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"Donna" |
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05 Jan 2005 03:04:35 AM |
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Bible Study Strengthens the Intellect |
Bible Study Strengthens the Intellect
Whatsoever things were written aforetime were written for our learning,
that we through patience and comfort of the scriptures might have hope. Rom.
15:4.
There is nothing more calculated to strengthen the intellect than a
study of the Bible. No other book is so potent to elevate the thoughts, to
give vigor to the faculties, as the broad, ennobling truths of the Bible. If
God's Word were studied as it should be, men would have a breadth of mind, a
nobility of character, that is rarely seen in these times.
No knowledge is so firm, so consistent, so far-reaching, as that
obtained from a study of the Word of God. If there were not another book in
the wide world, the Word of God, lived out through the grace of Christ,
would make man perfect in this world, with a character fitted for the
future, immortal life. those who study the Word, taking it in faith as the
truth, and receiving it into the character, will be complete in Him who is
all and in all. Thank God for the possibilities set before humanity. . . .
The time devoted to a study of God's Word and to prayer will bring a
hundredfold in return.
The Word of God is the living seed, and as this seed is sown in the
mind, the human agent must give diligent care to the successive stages of
its growth. How is this to be done? After the Word has been prayerfully
received, it is to be cherished, and practiced in the daily life. It is to
spring up and bear fruit, putting forth first the blade, then the ear, then
the full corn in the ear.
It is not enough to study the Bible as other books are studied. In
order for it to be understood savingly, the Holy Spirit must move on the
heart of the searcher. The same Spirit that inspired the Word must inspire
the reader of the Word. Then will be heard the voice of heaven. "Thy Word, O
God, is truth" will be the language of the soul.
The mere reading of the Word will not accomplish the result designed of
Heaven; it must be studied, and cherished in the heart. The knowledge of God
is not gained without mental effort. We should diligently study the Bible,
asking God for the aid of the Holy Spirit, that we may understand His Word.
We should take one verse, and concentrate the mind on the task of
ascertaining the thought which God has put in that verse for us. We should
dwell on the thought till it becomes our own, and we know "what saith the
Lord." . . .
The Word of God is the bread of life. Those who eat and digest this
Word, making it a part of every action and of every attribute of character,
grow strong in the strength of God. It gives immortal vigor to the soul,
perfecting the experience and bringing joys that will abide forever (Signs
of the Times, June 25, 1902)." Lift Him Up pp. 111
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| User: "Chuckles" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Study Strengthens the Intellect |
05 Jan 2005 03:28:00 PM |
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"Donna" <Donna@nospamlocalline.com> wrote in message
Bible Study Strengthens the Intellect
There is nothing more calculated to strengthen the intellect than a
study of the Bible. No other book is so potent to elevate the thoughts, to
give vigor to the faculties, as the broad, ennobling truths of the Bible.
Then why is the "Bible Belt" area of the USA known for containing large
numbers of ignorant, backward people?
If
God's Word were studied as it should be, men would have a breadth of mind, a
nobility of character, that is rarely seen in these times.
Obviously, God's Word has never been studied as it should be then!
Perhaps the book is just too boring?
No knowledge is so firm, so consistent, so far-reaching, as that
obtained from a study of the Word of God. If there were not another book in
the wide world, the Word of God, lived out through the grace of Christ,
would make man perfect in this world, with a character fitted for the
future, immortal life. those who study the Word, taking it in faith as the
truth, and receiving it into the character, will be complete in Him who is
all and in all. Thank God for the possibilities set before humanity. . . .
Unfortunately, it has been the study of science that has unleased all the
possibilities set before humanity. When Christians were
at the helms of governments for all these past centuries, poverty and
ignorance ruled instead.
After the Word has been prayerfully
received, it is to be cherished, and practiced in the daily life. It is to
spring up and bear fruit, putting forth first the blade, then the ear, then
the full corn in the ear.
How corny can you get?
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| User: "Peter is the Rock" |
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07 Jan 2005 03:18:59 AM |
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"Donna" <Donna@nospamlocalline.com> wrote:
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: Bible Study Strengthens the Intellect
Of course, this is disproven as soon as one speaks to most Protestants.
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| User: "Midjis" |
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05 Jan 2005 04:37:28 AM |
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Donna wrote:
No other book is so potent to elevate the thoughts, to
give vigor to the faculties, as the broad, ennobling truths of the
Bible. If God's Word were studied as it should be, men would have a
breadth of mind, a nobility of character, that is rarely seen in these
times.
