Religions > Bible > "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?"
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11 Feb 2007 08:15:51 AM |
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"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?" |
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
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V:
This topic of 'distinguishing between emotional and spiritual' is a
good one. I never had time to write on it yet. Too busy with snow and
ice job trying to keep roads clear. More snow is forecast, so no end
in sight.
In any case, a good book that gets into some of this discussion is:
Destructive Emotions: A Scientific Dialogue with the Dalai Lama
[url=http://www.amazon.com/Destructive-Emotions-Scientific-Dialogue-
Dalai/dp/0553801716]Amazon.com: Destructive Emotions: A Scientific
Dialogue with the Dalai Lama: Books: Daniel Goleman,Dalai Lama[/url]
It is also available on book on CD
Spiritual concepts are hard to define, just as the source of the wind
is hard to define. Since spiritual matters deal with the unseen and
the unknown, how can we define them perfectly? If we could do that
they would not be spiritual studies. You can't see why one person is
loving and kind and another person is a fiend of perennial shame, hate
and destruction. Nor can you see what made the hate monger change into
a kind and loving human.
Is all that is needed to be at peace with our emotions is to have a
degree in chemistry as one scientist wrote?
"Based on discoveries made through neural mapping of the limbic
system, the neurobiological explanation of human emotion is that
emotion is a pleasant or unpleasant mental state organized in the
limbic system of the mammalian brain. Specifically, these states are
manifestations of non-verbally expressed feelings of agreement,
amusement, anger, certainty, control, disagreement, disgust,
disliking, embarrassment, fear, guilt, happiness, hate, interest,
liking, love, sadness, shame, surprise, and uncertainty. Emotions are
mammalian elaborations of vertebrate arousal patterns, in which
neurochemicals (e.g., dopamine, noradrenaline, and serotonin) step-up
or step-down the brain's activity level, as visible in body movements,
gestures, and postures. In mammals, primates, and human beings,
feelings are displayed as emotion cues."
As I wrote in: http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?
topic=4.0
It takes more than academic smarts to yield peace smarts. Emotions do
fuel our behavior. Emotions are like the weather of the mind.
Spiritual values most definitely can help calm these tempests in our
head. But, developing the wrong spiritual or religious thoughts can
fuel wrong behavior as well. So right thoughts support right actions
and right living. These feelings of 'agreement, amusement, anger,
certainty, control, disagreement, disgust, disliking, embarrassment,
fear, guilt, happiness, hate, interest, liking, love, sadness, shame,
surprise, and uncertainty' are all of the spiritual realm in the fact
that none can be expressed materially and are all ephemeral in
nature.
We can describe spiritual concepts and the journey that made the
change possible within an individual, but it is impossible to put our
finger on it all exactly. So is this impossibility extended to knowing
all that pertains to spiritual maters. Spiritual growth is a journey
that is a never ending, an imperfect process in this life. But just
as we can see the effects of the wind, while being blind to its
source; we can most definitely see the difference in people that
incorporate spiritual values within their lives when compared to
people that live a life devoid of any spiritual values.
Got to get to work, wish I had more time to write on it. Maybe you
guys can shed some wisdom on this subject.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "Bill M" |
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| Title: Re: "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?" |
11 Feb 2007 09:47:17 AM |
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Emotional things are actual peoples physical/ mental reactions to actual
occurrences in the real world.
Spiritual things do not exist except in the imagination and minds of people.
They are a product of the imagination rather than the real world.
"V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote in message
news:1171203351.922418.12360@h3g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
V:
This topic of 'distinguishing between emotional and spiritual' is a
good one. I never had time to write on it yet. Too busy with snow and
ice job trying to keep roads clear. More snow is forecast, so no end
in sight.
In any case, a good book that gets into some of this discussion is:
Destructive Emotions: A Scientific Dialogue with the Dalai Lama
[url=http://www.amazon.com/Destructive-Emotions-Scientific-Dialogue-
Dalai/dp/0553801716]Amazon.com: Destructive Emotions: A Scientific
Dialogue with the Dalai Lama: Books: Daniel Goleman,Dalai Lama[/url]
It is also available on book on CD
Spiritual concepts are hard to define, just as the source of the wind
is hard to define. Since spiritual matters deal with the unseen and
the unknown, how can we define them perfectly? If we could do that
they would not be spiritual studies. You can't see why one person is
loving and kind and another person is a fiend of perennial shame, hate
and destruction. Nor can you see what made the hate monger change into
a kind and loving human.
