Religions > Bible > CAN FUTURISTS (JOHN BOATWRIGHT AND DANIEL HALLIGAN) TELL TIME?
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24 Dec 2005 02:53:21 PM |
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CAN FUTURISTS (JOHN BOATWRIGHT AND DANIEL HALLIGAN) TELL TIME? |
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:33:32 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
In reality, I think you both can tell time, but your
vain desire for it to be all about you, won't let you
open your eyes to simple common sense.
So again, I'm going to have to repeat the SAME THING!
See below.
"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:43AD3577.36C@For-God.net...
Ananias917 wrote:
On 19 Dec 2005 03:33:17 -0800,
spake thusly:
* Why does SATAN need violence in the Israel?
"Pray for the peace of Jerusalem"
Why does SATAN need violence in the Israel?
Satan was defeated and has zero power. People do what
they do of themselves (James 1:14-15).
Nope, if you'd bother to actually read what James said:
Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the
devil, and he will flee from you.
If you're saying Satan has "zero power", then why did
James say to RESIST him?
You have yet to show, Dave, where Satan was bound for
1000 years. You insist he's been bound, but never show
any verse claiming such has occurred yet.
Good points...
I don't see where I used the word "bound" there.
This is exactly why I have this man, John Boatwright
in my kill file. Because no matter how many times
the same exact thing is pointed out to him, he keeps
repeating the same thing and keeps putting words
into my mouth!
Anyway...
They're not good points, when one points out that AGAIN
you people fail to take into account WHEN that was
written, which was BEFORE he would have been bound.
You also should take into account that you won't find
a verse saying that it has already happened, because
the Bible stopped being written, BEFORE IT HAPPENED!
You people need to STOP opening your Bibles and acting
like it was just written YESTERDAY, just for YOU and as
if time stood still, waiting for YOU to open your Bible
and read it!!!
Now as for what the Bible says...
"And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your
feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be
with you. Amen." - Romans 16:20
Note: YOUR feet. That does NOT mean "You people
in the 21st century". It means the people he wrote to!
Note: SHORTLY. That does NOT mean, "Thousands
of years, because John Boatwright and Daniel Halligan
haven't read it yet"!
It applies to the church in Rome and the people there
that he wrote it to, in that time! And it applied to
the other churches in that time, since Paul told them
to circulate his letters amongst the churches.
I.e., It applied to Christians in THAT TIME!
Unless you want to try to convince us that you didn't
write this message for us to see, but rather, really
meant for it to be read by a generation that won't
live for thousands of years yet?
Did Paul write letters to churches, because he really
wanted to ignore them, just to talk to YOU TWO?
The comments made by those people about Satan,
applied TO THEM!
If it had not happened yet and Jesus came down
tomorrow and said that He had bound Satan,
would you call Him a liar and hold up your Bible
to Him and tell Him it can't be, because your
Bible says it hasn't happen yet?
Of course not! That's because the Bible has a time
line for its statements. It applies UNTIL....
That does NOT mean, "Until John and Daniel
read it and then everything starts from that day".
Stop being SO VAIN and use your common sense!
Stop IGNORING this point every time I tell you this
and pretending that you don't already know better!
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
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| User: "Daniel & Annette Halligan" |
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| Title: Re: CAN FUTURISTS (JOHN BOATWRIGHT AND DANIEL HALLIGAN) TELL TIME? |
24 Dec 2005 03:35:37 PM |
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"Ananias917" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:91brq1tf1rs6eiomjgmeao0idqr82m6g56@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 12:33:32 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
In reality, I think you both can tell time, but your
vain desire for it to be all about you, won't let you
open your eyes to simple common sense.
So again, I'm going to have to repeat the SAME THING!
See below.
"John P. Boatwright" <name@For-God.net> wrote in message
news:43AD3577.36C@For-God.net...
Ananias917 wrote:
On 19 Dec 2005 03:33:17 -0800,
spake thusly:
* Why does SATAN need violence in the Israel?
"Pray for the peace of Jerusalem"
Why does SATAN need violence in the Israel?
Satan was defeated and has zero power. People do what
they do of themselves (James 1:14-15).
Nope, if you'd bother to actually read what James said:
Jas 4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the
devil, and he will flee from you.
If you're saying Satan has "zero power", then why did
James say to RESIST him?
You have yet to show, Dave, where Satan was bound for
1000 years. You insist he's been bound, but never show
any verse claiming such has occurred yet.
Good points...
I don't see where I used the word "bound" there.
This is exactly why I have this man, John Boatwright
in my kill file. Because no matter how many times
the same exact thing is pointed out to him, he keeps
repeating the same thing and keeps putting words
into my mouth!
Anyway...
They're not good points, when one points out that AGAIN
you people fail to take into account WHEN that was
written, which was BEFORE he would have been bound.
You also should take into account that you won't find
a verse saying that it has already happened, because
the Bible stopped being written, BEFORE IT HAPPENED!
You people need to STOP opening your Bibles and acting
like it was just written YESTERDAY, just for YOU and as
if time stood still, waiting for YOU to open your Bible
and read it!!!
Now as for what the Bible says...
"And the God of peace shall bruise Satan under your
feet shortly. The grace of our Lord Jesus Christ be
with you. Amen." - Romans 16:20
Note: YOUR feet. That does NOT mean "You people
in the 21st century". It means the people he wrote to!
Note: SHORTLY. That does NOT mean, "Thousands
of years, because John Boatwright and Daniel Halligan
haven't read it yet"!
