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User: "St Dog the Wet"
Date: 16 Jun 2006 05:55:12 PM
Object: Can you tell me what happens next?
The Sequence of End Time Events
Matthew 24:7-8, 8-14, 14-21, 29-31.
The beginning of Sorrows (v 8)
War, rumors of war, famine, Pestilence
After the Beginning of Sorrows
The Affliction (v 9-12)
"You shall be hated for my Name's sake
"You will betray one another
"They will kill you
"The love of many will grow cold
After the Affliction
The Abomination of Desolation
The Great Tribulation v 14-21 Dan 9-27.
Then
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun
be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars
shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be
shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall
see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and
great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet,
and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds,
from one end of heaven to the other.
Luke 21:25-28.
List of End Time Events
29 Immediately after the tribulation
the sun be darkened, and
the moon shall not give her light, and
the stars shall fall from heaven, and
the powers of the heavens shall be shaken
Now we can compare a list of other Scripture which include these
signs:
There is, however, one major boundary or limit: The signs must
appear in the lifetime of a Single Generation. Mat 24:34 "This
generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
Jesus used "all these" two times in this discourse: "All these
are the beginning of sorrows," and "This generation shall not
pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
We are, then, looking for evidence that "all these" have occurred
in one generation.
War, rumors of war:
This generation has seen WW1, WW2
The release of Satan from the pit:
followed by the conquest of Gog and Magog by Godless Communism
who made war on an entire generation of Christians.
This generation listened to rumors of war for a long generation
between Gog and Magog and Modern Babylon - threatening the
destruction of the entire world with the use of nuclear weapons.
Plague and Famine:
The World wide flu epidemic of early 1900's, Polio, A.I.D.S
The Atomic Bomb (WMD)
World's Weather Change:
Known as "Greenhouse effect" and El Nino, the hole in the Ozone...
The return of God's People (Mat 1:21) to Jerusalem (Luke 21:24)
According to the fulfillment of the above signs, the beginning of
sorrows are past, and the next significant sign is the Affliction.
Just prior to the Affliction, God will mark His People (Rev 7:1)
Then, When His People are marked, "he who lets" will step aside
and the Beasts Kingdom will rise.
This event will be announced when the fourth seal is opened, and
the first trumpet is sounded.
The next three trumpets will follow quickly.
The Affliction of God's People will last 3 1/2 years, then...
About 3 1/2 years after Modern Rome comes to rule the Modern
World, Satan will proclaim himself to be "God," and will begin to
murder Christians who refuse to worship Him. (2 Thes 2:4, Rev
13:6-15) Those events will mark the midst of Daniel's 70'th Week.
Then, after Three and a half years of terror, war and
destruction, while God pours out the vials of His Wrath on the
Beast’s Kingdom, The End will come. Mat 24:29-31.
When the Lord comes he will bring those who were resurrected in
the First Resurrection with Him, (1 Thes 4:14-17, Rev 20:4) and
those of us who remain alive in the hills around Jerusalem will
be transformed (Mat 24:15-16, 1 Cor 15:50-54) and the dead will
be resurrected. (Rev 11:7-15, 18) We who remain and we who are
resurrected will rise to meet the Lord and the First Century
Saints who come with him. (Mat 24:31, Rev 14:1-5) Satan and his
armies will be defeated, and, with the false prophets and those
who rejected God and His Son, will we cast into the lake of fire.
(Rev 19:11-21, 20:9-15) This earth and the physical universe will
be destroyed in fervent heat, and we the saved will inherit the
new heaven and earth (2 Peter 3:3-12, Rev 21:1-7 et al) ON THE
SAME DAY, THAT DAY, THE DAY OF THE LORD!
There will be no "rapture," no "millennial reign."
This generation shall not all pass away until all the prophecy of
the coming of the Lord is finished.
In the words of John, "Even so, Lord, Come."
owd
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
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User: "Melchizedek"

Title: Re: Can you tell me what happens next? 18 Jun 2006 09:17:21 AM
ESCHATOLOGY - The Doctrine of Last Things.
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User: "St Dog the Wet"

Title: Re: Can you tell me what happens next? 18 Jun 2006 01:38:45 PM
Melchizedek wrote:




The Sequence of End Time Events
Matthew 24:7-8, 8-14, 14-21, 29-31.
The beginning of Sorrows (v 8)
War, rumors of war, famine, Pestilence
After the Beginning of Sorrows
The Affliction (v 9-12)
"You shall be hated for my Name's sake
"You will betray one another
"They will kill you
"The love of many will grow cold
After the Affliction
The Abomination of Desolation
The Great Tribulation v 14-21 Dan 9-27.
Then
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun
be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars
shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be
shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall
see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and
great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet,
and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds,
from one end of heaven to the other.
Luke 21:25-28.
List of End Time Events
29 Immediately after the tribulation
the sun be darkened, and
the moon shall not give her light, and
the stars shall fall from heaven, and
the powers of the heavens shall be shaken
Now we can compare a list of other Scripture which include these
signs:
There is, however, one major boundary or limit: The signs must
appear in the lifetime of a Single Generation. Mat 24:34 "This
generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
Jesus used "all these" two times in this discourse: "All these
are the beginning of sorrows," and "This generation shall not
pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
We are, then, looking for evidence that "all these" have occurred
in one generation.
War, rumors of war:
This generation has seen WW1, WW2
The release of Satan from the pit:
followed by the conquest of Gog and Magog by Godless Communism
who made war on an entire generation of Christians.
This generation listened to rumors of war for a long generation
between Gog and Magog and Modern Babylon - threatening the
destruction of the entire world with the use of nuclear weapons.
Plague and Famine:
The World wide flu epidemic of early 1900's, Polio, A.I.D.S
The Atomic Bomb (WMD)
World's Weather Change:
Known as "Greenhouse effect" and El Nino, the hole in the Ozone...
The return of God's People (Mat 1:21) to Jerusalem (Luke 21:24)
According to the fulfillment of the above signs, the beginning of
sorrows are past, and the next significant sign is the Affliction.
