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"Mark Earnest" |
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22 Dec 2004 12:41:23 PM |
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Can Christians and Atheists Coexist? |
It may seem like atheists and Christians cannot coexist, since their views
on reality are so different. One has to see it to believe it, and the other
has to believe it to see it.
But I think that Christians and atheists just have to different and valid
perspectives of the same reality.
Atheists know that when the body is gone, the person does not exist in the
truest sense of the word. That is true, because how can one fully exist
without a body,
even if a spirit in some sense?
And Christians know that the spirit continues after death; they just do not
know that the continuation is not a full state of being alive.
After death, we exist, and yet we do not exist.
No wonder Christians and atheists are able to coexist in the work world.
The ironies of life.
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| User: "anonymous person" |
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22 Dec 2004 03:55:04 PM |
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"Mark Earnest" <mark45@SPAMLESSairmail.net> wrote in message
news:cqcf1g$6gj@library1.airnews.net...
It may seem like atheists and Christians cannot coexist, since their views
on reality are so different. One has to see it to believe it, and the
other has to believe it to see it.
But I think that Christians and atheists just have to different and valid
perspectives of the same reality.
Atheists know that when the body is gone, the person does not exist in the
truest sense of the word. That is true, because how can one fully exist
without a body,
even if a spirit in some sense?
And Christians know that the spirit continues after death; they just do
not know that the continuation is not a full state of being alive.
After death, we exist, and yet we do not exist.
No wonder Christians and atheists are able to coexist in the work world.
The ironies of life.
We have coexisted for over 2000 years now. Some times we didn't get along
real well and attempts were made by the atheists to wipe out the Christians
and there was an attempt by the Catholic Church to wipe out atheists, but
overall we have gotten along amazingly well all considered.
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| User: "James" |
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30 Dec 2004 06:35:25 PM |
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Mark Earnest <mark45@SPAMLESSairmail.net> wrote in message
news:cqcf1g$6gj@library1.airnews.net...
It may seem like atheists and Christians cannot coexist, since their views
on reality are so different. One has to see it to believe it, and the
other
has to believe it to see it.
But I think that Christians and atheists just have to different and valid
perspectives of the same reality.
Atheists know that when the body is gone, the person does not exist in the
truest sense of the word. That is true, because how can one fully exist
without a body,
even if a spirit in some sense?
And Christians know that the spirit continues after death; they just do
not
know that the continuation is not a full state of being alive.
Hello,
Actually, the Bible says that there is no conscience existence after death.
Ec 9:5,
"For the living know that they will die, but the dead know nothing; they
have no further reward, and even the memory of them is forgotten." (NIV)
Also notice Ps 146:3,4,
"3 Do not trust in princes, In mortal man, in whom there is no salvation. 4
His spirit departs, he returns to the earth; In that very day his thoughts
perish." (NASB)
Thus according to God's word (not men's word), dead people "know nothing"
because their "thoughts perish". (It is kind a hard to think about things,
without any thoughts, isn't it) They simply do not exist anymore.
So then, does the Bible uphold the atheists beliefs in this? Not at all. The
Bible gives out a hope for those who have died and cease to exist. Notice Ac
24:15,
"and I have the same hope in God as these men, that there will be a
resurrection of both the righteous and the wicked." (NIV)
Yes, God will bring back the dead ones again, so that they will be able to
have thoughts again, etc. Even today, when you pop in an old movie starring
a person now dead, say Humphrey Bogart, you can actually see his real image,
as well has hear a reproduction of his real voice. But God can go much
further. He can bring back the PHYSICAL being, complete with all his
original personality etc.
Remember, Jesus called God's word "truth". Thus true Christians must go by
the "truth" of God's word, not the teachings of men. (also see 2 Ti 3:16)
Sincerely, James
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After death, we exist, and yet we do not exist.
No wonder Christians and atheists are able to coexist in the work world.
The ironies of life.
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| User: "Matthew Isleb" |
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22 Dec 2004 02:05:55 PM |
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I think this is answered by the simple fact that they DO coexist.
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:41:23 -0600, Mark Earnest wrote:
It may seem like atheists and Christians cannot coexist, since their views
on reality are so different. One has to see it to believe it, and the other
has to believe it to see it.