I would tend to disagree, on both counts. Firstly, there are a great many
books, both fiction and factual, that could be said to exercise the mind.
Indeed, the very act of reading any book, and thinking about the text,
exercises the mind.
As to the 'nobility of character' or the 'breadth of mind' of which you
speak, history and simple observation disagree with you. Where the Bible
is the exclusive focus of a people's attention, ignorance, intolerance and
persecution have resulted. Even now, at an individual level, those who
concentrate only on that one book tend to demonstrate obstinate narrow-
mindedness and inflexibility. This newsgroup is just one small example.
Don't get the idea that I'm claiming the Bible has no value. But 'breadth
of mind' comes from range of study, not intensity.
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| User: "PharLap" |
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05 Jan 2005 03:01:30 PM |
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In article <Xns95D56C149D965ZRHGRGGNVWLDRAVKW@217.32.252.50>, Midjis
< @ . > wrote:
Donna wrote:
No other book is so potent to elevate the thoughts, to
give vigor to the faculties, as the broad, ennobling truths of the
Bible. If God's Word were studied as it should be, men would have a
breadth of mind, a nobility of character, that is rarely seen in these
times.
I would tend to disagree, on both counts. Firstly, there are a great many
books, both fiction and factual, that could be said to exercise the mind.
Indeed, the very act of reading any book, and thinking about the text,
exercises the mind.
As to the 'nobility of character' or the 'breadth of mind' of which you
speak, history and simple observation disagree with you. Where the Bible
is the exclusive focus of a people's attention, ignorance, intolerance and
persecution have resulted. Even now, at an individual level, those who
concentrate only on that one book tend to demonstrate obstinate narrow-
mindedness and inflexibility. This newsgroup is just one small example.
Don't get the idea that I'm claiming the Bible has no value. But 'breadth
of mind' comes from range of study, not intensity.
THREE HEARTY CHEERS!
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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05 Jan 2005 09:42:13 AM |
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On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:37:28 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, Midjis < @ . > pontificated:
Donna wrote:
No other book is so potent to elevate the thoughts, to
give vigor to the faculties, as the broad, ennobling truths of the
Bible. If God's Word were studied as it should be, men would have a
breadth of mind, a nobility of character, that is rarely seen in these
times.
I would tend to disagree, on both counts. Firstly, there are a great many
books, both fiction and factual, that could be said to exercise the mind.
Indeed, the very act of reading any book, and thinking about the text,
exercises the mind.
She did not say otherwise. The post said that no other
book is AS POTENT.
As to the 'nobility of character' or the 'breadth of mind' of which you
speak, history and simple observation disagree with you.
According to you.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "" |
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05 Jan 2005 07:12:16 PM |
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Dave do you reject the rapture?
Pastor Dave wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:37:28 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, Midjis < @ . > pontificated:
Donna wrote:
No other book is so potent to elevate the thoughts, to
give vigor to the faculties, as the broad, ennobling truths of the
Bible. If God's Word were studied as it should be, men would have
a
breadth of mind, a nobility of character, that is rarely seen in
these
times.
I would tend to disagree, on both counts. Firstly, there are a
great many
books, both fiction and factual, that could be said to exercise the
mind.
Indeed, the very act of reading any book, and thinking about the
text,
exercises the mind.
She did not say otherwise. The post said that no other
book is AS POTENT.
As to the 'nobility of character' or the 'breadth of mind' of which
you
speak, history and simple observation disagree with you.
According to you.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "PharLap" |
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05 Jan 2005 10:16:26 PM |
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In article <1104973936.468930.108020@c13g2000cwb.googlegroups.com>,
johnw_94020@yahoo.com wrote:
Dave do you reject the rapture?
Would you like to ride in my beautiful balloon
Would you like to ride in my beautiful balloon
We could float among the stars together, you and I
For we can fly we can fly
Up, up and away
My beautiful, my beautiful balloon
The world's a nicer place in my beautiful balloon
It wears a nicer face in my beautiful balloon
We can sing a song and sail along the silver sky
For we can fly we can fly
Up, up and away
My beautiful, my beautiful balloon
Suspended under a twilight canopy
We'll search the clouds for a star to guide us
If by some chance you find yourself loving me
We'll find a cloud to hide us
We'll keep the moon beside us
Love is waiting there in my beautiful balloon
Way up in the air in my beautiful balloon
If you'll hold my hand we'll chase your dream across the sky
For we can fly we can fly
Up, up and away
My beautiful, my beautiful balloon
Balloon...
