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"John the Baptist Jr." |
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06 Jan 2006 01:34:57 AM |
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Bought a Nelson KJV bible today |
Know I have a KJV print edition. Thanks to all who gave
recommendations.
Know I have a Pocket NIV and a Pocket KJV.
God bless everyone.
And remember to give praise to the Lord for life. Its what I have been
doing.
John
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John 1:6-9 There came a man who was sent from God;
his name was John. He came as a witness to testify
concerning that light, so that through him all men
might believe. He himself was not the light; he came
only as a witness to the light.
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/
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| Title: Re: Bought a Nelson KJV bible today |
08 Jan 2006 05:57:45 PM |
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"John the Baptist Jr." <johnw_94020@yahoo.com>, posted this little
bit of stuff:
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
Know I have a KJV print edition. Thanks to all who gave
recommendations.
To KNOW something is to UNDERSTAND something. NOW is a reference to
time. NOW you have a kjv print edition.
Know I have a Pocket NIV and a Pocket KJV.
NOW, not know.
God bless everyone.
And remember to give praise to the Lord for life. Its what I have been
doing.
Me too.
parakaleo (who taught spelling amongst other things to kids in school)
:-)
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| User: "vernon" |
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| Title: Re: Bought a Nelson KJV bible today |
09 Jan 2006 09:24:43 AM |
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<parakaleo@technicianheaven.com> wrote in message
news:jk93s15usiljegc53cg1rs5r86jap9ntna@4ax.com...
"John the Baptist Jr." <johnw_94020@yahoo.com>, posted this little
bit of stuff:
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
Know I have a KJV print edition. Thanks to all who gave
recommendations.
To KNOW something is to UNDERSTAND something. NOW is a reference to
time. NOW you have a kjv print edition.
Know I have a Pocket NIV and a Pocket KJV.
NOW, not know.
God bless everyone.
And remember to give praise to the Lord for life. Its what I have been
doing.
Me too.
parakaleo (who taught spelling amongst other things to kids in school)
:-)
You taught goats how to spell? I'm impressed. :>)
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| Title: Re: Bought a Nelson KJV bible today |
11 Jan 2006 07:08:01 PM |
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"vernon" <here@where.net>, posted this little bit of stuff:
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
<parakaleo@technicianheaven.com> wrote in message
news:jk93s15usiljegc53cg1rs5r86jap9ntna@4ax.com...
"John the Baptist Jr." <johnw_94020@yahoo.com>, posted this little
bit of stuff:
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
Know I have a KJV print edition. Thanks to all who gave
recommendations.
To KNOW something is to UNDERSTAND something. NOW is a reference to
time. NOW you have a kjv print edition.
Know I have a Pocket NIV and a Pocket KJV.
NOW, not know.
God bless everyone.
And remember to give praise to the Lord for life. Its what I have been
doing.
Me too.
parakaleo (who taught spelling amongst other things to kids in school)
:-)
You taught goats how to spell? I'm impressed. :>)
You consider 4th graders in public school to be "goats?"
How stupid is THAT?
parakaleo
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Bought a Nelson KJV bible today |
13 Jan 2006 10:51:59 AM |
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"vernon" <here@where.net>, posted this little bit of stuff:
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
<parakaleo@technicianheaven.com> wrote in message
news:jk93s15usiljegc53cg1rs5r86jap9ntna@4ax.com...
"John the Baptist Jr." <johnw_94020@yahoo.com>, posted this little
bit of stuff:
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
Know I have a KJV print edition. Thanks to all who gave
recommendations.
To KNOW something is to UNDERSTAND something. NOW is a reference to
time. NOW you have a kjv print edition.
Know I have a Pocket NIV and a Pocket KJV.
NOW, not know.
God bless everyone.
And remember to give praise to the Lord for life. Its what I have been
doing.
Me too.
parakaleo (who taught spelling amongst other things to kids in school)
:-)
You taught goats how to spell? I'm impressed. :>)
You really think the children who attend school are goats?
Or are you one of those folks who think that "kid" has only one
meaning?
parakaleo
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| User: "galia" |
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| Title: Re: Bought a Nelson KJV bible today |
06 Jan 2006 10:11:09 AM |
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"John the Baptist Jr." <johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:johnw_94020-369224.23345705012006@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
Know I have a KJV print edition. Thanks to all who gave
recommendations.
Know I have a Pocket NIV and a Pocket KJV.
God bless everyone.
And remember to give praise to the Lord for life. Its what I have been
doing.
John
NOW everybody KNOWS that you bought a KJV print edition!
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| User: "ujb" |
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| Title: Re: Bought a Nelson KJV bible today |
06 Jan 2006 12:50:22 PM |
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galia wrote:
"John the Baptist Jr." <johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:johnw_94020-369224.23345705012006@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
Know I have a KJV print edition. Thanks to all who gave
recommendations.
Know I have a Pocket NIV and a Pocket KJV.
God bless everyone.
