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User:	"David W. Barnes"
Date:	01 May 2004 06:30:39 PM
Object:	Bush Needs To Go

At what point do we accept the fact that Bush has totally botched this
"war" he claims was so damn important? Do we really have to have EVERY
country in the world hate us?
At least in Japan, when a leader screws up as bad as Bush has, he has
the dignity to step down. Bush goes on vacation.
Bush needs to accept responsibility for his actions. This latest screw
up is reprehensible. We are clearly in far more danger of terrorist
attacks than ever. Bush has taken a country were a few people hated us
and turned it into a country where most hate us.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/01/iraq.prisoner.reax/index.html
.

User: "No One"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	01 May 2004 06:53:39 PM

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

Yeah, and that's with the Japanese getting soft. :-) It wasn't
that long ago when a Samurai who screwed up "stepped down" by
means of a rather painful ritual known as seppuku. See
<http://www.samurai-archives.com/cultcat.html>, and in particular:
By the Edo Period, the act of seppuku had become a fully
developed ritual with Shinto undertones.
First, tatami edged with white would be set out, upon
which a large white cushion was placed. Witnesses would
arrange themselves discreetly to one side, depending on how
important the coming suicide was considered.
The samurai, often garbed in a white kimono, would kneel
on the pillow in formal style on his heels, hopefully in a
composed manner. Just over a meter behind and to the left of
the samurai knelt his kaishakunin, or 'second'. The second was
often a close friend of the deceased, although his duty was
not a popular one. His job was to prevent the samurai
committing suicide from experiencing undo suffering by cutting
the doomed man's head off once he had slit his belly. Botching
this duty could be a shameful disgrace, and a steady hand was
required. In front of the samurai lay a knife on a lacquered
tray. When he felt ready, the samurai would loosen the folds
of his kimono and expose his belly. He would then lift the
knife with one hand and unsheathe it with the other, setting
the sheathe to one side. When he had prepared himself, he
would drive the knife into the left side of the stomach, then
draw it across to the right. The blade would then be turned in
the wound and brought upward. Many samurai did not have to
endure this last, unbelievable agony, as the second would lop
their heads off at the first sign of pain. The cut carried out
to its finish was known as the jumonji, or 'crosswise cut',
and to perform it in its entirety was considered a
particularly impressive seppuku.
Needless to say, one's frame of mind was of particular
importance when approaching this act. The Hagakure and other
Edo works relate stories of samurai losing their composure
just prior to committing suicide, and in some cases having to
be forcibly decapitated. Samurai were, after all, only human,
and perhaps only through a lifetime of preparation could
seppuku be faced with the prerequisite coolness.
By these standards, Bush better not try to run on a "character"
platform this time around!
.

User: "David W. Barnes"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	01 May 2004 07:23:09 PM

In article <m3k6zvhfk1.fsf@nospam.pacbell.net>, No One
<noone@nospam.pacbell.net> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

Yeah, and that's with the Japanese getting soft. :-) It wasn't
that long ago when a Samurai who screwed up "stepped down" by
means of a rather painful ritual known as seppuku. See
<http://www.samurai-archives.com/cultcat.html>, and in particular:

By the Edo Period, the act of seppuku had become a fully
developed ritual with Shinto undertones.

First, tatami edged with white would be set out, upon
which a large white cushion was placed. Witnesses would
arrange themselves discreetly to one side, depending on how
important the coming suicide was considered.

The samurai, often garbed in a white kimono, would kneel
on the pillow in formal style on his heels, hopefully in a
composed manner. Just over a meter behind and to the left of
the samurai knelt his kaishakunin, or 'second'. The second was
often a close friend of the deceased, although his duty was
not a popular one. His job was to prevent the samurai
committing suicide from experiencing undo suffering by cutting
the doomed man's head off once he had slit his belly. Botching
this duty could be a shameful disgrace, and a steady hand was
required. In front of the samurai lay a knife on a lacquered
tray. When he felt ready, the samurai would loosen the folds
of his kimono and expose his belly. He would then lift the
knife with one hand and unsheathe it with the other, setting
the sheathe to one side. When he had prepared himself, he
would drive the knife into the left side of the stomach, then
draw it across to the right. The blade would then be turned in
the wound and brought upward. Many samurai did not have to
endure this last, unbelievable agony, as the second would lop
their heads off at the first sign of pain. The cut carried out
to its finish was known as the jumonji, or 'crosswise cut',
and to perform it in its entirety was considered a
particularly impressive seppuku.

Needless to say, one's frame of mind was of particular
importance when approaching this act. The Hagakure and other
Edo works relate stories of samurai losing their composure
just prior to committing suicide, and in some cases having to
be forcibly decapitated. Samurai were, after all, only human,
and perhaps only through a lifetime of preparation could
seppuku be faced with the prerequisite coolness.

By these standards, Bush better not try to run on a "character"
platform this time around!

Good point. Maybe he can run on the "I'll do better next time"
platform.
.

User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	01 May 2004 08:34:10 PM

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

At what point do we accept the fact that Bush has totally botched this
"war" he claims was so damn important? Do we really have to have EVERY
country in the world hate us?
At least in Japan, when a leader screws up as bad as Bush has, he has
the dignity to step down. Bush goes on vacation.
Bush needs to accept responsibility for his actions. This latest screw
up is reprehensible. We are clearly in far more danger of terrorist
attacks than ever. Bush has taken a country were a few people hated us
and turned it into a country where most hate us.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/01/iraq.prisoner.reax/index.html

All I can say is, at least Dale and I didn't vote for him when he was begging
us to vote for him as governor -- while he was promising that he wouldn't use
the office to run for President. Guess whose Presidential campaign office
opened up January 2, 1999?
The Constitution isn't perfect, but it's one hell of a lot better than what
we've got now. Cut Bush in November.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
.

