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| User: "rgeorge" |
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| Title: Re: Can the human soul die? |
09 Apr 2004 06:18:43 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:407703EF.B5B7ECB0@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
rgeorge wrote:
Ezek. 18:4: "Look! All the souls-to me they belong. As the soul of the
father so likewise the soul of the son-to me they belong. The soul* that
is
sinning-it itself will die."
(*Hebrew reads "the ne´phesh." KJ, AS, RS, NE, and Dy render it "the
soul."
Some translations say "the man" or "the person.")
===>Perhaps it should be rendered "being".
The creation story in Genesis says that, after YHWH ELOHIM blew air
("life breath", NISHMAT HAYIM), the man and animal he formed
from dust became a "living" NEPHESH, a "NEPHESH HAYAH",
which suggests that before they were non-living "NEPHESH".
In any case, it refers to a BODY, which can be alive or dead. -- L.
Gen. 2:7: "YHWH God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground
and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a
living soul." (Notice that this does not say that man was given a soul but
that he became a soul, a living person.) (The part of the Hebrew word here
rendered "soul" is ne´phesh. KJ, AS, and Dy agree with that rendering. RS,
JB, NAB read "being." NE says "creature." Kx reads "person.")
1 Cor. 15:45: "It is even so written: 'The first man Adam became a living
soul.' The last Adam became a life-giving spirit." (So the Christian Greek
Scriptures agree with the Hebrew Scriptures as to what the soul is.) (The
Greek word here translated "soul" is the accusative case of psy·khe´. KJ,
AS, Dy, JB, NAB, and Kx also read "soul." RS, NE, and TEV say "being.")
1 Pet. 3:20: "In Noah's days . . . a few people, that is, eight souls, were
carried safely through the water." (The Greek word here translated "souls"
is psy·khai´, the plural form of psy·khe´. KJ, AS, Dy, and Kx also read
"souls." JB and TEV say "people"; RS, NE, and NAB use "persons.")
Gen. 9:5: "Besides that, your blood of your souls [or, "lives"; Hebrew, from
ne´phesh] shall I ask back." (Here the soul is said to have blood.)
Josh. 11:11: "They went striking every soul [Hebrew, ne´phesh] that was in
it with the edge of the sword." (The soul is here shown to be something that
can be touched by the sword, so these souls could not have been spirits.)
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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| Title: Re: Can the human soul die? NOT A SPIRIT |
09 Apr 2004 09:32:47 PM |
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rgeorge wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:407703EF.B5B7ECB0@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
rgeorge wrote:
Ezek. 18:4: "Look! All the souls-to me they belong. As the soul of the
father so likewise the soul of the son-to me they belong. The soul* that
is
sinning-it itself will die."
(*Hebrew reads "the ne´phesh." KJ, AS, RS, NE, and Dy render it "the
soul."
Some translations say "the man" or "the person.")
===>Perhaps it should be rendered "being".
The creation story in Genesis says that, after YHWH ELOHIM blew air
("life breath", NISHMAT HAYIM), the man and animal he formed
from dust became a "living" NEPHESH, a "NEPHESH HAYAH",
which suggests that before they were non-living "NEPHESH".
In any case, it refers to a BODY, which can be alive or dead. -- L.
Gen. 2:7: "YHWH God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the ground
and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be a
living soul." (Notice that this does not say that man was given a soul but
that he became a soul, a living person.) (The part of the Hebrew word here
rendered "soul" is ne´phesh. KJ, AS, and Dy agree with that rendering. RS,
JB, NAB read "being." NE says "creature." Kx reads "person.")
1 Cor. 15:45: "It is even so written: 'The first man Adam became a living
soul.' The last Adam became a life-giving spirit." (So the Christian Greek
Scriptures agree with the Hebrew Scriptures as to what the soul is.) (The
Greek word here translated "soul" is the accusative case of psy·khe´. KJ,
AS, Dy, JB, NAB, and Kx also read "soul." RS, NE, and TEV say "being.")
