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24 May 2007 09:20:10 PM |
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Bug having WMDs bomb Darwin: revenge over ToE? |
That bug was a mere beetle. And more than likely it was a beetle known as the "Bombardier" beetle.
Yes, a bug released it's WMDs upon the father of evolutionary theory as if in a great act of
defiance against the theory of evolution itself.
"During Charles Darwin's education at the University of Cambridge he became involved in a national
craze for the competitive collecting of beetles. On one occasion in 1828 he stripped bark from a
dead tree and caught a rare beetle in each hand, then saw another new species. With the habits of an
egg-collector, he popped the beetle from his right hand into his mouth and grabbed the other with
his free hand. The beetle which he had placed in his mouth, likely a bombardier beetle, "ejected
some intensely acrid fluid, which burnt his tongue," forcing him to spit it out; he lost the beetle,
as well as the third one."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_beetle
See if in this brief description you see a "miracle" of evolution at work.....
"Bombardier beetles are remarkable creatures, truly deserving the attention they have received. They
earned their common name from their ability to defend themselves against predators by firing a
mixture of boiling-hot toxic chemicals from special glands in their posterior."
http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/bombardier.html
Darwin a "predator"? Hmmmm.
Here's a more technical description of what you may by now see as a "miracle" (or at least a mockery
of the ToE itself)....
"The Bombardier's defense consists of a complicated well designed system for storing, combining, and
firing its chemical mixture. (Some shaving cream dispensers use a similar method of producing hot
lather.) Two glands near the end of the Bombardier's abdomen store separated amounts of hydrogen
peroxide (an antiseptic) and hydroquinone (used for hydrogen peroxide (an antiseptic) and
hydroquinone (used for photographic developer). A sphincter muscle squeezes the fluid from the
glands into a type of firing chamber where other chemicals are mixed, at just the right instant,
causing pressure to build up. The result is bad news for anything messing with the Bombardier."
"The Bombardier can aim this hot (100 degree) substance with excellent accuracy and can repeat fire
dozens of times. Each shot sounds like a small pop-gun and also produces a puff of smoke with a vile
smell. Other nearby beetles will join in the firing."
http://www.insectman.us/articles/beetle.htm
All I can say is I'll bet Darwin felt lucky to have escaped before 2 or 3 of these WMD carrying
beetles surrounded him. OTOH perhaps that event enforced his thinking wrt "survival of the fittest".
Jd
Nehemiah 4:17 "They which builded on the wall, and they that bare burdens, with those that laded,
every one with one of his hands wrought in the work, and with the other hand held a weapon."
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| Title: Re: Bug having WMDs bomb Darwin: revenge over ToE? |
25 May 2007 10:12:26 AM |
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Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote :
That bug was a mere beetle. And more than likely it was a beetle known
as the "Bombardier" beetle. Yes, a bug released it's WMDs upon the
father of evolutionary theory as if in a great act of defiance against
the theory of evolution itself.
You're going to have the help me, Jd. I'm having difficulty seeing your
reasoning in your claim that the bombardier beetle causes some problems for
the theory of evolution. Could you perhaps explain for me?
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Midwinter
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| User: "Jd" |
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29 May 2007 06:51:33 PM |
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Midwinter wrote:
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote :
That bug was a mere beetle. And more than likely it was a beetle known
as the "Bombardier" beetle. Yes, a bug released it's WMDs upon the
father of evolutionary theory as if in a great act of defiance against
the theory of evolution itself.
You're going to have the help me, Jd. I'm having difficulty seeing your
reasoning in your claim that the bombardier beetle causes some problems for
the theory of evolution. Could you perhaps explain for me?
Nope. Looks like the subject has frightened every off since it makes Darwin look so bad.
And I don't blame them nor do I wish to rub there nose in poop. So I'll just forget about the
notion of Darwin carrying beetles around in his mouth and getting squirted with anal secretions from
that bad, bad beetle. At least for now.
Jd
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| User: "Midwinter" |
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30 May 2007 04:24:31 PM |
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Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote :
Nope. Looks like the subject has frightened every off [...]
'Every', that is, bar the two replies you didn't dare respond to.
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Midwinter
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| User: "Jd" |
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31 May 2007 08:55:57 PM |
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Midwinter wrote:
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote :
Nope. Looks like the subject has frightened every off [...]
'Every', that is, bar the two replies you didn't dare respond to.
It bares repeating. Spuerhero Darwin mouthing beetles and getting bombed.
"During Charles Darwin's education at the University of Cambridge he became involved in a national
craze for the competitive collecting of beetles. On one occasion in 1828 he stripped bark from a
dead tree and caught a rare beetle in each hand, then saw another new species. With the habits of an
egg-collector, he popped the beetle from his right hand into his mouth and grabbed the other with
his free hand. The beetle which he had placed in his mouth, likely a bombardier beetle, "ejected
some intensely acrid fluid, which burnt his tongue," forcing him to spit it out; he lost the beetle,
as well as the third one."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_beetle
ROF,LMAO! It's hillarious ain't it!