Up, up, and away.....
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| User: "PharLap" |
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05 Jan 2005 03:07:22 PM |
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In article <ec2ot092kpq6puib4lhmip2ep61g3mk6so@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:37:28 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, Midjis < @ . > pontificated:
Donna wrote:
No other book is so potent to elevate the thoughts, to
give vigor to the faculties, as the broad, ennobling truths of the
Bible. If God's Word were studied as it should be, men would have a
breadth of mind, a nobility of character, that is rarely seen in these
times.
I would tend to disagree, on both counts. Firstly, there are a great many
books, both fiction and factual, that could be said to exercise the mind.
Indeed, the very act of reading any book, and thinking about the text,
exercises the mind.
She did not say otherwise. The post said that no other
book is AS POTENT.
As to the 'nobility of character' or the 'breadth of mind' of which you
speak, history and simple observation disagree with you.
According to you.
Very difficult to Argue with someone who has read so FEW other books.
If Christians - whilst maintaining their beliefs as they wish - spent more
time on fully rounded and specialist study in other areas, carefully
maintaining their common sense, reasoning and analytical thinking
capacities, the world in general - and the Church in particular - would be
a far better place
Christianity does not have to be the triumph of superstition over reason -
but all too often it is both that and the admission of approval seeking
behaviour, bullying, and irrational behaviour sometimes amounting to the
protection and encouragement of madness, into areas that require clear
thinking, responsibility and judgement
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| User: "Midjis" |
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05 Jan 2005 05:51:04 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
I would tend to disagree, on both counts. Firstly, there are a great
many books, both fiction and factual, that could be said to exercise
the mind. Indeed, the very act of reading any book, and thinking
about the text, exercises the mind.
She did not say otherwise. The post said that no other
book is AS POTENT.
Indeed. And there I would still tend to disagree, for reasons stated.
As to the 'nobility of character' or the 'breadth of mind' of which
you speak, history and simple observation disagree with you.
According to you.
Again, correct. As I normally respond to this comment from you, "Pastor":
no-one else's opinion is mine to give.
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| User: "Mike Andrade" |
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05 Jan 2005 06:03:33 PM |
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Midjis <midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk> wrote in
news:Xns95D5F2A1F61D1ZRHGRGGNVWLDRAVKW@217.32.252.50:
Pastor Dave wrote:
According to you.
Again, correct. As I normally respond to this comment from you,
"Pastor": no-one else's opinion is mine to give.
You can have mine. It's pretty worthless anyway.
--
Mike
If the pen is mightier than the sword, and a picture is worth a
thousand words, how dangerous is a fax?
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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05 Jan 2005 07:08:39 PM |
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On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 23:51:04 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, Midjis <midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk>
pontificated:
Pastor Dave wrote:
I would tend to disagree, on both counts. Firstly, there are a great
many books, both fiction and factual, that could be said to exercise
the mind. Indeed, the very act of reading any book, and thinking
about the text, exercises the mind.
She did not say otherwise. The post said that no other
book is AS POTENT.
Indeed. And there I would still tend to disagree, for reasons stated.
Then at least you do so based on accurately reading her
statement.
As to the 'nobility of character' or the 'breadth of mind' of which
you speak, history and simple observation disagree with you.
According to you.
Again, correct. As I normally respond to this comment from you, "Pastor":
no-one else's opinion is mine to give.
You did not write as if it were your opinion, but fact.
You said that history disagrees with her, as if that
were obvious truth. If it were, then she wouldn't have
said what she did.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "PharLap" |
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05 Jan 2005 10:13:19 PM |
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In article <bq3pt0h3qu4j50umv2s47f29mp3eb2u6t3@4ax.com>, Pastor Dave
<newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote:
You did not write as if it were your opinion, but fact.
You said that history disagrees with her, as if that
were obvious truth. If it were, then she wouldn't have
said what she did.
On the contrary
Part of the problem with Christianity is that institutionally it is in
denial just as much as a drug addict or an alcoholic.
The drug that the church hangs on to is fashioned out of an impossible
eschatology, fantasy, and myth and legend fraudulently employed as fact
and evidence and dressed up by the use of contentless flowery phrases and
metaphor.