But I think that Christians and atheists just have to different and valid
perspectives of the same reality.
Atheists know that when the body is gone, the person does not exist in the
truest sense of the word. That is true, because how can one fully exist
without a body,
even if a spirit in some sense?
And Christians know that the spirit continues after death; they just do not
know that the continuation is not a full state of being alive.
After death, we exist, and yet we do not exist.
No wonder Christians and atheists are able to coexist in the work world.
The ironies of life.
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| User: "The Doctor" |
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22 Dec 2004 01:37:27 PM |
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In article <cqcf1g$6gj@library1.airnews.net>,
Mark Earnest <mark45@SPAMLESSairmail.net> wrote:
It may seem like atheists and Christians cannot coexist, since their views
on reality are so different. One has to see it to believe it, and the other
has to believe it to see it.
But I think that Christians and atheists just have to different and valid
perspectives of the same reality.
Atheists know that when the body is gone, the person does not exist in the
truest sense of the word. That is true, because how can one fully exist
without a body,
even if a spirit in some sense?
And Christians know that the spirit continues after death; they just do not
know that the continuation is not a full state of being alive.
After death, we exist, and yet we do not exist.
No wonder Christians and atheists are able to coexist in the work world.
The ironies of life.
And still Jesus go forth and make disciples of the world.
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Member - Liberal International
This is Ici
God Queen and country! Beware Anti-Christ rising!
Merry Christmas 2004 and Happy New Year 2005
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| User: "Christopher Benson-Manica" |
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22 Dec 2004 01:36:05 PM |
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In talk.atheism Mark Earnest <mark45@spamlessairmail.net> wrote:
But I think that Christians and atheists just have to different and valid
perspectives of the same reality.
No. Having a "different perspective" about reality is being wrong
about reality. To that extent non-relativists can all agree.
After death, we exist, and yet we do not exist.
It's either one or the other.
--
Christopher Benson-Manica | I *should* know what I'm talking about - if I
ataru(at)cyberspace.org | don't, I need to know. Flames welcome.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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22 Dec 2004 07:48:36 PM |
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"Christopher Benson-Manica" <ataru@nospam.cyberspace.org> wrote in message
news:cqcib5$bsb$1@chessie.cirr.com...
In talk.atheism Mark Earnest <mark45@spamlessairmail.net> wrote:
But I think that Christians and atheists just have to different and valid
perspectives of the same reality.
No. Having a "different perspective" about reality is being wrong
about reality. To that extent non-relativists can all agree.
After death, we exist, and yet we do not exist.
It's either one or the other.
They are two different points of view. After death we exist in the sense of
being
"there," but we do not exist in the sense that we no longer can affect our
outcomes or the world any more...for the time being anyway. There's not
much you can do when you are likely not known any more.
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| User: "Christopher Benson-Manica" |
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22 Dec 2004 08:16:54 PM |
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In talk.atheism Mark Earnest <mark45@spamlessairmail.net> wrote:
They are two different points of view. After death we exist in the sense of
being
"there," but we do not exist in the sense that we no longer can affect our
outcomes or the world any more...for the time being anyway. There's not
much you can do when you are likely not known any more.
Then your position is that existence continues after death. It
remains diametrically opposed to the contention that after death there
is nonexistence.
--
Christopher Benson-Manica | I *should* know what I'm talking about - if I
ataru(at)cyberspace.org | don't, I need to know. Flames welcome.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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23 Dec 2004 11:28:49 AM |
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Christopher Benson-Manica wrote:
In talk.atheism Mark Earnest <mark45@spamlessairmail.net> wrote:
They are two different points of view. After death we exist in the sense of
being
"there," but we do not exist in the sense that we no longer can affect our
outcomes or the world any more...for the time being anyway. There's not
much you can do when you are likely not known any more.
Then your position is that existence continues after death.
===>Existence is eternal.
The FORM of existence changes all the time.
The form in which you exist after death -- ashes, dust, bones --
is incapable of producing consciousness.
It remains diametrically opposed to the contention that after death there
is nonexistence.
===>"Nonexistence" does not exist. -- L.
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| User: "bob young" |
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24 Dec 2004 12:35:51 AM |
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since they have co-existed from the time man made up his first god, the
question is hardly worth asking.