User: "David W. Barnes"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	01 May 2004 08:44:52 PM

In article <szkzn8rzk6l.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

At what point do we accept the fact that Bush has totally botched this
"war" he claims was so damn important? Do we really have to have EVERY
country in the world hate us?

At least in Japan, when a leader screws up as bad as Bush has, he has
the dignity to step down. Bush goes on vacation.

Bush needs to accept responsibility for his actions. This latest screw
up is reprehensible. We are clearly in far more danger of terrorist
attacks than ever. Bush has taken a country were a few people hated us
and turned it into a country where most hate us.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/01/iraq.prisoner.reax/index.html

All I can say is, at least Dale and I didn't vote for him when he was begging
us to vote for him as governor -- while he was promising that he wouldn't use
the office to run for President. Guess whose Presidential campaign office
opened up January 2, 1999?

The Constitution isn't perfect, but it's one hell of a lot better than what
we've got now. Cut Bush in November.

You got it. And Bush and Republicans are now saying they aren't
responsible for what the military does. What next? This was Saddam's
excuse.
.

User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	01 May 2004 09:17:12 PM

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

In article <szkzn8rzk6l.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

All I can say is, at least Dale and I didn't vote for him when he was
begging us to vote for him as governor -- while he was promising that he
wouldn't use the office to run for President. Guess whose Presidential
campaign office opened up January 2, 1999?
The Constitution isn't perfect, but it's one hell of a lot better than what
we've got now. Cut Bush in November.

You got it. And Bush and Republicans are now saying they aren't
responsible for what the military does. What next? This was Saddam's
excuse.

You know, I always figured I'd have to do more than a little traveling to
visit a banana republic. Thanks to the Chimp in Chief, I don't have to travel
at all any more to accomplish that. *spit*
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
.

User: "David W. Barnes"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	01 May 2004 09:10:14 PM

In article <szkvfjfzi6v.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

In article <szkzn8rzk6l.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

At what point do we accept the fact that Bush has totally botched this
"war" he claims was so damn important? Do we really have to have EVERY
country in the world hate us?

At least in Japan, when a leader screws up as bad as Bush has, he has
the dignity to step down. Bush goes on vacation.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/01/iraq.prisoner.reax/index.html

The Constitution isn't perfect, but it's one hell of a lot better than what
we've got now. Cut Bush in November.

You got it. And Bush and Republicans are now saying they aren't
responsible for what the military does. What next? This was Saddam's
excuse.

You know, I always figured I'd have to do more than a little traveling to
visit a banana republic. Thanks to the Chimp in Chief, I don't have to travel
at all any more to accomplish that. *spit*

Don't travel now. Bush has managed to squander, not only a surplus of
money, but a surplus of good will in other countries. We need Clinton
back.
.

User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	01 May 2004 09:33:22 PM

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

In article <szkvfjfzi6v.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

In article <szkzn8rzk6l.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

All I can say is, at least Dale and I didn't vote for him when he was
begging us to vote for him as governor -- while he was promising that he
wouldn't use the office to run for President. Guess whose Presidential
campaign office opened up January 2, 1999?
The Constitution isn't perfect, but it's one hell of a lot better than
what we've got now. Cut Bush in November.

You got it. And Bush and Republicans are now saying they aren't
responsible for what the military does. What next? This was Saddam's
excuse.

You know, I always figured I'd have to do more than a little traveling to
visit a banana republic. Thanks to the Chimp in Chief, I don't have to
travel at all any more to accomplish that. *spit*

Don't travel now. Bush has managed to squander, not only a surplus of
money, but a surplus of good will in other countries. We need Clinton
back.

At least I've got a lot of in-laws in the Dakotas, conveniently close to
Canada, if it comes to that. (The Canadians can at least keep from
bankrupting themselves, which is more than can be said for the professional
idiots inside the Beltway.) I'd vote for Dr. Ron Paul, if he'd run again --
he got my vote when he ran in 1988.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
.

User: "David W. Barnes"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	01 May 2004 09:43:33 PM

In article <szkekq3zhfx.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

In article <szkvfjfzi6v.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

In article <szkzn8rzk6l.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

At what point do we accept the fact that Bush has totally botched this
"war" he claims was so damn important? Do we really have to have EVERY
country in the world hate us?

At least in Japan, when a leader screws up as bad as Bush has, he has
the dignity to step down. Bush goes on vacation.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/01/iraq.prisoner.reax/index.html

The Constitution isn't perfect, but it's one hell of a lot better than
what we've got now. Cut Bush in November.

You got it. And Bush and Republicans are now saying they aren't
responsible for what the military does. What next? This was Saddam's
excuse.

You know, I always figured I'd have to do more than a little traveling to
visit a banana republic. Thanks to the Chimp in Chief, I don't have to
travel at all any more to accomplish that. *spit*

Don't travel now. Bush has managed to squander, not only a surplus of
money, but a surplus of good will in other countries. We need Clinton
back.

This is the "problem" with us liberals. We are open minded enough to
actually vote our conscience, but then our vote gets split and the
narrow minded conservatives have a better chance at winning.
.

User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	01 May 2004 09:59:54 PM

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

In article <szkekq3zhfx.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

In article <szkvfjfzi6v.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

In article <szkzn8rzk6l.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

At what point do we accept the fact that Bush has totally botched
this "war" he claims was so damn important? Do we really have to
have EVERY country in the world hate us?
At least in Japan, when a leader screws up as bad as Bush has, he has
the dignity to step down. Bush goes on vacation.
Bush needs to accept responsibility for his actions. This latest
screw up is reprehensible. We are clearly in far more danger of
terrorist attacks than ever. Bush has taken a country were a few
people hated us and turned it into a country where most hate us.
http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/01/iraq.prisoner.reax/index.html

All I can say is, at least Dale and I didn't vote for him when he was
begging us to vote for him as governor -- while he was promising that
he wouldn't use the office to run for President. Guess whose
Presidential campaign office opened up January 2, 1999?
The Constitution isn't perfect, but it's one hell of a lot better than
what we've got now. Cut Bush in November.

