On Mon, 28 Feb 2005 00:47:41 GMT, after pondering deep
thoughts, "P.T." <pt@yahoo.com> spake thusly:

"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:hka421lqn003nr976p49omnb822pdqq4c5@4ax.com...

So anything that you don't like is a forgery. Gotcha.
It seems that the forgery is yours, since nowhere does
Isaiah 53 say either of those things.

I'm sure you have a concordance - look it up and see for yourself. At
least do this BEFORE you accuse me of forgery.

Let's get this straight. *_YOU_* made the original
accusation of forgery.

*_YOU_* have not supported your claim.

I showed that what you claimed is there, is not.

No concordance is needed. I posted the whole chapter
for you to see. You snipped it and acted as if I
didn't prove you wrong.

It seems that you have bought into a web page lie and
you posted it, thinking it was there and now you are
trying to act as if you didn't get caught with your
pants down. Sorry, it won't work. We all know.

These are YOUR words, in which you ADMIT that you are
making an accusation of forgery...

P.T.: I will also claim that the Christian translation
of Isaiah 53 is a forgery. Why translate the phrase "if
his soul will acknowledge his guilt" to read "if he
offers his soul as a sacrifice"? Gee, do you think
there is an agenda here?


Now here is the ENTIRE CHAPTER of Isaiah 53 AGAIN.
Show me where either of those phrases are found, or
have the integrity to RETRACT your claim...

Isaiah 53:1-12

1) Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm
of the LORD revealed?
2) For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant,
and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor
comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no
beauty that we should desire him.
3) He is despised and rejected of men; a man of
sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it
were our faces from him; he was despised, and we
esteemed him not.
4) Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our
sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of
God, and afflicted.
5) But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was
bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our
peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6) All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned
every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him
the iniquity of us all.
7) He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he
opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the
slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb,
so he openeth not his mouth.
8) He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who
shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of
the land of the living: for the transgression of my
people was he stricken.
9) And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the
rich in his death; because he had done no violence,
neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10) Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put
him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering
for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his
days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his
hand.
11) He shall see of the travail of his soul, and shall
be satisfied: by his knowledge shall my righteous
servant justify many; for he shall bear their
iniquities.
12) Therefore will I divide him a portion with the
great, and he shall divide the spoil with the strong;
because he hath poured out his soul unto death: and he
was numbered with the transgressors; and he bore the
sin of many, and made intercession for the
transgressors.


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Pastor Dave Raymond

"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditations." - Psalm 119:99

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