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Bible References to Reincarnation |
Bible References to Reincarnation
All the rivers run into the sea, yet the sea is not full; unto the place from
whence the rivers come, thither they RETURN AGAIN.
The thing that hath been it is that which shall be; and that which is done is
that which shall be done; and there is no new thing under the sun.
Is any thing whereof it may be said; See, this is new? It hath been already of
OLD TIME, which was before us. There is NO REMEMBRANCE of former things;
neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those
that should come after.
Ecclesiastes 1:7,9,10,11
That which hath been is now: and that which is to be hath ALREADY BEEN; and God
requireth that which is past. Ecclesiastes 3:15
The word which came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying: Arise and go down to the
potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words. Then I went down
to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.
And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter; SO
HE MADE IT AGAIN ANOTHER VESSEL, as seemed good to the potter to make it. Then
the word of the Lord came to me, saying: O HOUSE OF ISRAEL, CANNOT I DO WITH
YOU AS THE POTTER? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand,
SO ARE YE IN MINE HAND, O house of Israel. Jeremiah 18:1,6
Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: IS THERE ANY THING TOO HARD FOR
ME? Jeremiah 32:27
Turn thou us unto thee, O Lord; and we shall be turned; RENEW our days as old.
Lamentations 5:21
The hand of the Lord was upon me and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord,
and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones, And caused
me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open
valley; and, lo, they were very dry. And he said unto me, Son of man, can these
bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest. Again he said unto me,
Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of
the Lord. Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath
to enter into you, and ye shall live: And I will lay sinews upon you, and will
bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye
shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord. So I prophesied as I was
commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and
the bones came together, bone to his bone. And when I beheld, lo, the sinews
and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was
no breath in them. Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son
of man, and say to the wind, thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds,
O breath, and breathe upon these SLAIN, that they may live. So I prophesied as
he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up
upon their feet, an exceeding great army. Then he said unto me, Son of man,
these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are
dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. Therefore prophesy
and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open
your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into
the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened
your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, And shall put
my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land:
then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the
Lord. Ezekiel 37:1,14
Though they dig into "hell" (seol), thence mine hand take them; though they
climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down Amos 9:2
Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and
dreadful day of the Lord And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the
children and the heart of the children to the fathers... xMalachi 4:5,6
And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias to turn the hearts
of the fathers to the children and the desobedient to the wisdom of the just;
to make ready a people prepared for the Lord. Luke 1:17
And they asked him, What then? Are thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Are thou
that prophet? And he answered, No. Then said they unto him, Who are thou? that
we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? He
said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness. Make straight the way of
the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. John 1:21,23
And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
Matthew 11:14
But I say unto you, That Elias is come ALREADY
and they knew him not,
but have done unto him whatsoever they listed.
Matthew 17:12
But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come,
and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed,
as it is written of him.
Mark 9:13
It is here that theologians are silent. They are caught in the dilemma due to
their incorrect interpretation by imputing that either John the Baptist or the
very Christ Himself was lying!
And as Jesus passed by,
he saw a man which was blind from his birth
And his disciples asked him,
Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents,
that he was born blind?
John 9:1,2
What's the point of Jesus' disciples formulating this question if they didn't
already know that it is possible to sin before being born, that is to say, in a
previous existence? Can someone be "punished" by God at the moment of their
birth - before having the chance to sin?
Jesus answered and said unto him, verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man
be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How
can a man born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's
womb, and be born? John 3:3,4
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Bible References to Reincarnation |
15 Oct 2004 08:40:50 AM |
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On 15 Oct 2004 02:07:34 GMT, while wondering if all
people love cupcakes, (Echo2Drs)
yodeled:
Bible References to Reincarnation
There is no such thing.
All the rivers run into the sea, yet the sea is not full; unto the place from
whence the rivers come, thither they RETURN AGAIN.
The thing that hath been it is that which shall be; and that which is done is
that which shall be done; and there is no new thing under the sun.
Is any thing whereof it may be said; See, this is new? It hath been already of
OLD TIME, which was before us. There is NO REMEMBRANCE of former things;
neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with those
that should come after.
Ecclesiastes 1:7,9,10,11
That which hath been is now: and that which is to be hath ALREADY BEEN; and God
requireth that which is past. Ecclesiastes 3:15
It says, "THINGS", not people.
The word which came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying: Arise and go down to the
potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words. Then I went down
to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.
And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the potter; SO
HE MADE IT AGAIN ANOTHER VESSEL, as seemed good to the potter to make it. Then
the word of the Lord came to me, saying: O HOUSE OF ISRAEL, CANNOT I DO WITH
YOU AS THE POTTER? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's hand,
SO ARE YE IN MINE HAND, O house of Israel. Jeremiah 18:1,6
Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: IS THERE ANY THING TOO HARD FOR
ME? Jeremiah 32:27
Turn thou us unto thee, O Lord; and we shall be turned; RENEW our days as old.
Lamentations 5:21
Nothing there even remotely like reincarnation.
The hand of the Lord was upon me and carried me out in the spirit of the Lord,
and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones, And caused
me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open
valley; and, lo, they were very dry. And he said unto me, Son of man, can these
bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest. Again he said unto me,
Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of
the Lord. Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath
to enter into you, and ye shall live: And I will lay sinews upon you, and will
bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye
shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord. So I prophesied as I was
commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and
the bones came together, bone to his bone. And when I beheld, lo, the sinews
and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was
no breath in them. Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son
of man, and say to the wind, thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four winds,
O breath, and breathe upon these SLAIN, that they may live. So I prophesied as
he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up
upon their feet, an exceeding great army. Then he said unto me, Son of man,
these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are
dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. Therefore prophesy
and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will open
your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into
the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have opened
your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, And shall put
my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land:
then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it, saith the
Lord. Ezekiel 37:1,14
The bones represent Israel, but even so, that would be
resurrection, not reincarnation.