It applies to the church in Rome and the people there
that he wrote it to, in that time! And it applied to
the other churches in that time, since Paul told them
to circulate his letters amongst the churches.
I.e., It applied to Christians in THAT TIME!
Unless you want to try to convince us that you didn't
write this message for us to see, but rather, really
meant for it to be read by a generation that won't
live for thousands of years yet?
Did Paul write letters to churches, because he really
wanted to ignore them, just to talk to YOU TWO?
The comments made by those people about Satan,
applied TO THEM!
If it had not happened yet and Jesus came down
tomorrow and said that He had bound Satan,
would you call Him a liar and hold up your Bible
to Him and tell Him it can't be, because your
Bible says it hasn't happen yet?
Of course not! That's because the Bible has a time
line for its statements. It applies UNTIL....
That does NOT mean, "Until John and Daniel
read it and then everything starts from that day".
Stop being SO VAIN and use your common sense!
Stop IGNORING this point every time I tell you this
and pretending that you don't already know better!
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
I do not wish to be put in your killfile. I think you have good points and I
believe we have good points. I also believe that it is healthy to cover both
sides of the issues. This is very bentificial for the group. It allows us to
all examine what we believe and use the free will God gave us. What we
decided to believe in our hearts is our decicion, and when we stand before
God we will have to account for what we believe. We are all Christians
here. And we all believe what we believe about Gods word. We all believe
that the Word is true, and isn't that what will really matter when we stand
before Him. He does not say that only those who understand and see the true
meaning of the prophesy will be saved. We as Christians are looking for the
truth all the time. That is the power God gave us, to always seek Him. I
hope that we don't turn these disussions into a war among ourselves, but
rather examine what we believe. I enjoy these discussions. And I hope others
do as well.
Daniel
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| User: "Ananias917" |
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| Title: Re: CAN FUTURISTS (JOHN BOATWRIGHT AND DANIEL HALLIGAN) TELL TIME? |
24 Dec 2005 06:45:03 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:35:37 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
I do not wish to be put in your killfile. I think you have good points and I
believe we have good points.
If you are telling me that it couldn't have happened
yet, because the Bible says so and you then point me
to a letter that was written to people who are now
long dead, that said it would happen "soon", which
would be from THEIR frame of reference, how could
you have a "good point"?
ALL LETTERS EVERYWHERE should be read with
WHEN they wrote it at the forefront of our thoughts.
NO SCHOLAR EVER reads an ancient writing and
IGNORES the WHEN of it.
If it was ANY OTHER LETTER, you would NOT
have ignored the fact that it was written thousands
of years ago, to SOMEONE IN PARTICULAR.
If someone finds a letter that was written TO ME,
that says that "Soon, I will come and visit you Dave",
should they assume that the clock starts ticking
from the time THEY read it, thousands of years
later and that this person will be coming to visit
me soon, from THEIR point of time, even though
I'm DEAD?
THAT is EXACTLY what you and John are doing
and THAT was my point! Surely you CAN see that?
I also believe that it is healthy to cover
both sides of the issues.
I agree wholeheartedly! And I am willing to cover both
sides of it.
You need to stop forgetting the thing that I told you,
which is that I DID NOT always believe what I do.
I spent YEARS studying YOUR VIEWS. I am NOT
some newby that needs to have these views explained
to me. THAT is another point I have made!
So if you want to talk about these things, fine.
But do NOT throw common sense out the window
and substitute vain desire and ignorance for
common sense. How could Paul possibly be speaking
to US NOW, when he wrote it almost two thousand
years ago, TO SOMEONE and said "SOON" it
would happen for THEM?
I welcome anyone who can put a chink in my doctrine.
It sharpens me and causes me to examine what it is
I believe.
It seems that futurists are unwilling to do this. They
ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to acknowledge anything,
no matter how much sense it makes, if it interferes
with God putting the Bible together just for THEM
AND THEIR generation! And that is truly sad! (:
For example, do I see you posting that what I wrote
to you is correct, even though it would defy logic
for what I said to be incorrect? It's not that I am
always correct. I make mistakes, like anyone else.
But what I wrote in my last message cannot be
refuted. It is simple logic and common sense,
to understand that when a writer says, "YOU"
and addresses his letter to a person, or group
of people, that he means THEM. So when he tells
THEM, "SOON", what does he mean?
HE MEANS "SOON" FOR "THEM"!!! :)
Now Paul did not say this as a "maybe", which is the
next copout that the futurists will use. They will try
to convince me that Paul wasn't sure and just thought
that maybe it would happen in their time.
BUT THAT IS THE FUTURISTS BEING DISHONEST!!!
Paul did NOT leave it as a "maybe". He said it WOULD
happen and that it would happen to THEM, SOON!
Either the Bible is right, or it is wrong. Don't tell
me that you choose to believe that the Bible is right
and then tell me that Paul was wrong! THAT IS
DISHONEST!!!
So the next copout is that it isn't that important of
an issue and so, it doesn't really matter anyway.
The truth is, besides initial salvation, IT WAS THE
VERY HEART OF THE NT WRITINGS!!!
IT WAS *_THE KEY ISSUE_* of the NT!!!
And the futurists spend most of their time on THIS
SPECIFIC ISSUE, SO YES, IT IS IMPORTANT AND
THE FUTURISTS KNOW IT !!!!!
So if everybody wants to be so honest, then why do
the futurists keep making their claims and then
play dodge ball? Hmmmmm???
