So who made the mistake? Stott or the Lockman Foundation?
Unfortunately the NASB Strongs concordance in my computer is not as
sophisticated as I would like and I do not have easy access to the
Lexicons and other greek works at my former christian university. On
top of this the NT resident scholar at the school passed away, and such
a question may not be appropiate for the ministry, theology, and OT
scholars at the college.
So I would appreciate your help.
Thank you!
John
PS- Maybe my NASB Strongs Concordance is 100% accurate and I did not
know it. I do not try to write too many Exegetical Bible Messages for
the reason of a lack of powerful tools. When I mean powerful I am
talking about some nice Lexicons, huge concordances, dictionary of
biblical imagery, Vines, and many other tools. This is why most of my
messages are either topical or apologetics based.
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
--
BA Church Education Ministries AS Business/IT specialist
CERM- Church Education Resource Ministries
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/unbeliever_list.htm
2 Tim 4:2
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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17 Aug 2005 10:04:59 AM |
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 08:03:12 -0700, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
Thanks
No problem.
In article <j5g6g1t0rembdfunb44c05g338honscea2@4ax.com>,
Bible Bob <biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:28:42 -0700, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
On page 360 of the book "The Message of Romans" by John R.W. Stott,
Stott is tranlating Romans 14:1 and types out the greek words
"Diakriseis" and "dialogismoi." Both words seem to be contrary to my
Strongs NASB greek dictionary concordance which uses the word
"diakrisis" for passing judgement and the word "dialogismos" for the
english word opinions.
The Greek Text reads "diakriseis dialogismon" which a concordance or
lexicon will render dialogismos and diakrisis. There are no variant
readings in the Greek texts for that verse. You do not need a
concordance or lexicon to find the meaning of a word. You need it to
show you where the first usage of the Greek word occurs. Words are
defined the first time they are used in the Bible in the conttect in
which they are used. Subsequent usages may shed additional light or
nuances of meaning but the first usage gives you the definition. The
first usage of dialogismos is he word "reasoned" in Matthew 16:7.
Matthew 16:7 KJV
And they reasoned among themselves, saying, [It is] because we have
taken no bread.
Romans 14:1 contains the first usage of "diakrisis", the other two are
in 1 Cor 12:10 (discerning) and Heb 5:14 (discern). The noun
diskrisis is formed from the verb diakrino word is formed from dia (by
or through) and krino (to distinguish, separate).
Still the context is what determines the meaning and the word "for"
beginning verse two points to the reason and gives the meaning of the
words.
Romans 14:1 KJV
Him that is weak in the faith receive ye, [but] not to doubtful
disputations.
Romans 14:2 KJV
For one believeth that he may eat all things: another, who is weak,
eateth herbs.
One thinks this and and other thinks that, receive them not the
arguments.
In other words accept the oneness people, not the doctrines. One of
the most important things you must learn to do as a man and as a
leader is to be able to separate the person from the problem. We are
required to love the person, not the problem. I am able to put up
with you because I separate you (which is good) from your behavior
(which is sometimes bad).
So who made the mistake? Stott or the Lockman Foundation?
Unfortunately the NASB Strongs concordance in my computer is not as
sophisticated as I would like and I do not have easy access to the
Lexicons and other greek works at my former christian university. On
top of this the NT resident scholar at the school passed away, and such
a question may not be appropiate for the ministry, theology, and OT
scholars at the college.
So I would appreciate your help.
Thank you!
John
PS- Maybe my NASB Strongs Concordance is 100% accurate and I did not
know it. I do not try to write too many Exegetical Bible Messages for
the reason of a lack of powerful tools. When I mean powerful I am
talking about some nice Lexicons, huge concordances, dictionary of
biblical imagery, Vines, and many other tools. This is why most of my
messages are either topical or apologetics based.
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
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| User: "jw" |
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17 Aug 2005 10:29:59 AM |
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:28:42 -0700, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
post can be reproduced ANYWHERE w/o expressed written consent of
author
On page 360 of the book "The Message of Romans" by John R.W. Stott,
Stott is tranlating Romans 14:1 and types out the greek words
"Diakriseis" and "dialogismoi." Both words seem to be contrary to my
Strongs NASB greek dictionary concordance which uses the word
"diakrisis" for passing judgement and the word "dialogismos" for the
english word opinions.
Well, BJ, I see-- again -- that your "promises" are worthless, and
AGAIN that yuo are an arrogant, ego-driven liar.
You PROMISED me SEVERAL times that you would "wash your hands" of BB.
You promised PUBLICLY, and you promised PRIVATELY.
Yet here you are again, "reaching out" to one who is beyond your
reach.
Remember our discussion that BB is among those (Steve W) among them,
who are OBVIOUSLY under the COMPLETE control of the Evil One and who
need an INVERVENTION, and NOT just your prayer and the sweat of your
brow?
You evidently don't remember, or you have set aside your promises.
And you wonder why I "set you aside."
jw
So who made the mistake? Stott or the Lockman Foundation?
Unfortunately the NASB Strongs concordance in my computer is not as
sophisticated as I would like and I do not have easy access to the
Lexicons and other greek works at my former christian university. On
top of this the NT resident scholar at the school passed away, and such
a question may not be appropiate for the ministry, theology, and OT
scholars at the college.
So I would appreciate your help.
Thank you!
John
PS- Maybe my NASB Strongs Concordance is 100% accurate and I did not
know it. I do not try to write too many Exegetical Bible Messages for
the reason of a lack of powerful tools. When I mean powerful I am
talking about some nice Lexicons, huge concordances, dictionary of
biblical imagery, Vines, and many other tools. This is why most of my
messages are either topical or apologetics based.
.
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| User: "Bible John" |
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17 Aug 2005 02:33:36 PM |
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In article <kql6g11kq4690aafdsbomdkitcajd6j4fu@4ax.com>,
jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:28:42 -0700, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
post can be reproduced ANYWHERE w/o expressed written consent of
author
On page 360 of the book "The Message of Romans" by John R.W. Stott,
Stott is tranlating Romans 14:1 and types out the greek words
"Diakriseis" and "dialogismoi." Both words seem to be contrary to my
Strongs NASB greek dictionary concordance which uses the word
"diakrisis" for passing judgement and the word "dialogismos" for the
english word opinions.