Just prior to the Affliction, God will mark His People (Rev 7:1)
Then, When His People are marked, "he who lets" will step aside
and the Beasts Kingdom will rise.
This event will be announced when the fourth seal is opened, and
the first trumpet is sounded.
The next three trumpets will follow quickly.
The Affliction of God's People will last 3 1/2 years, then...
About 3 1/2 years after Modern Rome comes to rule the Modern
World, Satan will proclaim himself to be "God," and will begin to
murder Christians who refuse to worship Him. (2 Thes 2:4, Rev
13:6-15) Those events will mark the midst of Daniel's 70'th Week.
Then, after Three and a half years of terror, war and
destruction, while God pours out the vials of His Wrath on the
Beast’s Kingdom, The End will come. Mat 24:29-31.
When the Lord comes he will bring those who were resurrected in
the First Resurrection with Him, (1 Thes 4:14-17, Rev 20:4) and
those of us who remain alive in the hills around Jerusalem will
be transformed (Mat 24:15-16, 1 Cor 15:50-54) and the dead will
be resurrected. (Rev 11:7-15, 18) We who remain and we who are
resurrected will rise to meet the Lord and the First Century
Saints who come with him. (Mat 24:31, Rev 14:1-5) Satan and his
armies will be defeated, and, with the false prophets and those
who rejected God and His Son, will we cast into the lake of fire.
(Rev 19:11-21, 20:9-15) This earth and the physical universe will
be destroyed in fervent heat, and we the saved will inherit the
new heaven and earth (2 Peter 3:3-12, Rev 21:1-7 et al) ON THE
SAME DAY, THAT DAY, THE DAY OF THE LORD!
There will be no "rapture," no "millennial reign."
This generation shall not all pass away until all the prophecy of
the coming of the Lord is finished.
In the words of John, "Even so, Lord, Come."
owd
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
..
.

User: "St Dog the Wet"

Title: Re: Can you tell me what happens next? 18 Jun 2006 10:32:48 AM
Melchizedek wrote:



'The Rapture' and the 'Millennial Reign of Christ on this Earth'
are
DOCTRINE OF DEVILS
In the previous post, "What Is a Doctrine of Devils?" I offered
the following list and presented scripture to demonstrate the
variations and kinds of false doctrines which are defined as
Doctrine of Devils.
Some common traits of Doctrines of Devils; a doctrine of devils
is one which,
A) Lies about God
lies about the Person or Character of God
makes false accusations against God
is blasphemy
B) Lies about God's Word
lies about what God has said
His promises to his people
His Word of Prophecy
C) Lies about God's People
about the Nation Israel (blood descendants of Abraham)
about Israel (descendants by adoption, sons by promise)
about Who God's People are
In this article I will first (PART ONE) present the teachings of
"the doctrine of the rapture" which fit the description above.
Second, (PART TWO) I will examine 'the rapture' doctrine, and
Scripture which is either used to support the false doctrine or
about which the false doctrine lies about, or contradicts.
Last, in the conclusion (PART THREE) I will present the evidence.
PART ONE
A: LIES ABOUT GOD
1.) Lies about Who Causes the Tribulation
This lie ignores the fact that Jesus told us who will cause
the Great Tribulation, and blames it on God. The lie is; that God
brings this tribulation on the world, and is, therefore
blasphemy. Since God is the cause of this tribulation, then God
would be unjust to bring this Tribulation on His People.
Rapture Doctrine teaches: The Tribulation
a) (is) to rain judgment on the "inhabitants of the earth" Rev
3:10; 8:13
*The Lie: John did not say "God would rain judgment" on the
inhabitants of the earth. What John did say (Rev 3:10) is, "the
hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world." And
(Rev 8:13) this says; "trumpet of the three angels," not Tribulation.
b) (is) God's wrath being poured out on his bride the church;
Because God has not appointed us to wrath 1 Thes 5:8-10
*The Lie: (see "WRATH" below) the confusion of God's Judgment and
the Vials of Wrath with the Great Tribulation; a false accusation
that God is the Cause of this Tribulation.
c) The Tribulation is an outpouring of God's wrath, Rev 6:16-17;
11:18; 14:19; 15:1; 16:1, 19
The Lie: not one of the quoted scriptures say this Wrath is The
Great Tribulation. (Mat 24:14-21, Rev 7:14) Another false
accusation, saying God is the cause of this Tribulation.
d) (is) a time of His judgment Rev 6:10; 11:10; 13:8, 12,
14;14:7; 15:4; 16:5-7; 17:8; 19:2
*The Lie: not one of the quoted scriptures equates God's Judgment
with The Great Tribulation, (Mat 24:14-21, Rev 7:14.) This is
another false accusation against God, blaming Him for the
Tribulation.
e) (is) Punishment Isa 24:21-22
*The Lie: this scripture does not equate the punishment described
as being The Great Tribulation: 'rapture' doctrine does not
recognize the source, cause or time of this punishment in the
sequence of End Time Events. This scripture, in context,
describes the events of THAT DAY. (2 Pet 3:3-12, Isa 27:13)(Mat
24:14-21, Rev 7:14)
2.) Lies about What the Tribulation Is
"The twofold purpose of the Tribulation, is to prepare Israel,
spiritually, for the Messiah she rejected the first time
(Jeremiah 30-33), and to rain judgment on the 'inhabitants of the
earth' (Rev 3:10; 8:13)."
"The Tribulation is the time of "Jacob's trouble..." Jeremiah 30:7
This lie is two sided:
a) That it is God's punishment on Israel for rejecting the
Messiah, to prepare Israel spiritually to receive Him during His
reign on earth, Jeremiah 30-33
*The Lie: There is no Scripture which teaches the Great
Tribulation is to prepare Israel, or that God is the cause of
this Tribulation (Jacob's trouble). This lie denies that the New
Covenant was made with the House of Israel and the House of Judah
in the day of Pentecost, AD 33. Acts 2
*The Lie exposed: This scripture, (Jer 30:7) in context, is a
description of That Day, the Day of The Lord; it is not a
description of "Jacob's Trouble:" But it is the day of salvation
for God's People. Compare other scriptures describing That Day,
The Day of The Lord, The Day of God and the events of That Day. 2
Pet 3:3-12
b) That this tribulation is "God's Wrath on the people of the
World." (see #1.a)
Since the Church (according to 'rapture' doctrine) is not Israel,
then this tribulation (according to 'the rapture' doctrine) is
not on the Church (proving the Church absent, according to
'rapture' doctrine, during this time). (This is a lie about who
the Church is. See #C)
*The Lie exposed: see:
The Church / the Kingdom http://tinyurl.com/sxkcz
And
The Church in the Last Days http://tinyurl.com/mfb9l
*The Lie exposed: John did not say "tribulation" in 3:13; his
word is "temptation."
