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"josh" |
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30 Dec 2006 04:49:52 AM |
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bird flu: evolution or intelligent design? |
At any time we may hear that the bird flu virus has mutated and become a
threat to humans, with the possibility of vulnerable people failing to
survive it.
But what produces this deadly mutation? Does it have the hand of God behind
it, making it an example of intelligent design, or is it a random mutation
as the virus evolves? Or is there a third explanation?
For me the answer is simple, even though I don't know the biological
processes involved: the virus evolves. Its effect on humans is just an
unlucky outcome.
A believer in God must say that God's hand guides the mutation, as any
other explanation implies an element of evolution. But if a believer says
that God does guide the mutation, he has to recognise that God would
therefore be directly responsible for many needless deaths, destroying his
reputation as a God of Love.
Of course, there may be a third answer for this situation, and I suspect
that believers will get themselves into a fearful tangle exploring it. As
long as we don't have stuff about God moving in mysterious ways; that would
be just an escape route.
Happy New Year everybody.
Josh
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| User: "basanistes" |
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| Title: Re: bird flu: evolution or intelligent design? |
30 Dec 2006 09:19:01 AM |
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"josh" <jillywoodsabc@jillywoods.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:wvadndW4ObjU2QvYRVnyjAA@eclipse.net.uk...
At any time we may hear that the bird flu virus has mutated and become a
threat to humans, with the possibility of vulnerable people failing to
survive it.
But what produces this deadly mutation? Does it have the hand of God
behind it, making it an example of intelligent design, or is it a random
mutation as the virus evolves? Or is there a third explanation?
For me the answer is simple, even though I don't know the biological
processes involved: the virus evolves. Its effect on humans is just an
unlucky outcome.
VIrusses quicky mutate, because they are not cells. Cells are much more
stable.
Do you have AAAAAANYYYYYYYYY prove, that virusses, sponanously change into
cells and become more complex live-forms?
(Except from infecting existing cells and merging with the existing DNA of
cells )
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| User: "Martin Willett" |
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| Title: Re: bird flu: evolution or intelligent design? |
30 Dec 2006 03:08:23 PM |
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basanistes wrote:
"josh" <jillywoodsabc@jillywoods.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:wvadndW4ObjU2QvYRVnyjAA@eclipse.net.uk...
At any time we may hear that the bird flu virus has mutated and become
a threat to humans, with the possibility of vulnerable people failing
to survive it.
But what produces this deadly mutation? Does it have the hand of God
behind it, making it an example of intelligent design, or is it a
random mutation as the virus evolves? Or is there a third explanation?
For me the answer is simple, even though I don't know the biological
processes involved: the virus evolves. Its effect on humans is just
an unlucky outcome.
VIrusses quicky mutate, because they are not cells. Cells are much more
stable.
Do you have AAAAAANYYYYYYYYY prove, that virusses, sponanously change
into cells and become more complex live-forms?
(Except from infecting existing cells and merging with the existing DNA
of cells )
Has anybody claimed viruses spontaneously change into cells?
A bird flu virus could mutate spontaneously into a form that could pass
from human to human, it could exchange genetic material with a flu virus
which is already endemic in humans or a different virus could become
either more deadly or more contagious or even both. Or none of the above
could happen this decade. But it is a virtual certainty that at some
stage a new deadly virus will sweep across the planet with the potential
to kill large numbers of people. It is overdue, we have been lucky for
longer than we have a right to expect.
New diseases do spring up from time to time. The most deadly of diseases
seem to spring out of nowhere, kill millions who are susceptible and
then vanish. Killing the host is a bad strategy for a disease, any
disease which kills most of those who contact it is likely to be short
lived. Over time diseases tend to become less severe. Just think about
syphilis, when the (insert name of hated enemy nation here) pox first
emerged it killed people horribly with hideous deformities. By the
nineteenth century a syphilis infection could be carried for years
without too many obvious signs and it was only in the final stages when
the victim went mad that people were sure they had it. Nowadays syphilis
is even less acute, which means it is far more likely to be spread to
the unwary than a disease that causes the flesh to fall from the body
within months of the first infection.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "basanistes" |
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| Title: Re: bird flu: evolution or intelligent design? |
31 Dec 2006 05:07:29 AM |
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"Martin Willett" <mwillett.org@invalid.invalid> wrote in message
news:4vo2pvF1cnb62U1@mid.individual.net...
basanistes wrote:
"josh" <jillywoodsabc@jillywoods.karoo.co.uk> wrote in message
news:wvadndW4ObjU2QvYRVnyjAA@eclipse.net.uk...
At any time we may hear that the bird flu virus has mutated and become a
threat to humans, with the possibility of vulnerable people failing to
survive it.
But what produces this deadly mutation? Does it have the hand of God
behind it, making it an example of intelligent design, or is it a random
mutation as the virus evolves? Or is there a third explanation?
For me the answer is simple, even though I don't know the biological
processes involved: the virus evolves. Its effect on humans is just an
unlucky outcome.
VIrusses quicky mutate, because they are not cells. Cells are much more
stable.
Do you have AAAAAANYYYYYYYYY prove, that virusses, sponanously change
into cells and become more complex live-forms?
(Except from infecting existing cells and merging with the existing DNA
of cells )
Has anybody claimed viruses spontaneously change into cells?
No, but they imply so. They say: "Look how quickly virusses mutate!" and so,
evolution is correct, (and silently they have added that the human evolved
out of apes as well, if you ask, they say, "that takes millions of years")
If live _started_ with virusses, at which point millions of years ago, did a
virus, succesfully establish the point of being a cell?
Why the virus-chit-chat, if nobody has given ****any*** evidence?
A bird flu virus could mutate spontaneously into a form that could pass
from human to human, it could exchange genetic material with a flu virus
which is already endemic in humans or a different virus could become
either more deadly or more contagious or even both. Or none of the above
could happen this decade. But it is a virtual certainty that at some stage
a new deadly virus will sweep across the planet with the potential to kill
large numbers of people. It is overdue, we have been lucky for longer than
we have a right to expect.
New diseases do spring up from time to time. The most deadly of diseases
seem to spring out of nowhere, kill millions who are susceptible and then
vanish. Killing the host is a bad strategy for a disease, any disease
which kills most of those who contact it is likely to be short lived. Over
time diseases tend to become less severe. Just think about syphilis, when
the (insert name of hated enemy nation here) pox first emerged it killed
people horribly with hideous deformities. By the nineteenth century a
syphilis infection could be carried for years without too many obvious
signs and it was only in the final stages when the victim went mad that
people were sure they had it. Nowadays syphilis is even less acute, which
means it is far more likely to be spread to the unwary than a disease that
causes the flesh to fall from the body within months of the first
infection.
--
Martin Willett
http://mwillett.org/
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| User: "Shapescare" |
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| Title: Re: bird flu: evolution or intelligent design? |
30 Dec 2006 05:18:26 AM |
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josh skrev:
At any time we may hear that the bird flu virus has mutated and become a
threat to humans, with the possibility of vulnerable people failing to
survive it.
But what produces this deadly mutation? Does it have the hand of God behind
it, making it an example of intelligent design, or is it a random mutation
as the virus evolves? Or is there a third explanation?
The bird flu virus and its mutations indicate that the god we read
about in the book of Job actually exists.
Happy new year:0)
Fatter'n
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