We have and we will continue to do so, because superstitious man will never
give up his myths.
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| User: "" |
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23 Dec 2004 07:43:50 AM |
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In talk.atheism Christopher Benson-Manica <ataru@nospam.cyberspace.org> wrote:
In talk.atheism Mark Earnest <mark45@spamlessairmail.net> wrote:
But I think that Christians and atheists just have to different and valid
perspectives of the same reality.
No. Having a "different perspective" about reality is being wrong
about reality. To that extent non-relativists can all agree.
There's ways to have different perspectives and yet still be right. I can
say a giraffe is a large animal, because it's tall. Another person can say
it's a small animal because it's so light relative to it's height. I could
say the sun is moving across the sky and someone else say the earth is
rotating. ALL things are relative to something else and thus there can be
many perspectives on things.
After death, we exist, and yet we do not exist.
It's either one or the other.
I will exist on as memories in others but not as a seperate entity.
--
Mike
W hat atheism: a non-prophet organization...
W ould
J enna
D rink?
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Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you
do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we," George W. "Shrub" Bush Aug 5, 2004
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The only product that Micro$oft could produce that *wouldn't* suck would be a
vacuum cleaner..
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| User: "Christopher Benson-Manica" |
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23 Dec 2004 02:55:14 PM |
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In talk.atheism wrote:
There's ways to have different perspectives and yet still be right. I can
say a giraffe is a large animal, because it's tall. Another person can say
it's a small animal because it's so light relative to it's height. I could
say the sun is moving across the sky and someone else say the earth is
rotating. ALL things are relative to something else and thus there can be
many perspectives on things.
The question here, though, is "Does the giraffe exist?", to which
there is only one right answer.
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Christopher Benson-Manica | I *should* know what I'm talking about - if I
ataru(at)cyberspace.org | don't, I need to know. Flames welcome.
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| User: "" |
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24 Dec 2004 07:56:08 AM |
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In talk.atheism Christopher Benson-Manica <ataru@nospam.cyberspace.org> wrote:
In talk.atheism wrote:
There's ways to have different perspectives and yet still be right. I can
say a giraffe is a large animal, because it's tall. Another person can say
it's a small animal because it's so light relative to it's height. I could
say the sun is moving across the sky and someone else say the earth is
rotating. ALL things are relative to something else and thus there can be
many perspectives on things.
The question here, though, is "Does the giraffe exist?", to which
there is only one right answer.
"Does the giraffe exist?" Well, I'm thinking of a giraffe right now. Does
that "giraffe" exist? Some would say it exists as a thought in my mind.
Others would say since there's no physical entity, it does not. Others would
say that it does exist as a physical entity as the section of my brain that
is doing the thinking of it. so no, there is no "one right answer." Now if
you start getting more and more specific with the question, then you start
approaching closer and closer to "one right answer" but there's still room
for discussion. I.e. if the question was "Does the giraffe exist as a
physical entity?" then that would have eliminated the "giraffe as thought"
existence but not narrowed down the other two.
--
Mike
W hat atheism: a non-prophet organization...
W ould
J enna
D rink?
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Creation Science: an oxymoron actually created by morons...
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Before you criticize someone, walk a mile in their shoes. That way when you
do criticize them, you're a mile away, and you have their shoes.
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"Our enemies are innovative and resourceful, and so are we. They never stop
thinking about new ways to harm our country and our people, and neither do
we," George W. "Shrub" Bush Aug 5, 2004
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The only product that Micro$oft could produce that *wouldn't* suck would be a
vacuum cleaner..
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| User: "bloodyvikings" |
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22 Dec 2004 02:51:31 PM |
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Mark Earnest wrote:
It may seem like atheists and Christians cannot coexist
Of course we can.
Just don't mention religion.
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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07 Nov 2005 07:15:59 PM |
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"bloodyvikings" <spam@spam.not> wrote in message
news:mrudnQrPWMqlQ1TcRVnyrA@brightview.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
It may seem like atheists and Christians cannot coexist
Of course we can.
Just don't mention religion.
And stay in our own newsgroups :-)
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| User: "Richard Dawkins" |
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07 Nov 2005 07:18:46 PM |
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:11mvufuehkv0v37@corp.supernews.com...