Well, BJ, I see-- again -- that your "promises" are worthless, and
AGAIN that yuo are an arrogant, ego-driven liar.
You PROMISED me SEVERAL times that you would "wash your hands" of BB.
You promised PUBLICLY, and you promised PRIVATELY.
Yes JW you said to me that BB was demon possessed. While I agree that
BB is under the influence of the evil one I also agree that there is no
harm in asking BB a question relevant to a greek word study, which has
nothing at all to do with theology or ministry philosophy and
methodology. But since you were removed from seminary you would not
understand. Cults can be the best greek scholars. In fact some of my
books that I was required to read were written by unbelievers, cults,
and liberal denominations. But since the subject matter was not in the
areas of ministry or theology it was okay.
But I can imagine you throwing out every history, math, and general ed
book because it was not written by a christian.
So I ask you JW what is wrong with seeking the advice from a cult in the
Liberal Arts? JW did you know that Greek is a language that can be
taught by a cult as effectively as a christian?
John
Yet here you are again, "reaching out" to one who is beyond your
reach.
Remember our discussion that BB is among those (Steve W) among them,
who are OBVIOUSLY under the COMPLETE control of the Evil One and who
need an INVERVENTION, and NOT just your prayer and the sweat of your
brow?
You evidently don't remember, or you have set aside your promises.
And you wonder why I "set you aside."
jw
So who made the mistake? Stott or the Lockman Foundation?
Unfortunately the NASB Strongs concordance in my computer is not as
sophisticated as I would like and I do not have easy access to the
Lexicons and other greek works at my former christian university. On
top of this the NT resident scholar at the school passed away, and such
a question may not be appropiate for the ministry, theology, and OT
scholars at the college.
So I would appreciate your help.
Thank you!
John
PS- Maybe my NASB Strongs Concordance is 100% accurate and I did not
know it. I do not try to write too many Exegetical Bible Messages for
the reason of a lack of powerful tools. When I mean powerful I am
talking about some nice Lexicons, huge concordances, dictionary of
biblical imagery, Vines, and many other tools. This is why most of my
messages are either topical or apologetics based.
--
BA Church Education Ministries AS Business/IT specialist
CERM- Church Education Resource Ministries
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/unbeliever_list.htm
2 Tim 4:2
AIM: Crucifyself03
Spelling and grammar errors left
in for those that
need their life fulfilled by correcting me
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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17 Aug 2005 03:17:45 PM |
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:33:36 -0700, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
In article <kql6g11kq4690aafdsbomdkitcajd6j4fu@4ax.com>,
jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:28:42 -0700, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
post can be reproduced ANYWHERE w/o expressed written consent of
author
On page 360 of the book "The Message of Romans" by John R.W. Stott,
Stott is tranlating Romans 14:1 and types out the greek words
"Diakriseis" and "dialogismoi." Both words seem to be contrary to my
Strongs NASB greek dictionary concordance which uses the word
"diakrisis" for passing judgement and the word "dialogismos" for the
english word opinions.
Well, BJ, I see-- again -- that your "promises" are worthless, and
AGAIN that yuo are an arrogant, ego-driven liar.
You PROMISED me SEVERAL times that you would "wash your hands" of BB.
You promised PUBLICLY, and you promised PRIVATELY.
Yes JW you said to me that BB was demon possessed. While I agree that
BB is under the influence of the evil one I also agree that there is no
harm in asking BB a question relevant to a greek word study, which has
nothing at all to do with theology or ministry philosophy and
methodology. But since you were removed from seminary you would not
understand. Cults can be the best greek scholars. In fact some of my
books that I was required to read were written by unbelievers, cults,
and liberal denominations. But since the subject matter was not in the
areas of ministry or theology it was okay.
But I can imagine you throwing out every history, math, and general ed
book because it was not written by a christian.
So I ask you JW what is wrong with seeking the advice from a cult in the
Liberal Arts? JW did you know that Greek is a language that can be
taught by a cult as effectively as a christian?
John
John,
Well John, if I were a messenger of Satan, then you would be
fellowshiping with darkness which is a no no. But you are drawn to my
light and know that I represent the One True God. So don't worry
about charges tossed at you by false gods such as jw.
jw demands worship. Jesus told Satan who also desired worship.
Compare jw's communications with you to what Satan communicated to
Jesus and then handle the situation the way Jesus did.
Matthew 4:4 KJV
But he answered and said, It is written, Man shall not live by bread
alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of God.
Matthew 4:5 KJV
Then the devil taketh him up into the holy city, and setteth him on a
pinnacle of the temple,
Matthew 4:6 KJV
And saith unto him, If thou be the Son of God, cast thyself down: for
it is written, He shall give his angels charge concerning thee: and in
[their] hands they shall bear thee up, lest at any time thou dash thy
foot against a stone.
Matthew 4:7 KJV
Jesus said unto him, It is written again, Thou shalt not tempt the
Lord thy God.
Matthew 4:8 KJV
Again, the devil taketh him up into an exceeding high mountain, and
sheweth him all the kingdoms of the world, and the glory of them;
Matthew 4:9 KJV
And saith unto him, All these things will I give thee, if thou wilt
fall down and worship me.
Matthew 4:10 KJV
Then saith Jesus unto him, Get thee hence, Satan: for it is written,
Thou shalt worship the Lord thy God, and him only shalt thou serve.
Use the spirit that God gave you. Let it work in you. jw is to be
pitied, not worshipped or served.
The True God did not tell jw that I was demon possessed, Satan told jw
through the spirit that is in and around him that lie. jw is mentally
ill. What causes mental illness? What causes the organic defect that
causes mental illness. If God has not given us the sprit of fear,
but of power and of love and of a sound mind (2 Tim 1:7), then who did
give jw the spirit of fear, hatred, and an unsound mind? There are
two gods; God and the god of this world who is Satan. As Bob Dillon
sang, "Everybody's gotta serve somebody. It may be the devil or it may
be the Lord, but ya gotta serve somebody." Wake up John.