*The Lie exposed: John did not say "rain judgment" on the world;
his words are "Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by
reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,
which are yet to sound! The "last three trumpets" are not The
Great Tribulation described by Jesus. Mat 24:14-21
B: Rapture Doctrine: Lies About God's Word
These lies either claim the Word of God states something it does
not, or that it does not mean or say what it in fact does say.
a) "the return of Christ for the church could happen at any time,
John 14:2-3; Acts 1:11; 1 Cor 15:51-52; Phil 3:20; Col 3:4; 1
Thes 1:10; 1 Tim 6:14; James 5:8; 2 Pet 3:3-4 (See below)
*The Lie: none of the quoted scriptures says 'the Lord could
return at any time,' nor do they support that statement.
b) The Doctrine of the rapture states that Tribulation is the
"outpouring of God's Wrath" (Rev 6:16-17; 11:18; 14:19; 15:1;
16:1, 19)
*The Lie: none of the quoted scriptures says "the Great
Tribulation is the outpouring of God's Wrath," nor do they
support that statement.
c) The Doctrine of the rapture states that Tribulation is the "A
time of His Judgment" (Rev 6:10; 11:10; 13:8, 12, 14;14:7; 15:4;
16:5-7; 17:8; 19:2)
*The Lie: not one of the quoted scriptures says "the Tribulation
is a time of His judgment," nor do they support that statement.
d) The Doctrine of the rapture states that "Tribulation and time
of Punishment" Isa 24:21-22
*The Lie: The quoted scripture does say this is a time of
punishment: but does not equate this punishment with The Great
Tribulation as described by Jesus. Mat 24:14-21. This scripture
says, "And it shall come to pass in that day," and the student of
His Word who loves truth will compare other scripture which
describes "that day," the day of the Lord. 2 Pet 3:3-12.
C: "Rapture Doctrine: Lies about God's People
a) "Because Tribulation saints are not the church"
*The Lie: The term "tribulation saints" is not found in the word
of God. (see #c below)
b) Because God promised to deliver the church from the hour of
Tribulation, Revelation 3:10
*The Lie: The word "Tribulation" is not used in this Scripture --
the word used is "temptation."
c) "Revelation 1-3 addresses believers as the "church" something
like 19 times before Revelation 4 refers to the judgments which
shall be "hereafter" falling on "the inhabitants of the earth"
*The Lie: The terms "Saints, Brethren, Brothers, Elect, We Who
Remain, The Twelve Tribes, Israel of God and Witnesses" are used
throughout the Word of God to name His People.
The Church / the Kingdom : http://tinyurl.com/sxkcz
The Church in the Last Days : http://tinyurl.com/mfb9l
PART TWO
Comparing the False Doctrine with the Scripture
Wrath
"God has not appointed us to wrath" 1 Thes 5:8-10
This confusion of Tribulation with both The Vials of Wrath and
the Wrath of God's Judgment is a deliberate effort to,
1.) Lie about God (stating or inferring that God is the source or
cause of The Tribulation)
2.) Lie about God's Word (stating or inferring the God's Word
teaches the escape from The Tribulation)
This Statement ("God has not appointed us to wrath") BEGGS us to
answer the question: "Who Has God Appointed To Wrath?"
When did Salvation Come?
It is written that we are not appointed to wrath. "Jesus which
hath delivered us from the wrath to come." 1 Thes 1:10 and 5:9.
The term `delivered' is past tense: that is, this is something
which has been done, not prophecy about something which will be
done at the end of time. "Now is come salvation, and strength,
and the Kingdom of our God..." Rev 12:10. Notice that the vision
in Rev 12 is of the birth of Christ, so this is a 'first century'
event. Salvation came to all who receive Christ when He died as
our sacrifice.
How did we get salvation? By the death of the Lamb of God. When
did we get salvation? When we accepted the death of the Lamb of
God as atonement for our sins. Mat 1:21, Acts 2:37-47, Col 1:12-14
First Century Saints
This "saved from wrath" means the same thing to us it meant to
the First Century Saints. That is, by His sacrifice the Messiah
has saved us from the eternal separation from God which we earned
by our sins: grace rather than judgment. Acts 2:21, 47; 15:11;
Rom 5:9, 1 Cor 5:5
The First Century Saints were saved from wrath, just as we are;
and still suffered Tribulation, just as we will. Rev 6:9-11,
7:14, 11:3-15, 13.
Who Did God Appoint To Wrath?
"But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up to
thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the
righteous judgment of God." Rom 2:5-8. Those who reject the
Messiah, deny Truth and refuse to repent from their life of
rebellion are appointed to wrath.
When will those who are appointed to wrath receive that wrath? On
That Day, the Day of Judgment. Rev 11:18, Zep 1:15-16.
Vials of Wrath
And please note: the Vials of wrath are poured out upon the
Beast's Kingdom, not upon the Saints -- just as the 10 Plagues
were poured out upon the Egyptians, not on the Twelve Tribes of
Judah. Rev 16:1-10
Outpouring of Wrath
The Doctrine of 'the rapture states' that Tribulation is the
"outpouring of God's Wrath" (Rev 6:16-17; 11:18; 14:19; 15:1;
16:1, 19)
Examine the scripture to see if these things be so. Acts 17:11-12
These quoted scripture do have one thing in common: they do
contain the word "wrath." However, not one defines this Wrath as
"the Tribulation," or as 'the outpouring of God's Wrath."