"bloodyvikings" <spam@spam.not> wrote in message
news:mrudnQrPWMqlQ1TcRVnyrA@brightview.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
It may seem like atheists and Christians cannot coexist
Of course we can.
Just don't mention religion.
And stay in our own newsgroups :-)
Glenn ,you forget that most atheists in these newsgroups are no more
atheists than they are God-haters.
Important difference.
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| User: "Tom" |
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07 Nov 2005 07:46:56 PM |
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"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
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"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:11mvufuehkv0v37@corp.supernews.com...
"bloodyvikings" <spam@spam.not> wrote in message
news:mrudnQrPWMqlQ1TcRVnyrA@brightview.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
It may seem like atheists and Christians cannot coexist
Of course we can.
Just don't mention religion.
And stay in our own newsgroups :-)
Glenn ,you forget that most atheists in these newsgroups are no more
atheists than they are God-haters.
Important difference.
Yes Asswipe, only Christians can hate god.
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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14 Nov 2005 04:08:38 PM |
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"Tom" <mmman_90@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
news:S1Tbf.37$aR2.4898@news.uswest.net...
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
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"bloodyvikings" <spam@spam.not> wrote in message
news:mrudnQrPWMqlQ1TcRVnyrA@brightview.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
It may seem like atheists and Christians cannot coexist
Of course we can.
Just don't mention religion.
And stay in our own newsgroups :-)
Glenn ,you forget that most atheists in these newsgroups are no more
atheists than they are God-haters.
Important difference.
Yes Asswipe, only Christians can hate god.
Well believers, anyway, you are correct, you can't hate something which
doesn't exist, something for everyone to think about.
BTW, why are you here ?
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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14 Nov 2005 04:05:18 PM |
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"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
news:S1Tbf.37$aR2.4898@news.uswest.net...
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:11mvufuehkv0v37@corp.supernews.com...
"bloodyvikings" <spam@spam.not> wrote in message
news:mrudnQrPWMqlQ1TcRVnyrA@brightview.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
It may seem like atheists and Christians cannot coexist
Of course we can.
Just don't mention religion.
And stay in our own newsgroups :-)
Glenn ,you forget that most atheists in these newsgroups are no more
atheists than they are God-haters.
Important difference.
I was one of them myself, kinda hard to forget, actually, it is because I
remember, that I said what I had, what may surprise you, is that many, if
not most, of they who were former Christians, had received salvation, as I
had, and are already under convection to return to the fold, (as God will
not let go of they who are His, He never gave up on me, and kept His Word,
which brought me back, even while I was throwing {figuritively, and
sometimes literally} the bird at Him)...
Thing is, the more Christians, without realizing it, interfered (thinking
they were witnessing for God) with what God was doing in my life, the more
angry and hateful I got, it was *after* I joined the Navy, and got as far
away from testifying believers, as one could get, that God had me all to
Himself, and caused me to return !
Don't get me wrong, the friends and family which I "escaped", never stopped
praying... Pray for them, and let go, and let God (Have some faith that He
is *big enough* to handle it without your help)
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| User: "John Baker" |
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14 Nov 2005 04:10:01 PM |
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:05:18 -0600, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
news:S1Tbf.37$aR2.4898@news.uswest.net...
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:11mvufuehkv0v37@corp.supernews.com...
"bloodyvikings" <spam@spam.not> wrote in message
news:mrudnQrPWMqlQ1TcRVnyrA@brightview.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
It may seem like atheists and Christians cannot coexist
Of course we can.
Just don't mention religion.
And stay in our own newsgroups :-)
Glenn ,you forget that most atheists in these newsgroups are no more
atheists than they are God-haters.
Important difference.
What you really need to understand, Glenn, is that Ray Ambrosini (aka
"Richard Dawkins" and about three dozen others) is a liar, a troll and
an idiot.
I was one of them myself, kinda hard to forget, actually, it is because I
remember, that I said what I had, what may surprise you, is that many, if
not most, of they who were former Christians, had received salvation, as I
had, and are already under convection to return to the fold, (as God will
not let go of they who are His, He never gave up on me, and kept His Word,
which brought me back, even while I was throwing {figuritively, and
sometimes literally} the bird at Him)...