You got it. And Bush and Republicans are now saying they aren't
responsible for what the military does. What next? This was Saddam's
excuse.

You know, I always figured I'd have to do more than a little traveling to
visit a banana republic. Thanks to the Chimp in Chief, I don't have to
travel at all any more to accomplish that. *spit*

Don't travel now. Bush has managed to squander, not only a surplus of
money, but a surplus of good will in other countries. We need Clinton
back.

This is the "problem" with us liberals. We are open minded enough to
actually vote our conscience, but then our vote gets split and the
narrow minded conservatives have a better chance at winning.

I've always voted for who I considered best for the office, not for who the
idiot pollsters and incumbents decreed had the best chance of being elected --
and that's one right I refuse to give up. ;-)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
.

User: "Shawn Hearn"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	02 May 2004 09:49:12 AM

In article <szk65bfzg7p.fsf@fnord.io.com>,
Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote:

Save here, which is why I intend to vote for Kerry this November.
Make no mistake about it, I do not always vote straight Democrat either.
.

User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	02 May 2004 03:49:03 PM

Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> writes:

In article <szk65bfzg7p.fsf@fnord.io.com>,
Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote:

Save here, which is why I intend to vote for Kerry this November.
Make no mistake about it, I do not always vote straight Democrat either.

I've never voted straight _anything_ -- and this will be my eighth
Presidential election.
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
.

User: "David W. Barnes"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	02 May 2004 08:55:53 PM

In article <szkk6zuv9kw.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

Shawn Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> writes:

In article <szk65bfzg7p.fsf@fnord.io.com>,
Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote:

Save here, which is why I intend to vote for Kerry this November.
Make no mistake about it, I do not always vote straight Democrat either.

I've never voted straight _anything_ -- and this will be my eighth
Presidential election.

You need to vote your conscience. I have generally, but not always,
voted Democrat. While I feel Kerry will be a fine president, I'd like
other choices if offering those choices didn't mean an automatic win
for the Bush Reich. Too bad there isn't some way to vote for multiple
candidates based on which you feel is best, second best, etc. Then we
could have a number of candidates without automatically having the
robot Republicans win because they vote straight down the line.
.

User: "gaffo"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	02 May 2004 11:57:42 AM

Shawn Hearn wrote:

In article <szk65bfzg7p.fsf@fnord.io.com>,
Patrick Lee Humphrey <patrick@io.com> wrote:

Save here, which is why I intend to vote for Kerry this November.
Make no mistake about it, I do not always vote straight Democrat either.

agreed. I supported McCain last time and was going to write in his name
on my states Ballot - then all ofthe sudden writes are no longer counted
- then I settle on voting for Nader - but Nader was not on the ballot.
So we have Gush and Bore - one candidate on the ballot. Needless to say
I didn't wish to support a one candidate system ballot and so didn't vote.
Voted for Libertarian candidate in 88.
This time all vote for anyone other than Bu$hler - meaning Kerry (not
the traitor Nader who is an agent of Bu$hler obviously). Even though I
don;t like Kerry nor the Democratic party - they are infinatley better
than the Reichbuglicans and their Police State asperations.
--
http://baltimorechronicle.com/041704reTreason.shtml
http://www.truthinaction.net/iraq/illegaljayne.htm
"The new administration seems to be paying no attention to the problem
of terrorism. What they will do is stagger along until there's a major
incident and then suddenly say, 'Oh my God, shouldn't we be organized
to deal with this?'"
- Paul Bremer, speaking to a McCormick Tribune Foundation conference
on terrorism in Wheaton, Ill. on Feb. 26, 2001.
"On Jan. 26, 1998, President Clinton received a letter imploring him to use
his State of the Union address to make removal of Saddam Hussein's regime
the "aim of American foreign policy" and to use military action because
"diplomacy is failing." Were Clinton to do that, the signers pledged, they
would "offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor."
Signing the pledge were Elliott Abrams, Bill Bennett, John Bolton, Robert
Kagan, William Kristol, Richard Perle, and Paul Wolfowitz. Four years before
9/11, the neocons had Baghdad on their minds."
-philip (usenet)
"I had better things to do in the 60s than fight in Vietnam,"
-Richard Cheney, Kerry critic.
"I hope they will understand that in order for this government to get up
and running
- to be effective - some of its sovereignty will have to be given
back, if I can put it that way,
or limited by them, It's sovereignty but [some] of that sovereignty they
are going to allow us to exercise
on their behalf and with their permission."
- Powell 4/27/04
"We're trying to explain how things are going, and they are going as they
are going," he said, adding: "Some things are going well and some things
obviously are not going well. You're going to have good days and bad days."
On the road to democracy, this "is one moment, and there will be other
moments. And there will be good moments and there will be less good
moments."
- Rumsfeld 4/6/04
RUSSERT: Are you prepared to lose?
BUSH: No, I'm not going to lose.
RUSSERT: If you did, what would you do?
BUSH: Well, I don't plan on losing. I've got a vision for what I want to
do for the country.
See, I know exactly where I want to lead.................And we got
changing times
here in America, too., 2/8/04
"And that's very important for, I think, the people to understand where
I'm coming from,
to know that this is a dangerous world. I wish it wasn't. I'm a war
president.
I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with
war on my mind.
- pResident of the United State of America, 2/8/04
"Let's talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. We know that
based on intelligence, that he has been very, very good at hiding
these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know
he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons.
And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
- Vice President ***** Cheney, on "Meet the Press", 3/16/03
"I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the
Iraqis had nuclear weapons."
- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, 6/24/03
"I think in this case international law
stood in the way of doing the right thing (invading Iraq)."
- Richard Perle
"He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with
respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project
conventional power against his neighbours."
- Colin Powell February 24 2001
"We have been successful for the last ten years in keeping
him from developing those weapons and we will continue to be successful."
"He threatens not the United States."
"But I also thought that we had pretty
much removed his stings and frankly for ten years we really have."
'But what is interesting is that with the regime that has been in place
for the past ten years, I think a pretty good job has been done of
keeping him from breaking out and suddenly showing up one day and saying
"look what I got." He hasn't been able to do that.'
- Colin Powell February 26 2001
.