Is all that is needed to be at peace with our emotions is to have a
degree in chemistry as one scientist wrote?
"Based on discoveries made through neural mapping of the limbic
system, the neurobiological explanation of human emotion is that
emotion is a pleasant or unpleasant mental state organized in the
limbic system of the mammalian brain. Specifically, these states are
manifestations of non-verbally expressed feelings of agreement,
amusement, anger, certainty, control, disagreement, disgust,
disliking, embarrassment, fear, guilt, happiness, hate, interest,
liking, love, sadness, shame, surprise, and uncertainty. Emotions are
mammalian elaborations of vertebrate arousal patterns, in which
neurochemicals (e.g., dopamine, noradrenaline, and serotonin) step-up
or step-down the brain's activity level, as visible in body movements,
gestures, and postures. In mammals, primates, and human beings,
feelings are displayed as emotion cues."
As I wrote in: http://jesusneverexisted.org/jne/forum/index.php?
topic=4.0
It takes more than academic smarts to yield peace smarts. Emotions do
fuel our behavior. Emotions are like the weather of the mind.
Spiritual values most definitely can help calm these tempests in our
head. But, developing the wrong spiritual or religious thoughts can
fuel wrong behavior as well. So right thoughts support right actions
and right living. These feelings of 'agreement, amusement, anger,
certainty, control, disagreement, disgust, disliking, embarrassment,
fear, guilt, happiness, hate, interest, liking, love, sadness, shame,
surprise, and uncertainty' are all of the spiritual realm in the fact
that none can be expressed materially and are all ephemeral in
nature.
We can describe spiritual concepts and the journey that made the
change possible within an individual, but it is impossible to put our
finger on it all exactly. So is this impossibility extended to knowing
all that pertains to spiritual maters. Spiritual growth is a journey
that is a never ending, an imperfect process in this life. But just
as we can see the effects of the wind, while being blind to its
source; we can most definitely see the difference in people that
incorporate spiritual values within their lives when compared to
people that live a life devoid of any spiritual values.
Got to get to work, wish I had more time to write on it. Maybe you
guys can shed some wisdom on this subject.
Take care,
V (Male)
Agnostic Freethinker
Practical Philosopher
AA#2
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| User: "Geoff" |
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| Title: Re: "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?" |
11 Feb 2007 12:53:51 PM |
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"Bill M" <wmech@bellsouth.net> wrote in message
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Emotional things are actual peoples physical/ mental reactions to actual
occurrences in the real world.
Just for shits and giggles. Can't one have an emotional response to one's
imagination of spiritual things? If you don't believe that then just watch
one of those televangelist shows.
Unless these spiritual things are "actual occurrences in the real world",
then your statement above isn't quite true.
I get your drift tho... ;-)
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| User: "raven1" |
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11 Feb 2007 11:19:10 AM |
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On 11 Feb 2007 06:15:51 -0800, "V" <vfr44@aol.com> wrote:
This topic of 'distinguishing between emotional and spiritual' is a
good one. I never had time to write on it yet. Too busy with snow and
ice job trying to keep roads clear. More snow is forecast, so no end
in sight.
Well, you'd better get back to what you were doing, then.
--
"O Sybilli, si ergo
Fortibus es in ero
O Nobili! Themis trux
Sivat sinem? Causen Dux"
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| User: "Provoker" |
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11 Feb 2007 08:23:12 AM |
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On Feb 11, 9:15 am, "V" <v...@aol.com> wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
Hello V.
That is a pretty simply request from J. Forbes.
Spiritual things are the principles in one's heart and mind which
cause him to be emotional.
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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11 Feb 2007 02:35:44 PM |
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"Provoker" <provoker@3web.com> wrote in news:1171203792.188657.254120
@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 11, 9:15 am, "V" <v...@aol.com> wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
Hello V.