Rev 6:16-17
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, fall on us, and hide us
from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the
wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able
to stand?
Rev 11:18
"And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time
of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest
give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints,
and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest
destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 14:19
"And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered
the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of
the wrath of God.
Rev 15:1
"And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven
angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up
the wrath of God.
Rev 16:1, 19
1, And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the
seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath
of God upon the earth.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the
cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance
before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the
fierceness of his wrath.
Do any of the Quoted Scripture state that "the Tribulation is the
outpouring of God's Wrath"? No. Because the Doctrine of 'the
rapture' states that The Tribulation is an outpouring of God's
Wrath, then this is both a lie about God and God's Conduct, and
His Word.
Judgment Wrath
The Doctrine of the rapture states that Tribulation is the "A
time of His Judgment" (Rev 6:10; 11:10; 13:8, 12, 14;14:7; 15:4;
16:5-7; 17:8; 19:2)
Examine the scripture to see if these things be so. Acts 17:11-12.
Rev 6:10
"And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy
and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that
dwell on the earth?
Rev 11:10
"And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and
make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these
two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Rev 13:8, 12, 14,
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose
names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from
the foundation of the world.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him,
and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the
first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of
those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the
beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should
make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and
did live.
Rev 14:7
"Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for
the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made
heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Rev 15:4
"Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou
only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before
thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
Rev 16:5-7
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O
Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged
thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou
hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that
dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in
the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they
behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 19:2
2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged
the great *****, which did corrupt the earth with her
fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
Do any of the Quoted Scripture say "the Tribulation is a time of
God's Judgment"? No. The quoted scriptures do not all contain the
word 'Judgment' or 'Judge,' and none contain "tribulation" or
describe "The Great Tribulation" as God's Judgment. (Mat 24:14-21)
Time of Punishment
The Doctrine of the rapture states that Tribulation and time of
"Punishment" Isa 24:21-22
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall
punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings
of the earth upon the earth.
22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered
in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many
days shall they be visited.
Does this Quoted Scripture say "the Tribulation is a time of
God's Punishment"? No. The quoted scripture does not define
"Punish" or "punishment" as Tribulation, does not contain the
word "tribulation," nor describe "tribulation" AS punishment.
This scripture does not equate the punishment described as being
The Great Tribulation, nor recognize the source, cause or time in
the sequence of End Time Events of this punishment. This
scripture, in context, describes the events of THAT DAY. (2 Pet
3:3-12, Isa 27:13)(Mat 24:14-21, Rev 7:14)
PART THREE
Putting it all together; The Conclusion
A) LIES ABOUT GOD
To lie and falsely accuse God is an act of Blasphemy
1.) The rapture states that The Great Tribulation is the "A
time of His Judgment"
*This is a false accusation against God. (Mat 24:14-21)
2.) The rapture states that The Great Tribulation is the
"outpouring of God's Wrath"
*This is a false accusation against God. (Mat 24:14-21)
These false accusations against God ignore the fact that
Christ, and the Word of God, reveals both the source and causes
of the Great Tribulation. (Mat 24:14-21)
B) LIES ABOUT GOD'S WORD
1.) The return of Christ for the church could happen at any
time, John 14:2-3; Acts 1:11; 1 Cor 15:51-52; Phil 3:20; Col 3:4;
1 Thes 1:10; 1 Tim 6:14; James 5:8; 2 Pet 3:3-4
*The Lie about God's Word: Not one of the quoted scriptures say;
'the Lord could return at any time,' nor do they support that
statement.
2.) The Doctrine of the rapture states that Tribulation is
the "outpouring of God's Wrath" (Rev 6:16-17; 11:18; 14:19; 15:1;
16:1, 19)
*The Lie about God's Word: Not one of the quoted scriptures say;
'The Tribulation is an outpouring of God's Wrath,' nor do they
support that statement.
3.) The Doctrine of the rapture states that Tribulation is
the "A time of His Judgment" (Rev 6:10; 11:10; 13:8, 12, 14;14:7;
15:4; 16:5-7; 17:8; 19:2)
*The Lie about God's Word: Not one of the quoted scriptures say;
'The Tribulation is a time of His judgment,' nor do they support
that statement.
4.) The Doctrine of the rapture states that Tribulation and
time of "Punishment" Isa 24:21-22
*The Lie about God's Word: This scripture does not define
"Punish" or "punishment" as Tribulation, does not contain the
word "tribulation," nor describe "tribulation" AS punishment.
C) LIES ABOUT GOD'S PEOPLE
1.) The rapture denies that the New Covenant was established
with the House of Israel and the House of Judah (blood
descendants of Abraham)
*The Lie: The New Covenant was established with the House of
Israel and House of Judah on the Day of Pentecost, in AD 33. Jer
31:31, Acts 2.
2.) The rapture denies that "Tribulation saints" are the Church
*The Lie: The term "tribulation saints" is not found in the word
of God. (see #c below.)
3.) The rapture claims that God promised to deliver the
church from the hour of Tribulation, Revelation 3:10
*The Lie: The word "Tribulation" is not used in this Scripture --
the word used is "temptation."
4.) "Revelation 1-3 addresses believers as the "church"
something like 19 times before Revelation 4 refers to the
judgments which shall be "hereafter" falling on "the inhabitants
of the earth"
*The Lie: The terms "Saints, Brethren, Brothers, Elect, We Who
Remain, The Twelve Tribes, Israel of God, and Witnesses are used
throughout the Word of God to name His People.
CONCLUSION
Both "the rapture doctrine" and "the millennial reign of Christ
on this earth" are in fact Doctrine of Devils.
THE BIGGEST LIE
Perhaps the Grandest Lie ever presented to God's People --
and mankind -- is that God is the cause, and is to be blamed for,
the Great Tribulation which the false "God" of Modern Rome will
cause.
For the entire past generation, perhaps the last 80 years, the
writers, teachers and preachers of "the rapture" have been
selling this Doctrine of Devils to mankind. Embedded in the false
hope of their escape from Tribulation is concealed the cause and
source of the suffering the Church is to escape.