Yet here you are again, "reaching out" to one who is beyond your
reach.
Remember our discussion that BB is among those (Steve W) among them,
who are OBVIOUSLY under the COMPLETE control of the Evil One and who
need an INVERVENTION, and NOT just your prayer and the sweat of your
brow?
You evidently don't remember, or you have set aside your promises.
And you wonder why I "set you aside."
jw
So who made the mistake? Stott or the Lockman Foundation?
Unfortunately the NASB Strongs concordance in my computer is not as
sophisticated as I would like and I do not have easy access to the
Lexicons and other greek works at my former christian university. On
top of this the NT resident scholar at the school passed away, and such
a question may not be appropiate for the ministry, theology, and OT
scholars at the college.
So I would appreciate your help.
Thank you!
John
PS- Maybe my NASB Strongs Concordance is 100% accurate and I did not
know it. I do not try to write too many Exegetical Bible Messages for
the reason of a lack of powerful tools. When I mean powerful I am
talking about some nice Lexicons, huge concordances, dictionary of
biblical imagery, Vines, and many other tools. This is why most of my
messages are either topical or apologetics based.
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
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| User: "jw" |
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17 Aug 2005 10:21:54 PM |
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:17:45 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
post can be reproduced ANYWHERE w/o expressed written consent of
author
On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:33:36 -0700, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
In article <kql6g11kq4690aafdsbomdkitcajd6j4fu@4ax.com>,
jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:28:42 -0700, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
post can be reproduced ANYWHERE w/o expressed written consent of
author
On page 360 of the book "The Message of Romans" by John R.W. Stott,
Stott is tranlating Romans 14:1 and types out the greek words
"Diakriseis" and "dialogismoi." Both words seem to be contrary to my
Strongs NASB greek dictionary concordance which uses the word
"diakrisis" for passing judgement and the word "dialogismos" for the
english word opinions.
Well, BJ, I see-- again -- that your "promises" are worthless, and
AGAIN that yuo are an arrogant, ego-driven liar.
You PROMISED me SEVERAL times that you would "wash your hands" of BB.
You promised PUBLICLY, and you promised PRIVATELY.
Yes JW you said to me that BB was demon possessed. While I agree that
BB is under the influence of the evil one I also agree that there is no
harm in asking BB a question relevant to a greek word study, which has
nothing at all to do with theology or ministry philosophy and
methodology. But since you were removed from seminary you would not
understand. Cults can be the best greek scholars. In fact some of my
books that I was required to read were written by unbelievers, cults,
and liberal denominations. But since the subject matter was not in the
areas of ministry or theology it was okay.
But I can imagine you throwing out every history, math, and general ed
book because it was not written by a christian.
So I ask you JW what is wrong with seeking the advice from a cult in the
Liberal Arts? JW did you know that Greek is a language that can be
taught by a cult as effectively as a christian?
John
John,
Well John, if I were a messenger of Satan, then you would be
fellowshiping with darkness which is a no no. But you are drawn to my
light and know that I represent the One True God. So don't worry
about charges tossed at you by false gods such as jw.
Your demons are causing you to lie, BB. I have NEVER claimed to be a
"god."
jw demands worship.
Your demons have caused you to lie AGAIN, BB.
Post the staement in which I demanded worship.
You are a liar, like BJ, and you are a child of your father, the
Prince of Liars.
snip KJV
Use the spirit that God gave you. Let it work in you. jw is to be
pitied, not worshipped or served.
'
You are a pitiful tool of your father, Satan, BB. AGAIN, post the
statements in which I demanded worship.
The True God did not tell jw that I was demon possessed,
That's exactly who did.
And now you are shrieking like a demon that has been found among the
sheep in a wolf's skin.
snip
jw
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17 Aug 2005 10:38:37 PM |
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:21:54 -0700, jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo> wrote:
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:17:45 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> wrote:
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:33:36 -0700, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
In article <kql6g11kq4690aafdsbomdkitcajd6j4fu@4ax.com>,
jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo> wrote:
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:28:42 -0700, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
post can be reproduced ANYWHERE w/o expressed written consent of
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On page 360 of the book "The Message of Romans" by John R.W. Stott,
Stott is tranlating Romans 14:1 and types out the greek words
"Diakriseis" and "dialogismoi." Both words seem to be contrary to my
Strongs NASB greek dictionary concordance which uses the word
"diakrisis" for passing judgement and the word "dialogismos" for the
english word opinions.
Well, BJ, I see-- again -- that your "promises" are worthless, and
AGAIN that yuo are an arrogant, ego-driven liar.
You PROMISED me SEVERAL times that you would "wash your hands" of BB.
You promised PUBLICLY, and you promised PRIVATELY.
Yes JW you said to me that BB was demon possessed. While I agree that
BB is under the influence of the evil one I also agree that there is no
harm in asking BB a question relevant to a greek word study, which has
nothing at all to do with theology or ministry philosophy and
methodology. But since you were removed from seminary you would not
understand. Cults can be the best greek scholars. In fact some of my
books that I was required to read were written by unbelievers, cults,
and liberal denominations. But since the subject matter was not in the
areas of ministry or theology it was okay.
But I can imagine you throwing out every history, math, and general ed
book because it was not written by a christian.
So I ask you JW what is wrong with seeking the advice from a cult in the
Liberal Arts? JW did you know that Greek is a language that can be
taught by a cult as effectively as a christian?
John
John,
Well John, if I were a messenger of Satan, then you would be
fellowshiping with darkness which is a no no. But you are drawn to my
light and know that I represent the One True God. So don't worry
about charges tossed at you by false gods such as jw.
Your demons are causing you to lie, BB. I have NEVER claimed to be a
"god."
jw demands worship.
Your demons have caused you to lie AGAIN, BB.
Post the staement in which I demanded worship.