User: "Shawn Hearn"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	02 May 2004 09:48:04 AM

In article <010520041943331155%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com>,
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote:

This is the "problem" with us liberals. We are open minded enough to
actually vote our conscience, but then our vote gets split and the
narrow minded conservatives have a better chance at winning.

Hey, we liberals should urge Pat Buchanan or Steve Forbes to run for
president!
.

User: "David W. Barnes"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	02 May 2004 08:55:54 PM

In article <srhi-8C80E3.10480402052004@news-60.giganews.com>, Shawn
Hearn <srhi@comcast.net> wrote:

In article <010520041943331155%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com>,
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote:

This is the "problem" with us liberals. We are open minded enough to
actually vote our conscience, but then our vote gets split and the
narrow minded conservatives have a better chance at winning.

Hey, we liberals should urge Pat Buchanan or Steve Forbes to run for
president!

The Republicans do it. They give money to Nader and Sharpton, for
example. They have no shame.
.

User: "gaffo"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	02 May 2004 11:53:08 AM

Patrick Lee Humphrey wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

In article <szkvfjfzi6v.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

In article <szkzn8rzk6l.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

At what point do we accept the fact that Bush has totally botched this
"war" he claims was so damn important? Do we really have to have EVERY
country in the world hate us?

At least in Japan, when a leader screws up as bad as Bush has, he has
the dignity to step down. Bush goes on vacation.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/01/iraq.prisoner.reax/index.html

The Constitution isn't perfect, but it's one hell of a lot better than
what we've got now. Cut Bush in November.

You got it. And Bush and Republicans are now saying they aren't
responsible for what the military does. What next? This was Saddam's
excuse.

You know, I always figured I'd have to do more than a little traveling to
visit a banana republic. Thanks to the Chimp in Chief, I don't have to
travel at all any more to accomplish that. *spit*

Don't travel now. Bush has managed to squander, not only a surplus of
money, but a surplus of good will in other countries. We need Clinton
back.

So did I! Libertarian candidate 88. He got 2-percent here in OK.
--
http://baltimorechronicle.com/041704reTreason.shtml
http://www.truthinaction.net/iraq/illegaljayne.htm
"The new administration seems to be paying no attention to the problem
of terrorism. What they will do is stagger along until there's a major
incident and then suddenly say, 'Oh my God, shouldn't we be organized
to deal with this?'"
- Paul Bremer, speaking to a McCormick Tribune Foundation conference
on terrorism in Wheaton, Ill. on Feb. 26, 2001.
"On Jan. 26, 1998, President Clinton received a letter imploring him to use
his State of the Union address to make removal of Saddam Hussein's regime
the "aim of American foreign policy" and to use military action because
"diplomacy is failing." Were Clinton to do that, the signers pledged, they
would "offer our full support in this difficult but necessary endeavor."
Signing the pledge were Elliott Abrams, Bill Bennett, John Bolton, Robert
Kagan, William Kristol, Richard Perle, and Paul Wolfowitz. Four years before
9/11, the neocons had Baghdad on their minds."
-philip (usenet)
"I had better things to do in the 60s than fight in Vietnam,"
-Richard Cheney, Kerry critic.
"I hope they will understand that in order for this government to get up
and running
- to be effective - some of its sovereignty will have to be given
back, if I can put it that way,
or limited by them, It's sovereignty but [some] of that sovereignty they
are going to allow us to exercise
on their behalf and with their permission."
- Powell 4/27/04
"We're trying to explain how things are going, and they are going as they
are going," he said, adding: "Some things are going well and some things
obviously are not going well. You're going to have good days and bad days."
On the road to democracy, this "is one moment, and there will be other
moments. And there will be good moments and there will be less good
moments."
- Rumsfeld 4/6/04
RUSSERT: Are you prepared to lose?
BUSH: No, I'm not going to lose.
RUSSERT: If you did, what would you do?
BUSH: Well, I don't plan on losing. I've got a vision for what I want to
do for the country.
See, I know exactly where I want to lead.................And we got
changing times
here in America, too., 2/8/04
"And that's very important for, I think, the people to understand where
I'm coming from,
to know that this is a dangerous world. I wish it wasn't. I'm a war
president.
I make decisions here in the Oval Office in foreign policy matters with
war on my mind.
- pResident of the United State of America, 2/8/04
"Let's talk about the nuclear proposition for a minute. We know that
based on intelligence, that he has been very, very good at hiding
these kinds of efforts. He's had years to get good at it and we know
he has been absolutely devoted to trying to acquire nuclear weapons.
And we believe he has, in fact, reconstituted nuclear weapons."
- Vice President ***** Cheney, on "Meet the Press", 3/16/03
"I don't know anybody that I can think of who has contended that the
Iraqis had nuclear weapons."
- Defense Secretary Donald Rumsfeld, 6/24/03
"I think in this case international law
stood in the way of doing the right thing (invading Iraq)."
- Richard Perle
"He (Saddam Hussein) has not developed any significant capability with
respect to weapons of mass destruction. He is unable to project
conventional power against his neighbours."
- Colin Powell February 24 2001
"We have been successful for the last ten years in keeping
him from developing those weapons and we will continue to be successful."
"He threatens not the United States."
"But I also thought that we had pretty
much removed his stings and frankly for ten years we really have."
'But what is interesting is that with the regime that has been in place
for the past ten years, I think a pretty good job has been done of
keeping him from breaking out and suddenly showing up one day and saying
"look what I got." He hasn't been able to do that.'
- Colin Powell February 26 2001
.