That is a pretty simply request from J. Forbes.
Spiritual things are the principles in one's heart and mind which
cause him to be emotional.
Wrong. Misunderstood emotion is what leads to belief in spiritual
things.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Convicted by Earthquack
Plonked by Fester
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| User: "Provoker" |
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12 Feb 2007 08:20:13 PM |
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On Feb 11, 3:35 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
"Provoker" <provo...@3web.com> wrote in news:1171203792.188657.254120
@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 11, 9:15 am, "V" <v...@aol.com> wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
Hello V.
That is a pretty simply request from J. Forbes.
Spiritual things are the principles in one's heart and mind which
cause him to be emotional.
Wrong. Misunderstood emotion is what leads to belief in spiritual
things.
Hello Uncle Vic:
Wrong right back atcha:-)
I am not using the word "spiritual" to mean religious, or mysterious,
I am simply saying that whatever is most important to a person is what
fills his heart and mind, and that is the thing he will be emotional
about.
"Spirit" actually means "normal respiration", or "the breath which
gives life to the body". The principle which is foremost in one's
heart and mind, is the breath which gives life to how he uses his
body, his emotion, his attitude, his actions, etc.
If you are obsessed with atheism, then you are spiritual...LOL
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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12 Feb 2007 08:57:48 PM |
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One fine day in alt.atheism, "Provoker" <provoker@3web.com> bloodied us
up with this:
On Feb 11, 3:35 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
"Provoker" <provo...@3web.com> wrote in news:1171203792.188657.254120
@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 11, 9:15 am, "V" <v...@aol.com> wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
Hello V.
That is a pretty simply request from J. Forbes.
Spiritual things are the principles in one's heart and mind which
cause him to be emotional.
Wrong. Misunderstood emotion is what leads to belief in spiritual
things.
Hello Uncle Vic:
Wrong right back atcha:-)
I am not using the word "spiritual" to mean religious, or mysterious,
I am simply saying that whatever is most important to a person is what
fills his heart and mind, and that is the thing he will be emotional
about.
"Spirit" actually means "normal respiration", or "the breath which
gives life to the body". The principle which is foremost in one's
heart and mind, is the breath which gives life to how he uses his
body, his emotion, his attitude, his actions, etc.
If you are obsessed with atheism, then you are spiritual...LOL
Well, most definitions of "spirit" relate to the soul, or ghosts. At
least that's true of what we run across in the crossposted religious NGs.
Emotion is caused by reacting chemicals in the brain, not a breath which
gives life, or a "soul" which cannot be proven to exist.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack. Plonked by Fester.
Member Duke Spanking Club.
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| User: "Provoker" |
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13 Feb 2007 08:46:08 AM |
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On Feb 12, 9:57 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
One fine day in alt.atheism, "Provoker" <provo...@3web.com> bloodied us
up with this:
On Feb 11, 3:35 pm, Uncle Vic <addr...@withheld.com> wrote:
"Provoker" <provo...@3web.com> wrote in news:1171203792.188657.254120
@s48g2000cws.googlegroups.com:
On Feb 11, 9:15 am, "V" <v...@aol.com> wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
Hello V.
That is a pretty simply request from J. Forbes.
Spiritual things are the principles in one's heart and mind which
cause him to be emotional.
Wrong. Misunderstood emotion is what leads to belief in spiritual
things.
Hello Uncle Vic:
Wrong right back atcha:-)
I am not using the word "spiritual" to mean religious, or mysterious,
I am simply saying that whatever is most important to a person is what
fills his heart and mind, and that is the thing he will be emotional
about.
"Spirit" actually means "normal respiration", or "the breath which
gives life to the body". The principle which is foremost in one's
heart and mind, is the breath which gives life to how he uses his
body, his emotion, his attitude, his actions, etc.
If you are obsessed with atheism, then you are spiritual...LOL
Well, most definitions of "spirit" relate to the soul, or ghosts. At
least that's true of what we run across in the crossposted religious NGs.
Emotion is caused by reacting chemicals in the brain, not a breath which
gives life, or a "soul" which cannot be proven to exist.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department.
Convicted by Earthquack. Plonked by Fester.