You think about that and please, don't waste my time
telling me that doesn't happen, or that they don't
realize they're doing it, because I know better and so
do they, since they do it in response to the same
message in which I point out the dodge they just used!
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
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| User: "Daniel & Annette Halligan" |
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| Title: Re: CAN FUTURISTS (JOHN BOATWRIGHT AND DANIEL HALLIGAN) TELL TIME? |
24 Dec 2005 10:56:39 PM |
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"Ananias917" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:frprq1h95d8qduefeab0jqku352kse00dp@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:35:37 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
I do not wish to be put in your killfile. I think you have good points
and I
believe we have good points.
If you are telling me that it couldn't have happened
yet, because the Bible says so and you then point me
to a letter that was written to people who are now
long dead, that said it would happen "soon", which
would be from THEIR frame of reference, how could
you have a "good point"?
What is soon in Gods eyes? 1year , 2 years or 2000 years. (a day is like a
thousand years, a thousand years like a day)
ALL LETTERS EVERYWHERE should be read with
WHEN they wrote it at the forefront of our thoughts.
NO SCHOLAR EVER reads an ancient writing and
IGNORES the WHEN of it.
God has a different timetable then we do. Who are we to interpret His
timetable?
If it was ANY OTHER LETTER, you would NOT
have ignored the fact that it was written thousands
of years ago, to SOMEONE IN PARTICULAR.
If someone finds a letter that was written TO ME,
that says that "Soon, I will come and visit you Dave",
should they assume that the clock starts ticking
from the time THEY read it, thousands of years
later and that this person will be coming to visit
me soon, from THEIR point of time, even though
I'm DEAD?
THAT is EXACTLY what you and John are doing
and THAT was my point! Surely you CAN see that?
I do see your point, really. I am looking at the scripture as though God
Himself wrote it. That's all. And I don't think we can set a time on Gods
timetable.
I also believe that it is healthy to cover
both sides of the issues.
I agree wholeheartedly! And I am willing to cover both
sides of it.
You need to stop forgetting the thing that I told you,
which is that I DID NOT always believe what I do.
I spent YEARS studying YOUR VIEWS. I am NOT
some newby that needs to have these views explained
to me. THAT is another point I have made!
I understand and I am not saying that you are a nobody. Would I keep
debating with you if I felt you were a nobody? No. I fully understand your
points. They are not new. People have been debating back and forth for
years. I am not knocking you for your beliefs. No No No. Please don't think
I am. I should give you a bit of my background. Maybe I did once, I don't
remember. I once was a member of a Lutheran Church for about 3-4 years or
so. They taught the 70 AD view and we debated back and forth in bible study
quite a bit. It was very interesting to me, because I never heard that view
before. We ran into many road blocks along the way that could not be
explained. But we always left as friends. So you see I do understand your
view. Please don't feel I think you are something less then you really are.
I respect your view. Even though sometimes it doesn't look like it.
Daniel
So if you want to talk about these things, fine.
But do NOT throw common sense out the window
and substitute vain desire and ignorance for
common sense. How could Paul possibly be speaking
to US NOW, when he wrote it almost two thousand
years ago, TO SOMEONE and said "SOON" it
would happen for THEM?
I welcome anyone who can put a chink in my doctrine.
It sharpens me and causes me to examine what it is
I believe.
It seems that futurists are unwilling to do this. They
ABSOLUTELY REFUSE to acknowledge anything,
no matter how much sense it makes, if it interferes
with God putting the Bible together just for THEM
AND THEIR generation! And that is truly sad! (:
For example, do I see you posting that what I wrote
to you is correct, even though it would defy logic
for what I said to be incorrect? It's not that I am
always correct. I make mistakes, like anyone else.
But what I wrote in my last message cannot be
refuted. It is simple logic and common sense,
to understand that when a writer says, "YOU"
and addresses his letter to a person, or group
of people, that he means THEM. So when he tells
THEM, "SOON", what does he mean?
See this is what I mean, WE all make mistakes. We are all only human. I make
mistakes too. I will be the first to admit it. See you are honest. This is
why I keep debating with you.
HE MEANS "SOON" FOR "THEM"!!! :)
Now Paul did not say this as a "maybe", which is the
next copout that the futurists will use. They will try
to convince me that Paul wasn't sure and just thought
that maybe it would happen in their time.
BUT THAT IS THE FUTURISTS BEING DISHONEST!!!
Paul did NOT leave it as a "maybe". He said it WOULD
happen and that it would happen to THEM, SOON!
Either the Bible is right, or it is wrong. Don't tell
me that you choose to believe that the Bible is right
and then tell me that Paul was wrong! THAT IS
DISHONEST!!!
Never would I say that Paul was wrong. That is for those that feel the Bible
has errors. I don't believe like they do.
So the next copout is that it isn't that important of
an issue and so, it doesn't really matter anyway.
The truth is, besides initial salvation, IT WAS THE
VERY HEART OF THE NT WRITINGS!!!
IT WAS *_THE KEY ISSUE_* of the NT!!!
And the futurists spend most of their time on THIS
SPECIFIC ISSUE, SO YES, IT IS IMPORTANT AND
THE FUTURISTS KNOW IT !!!!!
So if everybody wants to be so honest, then why do
the futurists keep making their claims and then
play dodge ball? Hmmmmm???
I have tryed to get others to get along it doesn't work. I just want to sit
and debate ideas and understandings together without fighting. So that we
can at the end of the day depart in peace. In this we are failing. Like I
said before There was a time when two different opinions could sit down show
their opinions to one another and leave the table friends. Fighting leads to
fighting and nothing gets accomplished.