Though they dig into "hell" (seol), thence mine hand take them; though they
climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down Amos 9:2
Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the great and
dreadful day of the Lord And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to the
children and the heart of the children to the fathers... xMalachi 4:5,6
And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias to turn the hearts
of the fathers to the children and the desobedient to the wisdom of the just;
to make ready a people prepared for the Lord. Luke 1:17
And they asked him, What then? Are thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Are thou
that prophet? And he answered, No. Then said they unto him, Who are thou? that
we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself? He
said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness. Make straight the way of
the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. John 1:21,23
And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
Matthew 11:14
But I say unto you, That Elias is come ALREADY
and they knew him not,
but have done unto him whatsoever they listed.
Matthew 17:12
But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come,
and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed,
as it is written of him.
Mark 9:13
It is here that theologians are silent. They are caught in the dilemma due to
their incorrect interpretation by imputing that either John the Baptist or the
very Christ Himself was lying!
And as Jesus passed by,
he saw a man which was blind from his birth
And his disciples asked him,
Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents,
that he was born blind?
John 9:1,2
What's the point of Jesus' disciples formulating this question if they didn't
already know that it is possible to sin before being born, that is to say, in a
previous existence? Can someone be "punished" by God at the moment of their
birth - before having the chance to sin?
Jesus answered and said unto him, verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man
be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto him, How
can a man born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his mother's
womb, and be born? John 3:3,4
And did Jesus say "YES"? Of course not. You are
trying to twist some Scriptures to fit your unGodly
beliefs. You did not quote one thing that spoke
directly of reincarnation.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/1stcentury/
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology
and biology is thus in the peculiar position of
being a science founded on an unproved theory.
Is it then science, or faith? Belief in the
theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to
belief in special creation. Both are concepts
which believers know to be true, but neither,
up to the present, has been capable of proof.
- L. Harrison Matthews, FRS, Introduction to
the 1971 edition of Charles Darwin's Origin
of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or
the Preservation of Favored Races in the
Struggle for Life
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| User: "Dore" |
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| Title: Re: Bible References to Reincarnation |
15 Oct 2004 02:39:01 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On 15 Oct 2004 02:07:34 GMT, while wondering if all
people love cupcakes, (Echo2Drs)
yodeled:
Bible References to Reincarnation
There is no such thing.
Reincarnation
Reincarnation is a word used by eastern religions, denoting that a spirit or
soul is placed again in human form to walk the earth. Since God is spirit
and sees man moreso as a spirit being, and the earthly flesh is a vessel
used to carry this spirit and soul, God can, and does choose to allow
certain spirit beings to inhabit earthly vessels as often as He sees fit, to
determine whatever purpose He has in mind. This is proven in scripture many
times.
Matt 16:28
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste
of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
How is it possible that a man will not taste death, unless he continues to
live? When Christ spoke these words, He was referring to His second coming,
where I, Christ have come again in the flesh, to judge the earth, to destroy
evil and to order and establish my kingdom, to rule and reign for the
millennium of peace, so those who will not taste death, means that they live
again and again as God places their souls continually in human flesh for the
period of two thousand years between the first coming and the second.
The word "regeneration" itself depicts a renewal of a spirit, as it is
placed again into a new person of a different generation. The second coming
of Christ, is a perfect example of this. I have come the second time to be a
ruler and judge of the earth, which can only be done in the flesh. The first
time, I, Christ was a teacher and sacrificial lamb, the second time I have
come to earth, I will be ruler and king. To change the earth from six
thousand years of wickedness, to a millennium of peace and a Godly kingdom
of peace for the seventh millennia, as it is significant of The Father's
seventh day of rest, "One day is like a thousand years and one thousand
years is like one day". God's purpose for the earth was to endure the
wickedness for six thousand years to prove His righteous servants, and test
their loyalty, and then to give them heaven on earth for my rule. Who is man
to say that God has not chosen to for those souls who have entered hell in
history, to be given another chance for redemption, by allowing them to walk
and suffer, be purified on the earth, as many times as God allows, until His
patience is spent? "On earth as it is in heaven" was my prayer, and I have
come to usher in this "Eden" of beauty, that was intended from the
beginning. I have been reincarnated, regenerated into a new human in this
second coming, and all men will have that opportunity to be judged at the
separation of goats and sheep, as all men will be judged and separated at
this time for all eternity.
Matt 19:28
28 And Jesus said unto them, Verily I say unto you, That ye which have
followed me, in the regeneration when the Son of man shall sit in the throne
of his glory, ye also shall sit upon twelve thrones, judging the twelve
tribes of Israel.
How can those who knew the first Christ, follow me in the regeneration,
unless they are reincarnated/regenerated with me, when I finally sit on my
throne of Glory in the mellennium?
Matt 11:12-14
12 And from the days of John the Baptist until now the kingdom of heaven
suffereth violence, and the violent take it by force.
13 For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
14 And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
John the Baptist was Elijah. Same spirit, different human. Elijah was
reincarnated, or regenerated, resurrected into a new human form to prepare
my way.
Just as the first chosen of God, the Jews, believed that reincarnation or
resurrection of a soul or spirit was a fact, when I was asked "who do the
people think I am?", for they knew that the returning of a spirit into
another man was a fact of God, they thought that I was one of the prophets,
Elijah, or even John the Baptist, come in the flesh again.
Luke 9:18-19
18 And it came to pass, as he was alone praying, his disciples were with
him: and he asked them, saying, Whom say the people that I am?
19 They answering said, John the Baptist; but some say, Elias; and others
say, that one of the old prophets is risen again.
Did I rebuke or instruct my disciples for saying a spirit has been risen in
another's flesh when they answered me? Of course not, because I knew that a
spirit being placed again into a human was a fact or a mystery of God. And
since I have come again to judge the earth, I have come in human form to
accomplish my duties, so must event those "who pierced Him", see this event
on earth.
Heb 9:28
28 So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that
look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.
I was human the first time, I am human the second.
But because man has not been taught that Christ comes in the flesh again,
but are taught of a non-existent rapture, and that reincarnation is not
true, I have been rejected and suffer on the earth, before my glory is
revealed.