Member Duke Spanking Club.- Hide quoted text -
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Hello Vic:
Who knows what the word "soul" means, but someone, in his wisdom, used
it as a translation? for Hebrew and Greek words which simply mean
"creature", and so the bible word "soul", simply refers to the body of
a man or a beast. A living soul is simply a breathing creature. You
tell me how the word came to be redefined as an entity which lives
inside the body, and lives on after the body has turned to
dust...LOL
"Ghost" means exactly the same thing as "spirit"; normal respiration,
which gives life to the body(soul).
I am not a linguist, just someone who has learned some linguistic
trivia over the years:-)
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| User: "Mike Painter" |
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11 Feb 2007 02:31:31 PM |
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Provoker wrote:
On Feb 11, 9:15 am, "V" <v...@aol.com> wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
Hello V.
That is a pretty simply request from J. Forbes.
Spiritual things are the principles in one's heart and mind which
cause him to be emotional.
So when someone goes into a rage and kills, that's a spiritual thing?
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| User: "bob young" |
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11 Feb 2007 11:05:01 PM |
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Mike Painter wrote:
Provoker wrote:
On Feb 11, 9:15 am, "V" <v...@aol.com> wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
Hello V.
That is a pretty simply request from J. Forbes.
Spiritual things are the principles in one's heart and mind which
cause him to be emotional.
So when someone goes into a rage and kills, that's a spiritual thing?
Well in the case of serial killer Son Of Sam,
god told him to do it
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| User: "Provoker" |
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12 Feb 2007 08:28:03 PM |
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On Feb 12, 12:05 am, bob young wrote:
Well in the case of serial killer Son Of Sam,
god told him to do it-
Hello bobby:
Whatever Son of Sam had in his heart and mind, was his spirit, and he
was obviously a very spiritual person.
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| User: "Provoker" |
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12 Feb 2007 07:58:07 PM |
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On Feb 11, 3:31 pm, "Mike Painter" <mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Provoker wrote:
On Feb 11, 9:15 am, "V" <v...@aol.com> wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
Hello V.
That is a pretty simply request from J. Forbes.
Spiritual things are the principles in one's heart and mind which
cause him to be emotional.
So when someone goes into a rage and kills, that's a spiritual thing?
Hello Mike:
Absolutely. Surely you have heard of evil spirits. "Spiritual"
refers to all types of spirit.
Whatever fills one's heart and mind is his spirit, and it makes him
spiritual.
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| User: "Mark T moi@home0745679865854684654548756" |
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12 Feb 2007 10:07:15 PM |
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"Provoker" <provoker@3web.com> wrote:
Surely you have heard of evil spirits. "Spiritual" refers to all types of
spirit.
Is Scotch good or evil?
What about Brandy?
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13 Feb 2007 08:30:47 AM |
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On Feb 12, 11:07 pm, "Mark T" wrote:
Is Scotch good or evil?
What about Brandy?
Hello Mark:
It is my experience that when one drinks a little alcohol type
spirits, he loses his inhibitions, and what is really in his heart and
mind(his true spirit) comes out. I guess that alcohol could be
defined as a "spirit revealer".
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| User: "Christopher A.Lee" |
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13 Feb 2007 08:39:05 AM |
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On 13 Feb 2007 06:30:47 -0800, "Provoker" <provoker@3web.com> wrote:
On Feb 12, 11:07 pm, "Mark T" wrote:
Is Scotch good or evil?
What about Brandy?
Hello Mark:
It is my experience that when one drinks a little alcohol type
spirits, he loses his inhibitions, and what is really in his heart and
mind(his true spirit) comes out. I guess that alcohol could be
defined as a "spirit revealer".
Brandy makes you randy
Whisky makes you frisky
Gin makes you sin...
So what does beer make you?
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13 Feb 2007 10:41:05 AM |
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:q9j3t2l75rv1vjudfh1608rtgfjoercl29@4ax.com...
On 13 Feb 2007 06:30:47 -0800, "Provoker" <provoker@3web.com> wrote:
On Feb 12, 11:07 pm, "Mark T" wrote:
Is Scotch good or evil?
What about Brandy?