Jd
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| User: "Midwinter" |
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01 Jun 2007 03:37:51 AM |
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Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote :
ROF,LMAO! It's hillarious ain't it!
Hilarious or not, it's still of note that you've avoided answering the
question. This from the man (?) who tries to make big about *others* being
'frightened off'.
So that you can show us just how brave you are, Jd, I'll ask my question
again for you:
"I'm having difficulty seeing your reasoning in your claim that the
bombardier beetle causes some problems for the theory of evolution. Could
you perhaps explain for me?"
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Midwinter
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| User: "Jd" |
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02 Jun 2007 06:16:54 PM |
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Midwinter wrote:
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote :
ROF,LMAO! It's hillarious ain't it!
Hilarious or not, it's still of note that you've avoided answering the
question. This from the man (?) who tries to make big about *others* being
'frightened off'.
So that you can show us just how brave you are, Jd, I'll ask my question
again for you:
"I'm having difficulty seeing your reasoning in your claim that the
bombardier beetle causes some problems for the theory of evolution. Could
you perhaps explain for me?"
Sure. Just read the following description of just what is invoved in this beetles defense
mechanism...
"The mechanism works like this: Secretory cells produce hydroquinones and hydrogen peroxide (and
perhaps other chemicals, depending on the species), which collect in a reservoir. The reservoir
opens through a muscle-controlled valve onto a thick-walled reaction chamber. This chamber is lined
with cells that secrete catalases and peroxidases. When the contents of the reservoir are forced
into the reaction chamber, the catalases and peroxidases rapidly break down the hydrogen peroxide
and catalyze the oxidation of the hydroquinones into p-quinones. These reactions release free oxygen
and generate enough heat to bring the mixture to the boiling point and vaporize about a fifth of it.
Under pressure of the released gasses, the valve is forced closed, and the chemicals are expelled
explosively through openings at the tip of the abdomen. Each spray consists of 70 very rapid pulses,
causing a loud cracking sound similar to a bursting balloon. The spray can be aimed with precision
in any direction, including forward over its back. This is done by bouncing the spray off a pair of
skeletal reflectors stuck from the tip of its abdomen at the moment of ejection. This effectively
deters predators, often causing blindness or death, and can be painful to human skin."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_beetle
You also have "difficulty" with the following....
Genesis 1:24-25 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth the living creature after his kind, cattle,
and creeping thing, and beast of the earth after his kind": and it was so. And God made the beast of
the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing that creepeth upon the earth
after his kind: and God saw that it was good.
..... am I correct?
Jd
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| User: "Midwinter" |
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03 Jun 2007 04:51:27 AM |
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Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote :
Sure. Just read the following description of just what is invoved in
this beetles defense mechanism...
Yes, that's pretty much what Dave said, too. Words to the effect of
"look at this description - evolution is disproved".
Unfortunately neither he nor you have bothered to explain what it is
about this description or this creature that you think should give
evolutionary theory any trouble.
You also have "difficulty" with the following....
Genesis 1:24-25 And God said, "Let the earth bring forth the
living creature after his kind, cattle, and creeping thing, and beast
of the earth after his kind": and it was so. And God made the beast of
the earth after his kind, and cattle after their kind, and every thing
that creepeth upon the earth after his kind: and God saw that it was
good.
.... am I correct?
Actually, no. See those words "let the earth bring forth"? Well, it
did. And evolution, Jd, is how it did it. Did God design and drive
evolution? Maybe so. After all, He's omnipotent, so He can use whatever
means of creation He likes.
What gives me trouble is why so many who profess to worship this
*omnipotent* being fervently believe that He's limited to the abilities
and activities ascribed to Him by some long-dead human who didn't have
the time or the means to look at how the world really works.
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Midwinter
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| User: "Jd" |
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08 Jun 2007 07:02:57 PM |
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Midwinter wrote:
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote :
Sure. Just read the following description of just what is invoved in
this beetles defense mechanism...
Yes, that's pretty much what Dave said, too. Words to the effect of
"look at this description - evolution is disproved".
Unfortunately neither he nor you have bothered to explain what it is
about this description or this creature that you think should give
evolutionary theory any trouble.
That little beetle gave the father of evolution himself, Charles Darwin a great deal of trouble....
"With the habits of an egg-collector, he popped the beetle from his right hand into his mouth and
grabbed the other with his free hand. The beetle which he had placed in his mouth, likely a
bombardier beetle, "ejected some intensely acrid fluid, which burnt [his] tongue," forcing him to
spit it out; he lost the beetle, as well as the third one."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_beetle
I think it's hillarious! That's why I started this thread to begin with. Don't you think if Darwin
had been listening to that inner voice he would've forsaken evolutionary delusions of grandeur at
that moment?
But no.... he was after fame and fortune.
