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Religions > Bible |
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"Minister Thomas" |
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22 Aug 2003 02:49:05 PM |
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CAN HOMOSEXUALS BE SAVED? |
Homosexuality is an abomination in the sight of God. The lifestyle is a
direct threat to the survival of mankind. If a community of homosexuals
are left to themselves
it will not grow and multiply, but it will rather grow old and die in
chronic diseases and afflictions.
The homosexual lifestyle therefore is one of the most despicable and
perverse types of rebellion against God's original mandate for mankind -
to be fruitful and
multiply, replenish the earth, and have dominion!
Our sexuality without a doubt is a gift from God. God bestowed upon us a
sexuality that enables mankind to have a perpetual existence upon the
earth. For it is
written -- the LORD that created the heavens; God himself that formed
the earth and made it; he hath established it, he created it not in
vain, he formed it to be
inhabited: I am the LORD; and there is none else.
So, in God's plan of salvation wasn't homosexuals included and
predestinated according to promise to be blessed? YES, most certainly
they were!
The sins of a homosexual were taken away and forgiven unconditionally by
God just the same as a man that is married to a woman and commits
adultery or is a
drunkard in excess or an abuser of himself with mankind in some other
abominable way.
Now, Keep It Real, the thing in your message post that really proded me
to express a point of view on this topic is because you had a recent
discussion with
someone about a minister who is just as girly as girly can be. You said
- he claims to have left the homosexual lifestyle but still doesn't act
manly.
My opinion based upon a limited amount of information provided by you is
that the man is saved first and foremost because he has received
salvation. Yes! - he
very well may have a problem with being effeminate - acting girly and
gesturing like a woman... But, has God finished the work of deliverance
from the homosexual
lifestyle? Is the girly act on the Holy Ghost's hitlist in that
brother's life? However, we look at the situation we find God's mercy
rejoicing against our judgment!
The greater issue I would have brother, is with the judgment of your
leadership to allow a girly acting man among their ranks. That is
inexcuseable of your leadership
to allow a girly acting brother to minister unto the people.
Why do I have a greater issue with your leadership than I do with the
girly acting brother? Because somebody had to lay hands on him and
ordain him to minister
unto the people. If you and someone else see the girly ways in the
brother, I am sure the presbytery saw it when they examined that man
before they ordained him.
Now, what does that say about your leadership? Why do they want a girly
acting man in their ranks? How does that help to perfect the saints?
In the organizational construct of the church, you must have a ministry
that is not to be blamed! If the girly acting brother was properly
examined, they would not
have at this time ordained him to work in the ministry. Note - I said
they would not have ordained him or set him forth with their blessings
to work in the ministry
with them at this time. In my opinion they should have waited -
encouraged the brother in meekness to come out of his effeminate ways
before they ordain him by
the laying on of hands to work in the ministry. That would testify more
profoundly of the Holy Ghost power in your church.
So, you someone might say what is the problem - let's analyze this for a
moment...
If a girly acting man is ordained by your leadership to minister unto
the people, it sets forth a weakly and corrupt model for the ministry.
If the people see this kind of
thing, it diminishes the measure of rule the leadership has over the
assembly. On the other hand, if the people see a ministry that is grave,
serious minded, and
unfeigned faith, lifting up a holy standard - it commands respect and
submission by the people which assemble to worship the living God. The
people will reverence
the word of that ministry and the living word of God among them and
fear!
In my opinion, the greater issue should be with the leadership of the
church rather than the girly acting brother. They allow it because they
ordained it... Blessed are
the men that are not condemned in the things which they allow!
I believe, therefore I have spoken...
Minister Thomas,
an apostle of Lord Jesus Christ
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| User: "Letao" |
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| Title: Re: CAN MINISTER THOMAS BE SAVED FROM HIS OWN INSANITY? |
22 Aug 2003 05:34:10 PM |
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In article <3F4673E2.2C75@hotmail.com>,
Minister Thomas <thomaselbey@hotmail.com> wrote:
My opinion based upon a limited amount of information
....and ignorance, and religious zealotry, and the fear that someone will
mistake you for the girly man you decry.
Stop posting your religious delusions in a political newsgroup.
Fucking Nutter.
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| User: "Ninure Saunders" |
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| Title: Re: CAN HOMOSEXUALS BE SAVED? |
22 Aug 2003 05:35:07 PM |
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In article <3F4673E2.2C75@hotmail.com>, Minister Thomas
<thomaselbey@hotmail.com> wrote:
-Homosexuality is an abomination in the sight of God.
Ecer look up the occurance of the word abomination in the Bible?
..
ABOMINATION The word abomination occurs rarely in the NIV (e.g., Prov
26:25; Isa 66:3; Dan 9:27; 11:31; 12:11; cf. ³abominable,² Isa 66:17; Jer
32:34). The idea is, however, much more widespread, most often expressed
in the NIV by detest and the detestable. Two main Hebrew words are
involved: (1) shiqqutz, used of idols, of the gods represented by idols,
of forbidden practices, and generally of anything contrary to the worship
and religion of the Lord. The related noun sheqetz is used of idols in
animal form, forbidden foods, and generally of anything bringing
ceremonial defilement. (2) Toevah , often synonymous with shiqqutz, is
also used in wider areas of life‹things related to idols, false gods
themselvess, prophecy leading to the worship of other gods, offering
blemished animals in sacrifice, and heathen divination (or anything that
challenges God¹s authority).
- The lifestyle is a
-direct threat to the survival of mankind. If a community of homosexuals
-are left to themselves
-it will not grow and multiply,
bzzt.. a coominity of nuns and/or celibate priest will not grow or multiply.
Jesus had no children according to Bibical traditons.
Paul i was celibate
-but it will rather grow old and die in chronic diseases and afflictions.
Bzzt,,have you noticed that most people grow old and die in chronic
diseases and afflictions?
-The homosexual lifestyle therefore is one of the most despicable and
-perverse types of rebellion against God's original mandate for mankind -
-to be fruitful and
-multiply, replenish the earth, and have dominion!
Ih my that means Jesus "was in rebelion against God's original mandate for
mankind to be fruitful and
-multiply, replenish the earth, and have dominion!
-<snip>
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-I believe, therefore I have spoken...
And proved yourself a arrofant sewlf-righteous fool.
Ninure Saunders aka Rainbow Christian
http://Rainbow-Christian.tk
The Lord is my Shepherd and He knows I'm Gay
http://Ninure-Saunders.tk
My Yahoo Group
http://Ninure.tk
My Online Diary
http://www.ninure.deardiary.net
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Universal Fellowship of Metropolitan Community Churches
http://www.MCCchurch.org
To send e-mail, remove nohate from address
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| User: "Jeff North" |
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| Title: Re: CAN HOMOSEXUALS BE SAVED? |
22 Aug 2003 08:43:01 PM |
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On Fri, 22 Aug 2003 19:49:05 GMT, in alt.politics.homosexuality
Minister Thomas <thomaselbey@hotmail.com> wrote:
<drivel deleted only sensible stuff retained>
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