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11 Feb 2004 08:36:31 AM |
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Bible under further attack from A.C.'s church! |
Three Wise Men May Have Been Neither Wise Nor Men
Tue Feb 10, 9:12 AM ET Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo!
By Paul Majendie
LONDON (Reuters) - The Three Wise Men who followed the star to
Bethlehem bearing gifts for the baby Jesus may not have been all that
wise -- or even men.
The traditional infant Nativity play scene could be in for a drastic
rewrite after the Church of England indulged in some academic
gender-swapping over the three Magi at its General Synod in London
this week.
A committee revising the latest prayer book said the term "Magi" was a
transliteration of the name used by officials at the Persian court,
and that they could well have been women.
"Magi is a word which discloses nothing about numbers, wisdom or
gender embodied in the term," a Synod spokesman said on Tuesday after
the revision was agreed by the Church of England's parliament which
meets twice a year.
In the authorized 17th century King James bible used by up to 70
million worshippers in Anglican churches around the world, the
gift-bearing visitors are referred to as "The Three Wise Men."
Now they are to be called just "Magi" and no longer gender-specific in
the Anglican prayer book.
"Changing 'Wise Men' to 'Magi' seems to be an entirely sensible move,"
the Synod spokesman said.
The revision committee said: "While it seems very unlikely that these
Persian court officials were female, the possibility that one or more
of the Magi were female cannot be excluded completely."
There is no theological dispute about the gifts they brought -- gold,
frankincense and myrrh -- but the prayer has been changed to use the
word Magi on the grounds that "the visitors were not necessarily wise
and not necessarily men."
Synod officials denied that the Church of England, a pillar of the
Establishment in Britain, was being seized by an attack of political
correctness and pandering to feminists.
The decision was greeted by mocking newspaper headlines like "The
Three Fairly Sagacious Persons" and "Is it unwise to call the Magi
men?"
On Tuesday, the Synod will be turning its attention to "Gender Neutral
Titles."
Anglicans are debating whether words like "Chairman" can be replaced
at committee meetings by more neutral words like "Chair."
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| User: "Nobody special" |
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| Title: Re: Bible under further attack from A.C.'s church! |
11 Feb 2004 02:03:45 PM |
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I'm surprised that they didn't insist that the Magi were
homosexuals.
The UK already belongs to the AC. I used to work for
a company with a British branch. I made 5 trips there
and have many friends and acquaintances. Not a
single Christian in evidence although I did meet one
lone Jew. Everyone I met either gave no thought to
the matter or were scoffers.
If the reader is British and can correct my perceptions
I welcome it.
"martus" <marttila69@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Three Wise Men May Have Been Neither Wise Nor Men
Tue Feb 10, 9:12 AM ET Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo!
By Paul Majendie
LONDON (Reuters) - The Three Wise Men who followed the star to
Bethlehem bearing gifts for the baby Jesus may not have been all that
wise -- or even men.
The traditional infant Nativity play scene could be in for a drastic
rewrite after the Church of England indulged in some academic
gender-swapping over the three Magi at its General Synod in London
this week.
A committee revising the latest prayer book said the term "Magi" was a
transliteration of the name used by officials at the Persian court,
and that they could well have been women.
"Magi is a word which discloses nothing about numbers, wisdom or
gender embodied in the term," a Synod spokesman said on Tuesday after
the revision was agreed by the Church of England's parliament which
meets twice a year.
In the authorized 17th century King James bible used by up to 70
million worshippers in Anglican churches around the world, the
gift-bearing visitors are referred to as "The Three Wise Men."
Now they are to be called just "Magi" and no longer gender-specific in
the Anglican prayer book.
"Changing 'Wise Men' to 'Magi' seems to be an entirely sensible move,"
the Synod spokesman said.
The revision committee said: "While it seems very unlikely that these
Persian court officials were female, the possibility that one or more
of the Magi were female cannot be excluded completely."
There is no theological dispute about the gifts they brought -- gold,
frankincense and myrrh -- but the prayer has been changed to use the
word Magi on the grounds that "the visitors were not necessarily wise
and not necessarily men."
Synod officials denied that the Church of England, a pillar of the
Establishment in Britain, was being seized by an attack of political
correctness and pandering to feminists.