Hello Mark:
It is my experience that when one drinks a little alcohol type
spirits, he loses his inhibitions, and what is really in his heart and
mind(his true spirit) comes out. I guess that alcohol could be
defined as a "spirit revealer".
Brandy makes you randy
Whisky makes you frisky
Gin makes you sin...
So what does beer make you?
Makes you leer?
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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13 Feb 2007 10:39:25 AM |
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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:41:05 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:q9j3t2l75rv1vjudfh1608rtgfjoercl29@4ax.com...
On 13 Feb 2007 06:30:47 -0800, "Provoker" <provoker@3web.com> wrote:
On Feb 12, 11:07 pm, "Mark T" wrote:
Is Scotch good or evil?
What about Brandy?
Hello Mark:
It is my experience that when one drinks a little alcohol type
spirits, he loses his inhibitions, and what is really in his heart and
mind(his true spirit) comes out. I guess that alcohol could be
defined as a "spirit revealer".
Brandy makes you randy
Whisky makes you frisky
Gin makes you sin...
So what does beer make you?
Makes you leer?
You're near
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13 Feb 2007 03:01:05 PM |
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"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:fdq3t2peg268ramiu8hj7d08n12njhjimo@4ax.com...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:41:05 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:q9j3t2l75rv1vjudfh1608rtgfjoercl29@4ax.com...
On 13 Feb 2007 06:30:47 -0800, "Provoker" <provoker@3web.com> wrote:
On Feb 12, 11:07 pm, "Mark T" wrote:
Is Scotch good or evil?
What about Brandy?
Hello Mark:
It is my experience that when one drinks a little alcohol type
spirits, he loses his inhibitions, and what is really in his heart and
mind(his true spirit) comes out. I guess that alcohol could be
defined as a "spirit revealer".
Brandy makes you randy
Whisky makes you frisky
Gin makes you sin...
So what does beer make you?
Makes you leer?
You're near
Oh dear ;)
--
Robyn
Resident Witchypoo
BAAWA Knight!
#1557
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13 Feb 2007 03:00:56 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 16:01:05 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:fdq3t2peg268ramiu8hj7d08n12njhjimo@4ax.com...
On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 11:41:05 -0500, "Robibnikoff"
<witchypoo@broomstick.com> wrote:
"Christopher A.Lee" <calee@optonline.net> wrote in message
news:q9j3t2l75rv1vjudfh1608rtgfjoercl29@4ax.com...
On 13 Feb 2007 06:30:47 -0800, "Provoker" <provoker@3web.com> wrote:
On Feb 12, 11:07 pm, "Mark T" wrote:
Is Scotch good or evil?
What about Brandy?
Hello Mark:
It is my experience that when one drinks a little alcohol type
spirits, he loses his inhibitions, and what is really in his heart and
mind(his true spirit) comes out. I guess that alcohol could be
defined as a "spirit revealer".
Brandy makes you randy
Whisky makes you frisky
Gin makes you sin...
So what does beer make you?
Makes you leer?
You're near
Oh dear ;)
You're freer
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| User: "Free Lunch" |
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12 Feb 2007 10:11:16 PM |
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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 15:07:15 +1100, in alt.atheism
"Mark T" <moi@home0745679865854684654548756> wrote in
<45d13973$1@dnews.tpgi.com.au>:
"Provoker" <provoker@3web.com> wrote:
Surely you have heard of evil spirits. "Spiritual" refers to all types of
spirit.
Is Scotch good or evil?
Single-malt, nicely aged? Very good.
What about Brandy?
The booze varies a lot in quality. The singer is tolerable.
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| User: "Mark T moi@home0745679865854684654548756" |
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| Title: Re: "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?" |
12 Feb 2007 10:21:01 PM |
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"Free Lunch" wrote:
Surely you have heard of evil spirits. "Spiritual" refers to all types
of
spirit.
Is Scotch good or evil?
Single-malt, nicely aged? Very good.