You think about that and please, don't waste my time
telling me that doesn't happen, or that they don't
realize they're doing it, because I know better and so
do they, since they do it in response to the same
message in which I point out the dodge they just used!
You are very much right. See we do agree on things
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
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| User: "Ananias917" |
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| Title: Re: CAN FUTURISTS (JOHN BOATWRIGHT AND DANIEL HALLIGAN) TELL TIME? |
25 Dec 2005 12:07:27 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:56:39 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
"Ananias917" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:frprq1h95d8qduefeab0jqku352kse00dp@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:35:37 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
I do not wish to be put in your killfile. I think you have good points
and I
believe we have good points.
If you are telling me that it couldn't have happened
yet, because the Bible says so and you then point me
to a letter that was written to people who are now
long dead, that said it would happen "soon", which
would be from THEIR frame of reference, how could
you have a "good point"?
What is soon in Gods eyes? 1year , 2 years or 2000 years. (a day is like a
thousand years, a thousand years like a day)
I'm going to stop right here. Now you're playing
games. Paul did not say, "Soon in God's time".
Paul said, "soon" and he wrote that to HUMANS
and said it applied to THEM.
Tome means nothing to God, but it does mean
something to humans and when God gives man
a time frame, then man can count on that time
frame. And God inspired Paul to tell THOSE
PEOPLE, that it was coming SOON and that
it would happen to THEM.
Nothing you say is going to erase those words!
If you can't be honest about the language used,
then I don't wish to have any discussions with you.
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
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| User: "Daniel & Annette Halligan" |
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| Title: Re: CAN FUTURISTS (JOHN BOATWRIGHT AND DANIEL HALLIGAN) TELL TIME? |
25 Dec 2005 02:30:04 PM |
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"Ananias917" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:56:39 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
"Ananias917" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:frprq1h95d8qduefeab0jqku352kse00dp@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:35:37 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
I do not wish to be put in your killfile. I think you have good points
and I
believe we have good points.
If you are telling me that it couldn't have happened
yet, because the Bible says so and you then point me
to a letter that was written to people who are now
long dead, that said it would happen "soon", which
would be from THEIR frame of reference, how could
you have a "good point"?
What is soon in Gods eyes? 1year , 2 years or 2000 years. (a day is like
a
thousand years, a thousand years like a day)
I'm going to stop right here. Now you're playing
games. Paul did not say, "Soon in God's time".
Paul said, "soon" and he wrote that to HUMANS
and said it applied to THEM.
How long did it take for Isaiah's prophecy of His first advent take before
it was fulfilled? They were told in Isaiah's time that Christ was coming.
Did it happen right then and there?
Tome means nothing to God, but it does mean
something to humans and when God gives man
a time frame, then man can count on that time
frame. And God inspired Paul to tell THOSE
PEOPLE, that it was coming SOON and that
it would happen to THEM.
Nothing you say is going to erase those words!
If you can't be honest about the language used,
then I don't wish to have any discussions with you.
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
.
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| User: "David Chariot" |
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| Title: Re: CAN FUTURISTS (JOHN BOATWRIGHT AND DANIEL HALLIGAN) TELL TIME? |
25 Dec 2005 04:57:06 PM |
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Daniel & Annette Halligan wrote:
"Ananias917" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:56:39 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
"Ananias917" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:frprq1h95d8qduefeab0jqku352kse00dp@4ax.com...
On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:35:37 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
I do not wish to be put in your killfile. I think you have good points
and I
believe we have good points.
If you are telling me that it couldn't have happened
yet, because the Bible says so and you then point me
to a letter that was written to people who are now
long dead, that said it would happen "soon", which
would be from THEIR frame of reference, how could
you have a "good point"?
What is soon in Gods eyes? 1year , 2 years or 2000 years. (a day is like
a
thousand years, a thousand years like a day)
I'm going to stop right here. Now you're playing
games. Paul did not say, "Soon in God's time".
Paul said, "soon" and he wrote that to HUMANS
and said it applied to THEM.
How long did it take for Isaiah's prophecy of His first advent take before
it was fulfilled? They were told in Isaiah's time that Christ was coming.
Did it happen right then and there?
What about this Prophecy in <> Deuteronomy 18:18?
Tome means nothing to God, but it does mean
something to humans and when God gives man
a time frame, then man can count on that time
frame. And God inspired Paul to tell THOSE
PEOPLE, that it was coming SOON and that
it would happen to THEM.
Nothing you say is going to erase those words!
If you can't be honest about the language used,
then I don't wish to have any discussions with you.
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
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25 Dec 2005 11:29:54 PM |
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On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 14:30:04 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
Paul said, "soon" and he wrote that to HUMANS
and said it applied to THEM.
How long did it take for Isaiah's prophecy of His first advent take before
it was fulfilled? They were told in Isaiah's time that Christ was coming.
Did it happen right then and there?
You're playing games again. Isaiah did not say
it would happen to the people right then and there.
PAUL DID!!!
It is obvious that you are either extremely stupid,
or you don't have an honest bone in your body.
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
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| User: "Daniel & Annette Halligan" |
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| Title: Re: CAN FUTURISTS (JOHN BOATWRIGHT AND DANIEL HALLIGAN) TELL TIME? |
26 Dec 2005 10:44:00 AM |
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"Ananias917" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dsvuq11in00j4nc9gngg5cb219frg5gl2l@4ax.com...