1 Pet. 3:20: "In Noah's days . . . a few people, that is, eight souls, were
carried safely through the water." (The Greek word here translated "souls"
is psy·khai´, the plural form of psy·khe´. KJ, AS, Dy, and Kx also read
"souls." JB and TEV say "people"; RS, NE, and NAB use "persons.")
Gen. 9:5: "Besides that, your blood of your souls [or, "lives"; Hebrew, from
ne´phesh] shall I ask back." (Here the soul is said to have blood.)
Josh. 11:11: "They went striking every soul [Hebrew, ne´phesh] that was in
it with the edge of the sword." (The soul is here shown to be something that
can be touched by the sword, so these souls could not have been spirits.)
===>As I suggested before, NEPHESH may be translated as "BEING" or
even "PHYSICAL BEING".
Interestingly, Saul/Paul says that his CHRISTOS is a SPIRIT, thus implying
that he is not a BEING or one with a PHYSICAL existence!
This contradicts LUKE, where Jesus is shown to go out of his way to
prove (after the "resurrection"), that he was NOT a "spirit"!
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| User: "rgeorge" |
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| Title: Re: Can the human soul die? NOT A SPIRIT |
10 Apr 2004 05:16:16 PM |
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"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:40775CCE.D3884570@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
rgeorge wrote:
"Libertarius" <Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote in message
news:407703EF.B5B7ECB0@Nothing_But_The.Truth...
rgeorge wrote:
Ezek. 18:4: "Look! All the souls-to me they belong. As the soul of
the
father so likewise the soul of the son-to me they belong. The soul*
that
is
sinning-it itself will die."
(*Hebrew reads "the ne´phesh." KJ, AS, RS, NE, and Dy render it "the
soul."
Some translations say "the man" or "the person.")
===>Perhaps it should be rendered "being".
The creation story in Genesis says that, after YHWH ELOHIM blew air
("life breath", NISHMAT HAYIM), the man and animal he formed
from dust became a "living" NEPHESH, a "NEPHESH HAYAH",
which suggests that before they were non-living "NEPHESH".
In any case, it refers to a BODY, which can be alive or dead. -- L.
Gen. 2:7: "YHWH God proceeded to form the man out of dust from the
ground
and to blow into his nostrils the breath of life, and the man came to be
a
living soul." (Notice that this does not say that man was given a soul
but
that he became a soul, a living person.) (The part of the Hebrew word
here
rendered "soul" is ne´phesh. KJ, AS, and Dy agree with that rendering.
RS,
JB, NAB read "being." NE says "creature." Kx reads "person.")
1 Cor. 15:45: "It is even so written: 'The first man Adam became a
living
soul.' The last Adam became a life-giving spirit." (So the Christian
Greek
Scriptures agree with the Hebrew Scriptures as to what the soul is.)
(The
Greek word here translated "soul" is the accusative case of psy·khe´.
KJ,
AS, Dy, JB, NAB, and Kx also read "soul." RS, NE, and TEV say "being.")
1 Pet. 3:20: "In Noah's days . . . a few people, that is, eight souls,
were
carried safely through the water." (The Greek word here translated
"souls"
is psy·khai´, the plural form of psy·khe´. KJ, AS, Dy, and Kx also read
"souls." JB and TEV say "people"; RS, NE, and NAB use "persons.")
Gen. 9:5: "Besides that, your blood of your souls [or, "lives"; Hebrew,
from
ne´phesh] shall I ask back." (Here the soul is said to have blood.)
Josh. 11:11: "They went striking every soul [Hebrew, ne´phesh] that was
in
it with the edge of the sword." (The soul is here shown to be something
that
can be touched by the sword, so these souls could not have been
spirits.)
===>As I suggested before, NEPHESH may be translated as "BEING" or
even "PHYSICAL BEING".
Interestingly, Saul/Paul says that his CHRISTOS is a SPIRIT, thus implying
that he is not a BEING or one with a PHYSICAL existence!
This contradicts LUKE, where Jesus is shown to go out of his way to
prove (after the "resurrection"), that he was NOT a "spirit"!
So, man "came to be a living soul"; hence man WAS a soul, he did not HAVE a
soul as something immaterial, invisible, and intangible residing inside him.
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