"During Charles Darwin's education at the University of Cambridge he became involved in a national
craze for the competitive collecting of beetles. "
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombardier_beetle
Furthermore... evolution is as you said, a "theory". And the little bug sorta mocks your "theory".
As I said before, it's agood thing Darwin wasn't surrounded by 4 or 5 of those bugs 'cause he
might've perished.
"The Bombardier can aim this hot (100 degree) substance with excellent accuracy and can repeat fire
dozens of times. Each shot sounds like a small pop-gun and also produces a puff of smoke with a vile
smell. Other nearby beetles will join in the firing."
http://www.insectman.us/articles/beetle.htm
Now what are the odds of "evolution" coming up with something like that? Zilcho.
The odds are better for a tornado going through a junk yard and assembling a brand new auto from
scrap parts.
And what's obviously stupid is how you guys say "disprove evolution, betcha can't".
Jd
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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08 Jun 2007 09:42:45 PM |
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 00:02:57 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Midwinter wrote:
Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote :
Sure. Just read the following description of just what is invoved in
this beetles defense mechanism...
Yes, that's pretty much what Dave said, too. Words to the effect of
"look at this description - evolution is disproved".
Unfortunately neither he nor you have bothered to explain what it is
about this description or this creature that you think should give
evolutionary theory any trouble.
That little beetle gave the father of evolution himself, Charles Darwin a great deal of trouble....
"With the habits of an egg-collector, he popped the beetle from his right hand into his mouth and
grabbed the other with his free hand. The beetle which he had placed in his mouth, likely a
bombardier beetle, "ejected some intensely acrid fluid, which burnt [his] tongue," forcing him to
spit it out; he lost the beetle, as well as the third one."
But no problem for any theory, or for evolution.
Now what are the odds of "evolution" coming up with something like that?
The odds that something that exists will exist are 1. Simple math.
The odds are better for a tornado going through a junk yard and assembling a brand new auto from
scrap parts.
The odds are better than the odds that you'll manage to learn
something before you die.
And what's obviously stupid is how you guys say "disprove evolution, betcha can't".
And you haven't yet. It's difficult to "disprove" reality.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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03 Jun 2007 10:01:22 AM |
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On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 04:51:27 -0500, Midwinter
<midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk> claimed:
Actually, no. See those words "let the earth bring forth"? Well, it
did. And evolution, Jd, is how it did it. Did God design and drive
evolution? Maybe so. After all, He's omnipotent, so He can use whatever
means of creation He likes.
If that is true, then Christ is not Lord and no Savior.
If evolution is true, then there is no original sin.
There would be more than one man and man
would simply be acting the way God designed
him to, using evolution. Thus, God would be
condemning man as a whole for no reason.
Furthermore, the Bible says that death came by sin
ad sin came by Adam. If there is no original sin,
then there can be no Savior to save us from it
and that leaves Christ out as Savior.
You cannot claim to believe as a Christian and
reject what caused Christ to be necessary as a
Savior. It is a ridiculous idea to try to do so!
The Bible speaks of "the first Adam" and speaks
of him as a real person and tells us that Christ
is "the last Adam".
The bottom line here, is that as I said, if evolution
is true, then there can be no original sin and no
Savior and our faith is in vain.
So no, it is not about just making a myth out of
Genesis and yet, we still get to believe in Christ.
Undermine the beginning and you knock out
the foundation from under the building! (:
As one atheist said...
"Evolution destroys utterly and finally the very reason
Jesus' earthly life was supposedly made necessary.
Destroy Adam and Eve and the original sin and in the
rubble, you will find the sorry remains of the Son of
God. If Jesus was not the Redeemer... and this is what
evolution means, then Christianity is nothing."
- Richard Bozarth, Atheist
What gives me trouble is why so many who profess to worship this
*omnipotent* being fervently believe that He's limited to the abilities
and activities ascribed to Him
It is you who limits Him! It takes a lot more Majesty
to create it in six days!
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Pastor Dave
Doctrine is not Scripture.
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| User: "James Powell" |
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03 Jun 2007 01:05:01 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:0ul563p5b3h39kipg1ibc25tfeq4facb6h@4ax.com...
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 04:51:27 -0500, Midwinter
<midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk> claimed:
Actually, no. See those words "let the earth bring forth"? Well, it
did. And evolution, Jd, is how it did it. Did God design and drive
evolution? Maybe so. After all, He's omnipotent, so He can use whatever
means of creation He likes.
If that is true, then Christ is not Lord and no Savior.
That is your personal problem. Many Christians have no problem with the
concept of 'directed evolution'. Are you more 'Christian' than they are?
If evolution is true, then there is no original sin.
There would be more than one man and man
would simply be acting the way God designed
him to, using evolution. Thus, God would be
condemning man as a whole for no reason.
Considering the concept of 'original sin' is part of Christianity and has no
standing in the real world, your argument is useless.
