Religions > Bible > "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?"
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11 Feb 2007 08:15:51 AM |
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"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?" |
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
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V:
This topic of 'distinguishing between emotional and spiritual' is a
good one. I never had time to write on it yet. Too busy with snow and
ice job trying to keep roads clear. More snow is forecast, so no end
in sight.
In any case, a good book that gets into some of this discussion is:
Destructive Emotions: A Scientific Dialogue with the Dalai Lama
[url=http://www.amazon.com/Destructive-Emotions-Scientific-Dialogue-
Dalai/dp/0553801716]Amazon.com: Destructive Emotions: A Scientific
Dialogue with the Dalai Lama: Books: Daniel Goleman,Dalai Lama[/url]
It is also available on book on CD
Spiritual concepts are hard to define, just as the source of the wind
is hard to define. Since spiritual matters deal with the unseen and
the unknown, how can we define them perfectly? If we could do that
they would not be spiritual studies. You can't see why one person is
loving and kind and another person is a fiend of perennial shame, hate
and destruction. Nor can you see what made the hate monger change into
a kind and loving human.
Is all that is needed to be at peace with our emotions is to have a
degree in chemistry as one scientist wrote?
"Based on discoveries made through neural mapping of the limbic
system, the neurobiological explanation of human emotion is that
emotion is a pleasant or unpleasant mental state organized in the
limbic system of the mammalian brain. Specifically, these states are
manifestations of non-verbally expressed feelings of agreement,
amusement, anger, certainty, control, disagreement, disgust,
disliking, embarrassment, fear, guilt, happiness, hate, interest,
liking, love, sadness, shame, surprise, and uncertainty. Emotions are
mammalian elaborations of vertebrate arousal patterns, in which
neurochemicals (e.g., dopamine, noradrenaline, and serotonin) step-up
or step-down the brain's activity level, as visible in body movements,
gestures, and postures. In mammals, primates, and human beings,
feelings are displayed as emotion cues."
As I wrote in: http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?
topic=4.0
It takes more than academic smarts to yield peace smarts. Emotions do
fuel our behavior. Emotions are like the weather of the mind.
Spiritual values most definitely can help calm these tempests in our
head. But, developing the wrong spiritual or religious thoughts can
fuel wrong behavior as well. So right thoughts support right actions
and right living. These feelings of 'agreement, amusement, anger,
certainty, control, disagreement, disgust, disliking, embarrassment,
fear, guilt, happiness, hate, interest, liking, love, sadness, shame,
surprise, and uncertainty' are all of the spiritual realm in the fact
that none can be expressed materially and are all ephemeral in
nature.
We can describe spiritual concepts and the journey that made the
change possible within an individual, but it is impossible to put our
finger on it all exactly. So is this impossibility extended to knowing
all that pertains to spiritual maters. Spiritual growth is a journey
that is a never ending, an imperfect process in this life. But just
as we can see the effects of the wind, while being blind to its
source; we can most definitely see the difference in people that
incorporate spiritual values within their lives when compared to
people that live a life devoid of any spiritual values.
Got to get to work, wish I had more time to write on it. Maybe you
guys can shed some wisdom on this subject.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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| Title: Re: "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?" |
12 Feb 2007 03:13:32 AM |
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V wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
indeed i can , and, for your benefit i shall:
"emotional things" are apparently electrical-chemical responses to
stimuli in you autonomous system.
through habit you will have inscribed an encapsulated sequence of
response to these stimuli.
you will then automatically follow the program of your brain, for
example:
"chat with the girl"
"grab the woman's buttocks"
"grab the woman's breast"
"smoke the cigaret"
"smoke the crack"
"consume the alcohol"
"punch [someone] in the mouth"
"eat until stomach is bursting"
"place ten bob / bucks / etc on Lucky Larry in the fifth race"
etc etc
your 'responses' [above] would be the "spiritual end" -- the direction
of your mental attention.
incidentally, i do not use the nomenclature "spiritual" as i do not
believe in anything beyond my sensory experience.
Fear not, as you can be "conditioned" to different "spiritual things"
via electrical equipment:
Gates hypothesized that unusual mental activity produced unusual
structural or chemical differences in the brain. To test his
hypothesis, he conducted many experiments on guinea pigs, rabbits,
and
dogs--sometimes using electric shock as a negative reinforcer
(reportedly the first person to do so).
His experiments required test animals to make extraordinarily
refined
discriminations with some one sense in order to carry out
successful
adaptive responses to their environment. Upon completion of the
experimental training (which often lasted for months), the test
animals and one or more control groups of like animals were
chloroformed. The groups were compared by a histological
examination
of the brain areas where the sensory data were enregistered. (To
facilitate the examination, Gates invented a staining technique
wherein electric current passed the stain through neurons in two
different directions. He also made major improvements in the
microscope's magnification.) As he suspected, the neuronal
structure
was always more highly developed in the test group. His conclusion
was that rigorous training of the senses gives more brain
structure,
and therefore, more mind with which to create.