User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	02 May 2004 12:08:33 PM

gaffo <gaffo@usenet.net> writes:

Patrick Lee Humphrey wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

In article <szkvfjfzi6v.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

In article <szkzn8rzk6l.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

All I can say is, at least Dale and I didn't vote for him when he was
begging us to vote for him as governor -- while he was promising that he
wouldn't use the office to run for President. Guess whose Presidential
campaign office opened up January 2, 1999?
The Constitution isn't perfect, but it's one hell of a lot better than
what we've got now. Cut Bush in November.

You got it. And Bush and Republicans are now saying they aren't
responsible for what the military does. What next? This was Saddam's
excuse.

You know, I always figured I'd have to do more than a little traveling to
visit a banana republic. Thanks to the Chimp in Chief, I don't have to
travel at all any more to accomplish that. *spit*

Don't travel now. Bush has managed to squander, not only a surplus of
money, but a surplus of good will in other countries. We need Clinton
back.

So did I! Libertarian candidate 88. He got 2-percent here in OK.

Yep...that's about what he pulled here, as well. He served a term in
Congress, from a district which occupied parts of northern Brazoria County and
spilled across Clear Creek into Harris County and Houston...
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
.

User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	01 May 2004 11:16:54 PM

Yeap, but sadly he isn't running
"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:010520041910141244%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...

In article <szkvfjfzi6v.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

In article <szkzn8rzk6l.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

At what point do we accept the fact that Bush has totally botched

this

"war" he claims was so damn important? Do we really have to have

EVERY

country in the world hate us?

At least in Japan, when a leader screws up as bad as Bush has, he

has

the dignity to step down. Bush goes on vacation.

Bush needs to accept responsibility for his actions. This latest

screw

up is reprehensible. We are clearly in far more danger of terrorist
attacks than ever. Bush has taken a country were a few people hated

and turned it into a country where most hate us.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/01/iraq.prisoner.reax/index.html

All I can say is, at least Dale and I didn't vote for him when he was
begging us to vote for him as governor -- while he was promising that

wouldn't use the office to run for President. Guess whose

Presidential

campaign office opened up January 2, 1999?

The Constitution isn't perfect, but it's one hell of a lot better

than what

we've got now. Cut Bush in November.

You got it. And Bush and Republicans are now saying they aren't
responsible for what the military does. What next? This was Saddam's
excuse.

You know, I always figured I'd have to do more than a little traveling

visit a banana republic. Thanks to the Chimp in Chief, I don't have to

travel

at all any more to accomplish that. *spit*

Don't travel now. Bush has managed to squander, not only a surplus of
money, but a surplus of good will in other countries. We need Clinton
back.

User: "David W. Barnes"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	02 May 2004 09:41:21 AM

In article <1098thm7lsrpued@corp.supernews.com>, Christian Mystic\
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:

Yeap, but sadly he isn't running

Instead of some ***** law on abortion we need to repeal the
amendment (enacted by Republicans because they got their assess kicked
by FDR) the stops him from be president again.

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message
news:010520041910141244%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com...

In article <szkvfjfzi6v.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

In article <szkzn8rzk6l.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

At what point do we accept the fact that Bush has totally botched

this

"war" he claims was so damn important? Do we really have to have

EVERY

country in the world hate us?

At least in Japan, when a leader screws up as bad as Bush has, he

has

the dignity to step down. Bush goes on vacation.

Bush needs to accept responsibility for his actions. This latest

screw

up is reprehensible. We are clearly in far more danger of terrorist
attacks than ever. Bush has taken a country were a few people hated

and turned it into a country where most hate us.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/01/iraq.prisoner.reax/index.html

All I can say is, at least Dale and I didn't vote for him when he was
begging us to vote for him as governor -- while he was promising that

wouldn't use the office to run for President. Guess whose

Presidential

campaign office opened up January 2, 1999?

The Constitution isn't perfect, but it's one hell of a lot better

than what

we've got now. Cut Bush in November.

You got it. And Bush and Republicans are now saying they aren't
responsible for what the military does. What next? This was Saddam's
excuse.

You know, I always figured I'd have to do more than a little traveling

visit a banana republic. Thanks to the Chimp in Chief, I don't have to

travel

at all any more to accomplish that. *spit*

Don't travel now. Bush has managed to squander, not only a surplus of
money, but a surplus of good will in other countries. We need Clinton
back.

User: "Matty"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	02 May 2004 03:10:29 AM

Patrick Lee Humphrey wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

In article <szkzn8rzk6l.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

At what point do we accept the fact that Bush has totally botched this
"war" he claims was so damn important? Do we really have to have EVERY
country in the world hate us?

At least in Japan, when a leader screws up as bad as Bush has, he has
the dignity to step down. Bush goes on vacation.

http://www.cnn.com/2004/WORLD/meast/05/01/iraq.prisoner.reax/index.html

The Constitution isn't perfect, but it's one hell of a lot better than what
we've got now. Cut Bush in November.

You got it. And Bush and Republicans are now saying they aren't
responsible for what the military does. What next? This was Saddam's
excuse.

You know, I always figured I'd have to do more than a little traveling to
visit a banana republic. Thanks to the Chimp in Chief, I don't have to travel
at all any more to accomplish that. *spit*

Well, we have no problems with Americans in this "evil overseas", just don't
*act* American, and you'll find that people are very hospitable ;-)
Matty
--
My blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com/
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Science without religion is lame, religion without
science is blind." - Albert Einstein
"You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die
for your country. You just need to
shoot straight." - Barry Goldwater, (Ret. AF general)
.