The entire world has become aware of the false hope of the
Church's escape, and they laugh at the ridiculous visions of cars
running empty on streets while Christians are whisked into the
sky. The world laughs; but they are not so blind or ignorant that
they miss the not so subtle statement that it is God who brings
this Tribulation on the world.
So the World knows Christians believe that God is the source and
causes of the Tribulation coming on the world. And who taught the
world this lie? Was it Satan? No, not as far as the world knows:
it was Christianity.
So Satan has used God's People to tell The Biggest Lie to the
entire World!
Now, while Satan laughs, and the tribulation becomes impossible
to ignore or deny, the people of the world will blame Christians
-- because, after all, the Church taught them that it is the God
of Abraham who is the cause of this Tribulation.
TRUTH LOST
During the last generation the Church has lost the
opportunity to teach her people the Truth: That Modern Rome will
soon rise to rule the World; that Satan will occupy the body
prepared for him and then proclaim himself to be "God."
During this generation the Church has lost the opportunity to
teach the World the Truth: that Satan's conquest of the world and
claiming to be "God" is the cause of Tribulation.
Because The Church has failed to recognize this Doctrine of
Devils, and has failed to teach both God's People and the people
of the world the truth, the Church will endure the Tribulation of
these Last Days.
Because these false teachers and prophets have lied and added
words to the visions of John, they have added the wrath of the
seven vials of God's Wrath to their own lives.
If you are one who has believed the lies of the 'rapture' and the
'millennial reign of Christ on this earth,' and you will not
abandon these lies, you too will receive your portion of the
vials of God's Wrath.
If you are one who has refused to abandon these lies you will
also endure the laughter and ridicule of those who hate you --
when they discover you can not escape.
It Is Done: There will be no more delay.
oldwetdog
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Title: Re: Can you tell me what happens next? 18 Jun 2006 09:16:33 AM
The Sequence of End Time Events
ESCHATOLOGY - The Doctrine of Last Things.
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User: "St Dog the Wet"

Title: Re: Can you tell me what happens next? 18 Jun 2006 01:38:19 PM
Melchizedek wrote:




The Sequence of End Time Events
Matthew 24:7-8, 8-14, 14-21, 29-31.
The beginning of Sorrows (v 8)
War, rumors of war, famine, Pestilence
After the Beginning of Sorrows
The Affliction (v 9-12)
"You shall be hated for my Name's sake
"You will betray one another
"They will kill you
"The love of many will grow cold
After the Affliction
The Abomination of Desolation
The Great Tribulation v 14-21 Dan 9-27.
Then
29 Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun
be darkened, and the moon shall not give her light, and the stars
shall fall from heaven, and the powers of the heavens shall be
shaken:
30 And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven:
and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall
see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and
great glory.
31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet,
and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds,
from one end of heaven to the other.
Luke 21:25-28.
List of End Time Events
29 Immediately after the tribulation
the sun be darkened, and
the moon shall not give her light, and
the stars shall fall from heaven, and
the powers of the heavens shall be shaken
Now we can compare a list of other Scripture which include these
signs:
There is, however, one major boundary or limit: The signs must
appear in the lifetime of a Single Generation. Mat 24:34 "This
generation shall not pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
Jesus used "all these" two times in this discourse: "All these
are the beginning of sorrows," and "This generation shall not
pass, till all these things be fulfilled."
We are, then, looking for evidence that "all these" have occurred
in one generation.
War, rumors of war:
This generation has seen WW1, WW2
The release of Satan from the pit:
followed by the conquest of Gog and Magog by Godless Communism
who made war on an entire generation of Christians.
This generation listened to rumors of war for a long generation
between Gog and Magog and Modern Babylon - threatening the
destruction of the entire world with the use of nuclear weapons.
Plague and Famine:
The World wide flu epidemic of early 1900's, Polio, A.I.D.S
The Atomic Bomb (WMD)
World's Weather Change:
Known as "Greenhouse effect" and El Nino, the hole in the Ozone...
The return of God's People (Mat 1:21) to Jerusalem (Luke 21:24)
According to the fulfillment of the above signs, the beginning of
sorrows are past, and the next significant sign is the Affliction.
Just prior to the Affliction, God will mark His People (Rev 7:1)
Then, When His People are marked, "he who lets" will step aside
and the Beasts Kingdom will rise.
This event will be announced when the fourth seal is opened, and
the first trumpet is sounded.
The next three trumpets will follow quickly.
The Affliction of God's People will last 3 1/2 years, then...
About 3 1/2 years after Modern Rome comes to rule the Modern
World, Satan will proclaim himself to be "God," and will begin to
murder Christians who refuse to worship Him. (2 Thes 2:4, Rev
13:6-15) Those events will mark the midst of Daniel's 70'th Week.
Then, after Three and a half years of terror, war and
destruction, while God pours out the vials of His Wrath on the
Beast’s Kingdom, The End will come. Mat 24:29-31.
When the Lord comes he will bring those who were resurrected in
the First Resurrection with Him, (1 Thes 4:14-17, Rev 20:4) and
those of us who remain alive in the hills around Jerusalem will
be transformed (Mat 24:15-16, 1 Cor 15:50-54) and the dead will
be resurrected. (Rev 11:7-15, 18) We who remain and we who are
resurrected will rise to meet the Lord and the First Century
Saints who come with him. (Mat 24:31, Rev 14:1-5) Satan and his
armies will be defeated, and, with the false prophets and those
who rejected God and His Son, will we cast into the lake of fire.
(Rev 19:11-21, 20:9-15) This earth and the physical universe will
be destroyed in fervent heat, and we the saved will inherit the
new heaven and earth (2 Peter 3:3-12, Rev 21:1-7 et al) ON THE
SAME DAY, THAT DAY, THE DAY OF THE LORD!
There will be no "rapture," no "millennial reign."
This generation shall not all pass away until all the prophecy of
the coming of the Lord is finished.