Thing is, the more Christians, without realizing it, interfered (thinking
they were witnessing for God) with what God was doing in my life, the more
angry and hateful I got, it was *after* I joined the Navy, and got as far
away from testifying believers, as one could get, that God had me all to
Himself, and caused me to return !
Don't get me wrong, the friends and family which I "escaped", never stopped
praying... Pray for them, and let go, and let God (Have some faith that He
is *big enough* to handle it without your help)
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| User: "Glenn \Christian Mystic" |
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14 Nov 2005 07:51:58 PM |
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"John Baker" <nunya@biziniz.net> wrote in message
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On Mon, 14 Nov 2005 16:05:18 -0600, "Glenn \(Christian Mystic\)"
<christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote:
"Richard Dawkins" <Dawkins@Hell.com> wrote in message
news:S1Tbf.37$aR2.4898@news.uswest.net...
"Glenn (Christian Mystic)" <christianmystic@ev1.net> wrote in message
news:11mvufuehkv0v37@corp.supernews.com...
"bloodyvikings" <spam@spam.not> wrote in message
news:mrudnQrPWMqlQ1TcRVnyrA@brightview.com...
Mark Earnest wrote:
It may seem like atheists and Christians cannot coexist
Of course we can.
Just don't mention religion.
And stay in our own newsgroups :-)
Glenn ,you forget that most atheists in these newsgroups are no more
atheists than they are God-haters.
Important difference.
What you really need to understand, Glenn, is that Ray Ambrosini (aka
"Richard Dawkins" and about three dozen others) is a liar, a troll and
an idiot.
Try as I may, unlike you, and a few others, I have not yet learned to master
the ability of mind reading...
To lie is to state something ones *believes* (which is in the mind of the
speaker) to be untrue, with the *motive* (another thing in the mind of the
speaker) of deception.
Now, I would consider the idea that Ray may be *wrong* about some things, or
may have opinions which I do not agree with, but until I can read minds, I
can't claim that he *lies*.
<snip>
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| User: "Randall Williams" |
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13 Nov 2005 07:57:06 PM |
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I thought this was a Bible study for Christians, not a place for literate
people to talk about stupid and ungodly statements. None of the people are
insane, its just a difference intermediation and study the KJV Bible. Guess
I will go somewhere else and try to find some true Christians
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| User: "John Baker" |
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22 Dec 2004 05:49:44 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 20:51:31 +0000, bloodyvikings <spam@spam.not>
wrote:
Mark Earnest wrote:
It may seem like atheists and Christians cannot coexist
Of course we can.
Just don't mention religion.
Atheists and Christians can easily coexist. Atheists and fundies,
however..... ;-)
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| User: "Christopher Benson-Manica" |
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22 Dec 2004 06:39:25 PM |
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In talk.atheism John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
Atheists and Christians can easily coexist. Atheists and fundies,
however..... ;-)
Fundamentalists of all varieties can only coexist with their own kind.
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Christopher Benson-Manica | I *should* know what I'm talking about - if I
ataru(at)cyberspace.org | don't, I need to know. Flames welcome.
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| User: "John Baker" |
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22 Dec 2004 10:45:42 PM |
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On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 00:39:25 +0000 (UTC), Christopher Benson-Manica
<ataru@nospam.cyberspace.org> wrote:
In talk.atheism John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
Atheists and Christians can easily coexist. Atheists and fundies,
however..... ;-)
Fundamentalists of all varieties can only coexist with their own kind.
Truer words have rarely been spoken. :-)
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| User: "bloodyvikings" |
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23 Dec 2004 01:47:19 AM |
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John Baker wrote:
On Thu, 23 Dec 2004 00:39:25 +0000 (UTC), Christopher Benson-Manica
<ataru@nospam.cyberspace.org> wrote:
In talk.atheism John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote:
Atheists and Christians can easily coexist. Atheists and fundies,
however..... ;-)
Fundamentalists of all varieties can only coexist with their own kind.
Truer words have rarely been spoken. :-)
Have to disagree - sorry.