User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	02 May 2004 03:52:25 PM

Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> writes:

Patrick Lee Humphrey wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

In article <szkzn8rzk6l.fsf@fnord.io.com>, Patrick Lee Humphrey
<patrick@io.com> wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> writes:

All I can say is, at least Dale and I didn't vote for him when he was
begging us to vote for him as governor -- while he was promising that he
wouldn't use the office to run for President. Guess whose Presidential
campaign office opened up January 2, 1999?
The Constitution isn't perfect, but it's one hell of a lot better than what
we've got now. Cut Bush in November.

You got it. And Bush and Republicans are now saying they aren't
responsible for what the military does. What next? This was Saddam's
excuse.

You know, I always figured I'd have to do more than a little traveling to
visit a banana republic. Thanks to the Chimp in Chief, I don't have to
travel at all any more to accomplish that. *spit*

Well, we have no problems with Americans in this "evil overseas", just don't
*act* American, and you'll find that people are very hospitable ;-)

Not to worry -- Mrs. C and I have been to Mexico and Canada a time or two, and
have never drawn the ire of our hosts...;-)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
.

User: "Matty"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	03 May 2004 01:23:33 AM

Well, we have no problems with Americans in this "evil overseas", just don't
*act* American, and you'll find that people are very hospitable ;-)

Not to worry -- Mrs. C and I have been to Mexico and Canada a time or two, and
have never drawn the ire of our hosts...;-)

I assume you try and "merge" into the surroundings. When I went to Fiji,
unfortunately, all I saw were loud mouthed Americans speak at the loudest
possible volume so that everyone could hear them, oh, and their bratty
children, geepers, if I acted like that, I would have been given a size 12
kick up the ***** ;-) mind you, in fiji, nothing is better than haggling, I was
able to get a vendor to bring the price of some ear phones he was selling down
from FIJI$24 to FIJI$4 ;-) then I did something mean, and said, "oh, I decided
not to buy it" and walked out ;-)
;-) Well, you know when you're speaking to a NZ'der, they have a weird accent,
it seems when we say things with 'i', to the person listening, it sounds like
a 'u' ;-)
--
My blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com/
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Science without religion is lame, religion without
science is blind." - Albert Einstein
"You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die
for your country. You just need to
shoot straight." - Barry Goldwater, (Ret. AF general)
.

User: "Patrick Lee Humphrey"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	03 May 2004 07:08:23 AM

Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> writes:

Well, we have no problems with Americans in this "evil overseas", just don't
*act* American, and you'll find that people are very hospitable ;-)

Not to worry -- Mrs. C and I have been to Mexico and Canada a time or two,
and
have never drawn the ire of our hosts...;-)

Sounds like Canc�n, too, though my Spanish wasn't near enough proficient for
me to get into a hagglefest. (I'm a little better at TexMex, anyway. ;-)

;-) Well, you know when you're speaking to a NZ'der, they have a weird accent,
it seems when we say things with 'i', to the person listening, it sounds like
a 'u' ;-)

That's no problem -- I'm in a city that's more or less a world crossroads, and
any language you can name is likely to be spoken here at some time. (Klingon
included.) Funny how it works out, though -- I'm not a native, but I can pass
for one, after nearly forty years on the bayou, but I'm a native of the coal
camps in Appalachian Kentucky -- and when I go home to annoy my parents and
kin, those who don't know me up there swear that I must live in Ohio, from my
accent. It's a mystery to me...;-)
--
Patrick "The Chief Instigator" Humphrey (patrick@io.com) Houston, Texas
www.chiefinstigator.us.tt/aeros.php (TCI's 2003-04 Houston Aeros)
.

User: "Matty"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	03 May 2004 08:25:10 PM

Patrick Lee Humphrey wrote:

Matty <kaiwainz@yahoo.com.au> writes:

Well, we have no problems with Americans in this "evil overseas", just don't
*act* American, and you'll find that people are very hospitable ;-)

Not to worry -- Mrs. C and I have been to Mexico and Canada a time or two,
and
have never drawn the ire of our hosts...;-)

Sounds like Canc�n, too, though my Spanish wasn't near enough proficient for
me to get into a hagglefest. (I'm a little better at TexMex, anyway. ;-)

LOL, reminds me of my father who, when he was in Somalia with a UN mission
(waaay back), they travelled through Kenya; if there was ever some one to
prove that they're Scottish to theh core, it would be my old man ;-)

;-) Well, you know when you're speaking to a NZ'der, they have a weird accent,
it seems when we say things with 'i', to the person listening, it sounds like
a 'u' ;-)

True, same goes for NZ'ders, the accents from the South Island sound
completely different to those who live in the North Island. Alot of visitors
have a heck of time trying to understand "us fellas" ;-)
Matty
--
My blog: http://kaiwai.blogspot.com/
"You don't have to live next to me, Just give me my
equality" - Nina Simone (Mississippi *****)
"Science without religion is lame, religion without
science is blind." - Albert Einstein
"You don't need to be 'straight' to fight and die
for your country. You just need to
shoot straight." - Barry Goldwater, (Ret. AF general)
.

User: "Mark Fox"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	11 May 2004 07:04:03 PM

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message news:<010520041630398725%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com>...

At what point do we accept the fact that Bush has totally botched this
"war" he claims was so damn important?

When he fails to capture Saddam and his two sons you can claim that
President Bush "botched this war".

Do we really have to have EVERY
country in the world hate us?

No country hates the United States of America.
You are confusing self-loathing American socialists who hate America.
Foreigners love America. So much so that America is half of their news
programs. They try to send their children to America to go to school
if they can afford it. Millions are trying to immigrate to America and
abandon their substandard conditions and opportunities. Some are even
risking their lives to get to America. Its clear the world loves
America.
Other countries hate America the way Americans hate Bill Gates. They
are jealous of his success, in awe of the performance of the product
but secretly wishing they had Bill's self made wealth for themselves.
They continue to buy Bill's software though, because they know its the
best product on the market for the price but to stroke their own egos
they complain loudly how the product is poor and Bill Gates is ripping
them off by "forcing" them to buy it.
You are also getting confused by the TV media and the Hollywood
liberals who are using the attitude described above to get you to
think people hate America so perhaps you will be frightened into
voting for their weak candidate for President instead of re-electing
President Bush who has demonstrated that he defends America against
all known threats.