The structure is SO dishonest that only denial can be employed for an only
partially diseased mind to keep it in place. One form of this denial is
known as Fundamentalism whereby dogma is used as a substitute for reason
The Church can only step out of denial through a major, radical
reformation of its entire theological base.
When only denial can keep a mental and ideological structure in place then
that structure is ALREADY dead
Like it or deny it.
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| User: "Midjis" |
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06 Jan 2005 03:24:10 AM |
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"Pastor" Dave wrote:
You did not write as if it were your opinion, but fact.
You said that history disagrees with her, as if that
were obvious truth. If it were, then she wouldn't have
said what she did.
In my opinion, "Pastor", it IS obvious. That book, or at least the abuse
thereof, has been the source of an enormous proportion of the western
world's historical suffering. Some might say that it remains so.
You might well argue that, of course, only those who approach it in the
right frame of mind will benefit from its power - and I would be inclined
to accept that. But what IS the 'right' frame of mind? Is the 'right'
approach to the Bible to try to understand it as historical reference? In
which case one is likely to fall foul of its multitude of errors and
inconsistencies. Is the right approach to seek to emulate the God of the
Bible? In which case one can adopt a humble and compassionate manner as
supposedly taught by Jesus, or a vengeful and angry manner as taught by
God Himself. Is the right approach to decide on one's own absolute
righteousness, and adopt an honorific, such as "pastor", and seek to
correct others' behaviour in the name of God? Is the right approach to
set up a church, and seek to obtain free money from one's attendees? Or
perhaps the right approach is to identify a particular sect or group as
Satanic, and persecute them?
Yes, this is a matter of opinion. I know some truly good and
compassionate people who have based their lives on the Bible. My view is
that their approach is the correct one. But if the book has the intrinsic
power suggested by you and Donna, then I cannot see how it could be
possible to abuse it; remember, many of those who exploit it thus do so
with of a deep knowledge of the text. You only have to consider the
number of "pastors" and "reverends" on these groups.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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06 Jan 2005 10:26:03 AM |
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:24:10 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, Midjis <midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk>
pontificated:
"Pastor" Dave wrote:
You did not write as if it were your opinion, but fact.
You said that history disagrees with her, as if that
were obvious truth. If it were, then she wouldn't have
said what she did.
In my opinion, "Pastor", it IS obvious.
Then that's what you should have said.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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| User: "Midjis" |
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06 Jan 2005 04:16:42 PM |
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Pastor Dave wrote:
In my opinion, "Pastor", it IS obvious.
Then that's what you should have said.
I did. If you missed it, I'm puzzled as to what prompted you to reply.
Maybe it's just one of those "pastor" things that I can't hope to
understand.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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07 Jan 2005 01:43:03 PM |
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 09:24:10 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, Midjis <midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk>
pontificated:
"Pastor" Dave wrote:
You did not write as if it were your opinion, but fact.
You said that history disagrees with her, as if that
were obvious truth. If it were, then she wouldn't have
said what she did.
In my opinion, "Pastor", it IS obvious. That book, or at least the abuse
thereof, has been the source of an enormous proportion of the western
world's historical suffering. Some might say that it remains so.
You might well argue that, of course, only those who approach it in the
right frame of mind will benefit from its power - and I would be inclined
to accept that. But what IS the 'right' frame of mind? Is the 'right'
approach to the Bible to try to understand it as historical reference? In
which case one is likely to fall foul of its multitude of errors and
inconsistencies. Is the right approach to seek to emulate the God of the
Bible? In which case one can adopt a humble and compassionate manner as
supposedly taught by Jesus, or a vengeful and angry manner as taught by
God Himself. Is the right approach to decide on one's own absolute
righteousness, and adopt an honorific, such as "pastor", and seek to
correct others' behaviour in the name of God? Is the right approach to
set up a church, and seek to obtain free money from one's attendees? Or
perhaps the right approach is to identify a particular sect or group as
Satanic, and persecute them?
Yes, this is a matter of opinion. I know some truly good and
compassionate people who have based their lives on the Bible. My view is
that their approach is the correct one. But if the book has the intrinsic
power suggested by you and Donna, then I cannot see how it could be
possible to abuse it; remember, many of those who exploit it thus do so
with of a deep knowledge of the text. You only have to consider the
number of "pastors" and "reverends" on these groups.