Praise the Lord! I'm saved! I got the very good spirit!!!! ;-)
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ALCOHOL
(from Rabbi Rudolph Brasch, Thank God I'm an Atheist, Collins, Australia,
1987, p. 60)
WINE AND RELIGION
The drinking of wine was an essential part of earliest religious meals. With
wine man hallowed the sacred days and found communion with the divine. Jews
still thus sanctify every Sabbath and holy day. When, as a loyal member of
the Jewish community, Jesus celebrated the passover eve, at his Last Supper,
he shared with his twelve disciples in the blessing and drinking of wine,
traditionally and significantly refferred to by the Jewish religion as
'Sanctification', Kiddush in Hebrew.
The world owes many a famous wine and liqueur to monasteries. They developed
the beveridges for religious reasons. The many services and celebrations
held in the monastery demanded a plentiful supply of wine. To be self
supporting, the monks planted their own vineyards, and the wine making
became part of their daily lives. They became experts in the art and, not
rarely, came to excel in one of the many varieties that they distilled. The
quality of their product was no doubt not the result of accident, but was
scientifically achieved by experimentation. On all occasions, however, the
monks were prompted by the sincere desire to glorify God who - in the words
of the ancient Hebrew blessing still used in Jewish homes - had 'created the
fruit of the vine'.
Any funds raised by the sale of their surplus were used by the monks to help
the destitute and the sick.
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WINE
In ancient religions wine was often represented as the blood of the god(s).
Wine drinking was originally a religious ritual. Wine is mentioned 521 times
in the Bible. Anglican and Catholic churches use alcoholic wine for
communion.
New Testament
Matthew 11:19; Luke 7:34. - Jesus drank wine and was called a winebiber or
tippler:
John 2: 3-10. - Jesus turned water into wine at the marriage at Cana.
Acts 2:13. - The excuse for seeming to be drunk was that the drinking
taverns had not opened yet, it was far too early for them to be drunk. Peter
did not say 'They are not drunk as you suppose because you all know that we
don't drink alcohol."
1 Timothy 5:23. - Drink wine.
Old Testament
Psalm 104:15. - Wine makes people happy.
Proverbs 31:6. - Alcohol is for people who are dying and for those in
misery. Let them drink and forget their poverty and unhappiness.
Ecclesiastes 2:3. - Driven by his desire for wisdom, Solomon cheered himself
up with wine.
Ecclesiastes 9:7. - Go ahead - eat your food and be happy; drink your wine
and be cheerful. It's all right with God.
Ecclesiastes 10:19. - Feasting makes you happy and wine cheers you up.
Jews
The Authorised Daily Prayer Book of the United Hebrew Congregations of the
British Commonwealth, translated by Rev S Singer, published under the
sanction of Chief Rabbi Dr Nathan Marcus Adler, 1962, Blessings on various
occasions, p. 385
Before drinking Wine:- Blessed art thou, O Lord our God, King of the
universe, who createst the fruit of the vine.
After Wine: - Blessed art thou, O Lord our God, King of the universe, for
the vine and the fruit of the vine.
BOURBON
The Rev Elijah Craig, a Baptist minister, was the first to distil Bourbon in
1789. It was named after the county in which he had his parish.
CHARTREUSE
Named after La Grand Chartreuse, the carthusian monastery north of Grenoble
in France where the liqueur was originally made. In 1605 A F d'Estrees
presented a manuscript to carthusian monks for an exilir of life. In 1762
Brother Jerome Maubec translated the text and, on his death bed, dictated it
to another brother who made it.
BENEDICTINE
Dom Bernando Vincelli, a Benedictine monk, first distilled it in 1510 in the
monastery at Fecamp on the Normandy coast. The letters D. O. M. on each
bottle represent the Latin phrase Deo Optimo Maximo - To God, the Best, the
Greatest (or God most good, most great).
CHAMPAGNE / BOTTLE CORKS
The French monk Dom Perignon, the father of Champagne, made the first bottle
cork in 1668. He served as the Wine Master at the Abbey of Hautevillers.
When he first tasted the champagne that he had made he exclaimed "Je bois
des etoiles!" - "I am drinking the stars!"
BEER
Commercial beer brewing was first done in medieval monasteries. Gambrinus
was the medieval Flemish saint of beer.
IRISH WHISKEY
Monks who arrived from Spain in the 12th century taught the art of
distilling to Irish monasteries.