And remember to give praise to the Lord for life. Its what I have been
doing.
John
NOW everybody KNOWS that you bought a KJV print edition!
And we all know it was second on his list after wanting someone to give
him a free laptop!
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| User: "Doc Watson --- † I say, Holmes!! " |
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| Title: Re: Bought a Nelson KJV bible today |
06 Jan 2006 10:57:50 PM |
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On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:50:22 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> said the
following funny stuff in this here little old news 'froup:
And we all know it was second on his list after wanting someone to give
him a free laptop!
a FREE laptop? Wow!!! I'd love one too! :o)
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| User: "Terrell D Lewis" |
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07 Jan 2006 12:23:45 AM |
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"Doc Watson --- ? (I say, Holmes!!) " <Major@Watson.yup> wrote in message
news:2qhur1hcstpka0392jvsubdnd50pog0uvk@4ax.com...
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:50:22 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> said the
following funny stuff in this here little old news 'froup:
And we all know it was second on his list after wanting someone to give
him a free laptop!
a FREE laptop? Wow!!! I'd love one too! :o)
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Seriously, would make reading books on my computer easier, and I could take
a laptop with notation software along with my guitar to the park and not
have to deal with the wind threatening my staff paper, breaking pencil leads
or losing erasers. But, they are still out of range price wise when I just
paid $200 for a AMD2.2 with DVD Burner (already had the TV card etc.)
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Terrell
http://www.songbookz.com
http://www.lastofall.com
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| User: "MEM" |
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07 Jan 2006 08:57:24 AM |
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On Sat, 07 Jan 2006 06:23:45 GMT, "Terrell D Lewis"
<composer7@NOSPAM.net> said the following funny stuff in this here
little old news 'froup:
"Doc Watson --- ? (I say, Holmes!!) " <Major@Watson.yup> wrote in message
news:2qhur1hcstpka0392jvsubdnd50pog0uvk@4ax.com...
On Fri, 06 Jan 2006 13:50:22 -0500, ujb <ujb@bigfoot.com> said the
following funny stuff in this here little old news 'froup:
And we all know it was second on his list after wanting someone to give
him a free laptop!
a FREE laptop? Wow!!! I'd love one too! :o)
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Seriously, would make reading books on my computer easier, and I could take
a laptop with notation software along with my guitar to the park and not
have to deal with the wind threatening my staff paper, breaking pencil leads
or losing erasers. But, they are still out of range price wise when I just
paid $200 for a AMD2.2 with DVD Burner (already had the TV card etc.)
Well -- I had to pay for mine. It's old now, but still works. The
'new' one I bought turned out to be a dud, and I took the useless
thing back to the store for a refund.
The new ones nowadays.. so many turn out to be a joke.
I think I'll just coast for awhile B4 buying another one . but if
anyone wants to give me a free one, who am I to refuse? !! :o)
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| User: "vernon" |
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| Title: Re: Bought a Nelson KJV bible today |
06 Jan 2006 11:15:17 AM |
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"John the Baptist Jr." <johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:johnw_94020-369224.23345705012006@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
Know I have a KJV print edition. Thanks to all who gave
recommendations.
Know I have a Pocket NIV and a Pocket KJV.
God bless everyone.
And remember to give praise to the Lord for life. Its what I have been
doing.
Just remember that your pocket doesn't need saving or teaching.
John
--
John 1:6-9 There came a man who was sent from God;
his name was John. He came as a witness to testify
concerning that light, so that through him all men
might believe. He himself was not the light; he came
only as a witness to the light.
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/
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| User: "" |
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08 Jan 2006 09:43:30 AM |
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"vernon" <here@where.net>, posted this little bit of stuff:
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
"John the Baptist Jr." <johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:johnw_94020-369224.23345705012006@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
Know I have a KJV print edition. Thanks to all who gave
recommendations.
Know I have a Pocket NIV and a Pocket KJV.
God bless everyone.
And remember to give praise to the Lord for life. Its what I have been
doing.
Just remember that your pocket doesn't need saving or teaching.
I came to Jesus Christ through folks who used the RSV translation. It
worked well as a tool to lead me to Jesus Christ, probably better than
the kjv would have since I don't converse in olde English.
I don't pray in pseudo-olde English either as most of my kjv-onlier
friends do. They seem to think in modern, but speak to God in
pseudo-olde.
<chuckle>
parakaleo
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| User: "vernon" |
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| Title: Re: Bought a Nelson KJV bible today |
08 Jan 2006 03:32:37 PM |
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<parakaleo@technicianheaven.com> wrote in message
news:pkc2s15hgqp3tqf0hs208eshiddsdei0qr@4ax.com...
"vernon" <here@where.net>, posted this little bit of stuff:
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
"John the Baptist Jr." <johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:johnw_94020-369224.23345705012006@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
Know I have a KJV print edition. Thanks to all who gave
recommendations.
Know I have a Pocket NIV and a Pocket KJV.
God bless everyone.