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 14:30:04 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
Paul said, "soon" and he wrote that to HUMANS
and said it applied to THEM.
How long did it take for Isaiah's prophecy of His first advent take
before
it was fulfilled? They were told in Isaiah's time that Christ was coming.
Did it happen right then and there?
You're playing games again. Isaiah did not say
it would happen to the people right then and there.
PAUL DID!!!
It is obvious that you are either extremely stupid,
or you don't have an honest bone in your body.
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
Paul repeatedly stated, Be ready, be watchfull. What would be the benifit of
saying this to them? If they new for a fact that it was going to happen
THEN, then they would all be ready. Christ said He would come as a theif in
the night. when you least expect it. He wants us to be ready because we love
Him not for what we will get out of it. He put no guarantees that it would
happen for them, only that it would soon happen. And if they die of old age
they will still see these things happen. For when we die we will know all
things and see all things. (1 Corinthians 13:12) For now we see through a
glass, darkly; but then face to face: now I know in part; but then shall I
know even as also I am known.
Daniel
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| Title: Re: CAN FUTURISTS (JOHN BOATWRIGHT AND DANIEL HALLIGAN) TELL TIME? |
26 Dec 2005 10:56:58 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:44:00 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
"Ananias917" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dsvuq11in00j4nc9gngg5cb219frg5gl2l@4ax.com...
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 14:30:04 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
Paul said, "soon" and he wrote that to HUMANS
and said it applied to THEM.
How long did it take for Isaiah's prophecy of His first advent take
before
it was fulfilled? They were told in Isaiah's time that Christ was coming.
Did it happen right then and there?
You're playing games again. Isaiah did not say
it would happen to the people right then and there.
PAUL DID!!!
It is obvious that you are either extremely stupid,
or you don't have an honest bone in your body.
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
Paul repeatedly stated, Be ready, be watchfull. What would be the benifit of
saying this to them? If they new for a fact that it was going to happen
THEN, then they would all be ready.
So that they could be watchful.
This is how ridiculous you are! You believe that the
prophecies of the Bible are being fulfilled now. You
tune into Hal Lindsay, because he tells you all about
how this is the generation and we need to watch,
BECAUSE we are THE generation. Then you ask
me a question like this.
Christ said He would come as a theif in
the night. when you least expect it.
And yet, here you are, expecting it. So by your own
logic, He can't come in your generation, because
you're expecting it.
Thank you for proving that Jesus cannot be coming
in this generation. :)
In fact, He can't come in ANY generation, because
they will ALL expect it!
The fact is, you're playing your stupid word games
again! You think that you can convince me of
something, yet you are dodging what Paul said.
Paul told THEM that it was going to happen to THEM.
Now either Paul was right, or there is a false teaching
in the Bible.
And don't even bother trying to tell me that it doesn't
mean there is an error! You people will LIE ABOUT
ANYTHING to hang on to your FALSE doctrines!
This issue, aside form initial salvation IS THE KEY
ISSUE of the Bible, throughout! And it happening
in the first century, was taught by Christ and by
the Apostles. Now either they are right, or the
Bible promotes a FALSE TEACHING.
Take your pick, but STOP PLAYING YOUR GAMES!!!
Paul said it would HAPPEN SOON and he said it would
happen TO THEM!!!
Now believe the Bible, or find a new religion! I will
not play these word games with you again, where
YOU DODGE what the Bible says and give your
philosophical horse crap!
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
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| User: "Daniel & Annette Halligan" |
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| Title: Re: CAN FUTURISTS (JOHN BOATWRIGHT AND DANIEL HALLIGAN) TELL TIME? |
26 Dec 2005 12:26:11 PM |
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"Ananias917" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:op70r15sqhbj491lfq2jpaad7gphiibsv4@4ax.com...
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:44:00 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
"Ananias917" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dsvuq11in00j4nc9gngg5cb219frg5gl2l@4ax.com...
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 14:30:04 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
Paul said, "soon" and he wrote that to HUMANS
and said it applied to THEM.
How long did it take for Isaiah's prophecy of His first advent take
before
it was fulfilled? They were told in Isaiah's time that Christ was
coming.
Did it happen right then and there?
You're playing games again. Isaiah did not say
it would happen to the people right then and there.
PAUL DID!!!
It is obvious that you are either extremely stupid,
or you don't have an honest bone in your body.
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
Paul repeatedly stated, Be ready, be watchfull. What would be the benifit
of
saying this to them? If they new for a fact that it was going to happen
THEN, then they would all be ready.
So that they could be watchful.
This is how ridiculous you are! You believe that the
prophecies of the Bible are being fulfilled now. You
tune into Hal Lindsay, because he tells you all about
how this is the generation and we need to watch,
BECAUSE we are THE generation. Then you ask
me a question like this.
Christ said He would come as a theif in
the night. when you least expect it.
And yet, here you are, expecting it. So by your own
logic, He can't come in your generation, because
you're expecting it.
No He could come and will come as He said. But I'm not going to live my life
good because He will come today. But rather He could come today. I wish to
live my life because I love Him. Not just because He is coming. If we live
our lives just to get something. Where is the love? The faithfulness? That
is like a child that wants a cookie. He learns real fast how to get it now.
But does not learn patients. If the child was told you will get the cookie
in two weeks if you are good. That child will have a fit and will not
listen. We as humans expect things now and learn no patients. God knows
this. We should live our lives as though it could happen today. But should
also understand that it may not be time yet. He is a patient God. Are we
patient sheep?