--quoted from Elmer R. Gates site
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| User: "Provoker" |
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| Title: Re: "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?" |
12 Feb 2007 08:36:03 PM |
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On Feb 12, 4:13 am, "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"
<hasa...@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote:
V wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
indeed i can , and, for your benefit i shall:
"emotional things" are apparently electrical-chemical responses to
stimuli in you autonomous system.
through habit you will have inscribed an encapsulated sequence of
response to these stimuli.
you will then automatically follow the program of your brain, for
example:
"chat with the girl"
"grab the woman's buttocks"
"grab the woman's breast"
"smoke the cigaret"
"smoke the crack"
"consume the alcohol"
"punch [someone] in the mouth"
"eat until stomach is bursting"
"place ten bob / bucks / etc on Lucky Larry in the fifth race"
etc etc
your 'responses' [above] would be the "spiritual end" -- the direction
of your mental attention.
incidentally, i do not use the nomenclature "spiritual" as i do not
believe in anything beyond my sensory experience.
Fear not, as you can be "conditioned" to different "spiritual things"
via electrical equipment:
Gates hypothesized that unusual mental activity produced unusual
structural or chemical differences in the brain. To test his
hypothesis, he conducted many experiments on guinea pigs, rabbits,
and
dogs--sometimes using electric shock as a negative reinforcer
(reportedly the first person to do so).
His experiments required test animals to make extraordinarily
refined
discriminations with some one sense in order to carry out
successful
adaptive responses to their environment. Upon completion of the
experimental training (which often lasted for months), the test
animals and one or more control groups of like animals were
chloroformed. The groups were compared by a histological
examination
of the brain areas where the sensory data were enregistered. (To
facilitate the examination, Gates invented a staining technique
wherein electric current passed the stain through neurons in two
different directions. He also made major improvements in the
microscope's magnification.) As he suspected, the neuronal
structure
was always more highly developed in the test group. His conclusion
was that rigorous training of the senses gives more brain
structure,
and therefore, more mind with which to create.
--quoted from Elmer R. Gates site
Hello Ha:
How one aquires the principles which fill his heart and mind, is
irrelevent, what happens to fill his heart and mind is still his
spirit, and if he is driven to act upon what is in his heart and mind,
the is definitely spiritual.
"Esprit de corps" means that everyone in the group is of the same mind.
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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| Title: Re: "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?" |
14 Feb 2007 05:50:06 AM |
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Provoker wrote:
On Feb 12, 4:13 am, "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"
V wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
"emotional things" are apparently electrical-chemical responses to
stimuli in you autonomous system.
through habit you will have inscribed an encapsulated sequence of
response to these stimuli.
you will then automatically follow the program of your brain, for
your 'responses' [above] would be the "spiritual end" -- the direction
of your mental attention.
incidentally, i do not use the nomenclature "spiritual" as i do not
believe in anything beyond my sensory experience.
Hello Ha:
How one aquires the principles which fill his heart and mind, is
irrelevent,
'stimuli' are inescapable so i am not sure what you mean.
what happens to fill his heart and mind is still his
spirit,
i am speaking of mental attention , its harnessing and direction,
which inevitable translate into activity ;
what the F are you talking about Sir ?
and if he is driven to act upon what is in his heart and mind,
the is definitely spiritual.
"Esprit de corps" means that everyone in the group is of the same mind.
there is nothing contradicting physics in the circumstance of a group
of humans , disciplined and of one intent,
to focus such mental attention into one particular deed , whether good
or evil.
that is the point after all, isn't it ?
humans can harness energy to do as they please, given sufficient
discipline.
the ironic aspect of all this mumbo-jumbo concerning "good" and "evil"
Persian devas and messiahs flying around etc is that in order to
achieve proficiency, the qualities necessary require abandonment of
all popular notions of "good" and "evil" ;
'control' becomes 'THE GOOD' , whether one is good or evil.
now what the hell were you saying about "spiritual" and like rubbish ??
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| User: "Provoker" |
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| Title: Re: "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?" |
14 Feb 2007 09:10:56 AM |
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On Feb 14, 6:50 am, "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"
<hasa...@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote:
Provoker wrote:
On Feb 12, 4:13 am, "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"
V wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
"emotional things" are apparently electrical-chemical responses to
stimuli in you autonomous system.
through habit you will have inscribed an encapsulated sequence of
response to these stimuli.
you will then automatically follow the program of your brain, for
your 'responses' [above] would be the "spiritual end" -- the direction
of your mental attention.
incidentally, i do not use the nomenclature "spiritual" as i do not
believe in anything beyond my sensory experience.
Hello Ha:
How one aquires the principles which fill his heart and mind, is
irrelevent,
'stimuli' are inescapable so i am not sure what you mean.
what happens to fill his heart and mind is still his
spirit,
i am speaking of mental attention , its harnessing and direction,
which inevitable translate into activity ;
what the F are you talking about Sir ?