And remember to give praise to the Lord for life. Its what I have been
doing.
Just remember that your pocket doesn't need saving or teaching.
I came to Jesus Christ through folks who used the RSV translation. It
worked well as a tool to lead me to Jesus Christ, probably better than
the kjv would have since I don't converse in olde English.
I don't pray in pseudo-olde English either as most of my kjv-onlier
friends do. They seem to think in modern, but speak to God in
pseudo-olde.
<chuckle>
parakaleo
Nothing is more disingenuous or silly than prayers verbalized in a church.
Thees and Thous and every other word "Lord", or a mini sermon to the
audience.
I "happen" to like KJV.
I also took a lot of English and middle English in College.
A friend of mine was raised in France and often uses a French bible.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Bought a Nelson KJV bible today |
08 Jan 2006 05:59:23 PM |
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"vernon" <here@where.net>, posted this little bit of stuff:
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
<parakaleo@technicianheaven.com> wrote in message
news:pkc2s15hgqp3tqf0hs208eshiddsdei0qr@4ax.com...
"vernon" <here@where.net>, posted this little bit of stuff:
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
"John the Baptist Jr." <johnw_94020@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:johnw_94020-369224.23345705012006@sn-indi.vsrv-sjc.supernews.net...
Know I have a KJV print edition. Thanks to all who gave
recommendations.
Know I have a Pocket NIV and a Pocket KJV.
God bless everyone.
And remember to give praise to the Lord for life. Its what I have been
doing.
Just remember that your pocket doesn't need saving or teaching.
I came to Jesus Christ through folks who used the RSV translation. It
worked well as a tool to lead me to Jesus Christ, probably better than
the kjv would have since I don't converse in olde English.
I don't pray in pseudo-olde English either as most of my kjv-onlier
friends do. They seem to think in modern, but speak to God in
pseudo-olde.
<chuckle>
parakaleo
Nothing is more disingenuous or silly than prayers verbalized in a church.
Thees and Thous and every other word "Lord", or a mini sermon to the
audience.
I "happen" to like KJV.
I also took a lot of English and middle English in College.
A friend of mine was raised in France and often uses a French bible.
I too LIKE the kjv, but would NEVER be a kjv-onlier.
And I spent time in Germany and have read it in German. Am also
studying Biblical Greek to read the New Testament in the original
language for better understanding.
parakaleo
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| User: "stone" |
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| Title: Re: Bought a Nelson KJV bible today |
08 Jan 2006 12:22:40 PM |
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John the Baptist Jr. wrote in message ...
Know I have a KJV print edition. Thanks to all who gave
recommendations.
Know I have a Pocket NIV and a Pocket KJV.
God bless everyone.
And remember to give praise to the Lord for life. Its what I have been
doing.
John
--
John 1:6-9 There came a man who was sent from God;
his name was John. He came as a witness to testify
concerning that light, so that through him all men
might believe. He himself was not the light; he came
only as a witness to the light.
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/
Stay with the KJV. It is the real bible translated from the original
unaltered texts, massoretic text of the Jews Old Testament, and textus
receptus (called byzantine text ) new Testament.
The KJV is the best bible in print, even though it has some outdated English
in it.
[Most modern bible versions have a corrupted Alexandrian text in them and 5%
of the words have been changed and are not the original.]
These modern versions have been corrupted and have some of the words
changed.
Partial List of Corrupt New Versions
AMP Amplified Version ASV American Standard Version CEV Contemporary English
Version KJ21 21st Century King James Version NAB New American Bible (RC)
NASB New American Standard Bible NCV New Century Version NIV New
International Version NIVI New International Version Inclusive NKJV New King
James Version NLT New Living Translation (The Book) NRSV New Revised
Standard Version RSV Revised Standard Version RV Revised Version TEV Today's
English Version (Good News For Modern Man)
You can listen to the KJV bible on your computer being read by Alexander
Scouby at this website:
http://www.audio-bible.com/bible/bible.html
You can go to scourby.com and order tape cassettes of the KJV being read on
tape.
You can get a pocket tape player and rechargeable AA batteries and listen to
the KJV all day long, and become a great bible scholar if you like.
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| User: "" |
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| Title: Re: Bought a Nelson KJV bible today |
08 Jan 2006 06:11:52 PM |
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com>, posted this little bit of
stuff:
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
John the Baptist Jr. wrote in message ...
Know I have a KJV print edition. Thanks to all who gave
recommendations.
Know I have a Pocket NIV and a Pocket KJV.
God bless everyone.
And remember to give praise to the Lord for life. Its what I have been
doing.
John
--
John 1:6-9 There came a man who was sent from God;
his name was John. He came as a witness to testify
concerning that light, so that through him all men
might believe. He himself was not the light; he came
only as a witness to the light.
CERM-Church Education Resource Ministries
http://johnw.freeshell.org/bible/
Stay with the KJV. It is the real bible translated from the original
unaltered texts, massoretic text of the Jews Old Testament, and textus
receptus (called byzantine text ) new Testament.