SCOTCH WHISKY
Irish monks brought their distilling methods to the Scots during
evangelisation of Scotland.
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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| Title: Re: "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?" |
14 Feb 2007 05:56:57 AM |
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Mark T wrote:
"Free Lunch" wrote:
Proverbs 31:6. - Alcohol is for people who are dying and for those in
misery. Let them drink and forget their poverty and unhappiness.
there is another reference in sefer `mishlei` --
"Wisdom has mixed her spices" --referring to a narcotic /
hallucinogenic drink.
all "Bible" creatures should investigate the hebrew of this verse.
BENEDICTINE
Dom Bernando Vincelli, a Benedictine monk, first distilled it in 1510 in the
monastery at Fecamp on the Normandy coast. The letters D. O. M. on each
bottle represent the Latin phrase Deo Optimo Maximo - To God, the Best, the
Greatest (or God most good, most great).
oh ? port and other rich liquers are not circa 1200 ?
i must lok at this again.
BEER
Commercial beer brewing was first done in medieval monasteries. Gambrinus
was the medieval Flemish saint of beer.
did the ancient egyptians not have beer ?
the list doesn't seem to address the Chinese concoctions which are
very ancient [perhaps because chiense has no relation to "bible" --
lathough chinese had paper and books earlier apparently ]
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| User: "Rico" |
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| Title: Re: "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?" |
13 Feb 2007 01:41:21 AM |
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Spiritual things are attituddes, emotional things are the ways that you
respond to attitudes
examples:
depression is spirit, crying because one is sad is emotion
joy is spirit, laughter is emotional
"Provoker" <provoker@3web.com> wrote in message
news:1171331887.115245.63050@k78g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
On Feb 11, 3:31 pm, "Mike Painter" <mddotpain...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
Provoker wrote:
On Feb 11, 9:15 am, "V" <v...@aol.com> wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
Hello V.
That is a pretty simply request from J. Forbes.
Spiritual things are the principles in one's heart and mind which
cause him to be emotional.
So when someone goes into a rage and kills, that's a spiritual thing?
Hello Mike:
Absolutely. Surely you have heard of evil spirits. "Spiritual"
refers to all types of spirit.
Whatever fills one's heart and mind is his spirit, and it makes him
spiritual.
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| User: "Steve O" |
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| Title: Re: "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?" |
13 Feb 2007 04:37:31 AM |
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"Rico" <hoganrj@bigpond.net.au.au> wrote in message
news:BYdAh.352$4c6.272@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
Spiritual things are attituddes, emotional things are the ways that you
respond to attitudes
examples:
depression is spirit, crying because one is sad is emotion
joy is spirit, laughter is emotional
So why don't you just refer to it as depression, crying, sadness, joy and
laughter?
What does "spirituality" have to do with any of those emotions?
--
Steve O
a.a. #2240 (Apatheist Chapter)
B.A.A.W.A.
"Faith doesn't move mountains - it levels buildings" - anon.
"The Universe isn't about us." - Carl Sagan
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| User: "Provoker" |
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| Title: Re: "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?" |
13 Feb 2007 08:48:53 AM |
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On Feb 13, 2:41 am, "Rico" wrote:
Spiritual things are attituddes, emotional things are the ways that you
respond to attitudes
examples:
depression is spirit, crying because one is sad is emotion
joy is spirit, laughter is emotional
Hello Rico:
I'll buy that...LOL
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| User: "bob young" |
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| Title: Re: "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, andspiritual things?" |
11 Feb 2007 11:04:01 PM |
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Provoker wrote:
On Feb 11, 9:15 am, "V" <v...@aol.com> wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
Hello V.
That is a pretty simply request from J. Forbes.
Spiritual things are the principles in one's heart and mind which
cause him to be emotional.
Wrong way round AGAIN.
The emotions cause man to fear
so he invents gods, spirits, souls
- none of which can be properly defined
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| User: "Provoker" |
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| Title: Re: "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?" |
12 Feb 2007 08:24:43 PM |
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On Feb 12, 12:04 am, bob young <alaspect...@netvigator.com> wrote:
Provoker wrote:
On Feb 11, 9:15 am, "V" <v...@aol.com> wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
*********** REPLY SEPARATOR ***********
Hello V.