Isa 9:6-7
6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government
shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful,
Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
7 Of the increase of his government and peace there shall be no end, upon
the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it
with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of
the LORD of hosts will perform this.
We know that the first time I did not have the government on my shoulders
the first time, that I was a teacher and sacrificial lamb. We also know that
the second coming, I rise to reign and rule the earth for the millennium. I
must establish and order my government, which takes time. I am not going to
do this anywhere but on earth. So if I must establish my government on
earth, wouldn't also a child is born be relevant in determining that I am
reincarnated/regenerated to another human at the time of this second coming?
Luke 17:24-25
24 For as the lightning, that lighteneth out of the one part under heaven,
shineth unto the other part under heaven; so shall also the Son of man be in
his day.
25 But first must he suffer many things, and be rejected of this generation.
Luke 17:30
30 Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
When I rise to power and glory, it is only after, I suffer and am rejected,
as a human, and am finally revealed and exalted, but am walking on the
earth, the same as any man. If there were a rapture, I would not suffer and
be rejected.
I Jn 3:2
2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we
shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for
we shall see him as he is.
But because I have no followers or believers because of the lack of faith in
reincarnation/regeneration, and the hypocrisy, following after false
teachers and prophets in modern Christianity, when I am eventually revealed
because of all the heretical lies, I will alone be exalted.
Isa 2:17
17 And the loftiness of man shall be bowed down, and the haughtiness of men
shall be made low: and the LORD alone shall be exalted in that day.
Isa 63:3-10
3 I have trodden the winepress alone; and of the people there was none with
me: for I will tread them in mine anger, and trample them in my fury; and
their blood shall be sprinkled upon my garments, and I will stain all my
raiment.
4 For the day of vengeance is in mine heart, and the year of my redeemed is
come.
5 And I looked, and there was none to help; and I wondered that there was
none to uphold: therefore mine own arm brought salvation unto me; and my
fury, it upheld me.
6 And I will tread down the people in mine anger, and make them drunk in my
fury, and I will bring down their strength to the earth.
7 I will mention the lovingkindnesss of the LORD, and the praises of the
LORD, according to all that the LORD hath bestowed on us, and the great
goodness toward the house of Israel, which he hath bestowed on them
according to his mercies, and according to the multitude of his
lovingkindnesss.
8 For he said, Surely they are my people, children that will not lie: so he
was their Saviour.
9 In all their affliction he was afflicted, and the angel of his presence
saved them: in his love and in his pity he redeemed them; and he bare them,
and carried them all the days of old.
10 But they rebelled, and vexed his holy Spirit: therefore he was turned to
be their enemy, and he fought against them.
In my pity and love, I come to redeem my people, but they rebel and follow
the false prophets and teachers of rapture, and those who refuse that I have
come the second time, in the flesh, denying his reincarnation/regeneration,
so they have become mine enemy, and in my fury and vengeance rests upon
them. For they do not have the Spirit of truth to lead them, but trust in
deception of accepting money as a way of life, and believe in those who lead
that money is allowable in the kingdom of God. This faith in monetary gain,
has blinded them to truth, so they rebel and vex the Holy Spirit.
Isa 52:3
3 For thus saith the LORD, Ye have sold yourselves for nought; and ye shall
be redeemed without money.
So all men are judged, along with those who are chosen to judge with me,
like the reincarnation, regeneration or resurrection of the men of Ninevah
and the Queen of Sheba.
Ps 96:13
13 Before the LORD: for he cometh, for he cometh to judge the earth: he
shall judge the world with righteousness, and the people with his truth.
Ps 82:8
8 Arise, O God, judge the earth: for thou shalt inherit all nations.
Obviously, to inherit something, there is a period of time before it comes
to be yours. So it is with me. After I complete the judgment of the earth
and separate the goats from the sheep, and conquer evil on the earth, then
shall I inherit all nations, but I must do all this in the flesh.
Mal 3:18
18 Then shall ye return, and discern between the righteous and the wicked,
between him that serveth God and him that serveth him not.
Matt 10:15
15 Verily I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for the land of Sodom
and Gomorrha in the day of judgment, than for that city.
Matt 11:22
22 But I say unto you, It shall be more tolerable for Tyre and Sidon at the
day of judgment, than for you.
Obviously, in this Day of Judgment, when I judge all men, for their actions,
thoughts and words, the spirits of the people of Sodom, Tyre, and Sidon will
be on the earth for this to take place.
Matt 12:41-42
41 The men of Nineveh shall rise in judgment with this generation, and shall
condemn it: because they repented at the preaching of Jonas; and, behold, a
greater than Jonas is here.
42 The queen of the south shall rise up in the judgment with this
generation, and shall condemn it: for she came from the uttermost parts of
the earth to hear the wisdom of Solomon; and, behold, a greater than Solomon
is here.
The generation that will see judgment, for it is the end of the world, the
men of Ninevah and the Queen of the south, will also rise or be
reincarnated/regenerated with the generation that is to be judged, and judge
them. Men are not judged in heaven, but on earth, in their environment, and
trials does I judge to see who is faithful and is glorified by those who
believe in that day. The day of the second coming judgment.
II Th 1:7-10
7 And to you who are troubled rest with us, when the Lord Jesus shall be
revealed from heaven with his mighty angels,
8 In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey
not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:
9 Who shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of
the Lord, and from the glory of his power;
10 When he shall come to be glorified in his saints, and to be admired in
all them that believe (because our testimony among you was believed) in that
day.
Rev 1:7
7 Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also
which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him.
Even so, Amen.
How is it that they who pierced me will see my return, unless they are on
the earth reincarnated or resurrected into human form, be there to wail at
my second coming and judgment? If they were not on the earth, they wouldn't
see it nor be wailing would they?
When I prophesied my second coming, I spoke as if those who heard would be
there to make the choices that I have recommended, and warned to follow my
teachings. Unless they were reincarnated or regenerated, or resurrected into
this generation who would see this, why would I have warned them in speaking
to them as though they would experience it? Wouldn't I have said, that
"those who are living", be warned as I spoke, rather than say "YOU"?