Hello Ha:
I don't know what F the point of your question is...LOL
Maybe if I say it in different words...whatever occupies your thoughts
most of the time, is your spirit, and the more fanatical you are about
those thoughts, the more spiritual you are. Among the religious,
spirituality refers to the level of one's interest in religious
principles, and if the word was in common, general use, we might refer
to people becoming spiritual at a Nascar race or a rock concert.
Society has moved on to new words, but the church likes to hang onto
the old words, so eventually they become "religious" words by their
common connotation.
and if he is driven to act upon what is in his heart and mind,
the is definitely spiritual.
"Esprit de corps" means that everyone in the group is of the same mind.
there is nothing contradicting physics in the circumstance of a group
of humans , disciplined and of one intent,
to focus such mental attention into one particular deed , whether good
or evil.
that is the point after all, isn't it ?
In a closed society like the French foreign legion, or a local church,
when all share the same intensity of purpose, it is "the" spirit of
the group. It has nothing to do with physics that I know of. It is
likely to express it'self in some kind of physical manner, like a
lynch mob, but not necessarily. Sometimes a lynching is done by one
spiritual, and emotional, person.
humans can harness energy to do as they please, given sufficient
discipline.
the ironic aspect of all this mumbo-jumbo concerning "good" and "evil"
Persian devas and messiahs flying around etc is that in order to
achieve proficiency, the qualities necessary require abandonment of
all popular notions of "good" and "evil" ;
'control' becomes 'THE GOOD' , whether one is good or evil.
The mention of "good and evil" only arose to point out that the word
"spiritual" is not exclusively good, or religious. Good and evil is
not the subject of the thread.
now what the hell were you saying about "spiritual" and like rubbish ??- Hide quoted text -
I said it...LOL
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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| Title: Re: "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?" |
14 Feb 2007 10:44:06 PM |
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Provoker wrote:
On Feb 14, 6:50 am, "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"
<hasa...@grex.cyberspace.org> wrote:
Provoker wrote:
On Feb 12, 4:13 am, "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]"
V wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
"emotional things" are apparently electrical-chemical responses to
stimuli in you autonomous system.
through habit you will have inscribed an encapsulated sequence of
response to these stimuli.
you will then automatically follow the program of your brain, for
your 'responses' [above] would be the "spiritual end" -- the direction
of your mental attention.
incidentally, i do not use the nomenclature "spiritual" as i do not
believe in anything beyond my sensory experience.
Hello Ha:
How one aquires the principles which fill his heart and mind, is
irrelevent,
'stimuli' are inescapable so i am not sure what you mean.
what happens to fill his heart and mind is still his
spirit,
i am speaking of mental attention , its harnessing and direction,
which inevitable translate into activity ;
what the F are you talking about Sir ?
Hello Ha:
I don't know what F the point of your question is...LOL
Maybe if I say it in different words...whatever occupies your thoughts
most of the time, is your spirit, and the more fanatical you are about
those thoughts, the more spiritual you are. Among the religious,
spirituality refers to the level of one's interest in religious
principles, and if the word was in common, general use, we might refer
to people becoming spiritual at a Nascar race or a rock concert.
Society has moved on to new words, but the church likes to hang onto
the old words, so eventually they become "religious" words by their
common connotation.
and if he is driven to act upon what is in his heart and mind,
the is definitely spiritual.
"Esprit de corps" means that everyone in the group is of the same mind.
there is nothing contradicting physics in the circumstance of a group
of humans , disciplined and of one intent,
to focus such mental attention into one particular deed , whether good
or evil.
that is the point after all, isn't it ?
In a closed society like the French foreign legion, or a local church,
when all share the same intensity of purpose, it is "the" spirit of
the group. It has nothing to do with physics that I know of. It is
likely to express it'self in some kind of physical manner, like a
lynch mob, but not necessarily. Sometimes a lynching is done by one
spiritual, and emotional, person.
humans can harness energy to do as they please, given sufficient
discipline.
the ironic aspect of all this mumbo-jumbo concerning "good" and "evil"
Persian devas and messiahs flying around etc is that in order to
achieve proficiency, the qualities necessary require abandonment of
all popular notions of "good" and "evil" ;
'control' becomes 'THE GOOD' , whether one is good or evil.
The mention of "good and evil" only arose to point out that the word
"spiritual" is not exclusively good, or religious. Good and evil is
not the subject of the thread.
now what the hell were you saying about "spiritual" and like rubbish ??- Hide quoted text -
I said it...LOL
yes you did ; you've got it.
you use nomenclature which i find annoying and possibly misleading,
but you do indeed understand what is going on at that level.
look at this way: the further expanded the "realm" one's
consciousness the broader the RANGE of one's mental attention.
same applies to group.
a group focused and DIRECTED can effect "miraculous" results.
but in the end ONE conscious will is never as strong as a few million
"unconscious" wills,
so it is essential to harness group mental energy and direct it.
even when a group is unaware of the overall situation, as in the
classic recent case Germany 1933-1945, the "emotional" translation
into activity is powerful to the point where the actions of one are
equivalent to the actions of perhaps a thousand.
"unwavering belief" in one's purpose and "work" /activity will
compensate for, even overcome physical constraints.
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