You are a liar, like BJ, and you are a child of your father, the
Prince of Liars.
jw,
Don't need to quote your posts - day after day you demand people obey
you - and day after day you spread hatred and lies. If you are not
honest enough to admit your shortcomings in public, you would be wise
to admit them to God whom it appears you think you are fooling. Be
warned, you do not really fool Him. You fool yourself.
As I said, you are a false god; one that no one pays attention to
because you have no power and your words are not true.
snip KJV
Use the spirit that God gave you. Let it work in you. jw is to be
pitied, not worshipped or served.
'
You are a pitiful tool of your father, Satan, BB. AGAIN, post the
statements in which I demanded worship.
The True God did not tell jw that I was demon possessed,
That's exactly who did.
And now you are shrieking like a demon that has been found among the
sheep in a wolf's skin.
snip
jw
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
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| User: "Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Bob do you have a Lexicon open? |
18 Aug 2005 02:27:43 AM |
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jw wrote:
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The True God did not tell jw that I was demon
possessed,
That's exactly who did.
He did? Wow! What did he sound like?
And now you are shrieking like a demon that has been
found among the sheep in a wolf's skin.
Not really. Bob made no claims about specific things you have said
about yourself, but it's pretty clear that there's a lot of
self-worship going on, and you expect others to fall in line. But Bob
knows who and what you are and even though we are philosophically on
different planes, I know, too. You're a coward, a liar, and a phony,
and if you're tired of seeing me point that out (you've shown several
times that you lie about killfiling people), don't let me see any more
of your crap in free.christians.
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| User: "jw" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Bob do you have a Lexicon open? |
17 Aug 2005 10:18:34 PM |
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:33:36 -0700, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
post can be reproduced ANYWHERE w/o expressed written consent of
author
In article <kql6g11kq4690aafdsbomdkitcajd6j4fu@4ax.com>,
jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo> wrote:
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On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:28:42 -0700, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
post can be reproduced ANYWHERE w/o expressed written consent of
author
On page 360 of the book "The Message of Romans" by John R.W. Stott,
Stott is tranlating Romans 14:1 and types out the greek words
"Diakriseis" and "dialogismoi." Both words seem to be contrary to my
Strongs NASB greek dictionary concordance which uses the word
"diakrisis" for passing judgement and the word "dialogismos" for the
english word opinions.
Well, BJ, I see-- again -- that your "promises" are worthless, and
AGAIN that yuo are an arrogant, ego-driven liar.
You PROMISED me SEVERAL times that you would "wash your hands" of BB.
You promised PUBLICLY, and you promised PRIVATELY.
Yes JW you said to me that BB was demon possessed.
I said "very likely", or "very probably". Without meeting him
face-to-face I can't tell.
While I agree that
BB is under the influence of the evil one I also agree that there is no
harm in asking BB a question relevant to a greek word study, which has
nothing at all to do with theology or ministry philosophy and
methodology.
You can certainly always find excuses for what you choose to do.
But since you were removed from seminary you would not
understand.
And you have now divulged the last confidence I will place in you.
Thanks!
I believe I made it VERY claer that I was telilng you that information
in CONFIDENCE.
And now that you have showed so little character as to reveal it to
the whole group, I will be happy to spread the word that you are one
who cannot be trusted.
You have finally showed YOUR true colors. You are another wolf in
sheep's clothing.
***** you off, and you do the lowest things!
I'm sure Joel will appreciate knowing that, as well as Jason.
Cults can be the best greek scholars. In fact some of my
books that I was required to read were written by unbelievers, cults,
and liberal denominations. But since the subject matter was not in the
areas of ministry or theology it was okay.
But I can imagine you throwing out every history, math, and general ed
book because it was not written by a christian.
Absurd! YOu have finally proved that you rae a little man, and a
bigot, and a liar, and a deceiver, and a fraud.
So I ask you JW what is wrong with seeking the advice from a cult in the
Liberal Arts? JW did you know that Greek is a language that can be
taught by a cult as effectively as a christian?
Since you have now revealed something to the whole world that I told
you QUITE confidentially, don't expect me to answer ANY other
qusetions for you.
I see when you get angry, your demons emerge.
You have just caused me REAL harm; I had NO idea you were this petty!
jw
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| User: "Doc Watson docwatson@yup" |
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18 Aug 2005 10:27:19 AM |
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:18:34 -0700, jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo> said the
following funny stuff in this here little old new 'froup:
You have just caused me REAL harm; I had NO idea you were this petty!
jw
So what's next now that he poured water on you, Legion? Will you melt
away just like that wicked old witch in the Wizard of Oz?
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| User: "Bible Bob" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Bob do you have a Lexicon open? |
17 Aug 2005 10:45:16 PM |
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 20:18:34 -0700, jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo> wrote:
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On Wed, 17 Aug 2005 12:33:36 -0700, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
post can be reproduced ANYWHERE w/o expressed written consent of
author
In article <kql6g11kq4690aafdsbomdkitcajd6j4fu@4ax.com>,
jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo> wrote:
x-no-archive: yes
On Tue, 16 Aug 2005 22:28:42 -0700, Bible John
<john.doggett@x-files.gov> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
post can be reproduced ANYWHERE w/o expressed written consent of
author
On page 360 of the book "The Message of Romans" by John R.W. Stott,
Stott is tranlating Romans 14:1 and types out the greek words
"Diakriseis" and "dialogismoi." Both words seem to be contrary to my
Strongs NASB greek dictionary concordance which uses the word
"diakrisis" for passing judgement and the word "dialogismos" for the
english word opinions.
Well, BJ, I see-- again -- that your "promises" are worthless, and
AGAIN that yuo are an arrogant, ego-driven liar.
You PROMISED me SEVERAL times that you would "wash your hands" of BB.
You promised PUBLICLY, and you promised PRIVATELY.
Yes JW you said to me that BB was demon possessed.
I said "very likely", or "very probably". Without meeting him
face-to-face I can't tell.
While I agree that
BB is under the influence of the evil one I also agree that there is no
harm in asking BB a question relevant to a greek word study, which has
nothing at all to do with theology or ministry philosophy and
methodology.
You can certainly always find excuses for what you choose to do.