Matt 24:3-51
3 And as he sat upon the mount of Olives, the disciples came unto him
privately, saying, Tell us, when shall these things be? and what shall be
the sign of thy coming, and of the end of the world?
4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, Take heed that no man deceive you.
5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive
many.
6 And ye shall hear of wars and rumours of wars: see that ye be not
troubled: for all these things must come to pass, but the end is not yet.
7 For nation shall rise against nation, and kingdom against kingdom: and
there shall be famines, and pestilences, and earthquakes, in divers places.
8 All these are the beginning of sorrows.
9 Then shall they deliver you up to be afflicted, and shall kill you: and ye
shall be hated of all nations for my name's sake.
10 And then shall many be offended, and shall betray one another, and shall
hate one another.
11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many.
12 And because iniquity shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold.
13 But he that shall endure unto the end, the same shall be saved.
14 And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in all the world for a
witness unto all nations; and then shall the end come.
15 When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by
Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him
understand:)
16 Then let them which be in Judaea flee into the mountains:
17 Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out of
his house:
18 Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19 And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in
those days!
20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the sabbath
day:
21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning
of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22 And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be
saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
23 Then if any man shall say unto you, Lo, here is Christ, or there; believe
it not.
24 For there shall arise false Christs, and false prophets, and shall shew
great signs and wonders; insomuch that, if it were possible, they shall
deceive the very elect.
25 Behold, I have told you before.
26 Wherefore if they shall say unto you, Behold, he is in the desert; go not
forth: behold, he is in the secret chambers; believe it not.
27 For as the lightning cometh out of the east, and shineth even unto the
west; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
28 For wheresoever the carcase is, there will the eagles be gathered
together.
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be
darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars shall fall
from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then
shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man
coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they
shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven
to the other.
32 Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and
putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
33 So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near,
even at the doors.
34 Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass, till all these
things be fulfilled.
35 Heaven and earth shall pass away, but my words shall not pass away.
36 But of that day and hour knoweth no man, no, not the angels of heaven,
but my Father only.
37 But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man
be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and
drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered
into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also
the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other
left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the
other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch
the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his
house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son
of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler
over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so
doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his
coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with
the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him,
and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the
hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.
If God can return the souls and spirits of the saints that were dead to rise
out of their graves, wouldn't it be also feasible that God can place any
soul into bodies of human flesh of a new generation also? The same spirits
and souls into a new generation that would witness this, my second coming?
Of course, God can, and does!
Matt 27:52-53
52 And the graves were opened; and many bodies of the saints which slept
arose,
53 And came out of the graves after his resurrection, and went into the holy
city, and appeared unto many.
1 Cor 15:20-26
20 But now is Christ risen from the dead, and become the firstfruits of them
that slept.
21 For since by man came death, by man came also the resurrection of the
dead.
22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.
23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they
that are Christ's at his coming.
24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God,
even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and
power.
25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.
26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.
Now I, the second Christ is the firstfruits of them that slept. ( Is
reincarnated, resurrected or regenerated). For I am the one who would
deliver up the kingdom unto God after I destroy evil and put down all rule
and authority and power. Afterwards are those at His coming, meaning those
who are reincarnated and understand My second coming, as they are gathered
by my angels.
Matt 24:30-31
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then
shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man
coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they
shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven
to the other.
So it is only after my revelation that the saints are gathered, not before.
So no man is not redeemed or saved, until I have judged them to be servants
of God. Why would only those who are living at the time of the second coming
be the only ones judged for all eternity? Unless of course they were spirits
of humans that lived in lives past.
Isa 26:19
19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise.
Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for thy dew is as the dew of herbs,
and the earth shall cast out the dead.
So we know that Michael, means "as is God", and Christ is "as is God", so
that Michael and I, Christ are one and the same. And I, Christ (Michael)
stand up for the people in the end times. And those who sleep in the dust of
the earth, are reincarnated, regenerated, resurrected to humans at the time
of the judgment, to be judged. Some will be judged and cast out and some
will be redeemed to everlasting life. That is the purpose of the separation
of the goats and the sheep.
Dan 12:1-3
1 And at that time shall Michael stand up, the great prince which standeth
for the children of thy people: and there shall be a time of trouble, such
as never was since there was a nation even to that same time: and at that
time thy people shall be delivered, every one that shall be found written in
the book.
2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to
everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.
3 And they that be wise shall shine as the brightness of the firmament; and
they that turn many to righteousness as the stars for ever and ever.
Rev 20:5-6
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were
finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such
the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of
Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
How could they be priests and reign with me in the millennium on the earth,
if they did not have human form?
Titus 3:5
5 Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his
mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy
Ghost;
Regeneration and reincarnation mean rebirth. The washing of regeneration is
the trials of many sufferings of the earth, through, many lives to purify
those souls who would be tested and tried, to prove their loyalty and be
washed of their iniquity, to be worthy to enter into the presence of our
most Holy God, for no iniquity and it's affliction will ever enter into His
presence again.
Rev 5:8-10
8 And when he had taken the book, the four beasts and four and twenty elders
fell down before the Lamb, having every one of them harps, and golden vials
full of odours, which are the prayers of saints.
9 And they sung a new song, saying, Thou art worthy to take the book, and to
open the seals thereof: for thou wast slain, and hast redeemed us to God by
thy blood out of every kindred, and tongue, and people, and nation;
10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on
the earth.
Here the twenty four elders and the 4 beasts, obviously were on the earth at
one point because they sang that they were redeemed back to God, and then
they will be again resurrected/regenerated/reincarnated on the earth,
because they will be priests and kings and will reign on the earth.
Rev 20:6 6
Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the
second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ,
and shall reign with him a thousand years.
And where are these resurrected people going to reign with me a thousand
years, on earth!
Isa 24:23
23 Then the moon shall be confounded, and the sun ashamed, when the LORD of
hosts shall reign in mount Zion, and in Jerusalem, and before his ancients
gloriously.