James Powell
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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03 Jun 2007 01:17:15 PM |
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On Sun, 3 Jun 2007 14:05:01 -0400, in alt.atheism
"James Powell" <someone@anywhere.com> wrote in
<1cadne65D8ZUn_7bnZ2dnUVZ_vShnZ2d@wideopenwest.com>:
"Pastor Dave" <noway@nowhere.com> wrote in message
news:0ul563p5b3h39kipg1ibc25tfeq4facb6h@4ax.com...
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 04:51:27 -0500, Midwinter
<midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk> claimed:
Actually, no. See those words "let the earth bring forth"? Well, it
did. And evolution, Jd, is how it did it. Did God design and drive
evolution? Maybe so. After all, He's omnipotent, so He can use whatever
means of creation He likes.
If that is true, then Christ is not Lord and no Savior.
That is your personal problem. Many Christians have no problem with the
concept of 'directed evolution'. Are you more 'Christian' than they are?
Pastor Dave thinks that his understanding of God is perfect and that he
cannot make a single error. The fact that some of his doctrines are
contrary to physical evidence or the vast majority of Christian doctrine
does not affect his opinion of himself.
If evolution is true, then there is no original sin.
There would be more than one man and man
would simply be acting the way God designed
him to, using evolution. Thus, God would be
condemning man as a whole for no reason.
Considering the concept of 'original sin' is part of Christianity and has no
standing in the real world, your argument is useless.
But being wrong never bothered Pastor Dave in the past. He doesn't care
that his logic would get a failing grade in a high school critical
thinking class.
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| User: "Midwinter" |
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04 Jun 2007 10:05:07 AM |
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Pastor Dave <noway@nowhere.com> wrote :
There would be more than one man and man
would simply be acting the way God designed
him to, using evolution. Thus, God would be
condemning man as a whole for no reason.
Rather than condemning man for acting as God created him?
Sorry, I'm not sure I see much difference. Either way, man's nature is
not his own doing. It's either down to evolution (and possibly God), or
God.
Furthermore, the Bible says that death came by sin
ad sin came by Adam. If there is no original sin,
then there can be no Savior to save us from it
and that leaves Christ out as Savior.
Christ's teachings have whatever value the reader finds in them. That's
as true with evolution as without it.
"Evolution destroys utterly and finally the very reason
Jesus' earthly life was supposedly made necessary.
Nobody's earthly life is *necessary*. But some make important
contributions.
It is you who limits Him! It takes a lot more Majesty
to create it in six days!
Oh? On what standardised Majesty Scale do you measure this?
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Midwinter
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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03 Jun 2007 01:59:02 PM |
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Pastor Dave <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 04:51:27 -0500, Midwinter
<midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk> claimed:
Actually, no. See those words "let the earth bring forth"? Well, it
did. And evolution, Jd, is how it did it. Did God design and drive
evolution? Maybe so. After all, He's omnipotent, so He can use whatever
means of creation He likes.
If that is true, then Christ is not Lord and no Savior.
That does not follow.
If evolution is true, then there is no original sin.
Why not? You don't conceive of the possibility that the first humans
to conceive of the idea of God, could not also conceive of the idea of
disobeying God in their own interests?
There would be more than one man
Why does that matter?
and man
would simply be acting the way God designed
him to, using evolution.
That argument can be used against the Biblical view as well, given
that God must have "designed" Adam and Eve, and for that matter must
have "designed" Satan as well.
Thus, God would be condemning man as a whole for no reason.
That argument can be used against the Biblical view as well.
Furthermore, the Bible says that death came by sin
ad sin came by Adam.
Since animals die and do not sin, death does not come by sin.
Obviously you are misinterpreting the Bible.
If there is no original sin, then there can be no Savior to save us from it
and that leaves Christ out as Savior.
We don't need original sin in order to need Jesus. Each of us sins
plenty in our lives.
You cannot claim to believe as a Christian and
reject what caused Christ to be necessary as a
Savior.
Of course you can. All you have to do is believe that Christ IS your
Savior. You don't need to know or believe ANYTHING about "why".
Millions and millions who lived in medieval times and who couldn't
read scriptures (because they couldn't read in the first place and
because Scriptures were only in Greek and Latin and Hebrew anyway)
were still Christians.
It is a ridiculous idea to try to do so!
It is a ridiculous idea to put limits on what God can do.
The Bible speaks of "the first Adam" and speaks
of him as a real person and tells us that Christ
is "the last Adam".
So? Even under the theory of evolution, there was at one point some
first "human being".
And it totally ignores the fact that the Bible, like most religious
mythology, is mostly "parable"
The bottom line here, is that as I said, if evolution
is true, then there can be no original sin and no
Savior and our faith is in vain.
It sounds like you have too little faith. I accept evolution and have
no trouble accepting Christ as my Savior. You are too insistent that
God follow your rules, and fit within your personal interpretation of
the Scriptures to have REAL faith
So no, it is not about just making a myth out of
Genesis and yet, we still get to believe in Christ.
Why can't you still believe in Christ? Who is stopping you?
Only your own lack of faith.