At least in Japan, when a leader screws up as bad as Bush has, he has
the dignity to step down. Bush goes on vacation.

Presidents don't go on vacation you ignorant fool. Presidents are on
duty 24 hours a day.

You are clearly an idiot who has no facts but only whines and
complains from the shadows. You are probably unemployed and live with
your mother.
.

User: "RainLover"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	12 May 2004 10:10:36 AM

On 11 May 2004 17:04:03 -0700,

(Mark Fox) wrote:

"David W. Barnes" <VoteKerry@dbarnes.com> wrote in message news:<010520041630398725%VoteKerry@dbarnes.com>...

At what point do we accept the fact that Bush has totally botched this
"war" he claims was so damn important?

When he fails to capture Saddam and his two sons you can claim that
President Bush "botched this war".

Oh, you mean the latest "reason" for going to war... Let's recount:
1st: going to war to stop future acts like 9-11 (oh, wait, Iraq had nothing
to do with it and Sadam actually hates Al Kada (sp)
2nd: Weapons of mass destruction. (oh, wait, Iraq DID get rid of their WMD
over the 10 years of sanctions)
3rd: Sadam is terrible and tortures his own people!! (um... oh, damn,
wait... the USA is Torturing them too)

Do we really have to have EVERY
country in the world hate us?

No country hates the United States of America.

I'd be "ROFLMAO" if this statement wasn't so scary. Obviously, this comes
from a hardcore fan of Rush Limbaugh who has never traveled the world or even
listened to newscasts from around the world.

You are confusing self-loathing American socialists who hate America.
Foreigners love America. So much so that America is half of their news
programs. They try to send their children to America to go to school
if they can afford it. Millions are trying to immigrate to America and
abandon their substandard conditions and opportunities. Some are even
risking their lives to get to America. Its clear the world loves
America.

Oh yes.... so clear. Your reasoning above is this:
Ask people entering a church on sunday if they are christian and then
concluding that 100% of americans are christian and go to church every sunday.
Notice a slight flaw in your logic?

Other countries hate America the way Americans hate Bill Gates. They
are jealous of his success, in awe of the performance of the product
but secretly wishing they had Bill's self made wealth for themselves.

Non Sequitor. Most people would like wealth, but not everyone loves america.

They continue to buy Bill's software though, because they know its the
best product on the market for the price but to stroke their own egos
they complain loudly how the product is poor and Bill Gates is ripping
them off by "forcing" them to buy it.

Microsoft abuses it's monopoly. It DESTROYS any competition so they alone are
at the top... it's the problem with unregulated capitalism... once someone
gets so far ahead of all the others, it can stop all the others from even
trying.

You are also getting confused by the TV media and the Hollywood
liberals who are using the attitude described above to get you to
think people hate America so perhaps you will be frightened into
voting for their weak candidate for President instead of re-electing
President Bush who has demonstrated that he defends America against
all known threats.

Bush has found the perfect boogieman.... something our leaders have been
looking for since the beginning... Kings, Indians, Mexicans, Slavery,
Immigrants, Uppity Blacks, Women voting, Communism, Drugs, and now
"terrorists".... whatever that means.
Bush is MAKING UP "threats"... Sadam had never threatened America or
Americans. We used to consider Sadam an ally... even while he was gassing
Kurds. Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 nor did Sadam work with (Or even
LIKE) Al Kada.
Funny how Bush Ignored North Korea, who, by the way, HAS THREATENED the USA
and *IS* developing nukes...

At least in Japan, when a leader screws up as bad as Bush has, he has
the dignity to step down. Bush goes on vacation.

Presidents don't go on vacation you ignorant fool. Presidents are on
duty 24 hours a day.

GW has been on a permanent 3 year vacation.... at least mentally. Luckily for
him, His daddy told him to hire all the people who used to be in the
whitehouse over the last 30 years... and they are running it. Bush is more
like a marionette.

You are clearly an idiot who has no facts but only whines and
complains from the shadows. You are probably unemployed and live with
your mother.

I wouldn't call discussing these issues in the newsgroups "complaining from
the shadows" would you?
But, you have a good chance at being correct about the unemployed part of your
accusation since Bush is encouraging companies to move their operations
overseas.... Haven't you heard? What's good for the company's bottom line is
good for America. *NOT*
If you don't think our invasion of Iraq has created more hate towards America
then the last 50 years of U.S. - MiddleEast policies you're deluding yourself.
James, Seattle
.

User: "Mark Fox"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	13 May 2004 08:29:09 AM

RainLover <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote in message

Do we really have to have EVERY
country in the world hate us?

No country hates the United States of America.

I'd be "ROFLMAO" if this statement wasn't so scary. Obviously, this comes
from a hardcore fan of Rush Limbaugh who has never traveled the world or even
listened to newscasts from around the world.

I have been to Europe 9 times - England, Sweden, Norway, Germany,
France, Spain, Italy, Greece and turkey. I have been to Australia,
China and Japan. They all talk about America, they all love America
and they all make sure their kids can Speak English.
Since you accuse me of never having traveled the world, where have you
been?
Who is Rush Limbaugh?
Oh, and by the way, I'm a democrat but I will probably vote for Bush
this year because the Democratic Party leadership doesn't understand
the threats in the world today and is trying to raise my taxes.

Foreigners love America. So much so that America is half of their news
programs. They try to send their children to America to go to school
if they can afford it. Millions are trying to immigrate to America and
abandon their substandard conditions and opportunities. Some are even
risking their lives to get to America. Its clear the world loves
America.