BOY are you brainwashed with nonsense. First off, the kjv (a good,
but not nearly "perfedt" translation) was translated from Erasmus' 3rd
and 4th editions of the Greek New Testament, which Erasmus gathered
and pieced together from eleventh and twelfth century fragments!
Textus Receptus didn't come into existance until NINETEEN REVISIONS
LATER in 1633, TWENTY TWO YEARS AFTER THE kjv was finished and revised
once. The current kjv has been revised six times since the original
was published, in 1629, 1638, 1653, 1701, 1762, 1769 with
approximately 75,000 detail changes.
So WHICH KJV DO YOU WANT TO CLAIM IS THE "REAL" BIBLE? 1611? 1629?
1638? 1653? 1701? 1762? 1769? Maybe the NKJV?
And WHY do you pick the one you choose? Or will you hide your head
in the sand and pretend the revisions never took place (while
pretending the holocaust never took place, Kennedy was never shot, and
Elvis Presley is alive in England)???!!!!
The KJV is the best bible in print, even though it has some outdated English
in it.
You are welcome to your unfounded opinion.
[Most modern bible versions have a corrupted Alexandrian text in them and 5%
of the words have been changed and are not the original.]
Since you have never met another human being walking the earth today
who has ever SEEN THE ORIGINAL, I will take your unwarranted claim for
what it is worth. . .nothing at all.
These modern versions have been corrupted and have some of the words
changed.
Changed FROM WHAT? If you mean that the other translations do not use
the same words as the kjv, that is normal for multiple translations of
documents from one language to another, and is perfectly proper.
Partial List of Corrupt New Versions
AMP Amplified Version ASV American Standard Version CEV Contemporary English
Version KJ21 21st Century King James Version NAB New American Bible (RC)
NASB New American Standard Bible NCV New Century Version NIV New
International Version NIVI New International Version Inclusive NKJV New King
James Version NLT New Living Translation (The Book) NRSV New Revised
Standard Version RSV Revised Standard Version RV Revised Version TEV Today's
English Version (Good News For Modern Man)
Other than your word and your opinion, what do you have to offer as
"proof" that these are poor translations, or that the non-Erasmus
texts are "corrupt?"
Or are you, as most kjv-onliers do, merely parroting what you have
been told by your pastors?
You can listen to the KJV bible on your computer being read by Alexander
Scouby at this website:
I can read the kjv, niv, nasb, nkjv, or any other translation
available any day by myself. If you are unable to read English, why
are you trying to promote a Bible you know nothing about?
For instance, can you tell me the names and normal jobs of ANY of the
translators of the kjv Bible? Where were they employed? What kind of
folks were they?
Or do you believe your kjv-onlier hack pastor who tells you they all
were able to walk on water and had shiny halos floating over their
heads?
parakaleo (chuckling all the way!)
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| User: "vernon" |
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| Title: Re: Bought a Nelson KJV bible today |
09 Jan 2006 09:23:02 AM |
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<parakaleo@technicianheaven.com> wrote in message
news:7r93s1tp115e32i2ucpkamicvj4uh3vrqv@4ax.com...
"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com>, posted this little bit of
stuff:
You can listen to the KJV bible on your computer being read by Alexander
Scouby at this website:
I can read the kjv, niv, nasb, nkjv, or any other translation
available any day by myself. If you are unable to read English, why
are you trying to promote a Bible you know nothing about?
KJV is the only one not copywritten.
It belongs to all.
It can be recorded and distributed for free.
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| User: "" |
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11 Jan 2006 07:06:42 PM |
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"vernon" <here@where.net>, posted this little bit of stuff:
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
<parakaleo@technicianheaven.com> wrote in message
news:7r93s1tp115e32i2ucpkamicvj4uh3vrqv@4ax.com...
"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com>, posted this little bit of
stuff:
You can listen to the KJV bible on your computer being read by Alexander
Scouby at this website:
I can read the kjv, niv, nasb, nkjv, or any other translation
available any day by myself. If you are unable to read English, why
are you trying to promote a Bible you know nothing about?
KJV is the only one not copywritten.
It belongs to all.
It can be recorded and distributed for free.
So can the Darby, the American Standard and many other translations
whose copyrights (just like the kjv) no longer exist.
Of course, copyright law didn't exist as such in 1611.
So what?
My question is still the same and is still valid:
If you are unable to read English, why are you trying to promote a
Bible you know nothing about.
parakaleo
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| User: "Roy Mock roymock1@optusnetDOTcomDOTau" |
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09 Jan 2006 02:34:51 PM |
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"vernon" <here@where.net> wrote in message
news:43c27fce$0$16967$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com...
<parakaleo@technicianheaven.com> wrote in message
news:7r93s1tp115e32i2ucpkamicvj4uh3vrqv@4ax.com...