When I, Christ rise to power to reign on the earth, I will be reigning
before the ancients, so I guess the ancients must have been placed back on
the earth. There is no sun, moon, mount Zion, or Jerusalem in heaven. It's
all heaven, so I must be on the earth.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On 15 Oct 2004 02:07:34 GMT, while wondering if all
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yodeled:
Bible References to Reincarnation
There is no such thing.
All the rivers run into the sea, yet the sea is not full; unto the place
from
whence the rivers come, thither they RETURN AGAIN.
The thing that hath been it is that which shall be; and that which is
done is
that which shall be done; and there is no new thing under the sun.
Is any thing whereof it may be said; See, this is new? It hath been
already of
OLD TIME, which was before us. There is NO REMEMBRANCE of former things;
neither shall there be any remembrance of things that are to come with
those
that should come after.
Ecclesiastes 1:7,9,10,11
That which hath been is now: and that which is to be hath ALREADY BEEN;
and God
requireth that which is past. Ecclesiastes 3:15
It says, "THINGS", not people.
The word which came to Jeremiah from the Lord, saying: Arise and go down
to the
potter's house, and there I will cause thee to hear my words. Then I went
down
to the potter's house, and, behold, he wrought a work on the wheels.
And the vessel that he made of clay was marred in the hand of the
potter; SO
HE MADE IT AGAIN ANOTHER VESSEL, as seemed good to the potter to make
it. Then
the word of the Lord came to me, saying: O HOUSE OF ISRAEL, CANNOT I DO
WITH
YOU AS THE POTTER? saith the Lord. Behold, as the clay is in the potter's
hand,
SO ARE YE IN MINE HAND, O house of Israel. Jeremiah 18:1,6
Behold, I am the Lord, the God of all flesh: IS THERE ANY THING TOO HARD
FOR
ME? Jeremiah 32:27
Turn thou us unto thee, O Lord; and we shall be turned; RENEW our days as
old.
Lamentations 5:21
Nothing there even remotely like reincarnation.
The hand of the Lord was upon me and carried me out in the spirit of the
Lord,
and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones, And
caused
me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the
open
valley; and, lo, they were very dry. And he said unto me, Son of man, can
these
bones live? And I answered, O Lord God, thou knowest. Again he said unto
me,
Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the
word of
the Lord. Thus saith the Lord God unto these bones; Behold, I will cause
breath
to enter into you, and ye shall live: And I will lay sinews upon you, and
will
bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you,
and ye
shall live; and ye shall know that I am the Lord. So I prophesied as I
was
commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking,
and
the bones came together, bone to his bone. And when I beheld, lo, the
sinews
and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but
there was
no breath in them. Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind,
prophesy, son
of man, and say to the wind, thus saith the Lord God; Come from the four
winds,
O breath, and breathe upon these SLAIN, that they may live. So I
prophesied as
he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood
up
upon their feet, an exceeding great army. Then he said unto me, Son of
man,
these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones
are
dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts. Therefore
prophesy
and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord God; Behold, O my people, I will
open
your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you
into
the land of Israel. And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have
opened
your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves, And
shall put
my spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own
land:
then shall ye know that I the Lord have spoken it, and performed it,
saith the
Lord. Ezekiel 37:1,14
The bones represent Israel, but even so, that would be
resurrection, not reincarnation.
Though they dig into "hell" (seol), thence mine hand take them; though
they
climb up to heaven, thence will I bring them down Amos 9:2
Behold, I will send you Elijah the prophet, before the coming of the
great and
dreadful day of the Lord And he shall turn the heart of the fathers to
the
children and the heart of the children to the fathers... xMalachi 4:5,6
And he shall go before him in the spirit and power of Elias to turn the
hearts
of the fathers to the children and the desobedient to the wisdom of the
just;
to make ready a people prepared for the Lord. Luke 1:17
And they asked him, What then? Are thou Elias? And he saith, I am not.
Are thou
that prophet? And he answered, No. Then said they unto him, Who are thou?
that
we may give an answer to them that sent us. What sayest thou of thyself?
He
said, I am the voice of one crying in the wilderness. Make straight the
way of
the Lord, as said the prophet Esaias. John 1:21,23
And if ye will receive it, this is Elias, which was for to come.
Matthew 11:14
But I say unto you, That Elias is come ALREADY
and they knew him not,
but have done unto him whatsoever they listed.
Matthew 17:12
But I say unto you, That Elias is indeed come,
and they have done unto him whatsoever they listed,
as it is written of him.
Mark 9:13
It is here that theologians are silent. They are caught in the dilemma
due to
their incorrect interpretation by imputing that either John the Baptist
or the
very Christ Himself was lying!
And as Jesus passed by,
he saw a man which was blind from his birth
And his disciples asked him,
Master, who did sin, this man, or his parents,
that he was born blind?
John 9:1,2
What's the point of Jesus' disciples formulating this question if they
didn't
already know that it is possible to sin before being born, that is to
say, in a
previous existence? Can someone be "punished" by God at the moment of
their
birth - before having the chance to sin?
Jesus answered and said unto him, verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except
a man
be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God. Nicodemus saith unto
him, How
can a man born when he is old? can he enter the second time into his
mother's
womb, and be born? John 3:3,4
And did Jesus say "YES"? Of course not. You are
trying to twist some Scriptures to fit your unGodly
beliefs. You did not quote one thing that spoke
directly of reincarnation.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/1stcentury/
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology
and biology is thus in the peculiar position of
being a science founded on an unproved theory.
Is it then science, or faith? Belief in the
theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to
belief in special creation. Both are concepts
which believers know to be true, but neither,
up to the present, has been capable of proof.