But since you were removed from seminary you would not
understand.
And you have now divulged the last confidence I will place in you.
Thanks!
I believe I made it VERY claer that I was telilng you that information
in CONFIDENCE.
And now that you have showed so little character as to reveal it to
the whole group, I will be happy to spread the word that you are one
who cannot be trusted.
You have finally showed YOUR true colors. You are another wolf in
sheep's clothing.
***** you off, and you do the lowest things!
I'm sure Joel will appreciate knowing that, as well as Jason.
Cults can be the best greek scholars. In fact some of my
books that I was required to read were written by unbelievers, cults,
and liberal denominations. But since the subject matter was not in the
areas of ministry or theology it was okay.
But I can imagine you throwing out every history, math, and general ed
book because it was not written by a christian.
Absurd! YOu have finally proved that you rae a little man, and a
bigot, and a liar, and a deceiver, and a fraud.
So I ask you JW what is wrong with seeking the advice from a cult in the
Liberal Arts? JW did you know that Greek is a language that can be
taught by a cult as effectively as a christian?
Since you have now revealed something to the whole world that I told
you QUITE confidentially, don't expect me to answer ANY other
qusetions for you.
I see when you get angry, your demons emerge.
You have just caused me REAL harm; I had NO idea you were this petty!
jw
snip
John,
What jw said is true and warrants your attention. One of the most
important things a minister has to learn is to keep private things
private. If jw revealed something to you in confidence, and you made
it public then you have ruined your own reputation as a minister. No
one will confide in a blabber mouth. I believe that you have
indicated that you want to serve the body of Christ. To do that you
will have to learn how to keep confidential things confidential.
How do you think jw feels? Don't you think he feels betrayed? He is
a man with feelings and emotions and dreams just like you.
Non-commercial website where everything is free.
http://www.biblebob.net
BB
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| User: "Doc Watson docwatson@yup" |
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18 Aug 2005 10:35:08 AM |
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:45:16 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> said the following funny stuff in this
here little old new 'froup:
someone said:
But since you were removed from seminary you would not
understand.
And you have now divulged the last confidence I will place in you.
So- are you finally admitting that you WERE removed from the seminary
against your will? I never thought I would see the day..........but
it's about time.
Like I said a long time ago, I also figured that, but you denied it,
labeling me a so-called liar!!!!
I am delighted to see that while you AGAIN pooped in your own nest,
you are the one having to clean your own mess up.
Now, I await your apology for calling me a liar for telling the
truth.. but I won't hold my breath waiting.
DOC
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| User: "jw" |
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18 Aug 2005 02:42:20 PM |
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:35:08 -0400, Doc Watson <docwatson@yup> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
post can be reproduced ANYWHERE w/o expressed written consent of
author
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:45:16 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> said the following funny stuff in this
here little old new 'froup:
someone said:
But since you were removed from seminary you would not
understand.
And you have now divulged the last confidence I will place in you.
So- are you finally admitting that you WERE removed from the seminary
against your will? I never thought I would see the day..........but
it's about time.
Like I said a long time ago, I also figured that, but you denied it,
labeling me a so-called liar!!!!
I was likely not denying a fact, but denying your false assumptions.
I said I had one year of seminary; I did not say under what conditions
I left. And neither did bj.
Speculate away. I won't tell you any more than he has.
And I've already arranged to do him as much damage as he's done me.
jw
I am delighted to see that while you AGAIN pooped in your own nest,
you are the one having to clean your own mess up.
Now, I await your apology for calling me a liar for telling the
truth.. but I won't hold my breath waiting.
DOC
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| User: "ujb" |
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18 Aug 2005 05:00:13 PM |
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"jw
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:35:08 -0400, Doc Watson <docwatson@yup> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
post can be reproduced ANYWHERE w/o expressed written consent of
author
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:45:16 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> said the following funny stuff in this
here little old new 'froup:
someone said:
But since you were removed from seminary you would not
understand.
And you have now divulged the last confidence I will place in you.
So- are you finally admitting that you WERE removed from the seminary
against your will? I never thought I would see the day..........but
it's about time.
Like I said a long time ago, I also figured that, but you denied it,
labeling me a so-called liar!!!!
I was likely not denying a fact, but denying your false assumptions.
I said I had one year of seminary; I did not say under what conditions
I left. And neither did bj.
Speculate away. I won't tell you any more than he has.
And I've already arranged to do him as much damage as he's done me.
You've changed your name and gained some respect already?
jimmy
jw
I am delighted to see that while you AGAIN pooped in your own nest,
you are the one having to clean your own mess up.
Now, I await your apology for calling me a liar for telling the
truth.. but I won't hold my breath waiting.
DOC
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| User: "Falcon" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Bob do you have a Lexicon open? |
18 Aug 2005 03:06:17 PM |
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In article <t1p9g1h8jlik77udoi333is6i7il1it5ai@4ax.com>, jw <jw says...
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:35:08 -0400, Doc Watson <docwatson@yup> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
post can be reproduced ANYWHERE w/o expressed written consent of
author
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:45:16 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> said the following funny stuff in this
here little old new 'froup:
someone said:
But since you were removed from seminary you would not
understand.
And you have now divulged the last confidence I will place in you.
So- are you finally admitting that you WERE removed from the seminary
against your will? I never thought I would see the day..........but
it's about time.
Like I said a long time ago, I also figured that, but you denied it,
labeling me a so-called liar!!!!
I was likely not denying a fact, but denying your false assumptions.
I said I had one year of seminary; I did not say under what conditions
I left. And neither did bj.
Speculate away. I won't tell you any more than he has.
And I've already arranged to do him as much damage as he's done me.
Is this how you demonstrate your understanding of forgiving 70X7 that you always
preach to others?
You are a pretender, liar John.
Ciao,
Falcon
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| User: "ujb" |
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18 Aug 2005 05:50:30 PM |
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Falcon wrote:
In article <t1p9g1h8jlik77udoi333is6i7il1it5ai@4ax.com>, jw <jw says...