"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com>, posted this little bit of
stuff:
You can listen to the KJV bible on your computer being read by Alexander
Scouby at this website:
I can read the kjv, niv, nasb, nkjv, or any other translation
available any day by myself. If you are unable to read English, why
are you trying to promote a Bible you know nothing about?
KJV is the only one not copywritten.
I think you'ld find that it's under perpetual crown copyright in the United
Kingdom.
Elsewhere in the world, it's long since become a part of the public domain.
It belongs to all.
It can be recorded and distributed for free.
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| User: "vernon" |
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| Title: Re: Bought a Nelson KJV bible today |
09 Jan 2006 04:08:17 PM |
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"Roy Mock" <roymock1@optusnetDOTcomDOTau> wrote in message
news:43c2c8e7$0$17706$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"vernon" <here@where.net> wrote in message
news:43c27fce$0$16967$9a6e19ea@unlimited.newshosting.com...
<parakaleo@technicianheaven.com> wrote in message
news:7r93s1tp115e32i2ucpkamicvj4uh3vrqv@4ax.com...
"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com>, posted this little bit of
stuff:
You can listen to the KJV bible on your computer being read by Alexander
Scouby at this website:
I can read the kjv, niv, nasb, nkjv, or any other translation
available any day by myself. If you are unable to read English, why
are you trying to promote a Bible you know nothing about?
KJV is the only one not copywritten.
I think you'ld find that it's under perpetual crown copyright in the
United Kingdom.
And?
Do you know what that means?
Elsewhere in the world, it's long since become a part of the public
domain.
It belongs to all.
It can be recorded and distributed for free.
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| User: "Roy Mock roymock1@optusnetDOTcomDOTau" |
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09 Jan 2006 04:50:05 PM |
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"vernon" <here@where.net> wrote in message
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"Roy Mock" <roymock1@optusnetDOTcomDOTau> wrote in message
news:43c2c8e7$0$17706$afc38c87@news.optusnet.com.au...
"vernon" <here@where.net> wrote in message
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com>, posted this little bit of
stuff:
You can listen to the KJV bible on your computer being read by
Alexander
Scouby at this website:
I can read the kjv, niv, nasb, nkjv, or any other translation
available any day by myself. If you are unable to read English, why
are you trying to promote a Bible you know nothing about?
KJV is the only one not copywritten.
I think you'ld find that it's under perpetual crown copyright in the
United Kingdom.
And?
Do you know what that means?
I'm not sure what you had in mind, but copyright is vested in the UK by
Letters Patent because it is an official document of the church in England,
and the British government licenses all printings of the text.
Elsewhere in the world, it's long since become a part of the public
domain.
I.e. anyone outside the UK can publish the text as they wish. Having said
that, I'm not up to speed on international copyright law at this point.
Cheers.
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09 Jan 2006 05:58:17 PM |
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"Roy Mock" <roymock1@optusnetDOTcomDOTau> wrote in message
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<parakaleo@technicianheaven.com> wrote in message
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com>, posted this little bit of
stuff:
You can listen to the KJV bible on your computer being read by
Alexander
Scouby at this website:
I can read the kjv, niv, nasb, nkjv, or any other translation
available any day by myself. If you are unable to read English, why
are you trying to promote a Bible you know nothing about?
KJV is the only one not copywritten.
I think you'ld find that it's under perpetual crown copyright in the
United Kingdom.
And?
Do you know what that means?
I'm not sure what you had in mind, but copyright is vested in the UK by
Letters Patent because it is an official document of the church in
England, and the British government licenses all printings of the text.
The point is "openly" licenses as long as no one takes any credit or
modifies it and calls it original.
That is different that the copyright system of U.S. or Britain in general.
No big deal.
The point is that it is free to publish and it is expected that, for large
prints, N.T or complete, acknowledgement is given.
Elsewhere in the world, it's long since become a part of the public
domain.
I.e. anyone outside the UK can publish the text as they wish. Having said
that, I'm not up to speed on international copyright law at this point.
Cheers.
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09 Jan 2006 06:18:17 PM |
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"vernon" <here@where.net> wrote in message
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"Roy Mock" <roymock1@optusnetDOTcomDOTau> wrote in message
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"Roy Mock" <roymock1@optusnetDOTcomDOTau> wrote in message
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<parakaleo@technicianheaven.com> wrote in message
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com>, posted this little bit of
stuff:
You can listen to the KJV bible on your computer being read by
Alexander
Scouby at this website:
I can read the kjv, niv, nasb, nkjv, or any other translation
available any day by myself. If you are unable to read English, why
are you trying to promote a Bible you know nothing about?
KJV is the only one not copywritten.
I think you'ld find that it's under perpetual crown copyright in the
United Kingdom.
And?
Do you know what that means?
I'm not sure what you had in mind, but copyright is vested in the UK by
Letters Patent because it is an official document of the church in
England, and the British government licenses all printings of the text.
The point is "openly" licenses as long as no one takes any credit or
modifies it and calls it original.
That is different that the copyright system of U.S. or Britain in general.