You've made a lot of accusations. You've provided no
proof.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "j w" |
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05 Jan 2005 11:22:32 PM |
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x-no-archive: yes
On Wed, 5 Jan 2005 10:37:28 +0000 (UTC), Midjis < @ . > wrote:
copyright 2004 John Weatherly all rights reserved (keep it in the
group)
Donna wrote:
No other book is so potent to elevate the thoughts, to
give vigor to the faculties, as the broad, ennobling truths of the
Bible. If God's Word were studied as it should be, men would have a
breadth of mind, a nobility of character, that is rarely seen in these
times.
I would tend to disagree, on both counts. Firstly, there are a great many
books, both fiction and factual, that could be said to exercise the mind.
Indeed, the very act of reading any book, and thinking about the text,
exercises the mind.
As to the 'nobility of character' or the 'breadth of mind' of which you
speak, history and simple observation disagree with you. Where the Bible
is the exclusive focus of a people's attention, ignorance, intolerance and
persecution have resulted. Even now, at an individual level, those who
concentrate only on that one book tend to demonstrate obstinate narrow-
mindedness and inflexibility. This newsgroup is just one small example.
Don't get the idea that I'm claiming the Bible has no value. But 'breadth
of mind' comes from range of study, not intensity.
I somehow didn't get the impression that the author is suggesting that
we make the Bible our ONLY reading material. Christians are to be as
informed as anyone.
I believe part of what the author is saying is that the Bible has the
UNIQUE property (in the author's POV and mine) to refresh, cleanse,
renew, uplift, and stretch. Reading the Bible uniquely provides ALL
the above.
And if one reads the Bible and applies its principles as instructed,
one MUST grow. It is required.
You can read Shakespeare, Dante, Freud, Bertrand Russell, Nietche,
etc. They will not FORCE you to grow. The Bible is unique in its call
to action, its call to arms.
In that way, the Bible is TOTALLY unique.
jw
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| User: "Chuckles" |
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06 Jan 2005 07:53:04 AM |
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"j w @yahoo.com>" <j_w<no> wrote in message
You can read Shakespeare, Dante, Freud, Bertrand Russell, Nietche,
etc. They will not FORCE you to grow. The Bible is unique in its call
to action, its call to arms.
In that way, the Bible is TOTALLY unique.
Still, the Bible is not as unique as Shakespeare's "Caligula" is it?
Didn't some part of you grow as you read this book? :-)
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| User: "MsAnthrope" |
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19 Jan 2005 09:38:08 PM |
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On Thu, 06 Jan 2005 13:53:04 GMT, "Chuckles" <nospammy4@nonono.com>
wrote:
Still, the Bible is not as unique as Shakespeare's "Caligula" is it?
Didn't some part of you grow as you read this book? :-)
I saw a thing about Caligula on the History channel the other night.
I think it was the true story behind Shakespeare's dramatization.
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| User: "Midjis" |
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06 Jan 2005 05:47:45 AM |
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j w <j_w wrote:
I somehow didn't get the impression that the author is suggesting that
we make the Bible our ONLY reading material. Christians are to be as
informed as anyone.
Donna said "NO OTHER BOOK is so potent". That is where I disagreed.
I believe part of what the author is saying is that the Bible has the
UNIQUE property (in the author's POV and mine) to refresh, cleanse,
renew, uplift, and stretch. Reading the Bible uniquely provides ALL
the above.
And no doubt from your point of view and Donna's, that's true. From mine,
it's not. There are many works with these qualities.
You can read Shakespeare, Dante, Freud, Bertrand Russell, Nietche,
etc. They will not FORCE you to grow. The Bible is unique in its call
to action, its call to arms.
In that way, the Bible is TOTALLY unique.
The Bible does not FORCE anyone to grow simply through reading it. If it
did, do you really think that so many who call themselves Christians would
fall prey to petty pride and self-importance?
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| User: "Don calldonREMOVE IT @something.net" |
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06 Jan 2005 10:48:10 AM |
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:47:45 +0000 (UTC), Midjis
<midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk> wrote:
j w <j_w wrote:
I believe part of what the author is saying is that the Bible has the
UNIQUE property (in the author's POV and mine) to refresh, cleanse,
renew, uplift, and stretch. Reading the Bible uniquely provides ALL
the above.
And no doubt from your point of view and Donna's, that's true. From mine,
it's not. There are many works with these qualities.
Yeah, like most of the books of Tony Robbins. The book in itself is
useless unless one reads it and acts upon it, personally applying it
to their life!
Tony Robbins has had an amazing, positive effect on many lives.