Thank you for proving that Jesus cannot be coming
in this generation. :)
In fact, He can't come in ANY generation, because
they will ALL expect it!
The fact is, you're playing your stupid word games
again! You think that you can convince me of
something, yet you are dodging what Paul said.
Paul told THEM that it was going to happen to THEM.
Now either Paul was right, or there is a false teaching
in the Bible.
And don't even bother trying to tell me that it doesn't
mean there is an error! You people will LIE ABOUT
ANYTHING to hang on to your FALSE doctrines!
This issue, aside form initial salvation IS THE KEY
ISSUE of the Bible, throughout! And it happening
in the first century, was taught by Christ and by
the Apostles. Now either they are right, or the
Bible promotes a FALSE TEACHING.
Take your pick, but STOP PLAYING YOUR GAMES!!!
Paul said it would HAPPEN SOON and he said it would
happen TO THEM!!!
Now believe the Bible, or find a new religion! I will
not play these word games with you again, where
YOU DODGE what the Bible says and give your
philosophical horse crap!
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
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| User: "Ananias917" |
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| Title: Re: CAN FUTURISTS (JOHN BOATWRIGHT AND DANIEL HALLIGAN) TELL TIME? |
27 Dec 2005 10:12:58 AM |
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On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 12:26:11 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
And yet, here you are, expecting it. So by your own
logic, He can't come in your generation, because
you're expecting it.
No He could come and will come as He said. But I'm not going to live my life
good because He will come today.
You're not being honest. You thrive on this end times
stuff. I see it in your posts. And your so called
logic was refuted and once again, you have dodged
the issue.
Is someone who dodges what the Bible says, because
they don't like the answer, a person who is doing
God's work?
Do you believe the Bible or not?
You did not answer the question.
Paul said it would HAPPEN SOON and he said
it would happen TO THEM.
Was Paul right, or was he wrong?
I am still waiting for an answer.
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
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| Title: Re: CAN FUTURISTS (JOHN BOATWRIGHT AND DANIEL HALLIGAN) TELL TIME? |
12 Jan 2006 07:56:11 PM |
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Ananias917 <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message ...
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:44:00 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
"Ananias917" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dsvuq11in00j4nc9gngg5cb219frg5gl2l@4ax.com...
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 14:30:04 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
Paul said, "soon" and he wrote that to HUMANS
and said it applied to THEM.
How long did it take for Isaiah's prophecy of His first advent take
before
it was fulfilled? They were told in Isaiah's time that Christ was
coming.
Did it happen right then and there?
You're playing games again. Isaiah did not say
it would happen to the people right then and there.
PAUL DID!!!
Paul did not. You need to look at all of the scriptures. Paul wrote ealier
in another epistle, before he wrote soon, that you should not be troubled by
an epistle as from them that the day of the Lord was at hand or near to
come. He went on to say that the day cannot happen until there is a falling
away (apostacy) and the man of sin (evil ruler of Dan. 11 or antichrist) is
revealed. So do what Paul said in the first epistle and don't allow that
word soon to trouble you.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our
Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,
2 Thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled,
neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of
Christ is at hand.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day
shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin
be revealed, the son of perdition;
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is
called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple
of God, shewing himself that he is God.
So I will do what Paul said (2 Thess 2:3) and not let you deceive me by any
means.
It is obvious that you are either extremely stupid,
or you don't have an honest bone in your body.
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
Paul repeatedly stated, Be ready, be watchfull. What would be the benifit
of
saying this to them? If they new for a fact that it was going to happen
THEN, then they would all be ready.
So that they could be watchful.
This is how ridiculous you are! You believe that the
prophecies of the Bible are being fulfilled now. You
tune into Hal Lindsay, because he tells you all about
how this is the generation and we need to watch,
BECAUSE we are THE generation. Then you ask
me a question like this.
Christ said He would come as a theif in
the night. when you least expect it.
And yet, here you are, expecting it. So by your own
logic, He can't come in your generation, because
you're expecting it.
Thank you for proving that Jesus cannot be coming
in this generation. :)
In fact, He can't come in ANY generation, because
they will ALL expect it!
The fact is, you're playing your stupid word games
again! You think that you can convince me of
something, yet you are dodging what Paul said.
Paul told THEM that it was going to happen to THEM.
Now either Paul was right, or there is a false teaching
in the Bible.
And don't even bother trying to tell me that it doesn't
mean there is an error! You people will LIE ABOUT
ANYTHING to hang on to your FALSE doctrines!
This issue, aside form initial salvation IS THE KEY
ISSUE of the Bible, throughout! And it happening
in the first century, was taught by Christ and by
the Apostles. Now either they are right, or the
Bible promotes a FALSE TEACHING.
Take your pick, but STOP PLAYING YOUR GAMES!!!
Paul said it would HAPPEN SOON and he said it would
happen TO THEM!!!
Now believe the Bible, or find a new religion! I will
not play these word games with you again, where
YOU DODGE what the Bible says and give your
philosophical horse crap!
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
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12 Jan 2006 08:32:59 PM |
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
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Ananias917 <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message ...
On Mon, 26 Dec 2005 10:44:00 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
"Ananias917" <_-_Ananias917_-_@gmail.com> wrote in message
news:dsvuq11in00j4nc9gngg5cb219frg5gl2l@4ax.com...