That's why I thought that international copyright law would come in - least
for the incidental stuff like artwork (i.e. setout, typefaces etc).
No big deal.
The point is that it is free to publish and it is expected that, for large
prints, N.T or complete, acknowledgement is given.
You could be right but I don't know the details of the licencing agreement,
only that Oxford and Cambridge universites posses the right to print
editions of the KJB there.
Elsewhere in the world, it's long since become a part of the public
domain.
I.e. anyone outside the UK can publish the text as they wish. Having
said that, I'm not up to speed on international copyright law at this
point.
Cheers.
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| User: "vernon" |
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10 Jan 2006 07:51:58 AM |
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"Roy Mock" <roymock1@optusnetDOTcomDOTau> wrote in message
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"Roy Mock" <roymock1@optusnetDOTcomDOTau> wrote in message
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<parakaleo@technicianheaven.com> wrote in message
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com>, posted this little bit of
stuff:
You can listen to the KJV bible on your computer being read by
Alexander
Scouby at this website:
I can read the kjv, niv, nasb, nkjv, or any other translation
available any day by myself. If you are unable to read English, why
are you trying to promote a Bible you know nothing about?
KJV is the only one not copywritten.
I think you'ld find that it's under perpetual crown copyright in the
United Kingdom.
And?
Do you know what that means?
I'm not sure what you had in mind, but copyright is vested in the UK by
Letters Patent because it is an official document of the church in
England, and the British government licenses all printings of the text.
The point is "openly" licenses as long as no one takes any credit or
modifies it and calls it original.
That is different that the copyright system of U.S. or Britain in
general.
That's why I thought that international copyright law would come in -
least for the incidental stuff like artwork (i.e. setout, typefaces etc).
No big deal.
The point is that it is free to publish and it is expected that, for
large prints, N.T or complete, acknowledgement is given.
You could be right but I don't know the details of the licencing
agreement, only that Oxford and Cambridge universites posses the right to
print editions of the KJB there.
I am not totally positive of the details but there is a difference in
incidental copyright (being owned by the government) and registered
copyright.
The Church of England is "owned" by the government and everything the Church
owns is owned by the government.
Elsewhere in the world, it's long since become a part of the public
domain.
I.e. anyone outside the UK can publish the text as they wish. Having
said that, I'm not up to speed on international copyright law at this
point.
Cheers.
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10 Jan 2006 01:57:14 PM |
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"vernon" <here@where.net> wrote in message
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com>, posted this little bit of
stuff:
You can listen to the KJV bible on your computer being read by
Alexander
Scouby at this website:
I can read the kjv, niv, nasb, nkjv, or any other translation
available any day by myself. If you are unable to read English,
why
are you trying to promote a Bible you know nothing about?
KJV is the only one not copywritten.
I think you'ld find that it's under perpetual crown copyright in the
United Kingdom.
And?
Do you know what that means?
I'm not sure what you had in mind, but copyright is vested in the UK by
Letters Patent because it is an official document of the church in
England, and the British government licenses all printings of the text.
The point is "openly" licenses as long as no one takes any credit or
modifies it and calls it original.
That is different that the copyright system of U.S. or Britain in
general.
That's why I thought that international copyright law would come in -
least for the incidental stuff like artwork (i.e. setout, typefaces etc).
No big deal.
The point is that it is free to publish and it is expected that, for
large prints, N.T or complete, acknowledgement is given.
You could be right but I don't know the details of the licencing
agreement, only that Oxford and Cambridge universites posses the right to
print editions of the KJB there.
I am not totally positive of the details but there is a difference in
incidental copyright (being owned by the government) and registered
copyright.
The Church of England is "owned" by the government and everything the
Church owns is owned by the government.
I'm not sure what you are getting at there.
(If you can excuse my ignorance), an author has implied copyright over his
work, therefore it does not need to be registered.
A writer has copyright over the text, whereas his publisher would have
copyright over it's contribution, namely typesetting and graphics.
So, in the US, while the KJV text is free from copyright, the typesetting of
any edition of interest may not necessarily be.
At one stage the life of copyright is 50 years (music recordings may be
shorter?), but I remember hearing that Disney wanted to push it to something
like 75 years (or whatever). However, don't quote me - I'm really not up to
speed on these matters.
Going back to your original premise about KJV and copyright. Yes, it''s out
of copyright in the US. But typesetting may be held by others.
Cheers.
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| User: "vernon" |
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10 Jan 2006 03:44:08 PM |
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com>, posted this little bit of
stuff:
You can listen to the KJV bible on your computer being read by
Alexander
Scouby at this website:
I can read the kjv, niv, nasb, nkjv, or any other translation
available any day by myself. If you are unable to read English,
why
are you trying to promote a Bible you know nothing about?
KJV is the only one not copywritten.
I think you'ld find that it's under perpetual crown copyright in the
United Kingdom.
And?
Do you know what that means?
I'm not sure what you had in mind, but copyright is vested in the UK
by Letters Patent because it is an official document of the church in
England, and the British government licenses all printings of the
text.