Oh yes.... so clear. Your reasoning above is this:

Ask people entering a church on sunday if they are christian and then
concluding that 100% of americans are christian and go to church every sunday.

Notice a slight flaw in your logic?

No. Your poor analogy is flawed. To salvage your flawed analogy I
would have to conclude that because so many Americans go to church,
America must not hate church but like church.

Non Sequitor. Most people would like wealth, but not everyone loves america.

Congratulations! You have stumbled upon the real reason. People are
jealous of America because America is wealthy. Period. The "hatred"
for America that you falsely claim is caused by "foreign policies" is
really anger at not being wealthy like Americans. This is caused by
Television showing the world a false view of America seeming to be
much more wealthy and sinful then Americans really are.

Microsoft abuses it's monopoly.

But you buy it because its the best.

It DESTROYS any competition so they alone are at the top...

and you buy it because its the best.

it's the problem with unregulated capitalism...

Unregulated capitalism created the Internet and the Microsoft
Corporation, both of which you enjoy as you blither your opinions on
the Internet.

once someone
gets so far ahead of all the others, it can stop all the others from even
trying.

Its a better product. Others are trying to beat it and have failed so
far. They should keep trying. Everyone wins in the end.

Bush has found the perfect boogieman....

Bush was presented with the perfect boogieman created by Bill Clinton
and Jamie Gorelick instructing the FBI to not investigate terrorists
in the united states.
Funny how you complain about Bill Gates and George Bush but you are
silent on this:
http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/wtcjumpers.html

something our leaders have been
looking for since the beginning... Kings, Indians, Mexicans, Slavery,
Immigrants, Uppity Blacks, Women voting, Communism, Drugs, and now
"terrorists".... whatever that means.

Whatever that means? Are you kidding? Look again:
http://www.homestead.com/prosites-prs/wtcjumpers.html
Do you not recognize a threat when you see it?

Bush is MAKING UP "threats"... Sadam had never threatened America or
Americans.

Neither did Hitler until it was too late. Saddam was smart like
Hitler. He only threatened people when it was to his advantage to
threaten them. Thats what makes Saddam so dangerous.

We used to consider Sadam an ally...

Saddam was never an ally. Thats just more liberal spin that you have
swollowed. Saddam was a useful player in response to Iranian terrorism
and acts of war against the United States.

even while he was gassing
Kurds.

So you admit that he had WMDs and used them on his own people.

Iraq had nothing to do with 9-11 nor did Sadam work with (Or even
LIKE) Al Kada.

Terrorists hiding in Iraq killed an American in a wheel chair on a
cruise ship. No it wasn't Al Qaeda. Terrorists supported by Saddam
killed an American in Jordan. No it wasn't Al Qaeda. Saddam
supported the famalies of homicide bombers in Palistine. No it wasn't
Al-Qaeda. Saddam tried to murder the President of the United States.
Bill Clinton bombed Iraq in response to that attempted murder. Saddam
had you wrapped around his little finger as his hidden support for
terrorism threatened the world.

Funny how Bush Ignored North Korea, who, by the way, HAS THREATENED the USA
and *IS* developing nukes...

North Korea hasn't invaded any of its neighbors in 50 years. North
Korea hasn't fired missiles on the heads of civilians, hasn't murdered
its own citizens and hasn't fired upon American troops lawfully
stationed in South Korea at the invitation of the South Korean
Government.
Unlike North Korea, Iraq had fired upon American Troops who entered
the Sovereign nation of Kuwait at the invitation of the Kuwait
government. Iraq had invaded Kuwait. Iraq had fired missiles on
Israeli civilians in the process.
Are you so ignorant that you are unable to understand that while North
Korea was "talking and threatening" Saddam was invading and killing.
Do you still maintain the North Korea is the larger threat?

At least in Japan, when a leader screws up as bad as Bush has, he has
the dignity to step down. Bush goes on vacation.

Presidents don't go on vacation you ignorant fool. Presidents are on
duty 24 hours a day.

You are clearly an idiot who has no facts but only whines and
complains from the shadows. You are probably unemployed and live with
your mother.

Does that explain why John Kerry used to ride a foreign motorcycle
before he traded it in for a Harley when he decided to run for
president and why he gets his money from Heinz's off shore factories?

If you don't think our invasion of Iraq has created more hate towards America
then the last 50 years of U.S. - MiddleEast policies you're deluding yourself.

No it is you who is deluded. You are watching too much Democratic
party spinning and commercial television sensationalism and the
arrogance of bribed French officials. You conveniently ignore
unanimous votes of the United Nations security council which state
that Saddam was a threat to the world.
I happen to know that the other middle eastern countries, all of them,
are happy that Saddam is gone after watching two neighboring countries
get invaded by Saddam. Some countries like Saudi Arabia, Kuwait, and
Qatar publicly supported the invasion and the rest supported it
privately.
Where did you get the idea that the middle east is unhappy with the
invasion of Iraq? Liberal TV perhaps?
No country hates the United States. If you see them complaining on TV
they are just working an angle to get something for themselves.
Politics is disgusting and you have been sucked into the rhetoric
hook, line and sinker.

James, Seattle

You are deluding yourself with TV images of 0.001 percent of the
population engaged in political demonstrations for the cameras who
wait patiently for their queue from the news producer.
.

User: "osprey"
Title: Re: Bush Needs To Go	13 May 2004 03:34:08 PM

(Mark Fox) wrote in message news:<a258afb5.0405130529.50341f2c@posting.google.com>...

RainLover <SP-AMB-LOCKrainlover@raincity.com> wrote in message

Do we really have to have EVERY
country in the world hate us?

No country hates the United States of America.

I'd be "ROFLMAO" if this statement wasn't so scary. Obviously, this comes
from a hardcore fan of Rush Limbaugh who has never traveled the world or even
listened to newscasts from around the world.

I have been to Europe 9 times - England, Sweden, Norway, German