On Sun, 25 Dec 2005 14:30:04 -0600, "Daniel & Annette
Halligan" <Penguin@cybrzn.com> spake thusly:
Paul said, "soon" and he wrote that to HUMANS
and said it applied to THEM.
How long did it take for Isaiah's prophecy of His first advent take
before
it was fulfilled? They were told in Isaiah's time that Christ was
coming.
Did it happen right then and there?
You're playing games again. Isaiah did not say
it would happen to the people right then and there.
PAUL DID!!!
Paul did not. You need to look at all of the scriptures. Paul wrote ealier
in another epistle, before he wrote soon, that you should not be troubled
by
an epistle as from them that the day of the Lord was at hand or near to
come. He went on to say that the day cannot happen until there is a
falling
away (apostacy) and the man of sin (evil ruler of Dan. 11 or antichrist)
is
revealed. So do what Paul said in the first epistle and don't allow that
word soon to trouble you.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our
Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,
2 Thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled,
neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day
of
Christ is at hand.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day
shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of
sin
be revealed, the son of perdition;
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is
called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple
of God, shewing himself that he is God.
So I will do what Paul said (2 Thess 2:3) and not let you deceive me by
any
means.
Amen!!!!!
_____________________________
Pray For Peace In God's Holy Land.
********* ISRAEL *************
_____________________________
Daniel & Annette Halligan
It is obvious that you are either extremely stupid,
or you don't have an honest bone in your body.
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
Paul repeatedly stated, Be ready, be watchfull. What would be the
benifit
of
saying this to them? If they new for a fact that it was going to
happen
THEN, then they would all be ready.
So that they could be watchful.
This is how ridiculous you are! You believe that the
prophecies of the Bible are being fulfilled now. You
tune into Hal Lindsay, because he tells you all about
how this is the generation and we need to watch,
BECAUSE we are THE generation. Then you ask
me a question like this.
Christ said He would come as a theif in
the night. when you least expect it.
And yet, here you are, expecting it. So by your own
logic, He can't come in your generation, because
you're expecting it.
Thank you for proving that Jesus cannot be coming
in this generation. :)
In fact, He can't come in ANY generation, because
they will ALL expect it!
The fact is, you're playing your stupid word games
again! You think that you can convince me of
something, yet you are dodging what Paul said.
Paul told THEM that it was going to happen to THEM.
Now either Paul was right, or there is a false teaching
in the Bible.
And don't even bother trying to tell me that it doesn't
mean there is an error! You people will LIE ABOUT
ANYTHING to hang on to your FALSE doctrines!
This issue, aside form initial salvation IS THE KEY
ISSUE of the Bible, throughout! And it happening
in the first century, was taught by Christ and by
the Apostles. Now either they are right, or the
Bible promotes a FALSE TEACHING.
Take your pick, but STOP PLAYING YOUR GAMES!!!
Paul said it would HAPPEN SOON and he said it would
happen TO THEM!!!
Now believe the Bible, or find a new religion! I will
not play these word games with you again, where
YOU DODGE what the Bible says and give your
philosophical horse crap!
--
"And Ananias went his way, and entered into the house;
and putting his hands on him said, Brother Saul, the
Lord, even Jesus, that appeared unto thee in the way
as thou camest, hath sent me, that thou mightest
receive thy sight, and be filled with the Holy Ghost."
- Acts 9:17
Would a loving God send people to Hell?
http://godandscience.org/apologetics/hell.html
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| Title: Re: CAN FUTURISTS (JOHN BOATWRIGHT AND DANIEL HALLIGAN) TELL TIME? |
13 Jan 2006 09:06:03 AM |
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On 13 Jan 2006 01:56:11 GMT, "stone"
<antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> spake thusly:
You're playing games again. Isaiah did not say
it would happen to the people right then and there.
PAUL DID!!!
Paul did not. You need to look at all of the scriptures. Paul wrote ealier
in another epistle, before he wrote soon, that you should not be troubled by
an epistle as from them that the day of the Lord was at hand or near to
come.
You just added your own words to the Bible.
Paul did not say, "or near to come".
You are also completely ignoring the dating
of the different letters in the NT and you are
acting as if they were all written on the same
day. They were not. They span a couple of
decades.
2 Thessalonians 2:1 Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our
Lord Jesus Christ, and [by] our gathering together unto him,
2 Thessalonians 2:2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled,
neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of
Christ is at hand.
AT HAND. That does not mean it is not near.
2 Thessalonians 2:3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for [that day
shall not come], except there come a falling away first, and that man of sin
be revealed, the son of perdition;
Paul wrote this before Nero started the tribulation.
A falling away signifies that they were not true
Christians anyway. And John later wrote that
the falling away was occurring...
1 John 2:18-19
18) Little children, it is the last time: and as ye
have heard that antichrist shall come, even now
are there many antichrists; whereby we know
that it is the last time.
19) They went out from us, but they were not of
us: for if they had been of us, they would no doubt
have continued with us: but they went out, that they
might be made manifest that they were not all of us.
There is your falling away. And John said, "it is
the last time". What now?
So yes, the NT clearly taught it was "near" and about
to happen and by your own implied admission, you
know that if it says that, your "thousands of years
later" case falls apart.
Now, when we get to Revelation, which was written
just before 70 AD, then we see...
"Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear
the words of this prophecy, and keep those things
which are written therein: for the time is AT HAND."
- Revelation 1:3
Note that those who heard the words of the prophecy
lived in the first century. They didn't seal it away
until now, in 2006. And it says, "AT HAND".