In the words of John, "Even so, Lord, Come."
owd
http://www.xprt.net/~servitum/
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User: "St Dog the Wet"

Title: Re: Can you tell me what happens next? 18 Jun 2006 10:32:23 AM
Melchizedek wrote:



'The Rapture' and the 'Millennial Reign of Christ on this Earth'
are
DOCTRINE OF DEVILS
In the previous post, "What Is a Doctrine of Devils?" I offered
the following list and presented scripture to demonstrate the
variations and kinds of false doctrines which are defined as
Doctrine of Devils.
Some common traits of Doctrines of Devils; a doctrine of devils
is one which,
A) Lies about God
lies about the Person or Character of God
makes false accusations against God
is blasphemy
B) Lies about God's Word
lies about what God has said
His promises to his people
His Word of Prophecy
C) Lies about God's People
about the Nation Israel (blood descendants of Abraham)
about Israel (descendants by adoption, sons by promise)
about Who God's People are
In this article I will first (PART ONE) present the teachings of
"the doctrine of the rapture" which fit the description above.
Second, (PART TWO) I will examine 'the rapture' doctrine, and
Scripture which is either used to support the false doctrine or
about which the false doctrine lies about, or contradicts.
Last, in the conclusion (PART THREE) I will present the evidence.
PART ONE
A: LIES ABOUT GOD
1.) Lies about Who Causes the Tribulation
This lie ignores the fact that Jesus told us who will cause
the Great Tribulation, and blames it on God. The lie is; that God
brings this tribulation on the world, and is, therefore
blasphemy. Since God is the cause of this tribulation, then God
would be unjust to bring this Tribulation on His People.
Rapture Doctrine teaches: The Tribulation
a) (is) to rain judgment on the "inhabitants of the earth" Rev
3:10; 8:13
*The Lie: John did not say "God would rain judgment" on the
inhabitants of the earth. What John did say (Rev 3:10) is, "the
hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world." And
(Rev 8:13) this says; "trumpet of the three angels," not Tribulation.
b) (is) God's wrath being poured out on his bride the church;
Because God has not appointed us to wrath 1 Thes 5:8-10
*The Lie: (see "WRATH" below) the confusion of God's Judgment and
the Vials of Wrath with the Great Tribulation; a false accusation
that God is the Cause of this Tribulation.
c) The Tribulation is an outpouring of God's wrath, Rev 6:16-17;
11:18; 14:19; 15:1; 16:1, 19
The Lie: not one of the quoted scriptures say this Wrath is The
Great Tribulation. (Mat 24:14-21, Rev 7:14) Another false
accusation, saying God is the cause of this Tribulation.
d) (is) a time of His judgment Rev 6:10; 11:10; 13:8, 12,
14;14:7; 15:4; 16:5-7; 17:8; 19:2
*The Lie: not one of the quoted scriptures equates God's Judgment
with The Great Tribulation, (Mat 24:14-21, Rev 7:14.) This is
another false accusation against God, blaming Him for the
Tribulation.
e) (is) Punishment Isa 24:21-22
*The Lie: this scripture does not equate the punishment described
as being The Great Tribulation: 'rapture' doctrine does not
recognize the source, cause or time of this punishment in the
sequence of End Time Events. This scripture, in context,
describes the events of THAT DAY. (2 Pet 3:3-12, Isa 27:13)(Mat
24:14-21, Rev 7:14)
2.) Lies about What the Tribulation Is
"The twofold purpose of the Tribulation, is to prepare Israel,
spiritually, for the Messiah she rejected the first time
(Jeremiah 30-33), and to rain judgment on the 'inhabitants of the
earth' (Rev 3:10; 8:13)."
"The Tribulation is the time of "Jacob's trouble..." Jeremiah 30:7
This lie is two sided:
a) That it is God's punishment on Israel for rejecting the
Messiah, to prepare Israel spiritually to receive Him during His
reign on earth, Jeremiah 30-33
*The Lie: There is no Scripture which teaches the Great
Tribulation is to prepare Israel, or that God is the cause of
this Tribulation (Jacob's trouble). This lie denies that the New
Covenant was made with the House of Israel and the House of Judah
in the day of Pentecost, AD 33. Acts 2
*The Lie exposed: This scripture, (Jer 30:7) in context, is a
description of That Day, the Day of The Lord; it is not a
description of "Jacob's Trouble:" But it is the day of salvation
for God's People. Compare other scriptures describing That Day,
The Day of The Lord, The Day of God and the events of That Day. 2
Pet 3:3-12
b) That this tribulation is "God's Wrath on the people of the
World." (see #1.a)
Since the Church (according to 'rapture' doctrine) is not Israel,
then this tribulation (according to 'the rapture' doctrine) is
not on the Church (proving the Church absent, according to
'rapture' doctrine, during this time). (This is a lie about who
the Church is. See #C)
*The Lie exposed: see:
The Church / the Kingdom http://tinyurl.com/sxkcz
And
The Church in the Last Days http://tinyurl.com/mfb9l
*The Lie exposed: John did not say "tribulation" in 3:13; his
word is "temptation."
*The Lie exposed: John did not say "rain judgment" on the world;
his words are "Woe, woe, woe, to the inhabiters of the earth by
reason of the other voices of the trumpet of the three angels,
which are yet to sound! The "last three trumpets" are not The
Great Tribulation described by Jesus. Mat 24:14-21
B: Rapture Doctrine: Lies About God's Word
These lies either claim the Word of God states something it does
not, or that it does not mean or say what it in fact does say.
a) "the return of Christ for the church could happen at any time,
John 14:2-3; Acts 1:11; 1 Cor 15:51-52; Phil 3:20; Col 3:4; 1
Thes 1:10; 1 Tim 6:14; James 5:8; 2 Pet 3:3-4 (See below)
*The Lie: none of the quoted scriptures says 'the Lord could
return at any time,' nor do they support that statement.
b) The Doctrine of the rapture states that Tribulation is the
"outpouring of God's Wrath" (Rev 6:16-17; 11:18; 14:19; 15:1;
16:1, 19)
*The Lie: none of the quoted scriptures says "the Great
Tribulation is the outpouring of God's Wrath," nor do they
support that statement.
c) The Doctrine of the rapture states that Tribulation is the "A
time of His Judgment" (Rev 6:10; 11:10; 13:8, 12, 14;14:7; 15:4;
16:5-7; 17:8; 19:2)
*The Lie: not one of the quoted scriptures says "the Tribulation
is a time of His judgment," nor do they support that statement.
d) The Doctrine of the rapture states that "Tribulation and time
of Punishment" Isa 24:21-22
*The Lie: The quoted scripture does say this is a time of
punishment: but does not equate this punishment with The Great
Tribulation as described by Jesus. Mat 24:14-21. This scripture
says, "And it shall come to pass in that day," and the student of
His Word who loves truth will compare other scripture which
describes "that day," the day of the Lord. 2 Pet 3:3-12.