Undermine the beginning and you knock out
the foundation from under the building! (:
Sorry, but GOD is the foundation, not the Bible. Christianity was
just as true before the Catholic fathers decided on canonicity and
assembled the scriptures into the Bible. It was just as true for
those who couldn't read the Bible.
As one atheist said...
"Evolution destroys utterly and finally the very reason
Jesus' earthly life was supposedly made necessary.
That atheist doesn't understand any better than you do.
What gives me trouble is why so many who profess to worship this
*omnipotent* being fervently believe that He's limited to the abilities
and activities ascribed to Him
It is you who limits Him! It takes a lot more Majesty
to create it in six days!
No it doesn't. It takes exactly the same Majesty to create the
universe in a split second "Big Bang" as to take 6 days, 6 years, or 6
billion years. After all, God is timeless - a split second is the
same as 6 billion years to Him.
Creating the world in "6 days" is merely a tale that is more
comprehensible to YOU, a weak-minded homo sapiens than a version that
takes infinitesimally little time, or a time so large that we cannot
really comprehend it. Your insistence on a literal Bible is merely
requiring God to confine Himself to that which the words of man (and
indeed the words of man 2000 years ago) are capable of describing and
being understood by man. God does NOT have to limit Himself to our
puny capabilities to understand. And there is no reason to believe
that He would.
lojbab
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| User: "Jd" |
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08 Jun 2007 07:02:58 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Pastor Dave <noway@nowhere.com> wrote:
On Sun, 03 Jun 2007 04:51:27 -0500, Midwinter
<midwinter_m@hotmail.co.uk> claimed:
Actually, no. See those words "let the earth bring forth"? Well, it
did. And evolution, Jd, is how it did it. Did God design and drive
evolution? Maybe so. After all, He's omnipotent, so He can use whatever
means of creation He likes.
If that is true, then Christ is not Lord and no Savior.
That does not follow.
If evolution is true, then there is no original sin.
Why not? You don't conceive of the possibility that the first humans
to conceive of the idea of God, could not also conceive of the idea of
disobeying God in their own interests?
Bob, the first humans were created perfect in the image of God. An evolved ape-man would've been
imperfect before he\it ever sinned.
And Dave is exactly right. Jesus could've not come from an imperfect ape and been the perfect
sacrifice to take away the sins of the world.
It's obvious that you guys know less about Christian doctrine than you do evolutionary theory. And
that wouldn't be so bad were it not for the fact that you're here in public making yourselves look
bad.
Jd
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| User: "Bob LeChevalier" |
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08 Jun 2007 10:38:44 PM |
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Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Bob, the first humans were created perfect in the image of God.
Per another thread, does that mean that God has a penis, or does he
have a vagina, or both? Or was the first humans without genitalia?
An evolved ape-man would've been imperfect before he\it ever sinned.
A nonsensical statement. Nothing in the real world is perfect.
And Dave is exactly right. Jesus could've not come from an imperfect ape and been the perfect
sacrifice to take away the sins of the world.
Of course He could. Do you deny God that power?
It's obvious that you guys know less about Christian doctrine
We could care less about your perversion of Christian doctrine.
lojbab
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| User: "Jd" |
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14 Jun 2007 08:43:40 PM |
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Per another thread, does that mean that God has a penis, or does he
have a vagina, or both?
No comment necessary.
Jd
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14 Jun 2007 09:54:43 PM |
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"Jd" <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in message
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Per another thread, does that mean that God has a penis, or does he
have a vagina, or both?
No comment necessary.
Jd
In other words, he doesn't know. Didn't Moses see the
Big Guy's tuchis, since seeing his face would kill him?
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18 Jun 2007 05:04:42 PM |
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Michelle Malkin wrote:
"Jd" <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in message
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Per another thread, does that mean that God has a penis, or does he
have a vagina, or both?
No comment necessary.
Jd
In other words, he doesn't know. Didn't Moses see the
Big Guy's tuchis, since seeing his face would kill him?
Did you read that for yourself or did someone tell you that?
just curious,
Jd
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18 Jun 2007 08:35:20 PM |
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"Jd" <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in message
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Michelle Malkin wrote:
"Jd" <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in message
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Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Per another thread, does that mean that God has a penis, or does he
have a vagina, or both?
No comment necessary.
Jd
In other words, he doesn't know. Didn't Moses see the
Big Guy's tuchis, since seeing his face would kill him?
Did you read that for yourself or did someone tell you that?
It's in the Bible. Haven't you read it? Tsk.
Exodus 33:17 The Lord said to Moses, "I will do
the very thing you have asked; for you have found
favor in my sight, and I know you by name."
18 Moses said, "Show me your glory, I pray."
19 And he said, "I will make all goodness pass
before you , and will proclaim before you the name,
'The Lord'; and I will be gracious to whom I will be
gracious and will show mercy to whom I will show
mercy. 20 But," he said, "you cannot see my face,
for no one shall see me and live." 21 And the Lord
continued, "See, there is a place by me where you
shall stand on the rock; 22 and while my glory
passes by I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and
I will cover you with my hand until I have passed
by; 23 then I will take away my hand and you shall
see my back; but my face shall not be seen."