And in Peter, which was written late, probably
in the late 50's - 60's AD says...
"But the end of all things is AT HAND: be ye therefore
sober, and watch unto prayer." - 1 Peter 4:7
2 Thessalonians 2:4 Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is
called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple
of God, shewing himself that he is God.
So I will do what Paul said (2 Thess 2:3) and not let you deceive me by any
means.
It is your doctrine that deceives you and you do not
take into account all that the Bible has to say,
because your vanity can't let you understand that
it doesn't have to be all about you, for the Bible to
be of great value to you. And you need to take into
account all of what Paul said about these things.
So let's see what else Paul taught that same church,
in the same letter. Then let's completely dispel this
idea that people have about the passages above.
First, some other quotes from the first letter, which
came before the second letter and which shows that
it is clear that Paul was teaching that Jesus would
return in their lifetime (at least some of them would
still be alive)...
"For what is our hope, or joy, or crown of rejoicing?
Are not even ye in the presence of our Lord Jesus
Christ at his coming?" - 1 Thessalonians 2:19
They (the Thessalonians) would be in the presence
of the Lord Jesus, AT HIS COMING.
Think that could mean that they would be returning
with Jesus, as part of the saints that would be coming
with Him? Read on...
1 Thessalonians 3:12-13
12) And the Lord make you to increase and abound
in love one toward another, and toward all men,
even as we do toward you:
13) To the end he may establish your hearts unblamable
in holiness before God, even our Father, at the coming
of our Lord Jesus Christ with all his saints.
They (the Thessalonians) would be "unblamable"
at the coming of the Lord Jesus, with all His saints.
Note, it does not say that they would come WITH
Jesus, as part of the saints, but rather, that they
would be unblamable, AT HIS COMING, when
He brought the saints with Him.
"But ye, brethren, are not in darkness, that that day
should overtake you as a thief."
- 1 Thessalonians 5:5
Note that Paul told THEM that the day would not
overtake THEM as a thief.
"And to you who are troubled rest with us, when
the Lord Jesus shall be revealed from heaven with
his mighty angels," - 2 Thessalonians 1:7
Note, that those who are troubled in that church
in Thessalonica) would rest with them (the Apostles)
when Jesus returned.
Now before commenting in your mind, or getting ready
to respond to me by telling me that this may simply
mean whomever is alive at the time He returns, you
must first understand and acknowledge that this letter
was written as a response to a letter that they wrote
to Paul. That means that Paul was responding to the
Thessalonians, answering THEIR questions, NOT ours.
When he uses the word "you", he means it directed
toward the people he is writing to. Would you write
a letter to someone, answering their questions and
then when they read it, expect them to think that it
really means someone thousands of years in the future?
Of course not, so why expect that here? :)
And let me ask you this... when I am posting this
message and I just asked YOU if YOU would write a
letter like that, did you think I was really addressing
people thousands of years from now? Of course not.
So read it as it's written and not as you want it to
read, due to wanting it to be all about you.
--
"Verily I say unto you, This generation shall not pass,
till all these things be fulfilled." - Matthew 24:34
"Let your moderation be known unto all men.
The Lord is AT HAND" - Philippians 4:5
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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| Title: Re: CAN FUTURISTS (JOHN BOATWRIGHT AND DANIEL HALLIGAN) TELL TIME? |
24 Dec 2005 11:09:37 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 22:56:39 -0600, "Daniel & Annette Halligan"
<Penguin@cybrzn.com> wrote:
I am looking at the scripture as though God Himself wrote it.
The Holy Bible (KJV)
Author: God
Copyright: God
ISBN: 7777777777
Translations: God
Errors: God
Commentaries: God
Email:
Price: $50 US
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| User: "Saint Zombie" |
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| Title: Re: CAN FUTURISTS (JOHN BOATWRIGHT AND DANIEL HALLIGAN) TELL TIME? |
24 Dec 2005 11:21:57 PM |
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On Sat, 24 Dec 2005 15:35:37 -0600, "Daniel & Annette Halligan"
<Penguin@cybrzn.com> wrote:
I do not wish to be put in your killfile.
When you know some Truth, then he will put you in his killfile.
But for the time being, make sure you have plenty of diapers.
Poo poo was meant to be buried. Not to be seen again. Bye!!!
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| User: "John P. Boatwright" |
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| Title: Pastor Dave claims Satan was already bound for 1000 years, and no tears in Jerusalem, lions not eating their pray, etc... Re: CAN FUTURISTS (JOHN BOATWRIGHT AND DANIEL HALLIGAN) TELL TIME? |
31 Dec 2005 02:31:44 AM |
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Ananias917 wrote:
They're not good points, when one points out that AGAIN
you people fail to take into account WHEN that was
written, which was BEFORE he would have been bound.
Uhm... why don't you point out when Satan was bound there
Pastor Dave.
In 580 BC, Joshua was resisting Satan... so he wasn't bound
then... so when do you claim Satan was bound?
70 AD?
And people stopped crying then?
What about all those suicide bombers victims?
Did their relatives stop crying too?
I vaugely recall lions eating their pray on some odd TV shows
here and there over the years... and I wasn't born back in the
70AD time frame... so what's the deal with that PD?
Checkmate.
God made it all, Jesus died for our sins.
Proof God described the planet density profile
BEFORE science did:
http://home.teleport.com/~salad/4god/density.htm
(see the 2 graphs, obviously God was right in Genesis)
Mirror site at: http://For-God.net
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