- L. Harrison Matthews, FRS, Introduction to
the 1971 edition of Charles Darwin's Origin
of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or
the Preservation of Favored Races in the
Struggle for Life
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15 Oct 2004 08:53:58 PM |
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Reincarnation is a word used by eastern religions, denoting that a spirit or
soul is placed again in human form to walk the earth. Since God is spirit
and sees man moreso as a spirit being, and the earthly flesh is a vessel
used to carry this spirit and soul, God can, and does choose to allow
certain spirit beings to inhabit earthly vessels as often as He sees fit, to
determine whatever purpose He has in mind. This is proven in scripture many
times.
Thanks Dore! :-)
You have eyes to see!
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16 Oct 2004 03:27:29 PM |
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On 16 Oct 2004 01:53:58 GMT, while wondering if all
people love cupcakes, (Echo2Drs)
yodeled:
Reincarnation is a word used by eastern religions, denoting that a
spirit or soul is placed again in human form to walk the earth. Since
God is spirit and sees man moreso as a spirit being, and the earthly
flesh is a vessel used to carry this spirit and soul, God can, and
does choose to allow certain spirit beings to inhabit earthly vessels
as often as He sees fit, to determine whatever purpose He has in mind.
This is proven in scripture many times.
Thanks Dore! :-)
You have eyes to see!
She believes she is Christ, Your agreement with her
only shows the lunacy of your claim so you must also be a lunatic.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee: neither
have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out of my lips
was right before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is
the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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16 Oct 2004 09:53:51 AM |
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On 16 Oct 2004 01:53:58 GMT, while wondering if all
people love cupcakes, (Echo2Drs)
yodeled:
Reincarnation is a word used by eastern religions, denoting that a spirit or
soul is placed again in human form to walk the earth. Since God is spirit
and sees man moreso as a spirit being, and the earthly flesh is a vessel
used to carry this spirit and soul, God can, and does choose to allow
certain spirit beings to inhabit earthly vessels as often as He sees fit, to
determine whatever purpose He has in mind. This is proven in scripture many
times.
Thanks Dore! :-)
You have eyes to see!
She believes she is Christ, Your agreement with her
only shows the lunacy of your claim.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/1stcentury/
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology
and biology is thus in the peculiar position of
being a science founded on an unproved theory.
Is it then science, or faith? Belief in the
theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to
belief in special creation. Both are concepts
which believers know to be true, but neither,
up to the present, has been capable of proof.
- L. Harrison Matthews, FRS, Introduction to
the 1971 edition of Charles Darwin's Origin
of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or
the Preservation of Favored Races in the
Struggle for Life
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16 Oct 2004 03:26:57 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:39:01 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, "Dore"
<dorewilliamson@verizon.net> yodeled:
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bmkvm0pm0jfr0p975ib5u2voc23qqmkujh@4ax.com...
On 15 Oct 2004 02:07:34 GMT, while wondering if all
people love cupcakes, (Echo2Drs)
yodeled:
Bible References to Reincarnation
There is no such thing.
Reincarnation
Reincarnation is a word used by eastern religions, denoting that a
spirit or soul is placed again in human form to walk the earth. Since
God is spirit and sees man moreso as a spirit being, and the earthly
flesh is a vessel used to carry this spirit and soul, God can, and does
choose to allow certain spirit beings to inhabit earthly vessels as
often as He sees fit, to determine whatever purpose He has in mind.
This is proven in scripture many times.
Where?
Matt 16:28
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not
taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
How is it possible that a man will not taste death, unless he continues
to live?
Man will not taste death, because he is born again and
will live for eternity with Christ.
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after
this the judgment:" - Hebrews 9:27
When Christ spoke these words, He was referring to His second coming,
where I, Christ have come again in the flesh, to judge the earth, to
destroy evil and to order and establish my kingdom, to rule and reign
for the millennium of peace, so those who will not taste death, means
that they live again and again as God places their souls continually in
human flesh for the period of two thousand years between the first
coming and the second.
You are not Christ; I AM DAVE.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee:
neither have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out
of my lips was right before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is
the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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16 Oct 2004 09:53:25 AM |
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:39:01 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, "Dore"
<dorewilliamson@verizon.net> yodeled:
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:bmkvm0pm0jfr0p975ib5u2voc23qqmkujh@4ax.com...
On 15 Oct 2004 02:07:34 GMT, while wondering if all
people love cupcakes, (Echo2Drs)
yodeled:
Bible References to Reincarnation
There is no such thing.
Reincarnation
Reincarnation is a word used by eastern religions, denoting that a spirit or
soul is placed again in human form to walk the earth. Since God is spirit
and sees man moreso as a spirit being, and the earthly flesh is a vessel
used to carry this spirit and soul, God can, and does choose to allow
certain spirit beings to inhabit earthly vessels as often as He sees fit, to
determine whatever purpose He has in mind. This is proven in scripture many
times.
Where?
Matt 16:28
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste
of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
How is it possible that a man will not taste death, unless he continues to
live?
Man will not taste death, because he is born again and
will live for eternity with Christ.
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after
this the judgment:" - Hebrews 9:27
When Christ spoke these words, He was referring to His second coming,
where I, Christ have come again in the flesh, to judge the earth, to destroy
evil and to order and establish my kingdom, to rule and reign for the
millennium of peace, so those who will not taste death, means that they live
again and again as God places their souls continually in human flesh for the
period of two thousand years between the first coming and the second.
You are not Christ.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/1stcentury/
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology
and biology is thus in the peculiar position of
being a science founded on an unproved theory.
Is it then science, or faith? Belief in the
theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to
belief in special creation. Both are concepts
which believers know to be true, but neither,
up to the present, has been capable of proof.
- L. Harrison Matthews, FRS, Introduction to
the 1971 edition of Charles Darwin's Origin
of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or
the Preservation of Favored Races in the
Struggle for Life
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18 Oct 2004 08:53:08 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
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Where?
I just showed you with my previous post.
Man will not taste death, because he is born again and
will live for eternity with Christ.
John 21:23
23 Then went this saying abroad among the brethren, that that disciple
should not die: yet Jesus said not unto him, He shall not die; but, If I
will that he tarry till I come, what is that to thee?