In the next verse, this so-called god says that he
will visit the iniquity of the parents upon the
children to the third and fourth generation. This
is after blaming all future generations for a couple
of innocents eating a piece of fruit. And, since this
god supposedly knows all that will happen, what
happens to Adam and Eve is obviously a setup.
This is from the New Revised Standard Version
of your Book 'O Blood. This monster is your 'god'.
You keep it.
just curious,
I'll bet.
Jd
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28 Jun 2007 05:34:59 PM |
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Michelle Malkin wrote:
"Jd" <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in message
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Michelle Malkin wrote:
"Jd" <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote in message
news:hs2473l4a34r2tbml4ka99u1dkn73lot60@4ax.com...
Bob LeChevalier wrote:
Per another thread, does that mean that God has a penis, or does he
have a vagina, or both?
No comment necessary.
Jd
In other words, he doesn't know. Didn't Moses see the
Big Guy's tuchis, since seeing his face would kill him?
Did you read that for yourself or did someone tell you that?
It's in the Bible. Haven't you read it? Tsk.
Exodus 33:17 The Lord said to Moses, "I will do
the very thing you have asked; for you have found
favor in my sight, and I know you by name."
18 Moses said, "Show me your glory, I pray."
19 And he said, "I will make all goodness pass
before you , and will proclaim before you the name,
'The Lord'; and I will be gracious to whom I will be
gracious and will show mercy to whom I will show
mercy. 20 But," he said, "you cannot see my face,
for no one shall see me and live." 21 And the Lord
continued, "See, there is a place by me where you
shall stand on the rock; 22 and while my glory
passes by I will put you in a cleft of the rock, and
I will cover you with my hand until I have passed
by; 23 then I will take away my hand and you shall
see my back; but my face shall not be seen."
In the next verse, this so-called god says that he
will visit the iniquity of the parents upon the
children to the third and fourth generation. This
is after blaming all future generations for a couple
of innocents eating a piece of fruit. And, since this
god supposedly knows all that will happen, what
happens to Adam and Eve is obviously a setup.
This is from the New Revised Standard Version
of your Book 'O Blood. This monster is your 'god'.
You keep it.
just curious,
I'll bet.
Right. You are indeed betting. Betting that there is no God. It's a "bet" since you can't prove it.
Jd
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| User: "Al Klein" |
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28 Jun 2007 08:32:21 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:34:59 GMT, Jd <ZionsFire@att.net> wrote:
Right. You are indeed betting. Betting that there is no God. It's a "bet" since you can't prove it.
You're betting that the ruler of the universe is YOUR god. And you
can't prove that either. Until you die, by which time it'll be too
late.
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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08 Jun 2007 08:18:39 PM |
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On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 00:02:58 GMT there was an Ancient Jd
<ZionsFire@att.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Bob, the first humans were created perfect in the image of God. An evolved ape-man would've been
imperfect before he\it ever sinned.
We are imperfect. Our feet aren't quite right for walking on level
ground, we grow extra teeth that don't fit in the jaw, we have throats
that are devastatingly easy to block, killing the person.
Speaking of teeth... why don't we regrow them like many animals? In a
primitive culture losing your teeth can be a death sentence as you
lose the ability to properly chew. Our teeth wear out, why not regrow
them?
And you and I have nipples. Why? A well-designed male would not
include nipples, since they serve no purpose and only exist to get
irritated and injured.
Then there's the digestive tract... amazingly inefficient! We use an
extremely small percentage of what we eat. A better designed tract
would allow us to get by on less food, making it easier to feed the
world in a way that doesn't destroy biospheres.
Hmmm... I'm on a roll here. I'd add a second heart around the hips to
lower the work load on the main heart. Give the lungs a way to clean
themselves. Change the legs *completely*. Give us legs like a cat's,
with a better digitgrade stance and thick pads.
See all sorts of things we can improve. Your deity is a pretty lousy
designer.
And Dave is exactly right. Jesus could've not come from an imperfect ape and been the perfect
sacrifice to take away the sins of the world.
It's obvious that you guys know less about Christian doctrine than you do evolutionary theory. And
that wouldn't be so bad were it not for the fact that you're here in public making yourselves look
bad.
JD, you are the only one making yourself look like a Bronze Age
ignoramus.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Jd" |
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14 Jun 2007 08:43:40 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 00:02:58 GMT there was an Ancient Jd
<ZionsFire@att.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Bob, the first humans were created perfect in the image of God. An evolved ape-man would've been
imperfect before he\it ever sinned.
We are imperfect. Our feet aren't quite right for walking on level
ground, we grow extra teeth that don't fit in the jaw, we have throats
that are devastatingly easy to block, killing the person.
Speaking of teeth... why don't we regrow them like many animals? In a
primitive culture losing your teeth can be a death sentence as you
lose the ability to properly chew. Our teeth wear out, why not regrow
them?