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:35:08 -0400, Doc Watson <docwatson@yup> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
post can be reproduced ANYWHERE w/o expressed written consent of
author
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:45:16 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> said the following funny stuff in this
here little old new 'froup:
someone said:
But since you were removed from seminary you would not
understand.
And you have now divulged the last confidence I will place in you.
So- are you finally admitting that you WERE removed from the seminary
against your will? I never thought I would see the day..........but
it's about time.
Like I said a long time ago, I also figured that, but you denied it,
labeling me a so-called liar!!!!
I was likely not denying a fact, but denying your false assumptions.
I said I had one year of seminary; I did not say under what conditions
I left. And neither did bj.
Speculate away. I won't tell you any more than he has.
And I've already arranged to do him as much damage as he's done me.
Is this how you demonstrate your understanding of forgiving 70X7 that you always
preach to others?
It would seem johnny is good for 70X0 at best?
ujb
You are a pretender, liar John.
Ciao,
Falcon
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| User: "jw" |
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18 Aug 2005 10:08:06 PM |
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On 18 Aug 2005 13:06:17 -0700, Falcon <falcon23587@verizzon.com>
wrote:
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In article <t1p9g1h8jlik77udoi333is6i7il1it5ai@4ax.com>, jw <jw says...
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:35:08 -0400, Doc Watson <docwatson@yup> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
post can be reproduced ANYWHERE w/o expressed written consent of
author
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:45:16 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> said the following funny stuff in this
here little old new 'froup:
someone said:
But since you were removed from seminary you would not
understand.
And you have now divulged the last confidence I will place in you.
So- are you finally admitting that you WERE removed from the seminary
against your will? I never thought I would see the day..........but
it's about time.
Like I said a long time ago, I also figured that, but you denied it,
labeling me a so-called liar!!!!
I was likely not denying a fact, but denying your false assumptions.
I said I had one year of seminary; I did not say under what conditions
I left. And neither did bj.
Speculate away. I won't tell you any more than he has.
And I've already arranged to do him as much damage as he's done me.
Is this how you demonstrate your understanding of forgiving 70X7 that you always
preach to others?
#1 He has not yet asked for forgiveness so far as I know.
#2 "You reap what you sew."
I plan on pointing out his UTTERLY despicable behavior to everyone we
both know.
jw
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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19 Aug 2005 08:01:10 AM |
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"jw @yoo.hoo>" <jw<no> wrote in message
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On 18 Aug 2005 13:06:17 -0700, Falcon <falcon23587@verizzon.com>
wrote:
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In article <t1p9g1h8jlik77udoi333is6i7il1it5ai@4ax.com>, jw <jw says...
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 11:35:08 -0400, Doc Watson <docwatson@yup> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:45:16 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> said the following funny stuff in this
here little old new 'froup:
someone said:
But since you were removed from seminary you would not
understand.
And you have now divulged the last confidence I will place in you.
So- are you finally admitting that you WERE removed from the seminary
against your will? I never thought I would see the day..........but
it's about time.
Like I said a long time ago, I also figured that, but you denied it,
labeling me a so-called liar!!!!
I was likely not denying a fact, but denying your false assumptions.
I said I had one year of seminary; I did not say under what conditions
I left. And neither did bj.
Speculate away. I won't tell you any more than he has.
And I've already arranged to do him as much damage as he's done me.
Is this how you demonstrate your understanding of forgiving 70X7 that you
always
preach to others?
#1 He has not yet asked for forgiveness so far as I know.
#2 "You reap what you sew."
It's "sow", damnit! Boy, are you THICK!
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Doc Watson docwatson@yup" |
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19 Aug 2005 10:24:34 AM |
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:08:06 -0700, jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo> said the
following funny stuff in this here little old new 'froup:
#2 "You reap what you sew."
hhhhahahahahaaa!! SOW, idiot.
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| User: "jw" |
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19 Aug 2005 09:12:09 PM |
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:24:34 -0400, Doc Watson <docwatson@yup> wrote:
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:08:06 -0700, jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo> said the
following funny stuff in this here little old new 'froup:
#2 "You reap what you sew."
hhhhahahahahaaa!! SOW, idiot.
When YOU misspell with every post YOU put up, why are you so concerned
with MY posts?
You aren't even supposed to be reading my posts!
Just how is this one SOOOOOOo important to comment on ?
You PATHETIC liar!
"I only comment when I feel it's absolutely necessary."
meaning you post after virtually every post I put up.
Jw
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| User: "Robibnikoff" |
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19 Aug 2005 09:52:13 PM |
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"jw @yoo.hoo>" <jw<no> wrote in message
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 11:24:34 -0400, Doc Watson <docwatson@yup> wrote:
copyright 2005 John Weatherly all rights reserved; no portion of this
post can be reproduced ANYWHERE else w/o expressed written consent of
author
On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:08:06 -0700, jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo> said the
following funny stuff in this here little old new 'froup:
#2 "You reap what you sew."
hhhhahahahahaaa!! SOW, idiot.
When YOU misspell with every post YOU put up, why are you so concerned
with MY posts?
Oh, give it a break. I've pointed out to you more than once that you were
using the wrong word. The last I heard on that was some racist nonsense
about the word "*****".
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Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
#1557
Science doesn't burn people at the stake for disagreeing - Vic Sagerquist
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| User: "Doc Watson docwatson@yup" |
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20 Aug 2005 11:22:14 AM |
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 22:52:13 -0400, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> said the following funny stuff in this here
little old new 'froup:
Oh, give it a break. I've pointed out to you more than once that you were
using the wrong word. The last I heard on that was some racist nonsense
about the word "*****".
Suffice it to say that according to Legion, he is the only one who is
correct 100 % of the time, Robyn! LOL!
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20 Aug 2005 11:21:48 AM |
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:12:09 -0700, jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo> said the
following funny stuff in this here little old new 'froup:
You aren't even supposed to be reading my posts!
Oh? According to whom?
And AGAIN --- O mighty 'wordsmith' --- the term is SOW, not 'sew'.