KJV
Death is often used for condemnation in hell. John, for which the above
scripture is discussing, tarries, because he continues to return to human
flesh until this second coming. Obviously, John did not live the same life
as he did in those days, so he had to be resurrected, regenerated or
reincarnated continually back into human flesh.
cont
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after
this the judgment:" - Hebrews 9:27
Just because Paul didn't know the concept, doesn't mean it isn't true. John
the Baptist, didn't think that he was a prophet, nor Elijah, but he was
both.
cont
You are not Christ.
Of course you wouldn't know, you are NOT righteous and don't have the Holy
Spirit of truth indwelling in you.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On Fri, 15 Oct 2004 19:39:01 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, "Dore"
<dorewilliamson@verizon.net> yodeled:
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
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On 15 Oct 2004 02:07:34 GMT, while wondering if all
people love cupcakes, (Echo2Drs)
yodeled:
Bible References to Reincarnation
There is no such thing.
Reincarnation
Reincarnation is a word used by eastern religions, denoting that a spirit
or
soul is placed again in human form to walk the earth. Since God is spirit
and sees man moreso as a spirit being, and the earthly flesh is a vessel
used to carry this spirit and soul, God can, and does choose to allow
certain spirit beings to inhabit earthly vessels as often as He sees fit,
to
determine whatever purpose He has in mind. This is proven in scripture
many
times.
Where?
Matt 16:28
28 Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not
taste
of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.
How is it possible that a man will not taste death, unless he continues
to
live?
Man will not taste death, because he is born again and
will live for eternity with Christ.
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after
this the judgment:" - Hebrews 9:27
When Christ spoke these words, He was referring to His second coming,
where I, Christ have come again in the flesh, to judge the earth, to
destroy
evil and to order and establish my kingdom, to rule and reign for the
millennium of peace, so those who will not taste death, means that they
live
again and again as God places their souls continually in human flesh for
the
period of two thousand years between the first coming and the second.
You are not Christ.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/1stcentury/
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology
and biology is thus in the peculiar position of
being a science founded on an unproved theory.
Is it then science, or faith? Belief in the
theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to
belief in special creation. Both are concepts
which believers know to be true, but neither,
up to the present, has been capable of proof.
- L. Harrison Matthews, FRS, Introduction to
the 1971 edition of Charles Darwin's Origin
of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or
the Preservation of Favored Races in the
Struggle for Life
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| Title: Re: Bible References to Reincarnation |
19 Oct 2004 03:56:29 AM |
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On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 01:53:08 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, "Dore"
<dorewilliamson@verizon.net> yodeled:
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after
this the judgment:" - Hebrews 9:27
Just because Paul didn't know the concept, doesn't mean it isn't true. John
the Baptist, didn't think that he was a prophet, nor Elijah, but he was
both.
And there it is. Your word is better than the Bible.
Sorry, me no believe you.
You are not Christ.
Of course you wouldn't know, you are NOT righteous and don't have the Holy
Spirit of truth indwelling in you.
I know because you don't fit the bill.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/1stcentury/
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology
and biology is thus in the peculiar position of
being a science founded on an unproved theory.
Is it then science, or faith? Belief in the
theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to
belief in special creation. Both are concepts
which believers know to be true, but neither,
up to the present, has been capable of proof.
- L. Harrison Matthews, FRS, Introduction to
the 1971 edition of Charles Darwin's Origin
of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or
the Preservation of Favored Races in the
Struggle for Life
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| User: "Dore" |
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| Title: Re: Bible References to Reincarnation |
24 Oct 2004 12:27:53 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
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And there it is. Your word is better than the Bible.
Sorry, me no believe you.
My word IS the Bible, but you don't believe the Bible, for if you did, you
would obey and abide in the commands, demands and requirements contained
therein, but you don't do that either, and that is why you don't believe
me.
cont
I know because you don't fit the bill.
You don't KNOW the bill, to discern whether I fit it or not.
--
Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Pastor Dave" <pastordave38@nospam-yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:fkl9n0t5g9a5c5v0gv6iulrjp9pi23qqcd@4ax.com...
On Tue, 19 Oct 2004 01:53:08 GMT, while wondering if
all people love cupcakes, "Dore"
<dorewilliamson@verizon.net> yodeled:
"And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after
this the judgment:" - Hebrews 9:27
Just because Paul didn't know the concept, doesn't mean it isn't true.
John
the Baptist, didn't think that he was a prophet, nor Elijah, but he was
both.
And there it is. Your word is better than the Bible.
Sorry, me no believe you.
You are not Christ.
Of course you wouldn't know, you are NOT righteous and don't have the
Holy
Spirit of truth indwelling in you.
I know because you don't fit the bill.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/1stcentury/
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology
and biology is thus in the peculiar position of
being a science founded on an unproved theory.
Is it then science, or faith? Belief in the
theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to
belief in special creation. Both are concepts
which believers know to be true, but neither,
up to the present, has been capable of proof.
- L. Harrison Matthews, FRS, Introduction to
the 1971 edition of Charles Darwin's Origin
of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or
the Preservation of Favored Races in the
Struggle for Life
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| User: "Echo2Drs" |
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| Title: Re: Bible References to Reincarnation |
15 Oct 2004 10:40:20 AM |
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And did Jesus say "YES"? Of course not. You are
trying to twist some Scriptures to fit your unGodly
beliefs. You did not quote one thing that spoke
directly of reincarnation.
The KJV was not always intrepreted correctly. One meaning in one language meant
something different in another.
Take the word "hell" in Hebrew the word for hell is "shoel," (I think thats how
you spell it?)
The word "shoel means a garbage pit or dump. But when it was translated into
English the meaning became somewhat distorted.
This is why there are so many disagreements on the Bible. And some books wern't
even included which I think that was a bad idea also.
I also think that is the reason behind the athiest way of thinking because
nobody knows what to believe, therefore they stop believing in anything.
God loves His children ALL of them, but God hates the thoughts and actions of
His children.
It is the same principle here on earth.
The only reply I can give you is this....
An earthly parent who loves their children will give the child another chance
to correct its behavior.