The decision was greeted by mocking newspaper headlines like "The
Three Fairly Sagacious Persons" and "Is it unwise to call the Magi
men?"
On Tuesday, the Synod will be turning its attention to "Gender Neutral
Titles."
Anglicans are debating whether words like "Chairman" can be replaced
at committee meetings by more neutral words like "Chair."
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| User: "Funny Looking" |
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11 Feb 2004 08:54:28 PM |
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Thank You,
David Meek
"martus" <marttila69@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Three Wise Men May Have Been Neither Wise Nor Men
Tue Feb 10, 9:12 AM ET Add Oddly Enough - Reuters to My Yahoo!
By Paul Majendie
LONDON (Reuters) - The Three Wise Men who followed the star to
Bethlehem bearing gifts for the baby Jesus may not have been all that
wise -- or even men.
The traditional infant Nativity play scene could be in for a drastic
rewrite after the Church of England indulged in some academic
gender-swapping over the three Magi at its General Synod in London
this week.
A committee revising the latest prayer book said the term "Magi" was a
transliteration of the name used by officials at the Persian court,
and that they could well have been women.
"Magi is a word which discloses nothing about numbers, wisdom or
gender embodied in the term," a Synod spokesman said on Tuesday after
the revision was agreed by the Church of England's parliament which
meets twice a year.
In the authorized 17th century King James bible used by up to 70
million worshippers in Anglican churches around the world, the
gift-bearing visitors are referred to as "The Three Wise Men."
You state that in the KJV of the bible states "The Three Wise Men."
It does nothing of the sort. Here are the vers(s) that you are reffuring to:
MT 2:1 Now when Jesus was born in Bethlehem of Judaea in the days of Herod the king, behold, there
came wise men from the east to Jerusalem,
MT 2:2 Saying, Where is he that is born King of the Jews? for we have seen his star in the east, and
are come to worship him.
MT 2:3 When Herod the king had heard these things, he was troubled, and all Jerusalem with him.
MT 2:4 And when he had gathered all the chief priests and scribes of the people together, he
demanded of them where Christ should be born.
MT 2:5 And they said unto him, In Bethlehem of Judaea: for thus it is written by the prophet,
MT 2:6 And thou Bethlehem, in the land of Judah, art not the least among the princes of Judah: for
out of thee shall come a Governor, that shall rule my people Israel.
MT 2:7 Then Herod, when he had privily called the wise men, inquired of them diligently what time
the star appeared.
MT 2:8 And he sent them to Bethlehem, and said, Go and search diligently for the young child; and
when ye have found him, bring me word again, that I may come and worship him also.
MT 2:9 When they had heard the king, they departed; and, lo, the star, which they saw in the east,
went before them, till it came and stood over where the young child was.
MT 2:10 When they saw the star, they rejoiced with exceeding great joy.
MT 2:11 And when they were come into the house, they saw the young child with Mary his mother, and
fell down, and worshipped him: and when they had opened their treasures, they presented unto him
gifts; gold, and frankincense, and myrrh.
See, there were three GIFTS. From that people just ASSUME there were three wise men but there could
have been 40 wise men bringing the three gifts. My point being that the Bible never says how many
there were. By the way, the above 'cut n paist' is from the King James Version of the Bible that you
spoke of.
Now they are to be called just "Magi" and no longer gender-specific in
the Anglican prayer book.
"Changing 'Wise Men' to 'Magi' seems to be an entirely sensible move,"
the Synod spokesman said.
The revision committee said: "While it seems very unlikely that these
Persian court officials were female, the possibility that one or more
of the Magi were female cannot be excluded completely."
There is no theological dispute about the gifts they brought -- gold,
frankincense and myrrh -- but the prayer has been changed to use the
word Magi on the grounds that "the visitors were not necessarily wise
and not necessarily men."
Synod officials denied that the Church of England, a pillar of the
Establishment in Britain, was being seized by an attack of political
correctness and pandering to feminists.
The decision was greeted by mocking newspaper headlines like "The
Three Fairly Sagacious Persons" and "Is it unwise to call the Magi
men?"
On Tuesday, the Synod will be turning its attention to "Gender Neutral
Titles."
Anglicans are debating whether words like "Chairman" can be replaced
at committee meetings by more neutral words like "Chair."
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