That is a pretty simply request from J. Forbes.
Spiritual things are the principles in one's heart and mind which
cause him to be emotional.
Wrong way round AGAIN.
The emotions cause man to fear
so he invents gods, spirits, souls
- none of which can be properly defined
Hello bobby:
I wish you would read what I say before you tell me I'm wrong. Your
statement may be true, but it does not dispute my statement in the
least...LOL
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| User: "Mark K. Bilbo" |
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| Title: Re: "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things,and spiritual things?" |
11 Feb 2007 08:28:34 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 06:15:51 -0800, V wrote:
V:
Took a while to sober up this time huh?
--
Mark K. Bilbo a.a. #1423
EAC Department of Linguistic Subversion
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"The meme for blind faith secures its own perpetuation
by the simple unconscious expedient of discouraging
rational inquiry." - Richard Dawkins
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| User: "John Baker" |
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| Title: Re: "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?" |
11 Feb 2007 10:45:10 AM |
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On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 08:28:34 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 06:15:51 -0800, V wrote:
V:
Took a while to sober up this time huh?
I was really hoping everyone would ignore him this time around so he'd
go away....
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| User: "Uncle Vic" |
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| Title: Re: "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?" |
11 Feb 2007 02:36:36 PM |
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John Baker <nunya@bizniz.net> wrote in
news:nvhus2ppeeffm3hdcb578nvtln4n9q7fqv@4ax.com:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 08:28:34 -0600, "Mark K. Bilbo"
<gmail@com.mkbilbo> wrote:
On Sun, 11 Feb 2007 06:15:51 -0800, V wrote:
V:
Took a while to sober up this time huh?
I was really hoping everyone would ignore him this time around so he'd
go away....
So was I, and I actually thought it worked. That'll teach me.
--
Uncle Vic
aa Atheist #2011
Supervisor, EAC Department of little adhesive-backed "L" shaped
chrome-plastic doo-dads to add feet to Jesus fish department
Convicted by Earthquack
Plonked by Fester
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| User: "Ha SATAN [Sin Tet Nun]" |
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| Title: Re: "Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and spiritual things?" |
12 Feb 2007 03:13:32 AM |
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V wrote:
J Forbes wrote:
"Can you tell me how to distinguish between emotional things, and
spiritual things?"
indeed i can , and, for your benefit i shall:
"emotional things" are apparently electrical-chemical responses to
stimuli in you autonomous system.
through habit you will have inscribed an encapsulated sequence of
response to these stimuli.
you will then automatically follow the program of your brain, for
example:
"chat with the girl"
"grab the woman's buttocks"
"grab the woman's breast"
"smoke the cigaret"
"smoke the crack"
"consume the alcohol"
"punch [someone] in the mouth"
"eat until stomach is bursting"
"place ten bob / bucks / etc on Lucky Larry in the fifth race"
etc etc
your 'responses' [above] would be the "spiritual end" -- the direction
of your mental attention.
incidentally, i do not use the nomenclature "spiritual" as i do not
believe in anything beyond my sensory experience.
Fear not, as you can be "conditioned" to different "spiritual things"
via electrical equipment:
Gates hypothesized that unusual mental activity produced unusual
structural or chemical differences in the brain. To test his
hypothesis, he conducted many experiments on guinea pigs, rabbits,
and
dogs--sometimes using electric shock as a negative reinforcer
(reportedly the first person to do so).
His experiments required test animals to make extraordinarily
refined
discriminations with some one sense in order to carry out
successful
adaptive responses to their environment. Upon completion of the
experimental training (which often lasted for months), the test
animals and one or more control groups of like animals were
chloroformed. The groups were compared by a histological
examination
of the brain areas where the sensory data were enregistered. (To
facilitate the examination, Gates invented a staining technique
wherein electric current passed the stain through neurons in two
different directions. He also made major improvements in the
microscope's magnification.) As he suspected, the neuronal
structure
was always more highly developed in the test group. His conclusion
was that rigorous training of the senses gives more brain
structure,
and therefore, more mind with which to create.
--quoted from Elmer R. Gates site
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