The point is "openly" licenses as long as no one takes any credit or
modifies it and calls it original.
That is different that the copyright system of U.S. or Britain in
general.
That's why I thought that international copyright law would come in -
least for the incidental stuff like artwork (i.e. setout, typefaces
etc).
No big deal.
The point is that it is free to publish and it is expected that, for
large prints, N.T or complete, acknowledgement is given.
You could be right but I don't know the details of the licencing
agreement, only that Oxford and Cambridge universites posses the right
to print editions of the KJB there.
I am not totally positive of the details but there is a difference in
incidental copyright (being owned by the government) and registered
copyright.
The Church of England is "owned" by the government and everything the
Church owns is owned by the government.
I'm not sure what you are getting at there.
O.K. apply all the rules of printing copies of the United States
Constitution. (Government written and owned)
I am assuming that you knew that the Church of England is a government
Church, bought and paid for.
(If you can excuse my ignorance), an author has implied copyright over his
work, therefore it does not need to be registered.
Implied is a wide word.
Copying with acknowledgement. Copying with full acknowledgement and
charging for copies
A writer has copyright over the text, whereas his publisher would have
copyright over it's contribution, namely typesetting and graphics.
So, in the US, while the KJV text is free from copyright, the typesetting
of any edition of interest may not necessarily be.
At one stage the life of copyright is 50 years (music recordings may be
shorter?), but I remember hearing that Disney wanted to push it to
something like 75 years (or whatever). However, don't quote me - I'm
really not up to speed on these matters.
Going back to your original premise about KJV and copyright. Yes, it''s
out of copyright in the US. But typesetting may be held by others.
Cheers.
Basic:
Anyone can type and print or publish a KJV or any variation of it, including
arbitrary changes.
It is , for all intents and purposes, public domain.
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| User: "Roy Mock roymock1@optusnetDOTcomDOTau" |
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10 Jan 2006 04:12:44 PM |
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<parakaleo@technicianheaven.com> wrote in message
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com>, posted this little bit
of
stuff:
You can listen to the KJV bible on your computer being read by
Alexander
Scouby at this website:
I can read the kjv, niv, nasb, nkjv, or any other translation
available any day by myself. If you are unable to read English,
why
are you trying to promote a Bible you know nothing about?
KJV is the only one not copywritten.
I think you'ld find that it's under perpetual crown copyright in
the United Kingdom.
And?
Do you know what that means?
I'm not sure what you had in mind, but copyright is vested in the UK
by Letters Patent because it is an official document of the church in
England, and the British government licenses all printings of the
text.
The point is "openly" licenses as long as no one takes any credit or
modifies it and calls it original.
That is different that the copyright system of U.S. or Britain in
general.
That's why I thought that international copyright law would come in -
least for the incidental stuff like artwork (i.e. setout, typefaces
etc).
No big deal.
The point is that it is free to publish and it is expected that, for
large prints, N.T or complete, acknowledgement is given.
You could be right but I don't know the details of the licencing
agreement, only that Oxford and Cambridge universites posses the right
to print editions of the KJB there.
I am not totally positive of the details but there is a difference in
incidental copyright (being owned by the government) and registered
copyright.
The Church of England is "owned" by the government and everything the
Church owns is owned by the government.
I'm not sure what you are getting at there.
O.K. apply all the rules of printing copies of the United States
Constitution. (Government written and owned)
I am assuming that you knew that the Church of England is a government
Church, bought and paid for.
(If you can excuse my ignorance), an author has implied copyright over
his work, therefore it does not need to be registered.
My statement above is do with copyright rather than copying. There's a
difference.
One does not need to register for copyright, for implied copyright covers
any author's work.
Implied is a wide word.
Copying with acknowledgement. Copying with full acknowledgement and
charging for copies
Charging is not always the issue.
I'm aware that some translations allow for copying with acknowledgement with
prescibed limits or controls according to the licence.
Dunno about the KJV outside the UK.
A writer has copyright over the text, whereas his publisher would have
copyright over it's contribution, namely typesetting and graphics.
So, in the US, while the KJV text is free from copyright, the typesetting
of any edition of interest may not necessarily be.
At one stage the life of copyright is 50 years (music recordings may be
shorter?), but I remember hearing that Disney wanted to push it to
something like 75 years (or whatever). However, don't quote me - I'm
really not up to speed on these matters.
Going back to your original premise about KJV and copyright. Yes, it''s
out of copyright in the US. But typesetting may be held by others.
Cheers.
Basic:
Anyone can type and print or publish a KJV or any variation of it,
including arbitrary changes.
It is , for all intents and purposes, public domain.
The text is, anyway.
BTW I would think that the italics (or similar editorial method) should be
preserved, though.
Cheers.
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10 Jan 2006 05:11:50 PM |
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"Roy Mock" <roymock1@optusnetDOTcomDOTau> wrote in message
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You can "copy", copy and revise, reprint, imitate text, adulterate, say it
is KJV when not, the KJV bible.