C: "Rapture Doctrine: Lies about God's People
a) "Because Tribulation saints are not the church"
*The Lie: The term "tribulation saints" is not found in the word
of God. (see #c below)
b) Because God promised to deliver the church from the hour of
Tribulation, Revelation 3:10
*The Lie: The word "Tribulation" is not used in this Scripture --
the word used is "temptation."
c) "Revelation 1-3 addresses believers as the "church" something
like 19 times before Revelation 4 refers to the judgments which
shall be "hereafter" falling on "the inhabitants of the earth"
*The Lie: The terms "Saints, Brethren, Brothers, Elect, We Who
Remain, The Twelve Tribes, Israel of God and Witnesses" are used
throughout the Word of God to name His People.
The Church / the Kingdom : http://tinyurl.com/sxkcz
The Church in the Last Days : http://tinyurl.com/mfb9l
PART TWO
Comparing the False Doctrine with the Scripture
Wrath
"God has not appointed us to wrath" 1 Thes 5:8-10
This confusion of Tribulation with both The Vials of Wrath and
the Wrath of God's Judgment is a deliberate effort to,
1.) Lie about God (stating or inferring that God is the source or
cause of The Tribulation)
2.) Lie about God's Word (stating or inferring the God's Word
teaches the escape from The Tribulation)
This Statement ("God has not appointed us to wrath") BEGGS us to
answer the question: "Who Has God Appointed To Wrath?"
When did Salvation Come?
It is written that we are not appointed to wrath. "Jesus which
hath delivered us from the wrath to come." 1 Thes 1:10 and 5:9.
The term `delivered' is past tense: that is, this is something
which has been done, not prophecy about something which will be
done at the end of time. "Now is come salvation, and strength,
and the Kingdom of our God..." Rev 12:10. Notice that the vision
in Rev 12 is of the birth of Christ, so this is a 'first century'
event. Salvation came to all who receive Christ when He died as
our sacrifice.
How did we get salvation? By the death of the Lamb of God. When
did we get salvation? When we accepted the death of the Lamb of
God as atonement for our sins. Mat 1:21, Acts 2:37-47, Col 1:12-14
First Century Saints
This "saved from wrath" means the same thing to us it meant to
the First Century Saints. That is, by His sacrifice the Messiah
has saved us from the eternal separation from God which we earned
by our sins: grace rather than judgment. Acts 2:21, 47; 15:11;
Rom 5:9, 1 Cor 5:5
The First Century Saints were saved from wrath, just as we are;
and still suffered Tribulation, just as we will. Rev 6:9-11,
7:14, 11:3-15, 13.
Who Did God Appoint To Wrath?
"But after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up to
thyself wrath against the day of wrath and revelation of the
righteous judgment of God." Rom 2:5-8. Those who reject the
Messiah, deny Truth and refuse to repent from their life of
rebellion are appointed to wrath.
When will those who are appointed to wrath receive that wrath? On
That Day, the Day of Judgment. Rev 11:18, Zep 1:15-16.
Vials of Wrath
And please note: the Vials of wrath are poured out upon the
Beast's Kingdom, not upon the Saints -- just as the 10 Plagues
were poured out upon the Egyptians, not on the Twelve Tribes of
Judah. Rev 16:1-10
Outpouring of Wrath
The Doctrine of 'the rapture states' that Tribulation is the
"outpouring of God's Wrath" (Rev 6:16-17; 11:18; 14:19; 15:1;
16:1, 19)
Examine the scripture to see if these things be so. Acts 17:11-12
These quoted scripture do have one thing in common: they do
contain the word "wrath." However, not one defines this Wrath as
"the Tribulation," or as 'the outpouring of God's Wrath."
Rev 6:16-17
16 And said to the mountains and rocks, fall on us, and hide us
from the face of him that sitteth on the throne, and from the
wrath of the Lamb:
17 For the great day of his wrath is come; and who shall be able
to stand?
Rev 11:18
"And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time
of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest
give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints,
and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest
destroy them which destroy the earth.
Rev 14:19
"And the angel thrust in his sickle into the earth, and gathered
the vine of the earth, and cast it into the great winepress of
the wrath of God.
Rev 15:1
"And I saw another sign in heaven, great and marvellous, seven
angels having the seven last plagues; for in them is filled up
the wrath of God.
Rev 16:1, 19
1, And I heard a great voice out of the temple saying to the
seven angels, Go your ways, and pour out the vials of the wrath
of God upon the earth.
19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the
cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance
before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the
fierceness of his wrath.
Do any of the Quoted Scripture state that "the Tribulation is the
outpouring of God's Wrath"? No. Because the Doctrine of 'the
rapture' states that The Tribulation is an outpouring of God's
Wrath, then this is both a lie about God and God's Conduct, and
His Word.
Judgment Wrath
The Doctrine of the rapture states that Tribulation is the "A
time of His Judgment" (Rev 6:10; 11:10; 13:8, 12, 14;14:7; 15:4;
16:5-7; 17:8; 19:2)
Examine the scripture to see if these things be so. Acts 17:11-12.
Rev 6:10
"And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy
and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that
dwell on the earth?
Rev 11:10
"And they that dwell upon the earth shall rejoice over them, and
make merry, and shall send gifts one to another; because these
two prophets tormented them that dwelt on the earth.
Rev 13:8, 12, 14,
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose
names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from
the foundation of the world.
12 And he exerciseth all the power of the first beast before him,
and causeth the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the
first beast, whose deadly wound was healed.