You can read Shakespeare, Dante, Freud, Bertrand Russell, Nietche,
etc. They will not FORCE you to grow. The Bible is unique in its call
to action, its call to arms.
In that way, the Bible is TOTALLY unique.
The Bible does not FORCE anyone to grow simply through reading it. If it
did, do you really think that so many who call themselves Christians would
fall prey to petty pride and self-importance?
My second English teacher in college was an Indian man who thoroughly
new the Bible as well as many other literary works. He could quote
the Bible as well as most preachers. Yet he was anything but a
Christian. The Bible does not affect lives by osmosis anymore than
Readers-Digest does.
"Improvisation is second-nature to me. I was an actor, you know."
--Helen Hayes
Hawaii Five-0, 1975
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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06 Jan 2005 10:26:49 AM |
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:47:45 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, Midjis <midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk>
pontificated:
j w <j_w wrote:
I somehow didn't get the impression that the author is suggesting that
we make the Bible our ONLY reading material. Christians are to be as
informed as anyone.
Donna said "NO OTHER BOOK is so potent". That is where I disagreed.
And she was right. And that is not a matter of
opinion, but fact.
--
Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Chuckles" |
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06 Jan 2005 11:10:27 AM |
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:47:45 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, Midjis <midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk>
pontificated:
j w <j_w wrote:
I somehow didn't get the impression that the author is suggesting that
we make the Bible our ONLY reading material. Christians are to be as
informed as anyone.
Donna said "NO OTHER BOOK is so potent". That is where I disagreed.
And she was right. And that is not a matter of
opinion, but fact.
Obviously you're so uneducated you don't know the difference between
a fact and an opinion.
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| User: "Donna" |
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06 Jan 2005 01:51:03 PM |
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"Chuckles" <nospammy4@nonono.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:47:45 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, Midjis <midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk>
pontificated:
j w <j_w wrote:
I somehow didn't get the impression that the author is suggesting that
we make the Bible our ONLY reading material. Christians are to be as
informed as anyone.
Donna said "NO OTHER BOOK is so potent". That is where I disagreed.
And she was right. And that is not a matter of
opinion, but fact.
Obviously you're so uneducated you don't know the difference between
a fact and an opinion.
When we read about someone or something in the Bible that seems probable
and seems to be true and believe it, it can be said it is our opinion.
Others may not believe and that is their opinion. But when the one who
thought it could be true turns and relies upon God in faith, tries it for
themselves and proves it to be true in their own life then it becomes a
fact.
Donna
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| User: "Mike Andrade" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Study Strengthens the Intellect |
06 Jan 2005 01:54:16 PM |
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"Donna" <Donna@nospamlocalline.com> wrote in
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"Chuckles" <nospammy4@nonono.com> wrote in message
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:47:45 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, Midjis <midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk>
pontificated:
j w <j_w wrote:
I somehow didn't get the impression that the author is
suggesting that we make the Bible our ONLY reading material.
Christians are to be as informed as anyone.
Donna said "NO OTHER BOOK is so potent". That is where I
disagreed.
And she was right. And that is not a matter of
opinion, but fact.
Obviously you're so uneducated you don't know the difference
between a fact and an opinion.
When we read about someone or something in the Bible that seems
probable
and seems to be true and believe it, it can be said it is our
opinion. Others may not believe and that is their opinion. But
when the one who thought it could be true turns and relies upon
God in faith, tries it for themselves and proves it to be true in
their own life then it becomes a fact.
No it doesn't. It becomes a realized experience, which could be
explained by a variety of factors. A fact, by definition, is
falsifiable.
--
Mike
Without question, the greatest invention in the history of mankind is
beer. Oh, I grant you that the wheel was also a fine invention, but
the wheel does not go nearly as well with pizza. - Dave Barry
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| User: "Donna" |
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06 Jan 2005 02:22:14 PM |
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"Mike Andrade" <ma@box.invalid> wrote in message
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"Donna" <Donna@nospamlocalline.com> wrote in
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:47:45 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, Midjis <midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk>
pontificated:
j w <j_w wrote:
I somehow didn't get the impression that the author is
suggesting that we make the Bible our ONLY reading material.
Christians are to be as informed as anyone.
Donna said "NO OTHER BOOK is so potent". That is where I
disagreed.
And she was right. And that is not a matter of
opinion, but fact.
Obviously you're so uneducated you don't know the difference
between a fact and an opinion.