And you and I have nipples. Why? A well-designed male would not
include nipples, since they serve no purpose and only exist to get
irritated and injured.
Then there's the digestive tract... amazingly inefficient! We use an
extremely small percentage of what we eat. A better designed tract
would allow us to get by on less food, making it easier to feed the
world in a way that doesn't destroy biospheres.
Hmmm... I'm on a roll here. I'd add a second heart around the hips to
lower the work load on the main heart. Give the lungs a way to clean
themselves. Change the legs *completely*. Give us legs like a cat's,
with a better digitgrade stance and thick pads.
See all sorts of things we can improve. Your deity is a pretty lousy
designer.
And Dave is exactly right. Jesus could've not come from an imperfect ape and been the perfect
sacrifice to take away the sins of the world.
It's obvious that you guys know less about Christian doctrine than you do evolutionary theory. And
that wouldn't be so bad were it not for the fact that you're here in public making yourselves look
bad.
JD, you are the only one making yourself look like a Bronze Age
ignoramus.
It's called "rope a dope". And after I get through with the other 5 I'm whooping simultaneously,
I'll explain a few things a little slower so you can understand.
Jd
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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15 Jun 2007 10:57:51 PM |
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On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:43:40 GMT there was an Ancient Jd
<ZionsFire@att.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 00:02:58 GMT there was an Ancient Jd
<ZionsFire@att.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Bob, the first humans were created perfect in the image of God. An evolved ape-man would've been
imperfect before he\it ever sinned.
We are imperfect. Our feet aren't quite right for walking on level
ground, we grow extra teeth that don't fit in the jaw, we have throats
that are devastatingly easy to block, killing the person.
Speaking of teeth... why don't we regrow them like many animals? In a
primitive culture losing your teeth can be a death sentence as you
lose the ability to properly chew. Our teeth wear out, why not regrow
them?
And you and I have nipples. Why? A well-designed male would not
include nipples, since they serve no purpose and only exist to get
irritated and injured.
Then there's the digestive tract... amazingly inefficient! We use an
extremely small percentage of what we eat. A better designed tract
would allow us to get by on less food, making it easier to feed the
world in a way that doesn't destroy biospheres.
Hmmm... I'm on a roll here. I'd add a second heart around the hips to
lower the work load on the main heart. Give the lungs a way to clean
themselves. Change the legs *completely*. Give us legs like a cat's,
with a better digitgrade stance and thick pads.
See all sorts of things we can improve. Your deity is a pretty lousy
designer.
It's obvious that you guys know less about Christian doctrine than you do evolutionary theory. And
that wouldn't be so bad were it not for the fact that you're here in public making yourselves look
bad.
JD, you are the only one making yourself look like a Bronze Age
ignoramus.
It's called "rope a dope". And after I get through with the other 5 I'm whooping simultaneously,
I'll explain a few things a little slower so you can understand.
You're not "whooping" anyone. I'm amused that you cannot come up with
any reply to my list of obvious inefficiancies and suggestions for
improvement in the human body even after mulling it over for five
days.
We're not perfect. What we are Homo sapiens, an evolved primate that
became intelligent enough to manipulate the environment on a grand
scale.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Jd" |
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28 Jun 2007 05:35:00 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
On Fri, 15 Jun 2007 01:43:40 GMT there was an Ancient Jd
<ZionsFire@att.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry wrote:
On Sat, 09 Jun 2007 00:02:58 GMT there was an Ancient Jd
<ZionsFire@att.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Bob, the first humans were created perfect in the image of God. An evolved ape-man would've been
imperfect before he\it ever sinned.
We are imperfect. Our feet aren't quite right for walking on level
ground, we grow extra teeth that don't fit in the jaw, we have throats
that are devastatingly easy to block, killing the person.
Speaking of teeth... why don't we regrow them like many animals? In a
primitive culture losing your teeth can be a death sentence as you
lose the ability to properly chew. Our teeth wear out, why not regrow
them?
And you and I have nipples. Why? A well-designed male would not
include nipples, since they serve no purpose and only exist to get
irritated and injured.
Then there's the digestive tract... amazingly inefficient! We use an
extremely small percentage of what we eat. A better designed tract
would allow us to get by on less food, making it easier to feed the
world in a way that doesn't destroy biospheres.
Hmmm... I'm on a roll here. I'd add a second heart around the hips to
lower the work load on the main heart. Give the lungs a way to clean
themselves. Change the legs *completely*. Give us legs like a cat's,
with a better digitgrade stance and thick pads.
See all sorts of things we can improve. Your deity is a pretty lousy
designer.
It's obvious that you guys know less about Christian doctrine than you do evolutionary theory. And
that wouldn't be so bad were it not for the fact that you're here in public making yourselves look
bad.
JD, you are the only one making yourself look like a Bronze Age
ignoramus.
It's called "rope a dope". And after I get through with the other 5 I'm whooping simultaneously,
I'll explain a few things a little slower so you can understand.