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20 Aug 2005 09:12:34 PM |
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On Fri, 19 Aug 2005 19:12:09 -0700, jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo> said the
following funny stuff in this here little old new 'froup:
You aren't even supposed to be reading my posts!
Oh? According to whom?
And AGAIN --- O mighty 'wordsmith' --- the term is SOW, not 'sew'.
As John Wolf loves to say, "misspellings left in for the benefit of
those whose lives are fulfilled by correcting spelling."
jw
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| User: "Falcon" |
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18 Aug 2005 10:15:38 PM |
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 20:08:06 -0700, jw <jw<no>@yoo.hoo> wrote:
On 18 Aug 2005 13:06:17 -0700, Falcon <falcon23587@verizzon.com>
wrote:
In article <t1p9g1h8jlik77udoi333is6i7il1it5ai@4ax.com>, jw <jw says...
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:45:16 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> said the following funny stuff in this
here little old new 'froup:
someone said:
But since you were removed from seminary you would not
understand.
And you have now divulged the last confidence I will place in you.
So- are you finally admitting that you WERE removed from the seminary
against your will? I never thought I would see the day..........but
it's about time.
Like I said a long time ago, I also figured that, but you denied it,
labeling me a so-called liar!!!!
I was likely not denying a fact, but denying your false assumptions.
I said I had one year of seminary; I did not say under what conditions
I left. And neither did bj.
Speculate away. I won't tell you any more than he has.
And I've already arranged to do him as much damage as he's done me.
Is this how you demonstrate your understanding of forgiving 70X7 that you always
preach to others?
#1 He has not yet asked for forgiveness so far as I know.
#2 "You reap what you sew."
I plan on pointing out his UTTERLY despicable behavior to everyone we
both know.
You go liar John, we all know you are nothing but a pretender.
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Ciao,
Falcon
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18 Aug 2005 11:20:10 PM |
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jw <jw wrote:
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In article <t1p9g1h8jlik77udoi333is6i7il1it5ai@4ax.com>, jw <jw says...
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On Thu, 18 Aug 2005 03:45:16 GMT, Bible Bob
<biblebobnospam@biblebob.net> said the following funny stuff in this
here little old new 'froup:
someone said:
But since you were removed from seminary you would not
understand.
And you have now divulged the last confidence I will place in you.
So- are you finally admitting that you WERE removed from the seminary
against your will? I never thought I would see the day..........but
it's about time.
Like I said a long time ago, I also figured that, but you denied it,
labeling me a so-called liar!!!!
I was likely not denying a fact, but denying your false assumptions.
I said I had one year of seminary; I did not say under what conditions
I left. And neither did bj.
Speculate away. I won't tell you any more than he has.
And I've already arranged to do him as much damage as he's done me.
Is this how you demonstrate your understanding of forgiving 70X7 that you always
preach to others?
#1 He has not yet asked for forgiveness so far as I know.
That is not required, except by your sinful pride.
#2 "You reap what you sew."
That isn't your judgment to make. God does not require you as an
instrument of his vengeance; or do you think he can't do it
without you? Or worse, might let it slide unless you keep
reminding him?
I plan on pointing out his UTTERLY despicable behavior to everyone we
both know.
'An eye for an eye, and the whole world is blind.'
Look to your own soul and your own behavior.
--
Tom McDonald
http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/
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19 Aug 2005 11:22:31 PM |
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jw <jw wrote:
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<tmcdonald2672@nohormelcharter.net> wrote:
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jw <jw wrote:
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#1 He has not yet asked for forgiveness so far as I know.
That is not required, except by your sinful pride.
That is your POV; not necessarily mine.
Jesus seemed to agree with me--the whole '70 times 7' business
deals with repeated offenses by one person against you. And says
nothing about repentance or asking forgiveness.
There is also the teaching "do not cast your pearls to the pigs."
Oh, John! I don't think of you as swine. :-)
#2 "You reap what you sew."
That isn't your judgment to make.
In your opinion. I do not share your opinion.
Clearly.
MUST I set aside my opinion on what scripture teaches and accept YOUR
opinion?
No. But I would hope that once in a while you might cogitate on
what I write, rather than immediately try to counter it.
Justify that sculpturally for me, please.
I CAN sculpturally justify having an opinion different from yours.
Can YOU?
Reaping what one sows is biblical--although Jesus often
suggested that the harvest might be far greater than what was
sowed (e.g. the parable of the stewards, with the best steward
gaining a rich reward); or nothing at all (the parable of the
sowers--note that some of the sowers reaped nothing).
And of course there is sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind.
But I take your point. If you had stopped there, I would agree
with you. But you went further and put yourself forward as the
agent of his reaping. That is what I object to.
Or must we all march in lockstep with YOUR POV?
Heavens no!
Who appointed YOU MY judge? If Christ is Judge, He will judge me and
I can therefore disregard YOUR judgment.
I'm getting dizzy. You say that I judge you for your judgment of
John?
I didn't judge you. I admonished you. You were and are free to
take or leave the admonishment.
God does not require you as an
instrument of his vengeance;
How would YOU know what path God has prepared for ME? You can't.
I don't. I said that he does not *require* you as an instrument
of his judgment. If he chooses to use you, fine. But you sounded
as though you were choosing yourself for the post. That, in my
view, is prideful and/or disobedient, since vengeance is his.
Nor can I know what path God has for YOU!
Thank God! A fair few folks here, and elsewhere, have told me in
no uncertain terms what God has in store for me. Usually it
involves lakes of fire, and finding things out after I die.
It is only YOUR pride that makes you think you can dictate to me.
OK, that's how you see it. I see it as admonition and warning. YMMV.
You cannot.
Well, I can; but I'm not likely to be very successful, am I? :-)
Even Paul taught the concept of "the different dancer, dancing to a
different tune."
I march to a different tune than you; I dance to a different song.
And I thank God for it; not because I don't want to be you, or
you me (although I think we both would shudder a bit at the
thought). But because I don't think that God made us to worship
him in lock-step, or that he made us all so gloriously different
only to make most of our differences occasions of sin.
or do you think he can't do it
without you?