When we read about someone or something in the Bible that seems
probable
and seems to be true and believe it, it can be said it is our
opinion. Others may not believe and that is their opinion. But
when the one who thought it could be true turns and relies upon
God in faith, tries it for themselves and proves it to be true in
their own life then it becomes a fact.
No it doesn't. It becomes a realized experience, which could be
explained by a variety of factors. A fact, by definition, is
falsifiable.
--
Mike
You are talking to the wrong person to get your point over to. I have had
many "experiences" with God and the only common factors are He and my faith
in Him. Try as you might there were not any other explanations to be had and
some with too many witnesses to be falsified.
Donna
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| User: "Mike Andrade" |
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06 Jan 2005 02:34:26 PM |
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"Donna" <Donna@nospamlocalline.com> wrote in
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"Mike Andrade" <ma@box.invalid> wrote in message
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:47:45 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, Midjis <midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk>
pontificated:
j w <j_w wrote:
I somehow didn't get the impression that the author is
suggesting that we make the Bible our ONLY reading
material. Christians are to be as informed as anyone.
Donna said "NO OTHER BOOK is so potent". That is where I
disagreed.
And she was right. And that is not a matter of
opinion, but fact.
Obviously you're so uneducated you don't know the difference
between a fact and an opinion.
When we read about someone or something in the Bible that seems
probable
and seems to be true and believe it, it can be said it is our
opinion. Others may not believe and that is their opinion. But
when the one who thought it could be true turns and relies upon
God in faith, tries it for themselves and proves it to be true
in their own life then it becomes a fact.
No it doesn't. It becomes a realized experience, which could be
explained by a variety of factors. A fact, by definition, is
falsifiable.
You are talking to the wrong person to get your point over to.
Apparently so.
I
have had many "experiences" with God and the only common factors
are He and my faith in Him. Try as you might there were not any
other explanations to be had and some with too many witnesses to
be falsified.
Yep, missed the point entirely.
--
Mike
A basic premise is an absolute that permits no co-operation with
its antithesis and tolerates no tolerance.
-- Hugh Akston
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| User: "Donna" |
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| Title: Re: Bible Study Strengthens the Intellect |
06 Jan 2005 03:23:03 PM |
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"Mike Andrade" <ma@box.invalid> wrote in message
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:47:45 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, Midjis <midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk>
pontificated:
j w <j_w wrote:
I somehow didn't get the impression that the author is
suggesting that we make the Bible our ONLY reading
material. Christians are to be as informed as anyone.
Donna said "NO OTHER BOOK is so potent". That is where I
disagreed.
And she was right. And that is not a matter of
opinion, but fact.
Obviously you're so uneducated you don't know the difference
between a fact and an opinion.
When we read about someone or something in the Bible that seems
probable
and seems to be true and believe it, it can be said it is our
opinion. Others may not believe and that is their opinion. But
when the one who thought it could be true turns and relies upon
God in faith, tries it for themselves and proves it to be true
in their own life then it becomes a fact.
No it doesn't. It becomes a realized experience, which could be
explained by a variety of factors. A fact, by definition, is
falsifiable.
You are talking to the wrong person to get your point over to.
Apparently so.
I
have had many "experiences" with God and the only common factors
are He and my faith in Him. Try as you might there were not any
other explanations to be had and some with too many witnesses to
be falsified.
Yep, missed the point entirely.
--
Mike
You do not have to believe me because you can choose to believe what you
want. At the same time you cannot tell me that what I believe and have
proved to be true to myself is not fact. That would be arrogant.
Donna
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| User: "Mike Andrade" |
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06 Jan 2005 03:42:22 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:47:45 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, Midjis <midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk>
pontificated:
j w <j_w wrote:
I somehow didn't get the impression that the author is
suggesting that we make the Bible our ONLY reading
material. Christians are to be as informed as anyone.
Donna said "NO OTHER BOOK is so potent". That is where I
disagreed.
And she was right. And that is not a matter of
opinion, but fact.
Obviously you're so uneducated you don't know the difference
between a fact and an opinion.
When we read about someone or something in the Bible that
seems probable
and seems to be true and believe it, it can be said it is our
opinion. Others may not believe and that is their opinion. But
when the one who thought it could be true turns and relies
upon God in faith, tries it for themselves and proves it to
be true in their own life then it becomes a fact.
No it doesn't. It becomes a realized experience, which could
be explained by a variety of factors. A fact, by definition,
is falsifiable.
You are talking to the wrong person to get your point over to.