You're not "whooping" anyone. I'm amused that you cannot come up with
any reply to my list of obvious inefficiancies and suggestions for
improvement in the human body even after mulling it over for five
days.
We're not perfect. What we are Homo sapiens, an evolved primate that
became intelligent enough to manipulate the environment on a grand
scale.
I happen to disagree due to the fact that it's impossible for an evolved primate to have evolved to
the point where it could raise itself from the dead, which is what it would have to do if there were
no God.
Matthew 28:5-6 And the angel answered and said unto the women, "Fear not ye: for I know that ye
seek Jesus, which was crucified. He is not here: for he is risen, as he said".
Jd
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| User: "Douglas Berry" |
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28 Jun 2007 06:17:59 PM |
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On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:35:00 GMT there was an Ancient Jd
<ZionsFire@att.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry wrote:
You're not "whooping" anyone. I'm amused that you cannot come up with
any reply to my list of obvious inefficiancies and suggestions for
improvement in the human body even after mulling it over for five
days.
We're not perfect. What we are Homo sapiens, an evolved primate that
became intelligent enough to manipulate the environment on a grand
scale.
I happen to disagree due to the fact that it's impossible for an evolved primate to have evolved to
the point where it could raise itself from the dead, which is what it would have to do if there were
no God.
There are animals that do infact enter states of suspended animation
for long periods, even decades. Practitioners of biofeedback can
reduce their biological finctions to the point where casual
examination would conclude that the persojn had died, and bring
themselves back.
Matthew 28:5-6 And the angel answered and said unto the women, "Fear not ye: for I know that ye
seek Jesus, which was crucified. He is not here: for he is risen, as he said".
There is no hard evidence that has happened. None at all.
Anyway, science has reached a point where we can bring people back
from what was once considered dead. Happened to me, as a matter of
fact. Heart stopped during an operation for close to 90 seconds. No
pulse, no respiration, the traditional indications of death. Without
prompt intervention, I would have died.
--
Douglas Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
Jason Gastrich is praying for me on 8 January 2011
"The most beautiful thing we can experience is the mysterious. It is the
source of all true art and all science. He to whom this emotion is a
stranger, who can no longer pause to wonder and stand rapt in awe, is as
good as dead: his eyes are closed." - Albert Einstein
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| User: "Jd" |
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30 Jun 2007 09:36:09 PM |
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Douglas Berry wrote:
On Thu, 28 Jun 2007 22:35:00 GMT there was an Ancient Jd
<ZionsFire@att.net> who stoppeth one in alt.atheism
Douglas Berry wrote:
You're not "whooping" anyone. I'm amused that you cannot come up with
any reply to my list of obvious inefficiancies and suggestions for
improvement in the human body even after mulling it over for five
days.
We're not perfect. What we are Homo sapiens, an evolved primate that
became intelligent enough to manipulate the environment on a grand
scale.
I happen to disagree due to the fact that it's impossible for an evolved primate to have evolved to
the point where it could raise itself from the dead, which is what it would have to do if there were
no God.
There are animals that do infact enter states of suspended animation
for long periods, even decades. Practitioners of biofeedback can
reduce their biological finctions to the point where casual
examination would conclude that the persojn had died, and bring
themselves back.
Matthew 28:5-6 And the angel answered and said unto the women, "Fear not ye: for I know that ye
seek Jesus, which was crucified. He is not here: for he is risen, as he said".
There is no hard evidence that has happened. None at all.
Anyway, science has reached a point where we can bring people back
from what was once considered dead. Happened to me, as a matter of
fact. Heart stopped during an operation for close to 90 seconds. No
pulse, no respiration, the traditional indications of death. Without
prompt intervention, I would have died.
That's nothing. There's another guy here who survived cancer. And there's another guy here who
was forgiven of all of his sins and who has talked with God. Me.
Jd
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01 Jul 2007 02:53:32 PM |
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Jd wrote:
That's nothing. There's another guy here who survived cancer. And
there's another guy here who was forgiven of all of his sins and who
has talked with God. Me.
No. The real god told me that most of your sins were forgiven and that you
only talked with one of the angels who has a voice close enough to god's to
fool mortals.
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| User: "Jd" |
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20 Jul 2007 07:59:16 PM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
Jd wrote:
That's nothing. There's another guy here who survived cancer. And
there's another guy here who was forgiven of all of his sins and who
has talked with God. Me.
No. The real god told me that most of your sins were forgiven and that you
only talked with one of the angels who has a voice close enough to god's to
fool mortals.
Well, that's partly true. Nevertheless meeting the angel of the Lord is altogether a sobering
experience.
I suspect you have quite a problem reconciling your OT and NT view of God, as do many folks.
So just let it go for a while and save your reputation (if you have one).
Jd
"And I appeared unto Abraham, unto Isaac, and unto Jacob, by the name of God Almighty, but by my
name JEHOVAH was I not known to them." (Exodus 6:3)
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