If He can do all things by Himself, why does He need YOU to correct
ME?
I'm an instrument of his judgment?
Sorry, couldn't help that. I fall into the same behavior I
suggested you were demonstrating.
The real answer is that I think we are in this together, and it
is good to point things out to each other that we alone might not
see. So, in a very real way, he does use (not need) me to correct
you; as he uses you, and myriad others, to correct me.
If He can do all things by Himself, why must WE spread the gospel?
Your doctrine and theology are shaky, sir, and more shaky when you
seek to impose them on others.
That may very well be. I don't spend much thought on doctrine or
theology any more. I'm more interested in trying to live by what
I have learned, and listening to others who can teach me more.
Or worse, might let it slide unless you keep
reminding him?
I plan on pointing out his UTTERLY despicable behavior to everyone we
both know.
'An eye for an eye, and the whole world is blind.'
Look to your own soul and your own behavior.
If there were a storm coming, would you not appreciate a warning? Or
do you expect God to send angels to warn ALL of us?
Jesus and Paul taught the concept of wolves among the sheep. I
consider John Wolf a wolf.
And I plan to warn the sheep.
If you wish to continue bleating, and ignore the warning, that is YOUR
choice.
I have chosen a different path.
And I'll be interested to see how YOU react when someone like John
Wolf betrays YOU.
If someone like BJ betrayed me on usenet, I'd probably be
pissed. I might write a nasty post or three. I also would
consider the source, and admonish the person, and pray for
his/her/their infirmities.
BJ did what he did because he is who he is. He is desperately
flawed, and deeply troubled. He has often in the past shown that
he really doesn't understand or respect normal boundaries, and
will, through ignorance or malice, say things that hurt other
people, even bystanders.
I'm reminded of the story of the scorpion and the frog at the
river crossing. I don't reveal things to people who have shown
the kind of psychological abberations BJ does that I wouldn't
want played back in public. If I do, while I might be angry at
the fellow, I would blame myself for breaking a rule that has
stood me in good stead.
That said, I think sharing your experience with others who may
find themselves in a position to share confidences with BJ, or
anyone else with his predilections, is fair. Just not as vengeance.
YM, as always, MV.
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Tom McDonald
http://ahwhatdoiknow.blogspot.com/
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20 Aug 2005 09:03:11 PM |
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jw <jw wrote:
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<tmcdonald2672@nohormelcharter.net> wrote:
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jw <jw wrote:
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#1 He has not yet asked for forgiveness so far as I know.
That is not required, except by your sinful pride.
That is your POV; not necessarily mine.
Jesus seemed to agree with me--the whole '70 times 7' business
deals with repeated offenses by one person against you. And says
nothing about repentance or asking forgiveness.
You seem VERY focused on ONE verse as you IGNORE a dozen others.
I'd give you a few, but then, I don't sense that you are open to any
different POVs.
There is also the teaching "do not cast your pearls to the pigs."
Oh, John! I don't think of you as swine. :-)
#2 "You reap what you sew."
That isn't your judgment to make.
In your opinion. I do not share your opinion.
Clearly.
Well, then for ONCE we are on the same page!
P T L !!
MUST I set aside my opinion on what scripture teaches and accept YOUR
opinion?
No. But I would hope that once in a while you might cogitate on
what I write, rather than immediately try to counter it.
#1 What makes you think I don't "cogitate"?
#2 What makes you think your POV/ argument has not been used 100
times before?
You merely express that you have NO clue what my issues are, nor do
you care.
Jesus and Paul DID make allowances for individuality that YOU don't
allow.
Justify that sculpturally for me, please.
I CAN sculpturally justify having an opinion different from yours.
Can YOU?
Reaping what one sows is biblical--although Jesus often
suggested that the harvest might be far greater than what was
sowed (e.g. the parable of the stewards, with the best steward
gaining a rich reward); or nothing at all (the parable of the
sowers--note that some of the sowers reaped nothing).
And of course there is sowing the wind and reaping the whirlwind.
Correct. And in that regard, I am saying that John Wolf has reaped a
wind, and deserves the whirlwind he has produced.
And if he has sinned against me grievously, don't others who he could
hurt deserve to know so that he doesn't do likewise to them?
And we're right back to I believe John Wolf may WELL be a "wolf in
sheep's clothing", and I believe it is my duty-- when I see the wolf's
legs sticking out from below the sheepskin -- to warn the flock.
Which is my intention.
And I fault YOU and OTHERS in here who brush aside John Wolf's sin
against me merely because he didn't betray you or someone else.
The person he GRIEVOUSLY betrayed was someone you don't necessarily
likes; so that makes it "ok' in your eyes.
But I take your point. If you had stopped there, I would agree
with you. But you went further and put yourself forward as the
agent of his reaping. That is what I object to.
By all means object.
But I will NOT follow YOUR conscience. I will follow my own.
I trust it. In 50 + years, it has stood me well.
And YOU don't even LIKE me! Why would I believe you have my best
interests -- or those of the flock -- at heart?
I do not.
Or must we all march in lockstep with YOUR POV?
Heavens no!
Who appointed YOU MY judge? If Christ is Judge, He will judge me and
I can therefore disregard YOUR judgment.
I'm getting dizzy. You say that I judge you for your judgment of
John?
No. I say you judge me because you judge my behavior towards John as
misbehavior. I say to you, I respond to a higher voice.
I didn't judge you. I admonished you.
~~~~~~~~~~ I don't see an distinction.
You were and are free to
take or leave the admonishment.
On THAT we agree.
God does not require you as an
instrument of his vengeance;
How would YOU know what path God has prepared for ME? You can't.
I don't. I said that he does not *require* you as an instrument
of his judgment.
You can't know that, and I grow weary of your "lofty thoughts."
"Some Christians are so heavenly-minded that they are of no earthly
good."
And there is another thought. Before you judge a man, walk a mile in
his moccasins.
If he chooses to use you, fine. But you sounded
as though you were choosing yourself for the post.
I think you are confessing a tin ear.
That, in my
view, is prideful and/or disobedient, since vengeance is his.
jw
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