Apparently so.
I
have had many "experiences" with God and the only common factors
are He and my faith in Him. Try as you might there were not any
other explanations to be had and some with too many witnesses to
be falsified.
Yep, missed the point entirely.
You do not have to believe me because you can choose to believe
what you want.
I am aware of this.
At the same time you cannot tell me that what I
believe and have proved to be true to myself is not fact.
Everything you believe to be true is not necessarily a fact. If you
think it is, then it is /you/ who is being arrogant. In effect, what
you are saying is that you are not wrong about any opinion that you
hold.
That
would be arrogant.
Arrogance is asserting unfalsifiable personal beliefs as facts. You
may want to investigate the philosophical difference between "truth"
and "fact."
--
Mike
A bad sector disk error occurs only after you've done several hours of
work without performing a backup.
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| User: "Donna" |
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06 Jan 2005 05:54:19 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in
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On Thu, 6 Jan 2005 11:47:45 +0000 (UTC), while scaling
the Mt. Everest, Midjis <midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk>
pontificated:
j w <j_w wrote:
I somehow didn't get the impression that the author is
suggesting that we make the Bible our ONLY reading
material. Christians are to be as informed as anyone.
Donna said "NO OTHER BOOK is so potent". That is where I
disagreed.
And she was right. And that is not a matter of
opinion, but fact.
Obviously you're so uneducated you don't know the difference
between a fact and an opinion.
When we read about someone or something in the Bible that
seems probable
and seems to be true and believe it, it can be said it is our
opinion. Others may not believe and that is their opinion. But
when the one who thought it could be true turns and relies
upon God in faith, tries it for themselves and proves it to
be true in their own life then it becomes a fact.
No it doesn't. It becomes a realized experience, which could
be explained by a variety of factors. A fact, by definition,
is falsifiable.
You are talking to the wrong person to get your point over to.
Apparently so.
I
have had many "experiences" with God and the only common factors
are He and my faith in Him. Try as you might there were not any
other explanations to be had and some with too many witnesses to
be falsified.
Yep, missed the point entirely.
You do not have to believe me because you can choose to believe
what you want.
I am aware of this.
At the same time you cannot tell me that what I
believe and have proved to be true to myself is not fact.
Everything you believe to be true is not necessarily a fact. If you
think it is, then it is /you/ who is being arrogant. In effect, what
you are saying is that you are not wrong about any opinion that you
hold.
That
would be arrogant.
Arrogance is asserting unfalsifiable personal beliefs as facts. You
may want to investigate the philosophical difference between "truth"
and "fact."
--
Mike
Readers:
Pharlap and Mike have covered nearly everything they can think of to
diminish my witness and belief in God in their quest to take away from the
truth of God in the Bible I do not blame them for believing as they do. It
is their right. They have not proved God to see whether these things are so
for themselves. All that has happened is that we have come full circle and
they are back to saying it is my opinion and cannot be a fact to me. I do
not defend myself, but I do stand up for God and His truth.
I share the following as just one example of many that has been proved to me
to be one point of fact.
In God's word we are told that if we ask anything in His name, believing, we
should receive. My custom is to always ask God to be with me, my passengers,
my vehicle and all those on the road around me when I travel anywhere.
I was traveling every night for a week in my Volkswagen Van, full of
children, to an evangelistic series of meetings in a town 20 miles away. It
was a cold and very dark night and here and there the roads were covered in
black ice. Just before coming into the town the two laned highway runs down
a steep incline and curves to the right at the bottom. Along the left hand
side of the road are a few steep cement driveways to homes on a hillside. To
the right is an embankment that goes down to homes on the lower side of the
hill.
As we came to about half way down the road we came to an immediate stop. I
had not done anything to stop. I had no reason to. The vehicle did not
lurch, no one was tossed about or even swayed. We came to a stop as if
against a cushion of very fluffy cotton. Then in front of us slid a car from
one of those drives and over to the other side. After the car passed to the
other side our vehicle resumed going down the road.
No one had seen the car coming down the hillside to even be frightened or
for me to react. We were all in amazement as to stopping so suddenly and not
having felt it. My foot was still upon the gas pedal, the engine was still
going but we had been at a dead standstill.
It cannot be explained away. Children of all ages shared the same experience
as I did and we were all rejoicing in it and how God protected us and the
other vehicle and passengers who were in it also.
This experience along with many others has taught me that what Jesus
promises is fact.
Donna
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