The only "copying" that cannot be done with the KJV is to photograph and
"REPRODUCE" a version.
That is not to say that if I were to publish a KJV bible with a certain
style or note system that I couldn't copyright the system and the notes and
the style, but it is not automatic.
Why do I have a little knowledge of "government" oriented copyright and
patents?
I developed several techniques and designs under government contract that
AUTOMATICALLY became public domain. Had I developed them independant of the
government, I and the various companies I worked for would be millions of
dollars richer. BUT, I want for nothing anyway, so it doesn't matter.
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15 Jan 2006 06:40:42 PM |
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On Mon, 9 Jan 2006 08:23:02 -0700, "vernon" <here@where.net> wrote:
<parakaleo@technicianheaven.com> wrote in message
news:7r93s1tp115e32i2ucpkamicvj4uh3vrqv@4ax.com...
"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com>, posted this little bit of
stuff:
You can listen to the KJV bible on your computer being read by Alexander
Scouby at this website:
I can read the kjv, niv, nasb, nkjv, or any other translation
available any day by myself. If you are unable to read English, why
are you trying to promote a Bible you know nothing about?
KJV is the only one not copywritten.
It belongs to all.
It can be recorded and distributed for free.
The letter "J" is a new invention.
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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08 Jan 2006 12:56:36 PM |
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On 8 Jan 2006 18:22:40 GMT, "stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com>
wrote:
Stay with the KJV. It is the real bible translated from the original
unaltered texts, massoretic text of the Jews Old Testament, and textus
receptus (called byzantine text ) new Testament.
"It is the real bible". Yeah right.
Then why does the KJV have italicized text?
The Missing Books of the Bible:
1) Book of the Covenant [Exodus 24:7]
2) Book of the Wars of the Lord [Numbers 21:14]
3) Book of Jasher [Joshua 10:13]
4) The Manner of the Kingdom [1 Samuel 10:25]
5) Book of Samuel [1 Chronicles 29:29]
6) Book of Nathan [1 Chronicles 29:29]
7) Acts of Solomon [1 Kings 11:41]
8) Book of Shemaiah [2 Chronicles 12:15]
9) Prophecy of Ahijah [2 Chronicles 9:29]
10) Story of the Prophet Iddo [2 Chronicles 13:22]
11) Book of Jehu [2 Chronicles 20:34]
12) Sayings of the Seers [2 Chronicles 33:19]
13) Book of Enoch [Jude 1:14]
14) Book of Gad [1 Chronicles 29:29]
15) Book of the Annals of King David [1 Chronicles 27:24]
16) Nazarene Prophecy Source [Matthew 2:23]
17) Acts of Uziah [2 Chronicles 26:22]
18) Epistle to the Ephesians [Ephesians 3:3]
19) Epistle from Laodicea to the Colossians [Colossians 4:16]
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08 Jan 2006 06:14:05 PM |
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Saint Zombie <no.email@truth.org>, posted this little bit of stuff:
you posted in alt.religion.christian.baptist :
On 8 Jan 2006 18:22:40 GMT, "stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com>
wrote:
Stay with the KJV. It is the real bible translated from the original
unaltered texts, massoretic text of the Jews Old Testament, and textus
receptus (called byzantine text ) new Testament.
"It is the real bible". Yeah right.
Then why does the KJV have italicized text?
The Missing Books of the Bible:
1) Book of the Covenant [Exodus 24:7]
2) Book of the Wars of the Lord [Numbers 21:14]
3) Book of Jasher [Joshua 10:13]
4) The Manner of the Kingdom [1 Samuel 10:25]
5) Book of Samuel [1 Chronicles 29:29]
6) Book of Nathan [1 Chronicles 29:29]
7) Acts of Solomon [1 Kings 11:41]
8) Book of Shemaiah [2 Chronicles 12:15]
9) Prophecy of Ahijah [2 Chronicles 9:29]
10) Story of the Prophet Iddo [2 Chronicles 13:22]
11) Book of Jehu [2 Chronicles 20:34]
12) Sayings of the Seers [2 Chronicles 33:19]
13) Book of Enoch [Jude 1:14]
14) Book of Gad [1 Chronicles 29:29]
15) Book of the Annals of King David [1 Chronicles 27:24]
16) Nazarene Prophecy Source [Matthew 2:23]
17) Acts of Uziah [2 Chronicles 26:22]
18) Epistle to the Ephesians [Ephesians 3:3]
19) Epistle from Laodicea to the Colossians [Colossians 4:16]
Except some of the quotes from some of these are found in other books
of the Bible (which originally HAD NO NAMES), and others are never
claimed to have been "scripture."
If Jesus had quoted the Jerusalem Times Newspaper in a statement,
would that mean that the Jerusalem Times Newspaper then became a "lost
or missing book of the Bible?"
LOL!
But publishers make money pretending these things are "missing" and
you fell for it!
parakaleo
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