True, the parent will chastise or punish...but the love is there. Would you
give you child another chance or would you destroy the child?
How is it that we give credit to a loving eartly parent, and not give credit to
the Heavenly Parent?
IS NOT THE HEAVENLY PARENT MORE LOVING THAN AN EARTLY PARENT???
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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15 Oct 2004 06:33:52 PM |
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On 15 Oct 2004 15:40:20 GMT, while wondering if all
people love cupcakes, (Echo2Drs)
yodeled:
And did Jesus say "YES"? Of course not. You are
trying to twist some Scriptures to fit your unGodly
beliefs. You did not quote one thing that spoke
directly of reincarnation.
The KJV was not always intrepreted correctly. One meaning in one
language meant something different in another.
Take the word "hell" in Hebrew the word for hell is "shoel," (I think
thats how you spell it?)
The word "shoel means a garbage pit or dump. But when it was translated
into English the meaning became somewhat distorted.
This is why there are so many disagreements on the Bible. And some
books wern't even included which I think that was a bad idea also.
I also think that is the reason behind the athiest way of thinking
because nobody knows what to believe, therefore they stop believing in
anything. God loves His children ALL of them, but God hates the
thoughts and actions of His children.
It is the same principle here on earth.
The only reply I can give you is this....
An earthly parent who loves their children will give the child another
chance to correct its behavior.
True, the parent will chastise or punish...but the love is there.
Would you give you child another chance or would you destroy the child?
How is it that we give credit to a loving eartly parent, and not give
credit to the Heavenly Parent?
IS NOT THE HEAVENLY PARENT MORE LOVING THAN AN EARTLY PARENT???
You did not answer the question and you obviously have
not researched the other issues you brought up and you seem to not be very
bright compared to me.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee: neither
have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out of my lips
was right before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is
the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
/}
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Bible References to Reincarnation |
15 Oct 2004 10:48:32 AM |
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On 15 Oct 2004 15:40:20 GMT, while wondering if all
people love cupcakes, (Echo2Drs)
yodeled:
And did Jesus say "YES"? Of course not. You are
trying to twist some Scriptures to fit your unGodly
beliefs. You did not quote one thing that spoke
directly of reincarnation.
The KJV was not always intrepreted correctly. One meaning in one language meant
something different in another.
Take the word "hell" in Hebrew the word for hell is "shoel," (I think thats how
you spell it?)
The word "shoel means a garbage pit or dump. But when it was translated into
English the meaning became somewhat distorted.
This is why there are so many disagreements on the Bible. And some books wern't
even included which I think that was a bad idea also.
I also think that is the reason behind the athiest way of thinking because
nobody knows what to believe, therefore they stop believing in anything.
God loves His children ALL of them, but God hates the thoughts and actions of
His children.
It is the same principle here on earth.
The only reply I can give you is this....
An earthly parent who loves their children will give the child another chance
to correct its behavior.
True, the parent will chastise or punish...but the love is there. Would you
give you child another chance or would you destroy the child?
How is it that we give credit to a loving eartly parent, and not give credit to
the Heavenly Parent?
IS NOT THE HEAVENLY PARENT MORE LOVING THAN AN EARTLY PARENT???
You did not answer the question and you obviously have
not researched the other issues you brought up.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/1stcentury/
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology
and biology is thus in the peculiar position of
being a science founded on an unproved theory.
Is it then science, or faith? Belief in the
theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to
belief in special creation. Both are concepts
which believers know to be true, but neither,
up to the present, has been capable of proof.
- L. Harrison Matthews, FRS, Introduction to
the 1971 edition of Charles Darwin's Origin
of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or
the Preservation of Favored Races in the
Struggle for Life
.
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| User: "Echo2Drs" |
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| Title: Re: Bible References to Reincarnation |
15 Oct 2004 02:07:56 PM |
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You did not answer the question and you obviously have
not researched the other issues you brought up.
Sir, I started researching 6 yrs ago! Maybe instead of playing preacher and
quoting scriptures to everybody, you need to find out the meaning of the
scriptures you quote!
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Bible References to Reincarnation |
16 Oct 2004 03:26:43 PM |
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On 15 Oct 2004 19:07:56 GMT, while wondering if all
people love cupcakes, (Echo2Drs)
yodeled:
You did not answer the question and you obviously have
not researched the other issues you brought up.
Sir, I started researching 6 yrs ago! Maybe instead of playing preacher
and quoting scriptures to everybody, you need to find out the meaning
of the scriptures you quote!
Maybe you if you bought some research past the occult
books you like so much, you could be intelligent like others who post here.
--
± Pastor Dave ±
"As for me, I have not hastened from being a pastor to follow thee: neither
have I desired the woeful day; thou knowest: that which came out of my lips
was right before thee." - Jeremiah 17:16
"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of the Spirit, which is
the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
/}
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Bible References to Reincarnation |
16 Oct 2004 09:50:51 AM |
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On 15 Oct 2004 19:07:56 GMT, while wondering if all
people love cupcakes, (Echo2Drs)
yodeled:
You did not answer the question and you obviously have
not researched the other issues you brought up.
Sir, I started researching 6 yrs ago! Maybe instead of playing preacher and
quoting scriptures to everybody, you need to find out the meaning of the
scriptures you quote!
Maybe you ought to start researching past the occult
books you like so much.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
http://web.tampabay.rr.com/1stcentury/
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
That the man of God may be perfect, throughly
furnished unto all good works." - 2 Timothy 3:16-17
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
"The fact of evolution is the backbone of biology
and biology is thus in the peculiar position of
being a science founded on an unproved theory.
Is it then science, or faith? Belief in the
theory of evolution is thus exactly parallel to
belief in special creation. Both are concepts
which believers know to be true, but neither,
up to the present, has been capable of proof.
- L. Harrison Matthews, FRS, Introduction to
the 1971 edition of Charles Darwin's Origin
of Species by Means of Natural Selection, or
the Preservation of Favored Races in the
Struggle for Life
.
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