Here's a fundamentalist who coexisted with others:
Galileo - almost the ultimate fundamentalist - coexisted not only with
the Vatican, but the inquisition. He kind of had to.
Science *is* fundamentalism, or it isn't science. It's religion, not
fundamentalism, that is the problem.
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| User: "raven1" |
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| Title: Re: Can Christians and Atheists Coexist? |
24 Dec 2004 08:13:53 AM |
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:41:23 -0600, "Mark Earnest"
<mark45@SPAMLESSairmail.net> wrote:
It may seem like atheists and Christians cannot coexist, since their views
on reality are so different. One has to see it to believe it, and the other
has to believe it to see it.
But I think that Christians and atheists just have to different and valid
perspectives of the same reality.
Atheists know that when the body is gone, the person does not exist in the
truest sense of the word. That is true, because how can one fully exist
without a body,
even if a spirit in some sense?
And Christians know that the spirit continues after death; they just do not
know that the continuation is not a full state of being alive.
After death, we exist, and yet we do not exist.
No wonder Christians and atheists are able to coexist in the work world.
The ironies of life.
Don't Bogart that joint, dude.
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| User: "Pastor Dave" |
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| Title: Re: Can Christians and Atheists Coexist? |
22 Dec 2004 06:40:31 PM |
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On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:41:23 -0600, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, "Mark Earnest"
<mark45@SPAMLESSairmail.net> pontificated:
It may seem like atheists and Christians cannot coexist, since their views
on reality are so different. One has to see it to believe it, and the other
has to believe it to see it.
But I think that Christians and atheists just have to different and valid
perspectives of the same reality.
Christian = There is a God.
Atheist = There is no God.
Sorry, they can't both be valid.
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Pastor Dave Raymond
"I have more understanding than all my teachers:
for thy testimonies are my meditation." - Psalm 119:99
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"And take the helmet of salvation, and the sword of
the Spirit, which is the word of God:" - Ephesians 6:17
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Can Christians and Atheists Coexist? |
22 Dec 2004 07:54:55 PM |
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"Pastor Dave" <newsgroupmail@nospam-tampabay.rr.com> wrote in message
news:2v4ks0ttp5do4rdf6vtgdissk6kbii70ub@4ax.com...
On Wed, 22 Dec 2004 12:41:23 -0600, while scaling the
Mt. Everest, "Mark Earnest"
<mark45@SPAMLESSairmail.net> pontificated:
It may seem like atheists and Christians cannot coexist, since their views
on reality are so different. One has to see it to believe it, and the
other
has to believe it to see it.
But I think that Christians and atheists just have to different and valid
perspectives of the same reality.
Christian = There is a God.
Atheist = There is no God.
Sorry, they can't both be valid.
In a way, God's existence does have to be proven for him to fully "be
there."
Every being requires to be known to fully exist.
This goes under the assumption that one has to fully be in order to truly
be.
So in a sense, the atheists are right.
God will one day be known, however, and then he will finally be, the way he
wants to fully be. It will be kind of like being in heaven for the first
time, relatively speaking, even for the Almighty, which is kind of like
just starting to exist.
See Revelation 12 for illustration of the child that gets caught up to
heaven.
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| User: "Christopher Benson-Manica" |
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| Title: Re: Can Christians and Atheists Coexist? |
22 Dec 2004 08:25:06 PM |
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In talk.atheism Mark Earnest <mark45@spamlessairmail.net> wrote:
Every being requires to be known to fully exist.
That's a rather absurd semantic distinction. What exists exists; what
is not known to exist is treated as though it does not.
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Christopher Benson-Manica | I *should* know what I'm talking about - if I
ataru(at)cyberspace.org | don't, I need to know. Flames welcome.
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| User: "Mark Earnest" |
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| Title: Re: Can Christians and Atheists Coexist? |
22 Dec 2004 08:36:13 PM |
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"Christopher Benson-Manica" <ataru@nospam.cyberspace.org> wrote in message
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In talk.atheism Mark Earnest <mark45@spamlessairmail.net> wrote:
Every being requires to be known to fully exist.
That's a rather absurd semantic distinction. What exists exists; what
is not known to exist is treated as though it does not.
Don't you think that the gods sometimes get lonely?
When they are forgotten, they are hardly gods at all.
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