14 And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the means of
those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the
beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should
make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and
did live.
Rev 14:7
"Saying with a loud voice, Fear God, and give glory to him; for
the hour of his judgment is come: and worship him that made
heaven, and earth, and the sea, and the fountains of waters.
Rev 15:4
"Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou
only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before
thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.
Rev 16:5-7
5 And I heard the angel of the waters say, Thou art righteous, O
Lord, which art, and wast, and shalt be, because thou hast judged
thus.
6 For they have shed the blood of saints and prophets, and thou
hast given them blood to drink; for they are worthy.
Rev 17:8
8 The beast that thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend
out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition: and they that
dwell on the earth shall wonder, whose names were not written in
the book of life from the foundation of the world, when they
behold the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.
Rev 19:2
2 For true and righteous are his judgments: for he hath judged
the great *****, which did corrupt the earth with her
fornication, and hath avenged the blood of his servants at her hand.
Do any of the Quoted Scripture say "the Tribulation is a time of
God's Judgment"? No. The quoted scriptures do not all contain the
word 'Judgment' or 'Judge,' and none contain "tribulation" or
describe "The Great Tribulation" as God's Judgment. (Mat 24:14-21)
Time of Punishment
The Doctrine of the rapture states that Tribulation and time of
"Punishment" Isa 24:21-22
21 And it shall come to pass in that day, that the LORD shall
punish the host of the high ones that are on high, and the kings
of the earth upon the earth.
22 And they shall be gathered together, as prisoners are gathered
in the pit, and shall be shut up in the prison, and after many
days shall they be visited.
Does this Quoted Scripture say "the Tribulation is a time of
God's Punishment"? No. The quoted scripture does not define
"Punish" or "punishment" as Tribulation, does not contain the
word "tribulation," nor describe "tribulation" AS punishment.
This scripture does not equate the punishment described as being
The Great Tribulation, nor recognize the source, cause or time in
the sequence of End Time Events of this punishment. This
scripture, in context, describes the events of THAT DAY. (2 Pet
3:3-12, Isa 27:13)(Mat 24:14-21, Rev 7:14)
PART THREE
Putting it all together; The Conclusion
A) LIES ABOUT GOD
To lie and falsely accuse God is an act of Blasphemy
1.) The rapture states that The Great Tribulation is the "A
time of His Judgment"
*This is a false accusation against God. (Mat 24:14-21)
2.) The rapture states that The Great Tribulation is the
"outpouring of God's Wrath"
*This is a false accusation against God. (Mat 24:14-21)
These false accusations against God ignore the fact that
Christ, and the Word of God, reveals both the source and causes
of the Great Tribulation. (Mat 24:14-21)
B) LIES ABOUT GOD'S WORD
1.) The return of Christ for the church could happen at any
time, John 14:2-3; Acts 1:11; 1 Cor 15:51-52; Phil 3:20; Col 3:4;
1 Thes 1:10; 1 Tim 6:14; James 5:8; 2 Pet 3:3-4
*The Lie about God's Word: Not one of the quoted scriptures say;
'the Lord could return at any time,' nor do they support that
statement.
2.) The Doctrine of the rapture states that Tribulation is
the "outpouring of God's Wrath" (Rev 6:16-17; 11:18; 14:19; 15:1;
16:1, 19)
*The Lie about God's Word: Not one of the quoted scriptures say;
'The Tribulation is an outpouring of God's Wrath,' nor do they
support that statement.
3.) The Doctrine of the rapture states that Tribulation is
the "A time of His Judgment" (Rev 6:10; 11:10; 13:8, 12, 14;14:7;
15:4; 16:5-7; 17:8; 19:2)
*The Lie about God's Word: Not one of the quoted scriptures say;
'The Tribulation is a time of His judgment,' nor do they support
that statement.
4.) The Doctrine of the rapture states that Tribulation and
time of "Punishment" Isa 24:21-22
*The Lie about God's Word: This scripture does not define
"Punish" or "punishment" as Tribulation, does not contain the
word "tribulation," nor describe "tribulation" AS punishment.
C) LIES ABOUT GOD'S PEOPLE
1.) The rapture denies that the New Covenant was established
with the House of Israel and the House of Judah (blood
descendants of Abraham)
*The Lie: The New Covenant was established with the House of
Israel and House of Judah on the Day of Pentecost, in AD 33. Jer
31:31, Acts 2.
2.) The rapture denies that "Tribulation saints" are the Church
*The Lie: The term "tribulation saints" is not found in the word
of God. (see #c below.)
3.) The rapture claims that God promised to deliver the
church from the hour of Tribulation, Revelation 3:10
*The Lie: The word "Tribulation" is not used in this Scripture --
the word used is "temptation."
4.) "Revelation 1-3 addresses believers as the "church"
something like 19 times before Revelation 4 refers to the
judgments which shall be "hereafter" falling on "the inhabitants
of the earth"
*The Lie: The terms "Saints, Brethren, Brothers, Elect, We Who
Remain, The Twelve Tribes, Israel of God, and Witnesses are used
throughout the Word of God to name His People.
CONCLUSION
Both "the rapture doctrine" and "the millennial reign of Christ
on this earth" are in fact Doctrine of Devils.
THE BIGGEST LIE
Perhaps the Grandest Lie ever presented to God's People --
and mankind -- is that God is the cause, and is to be blamed for,
the Great Tribulation which the false "God" of Modern Rome will
cause.
For the entire past generation, perhaps the last 80 years, the
writers, teachers and preachers of "the rapture" have been
selling this Doctrine of Devils to mankind. Embedded in the false
hope of their escape from Tribulation is concealed the cause and
source of the suffering the Church is to escape.
The entire world has become aware of the false hope of the
Church's escape, and they laugh at the ridiculous visions of cars
running empty on streets while Christians are whisked into the
sky. The world laughs; but they are not so blind or ignorant that
they miss the not so subtle statement that it is God who brings
this Tribulation on the world.
So the World knows Christians believe that God is the source and
causes of the Tribulation coming on the world. And who taught the
world this lie? Was it Satan? No, not as far as the world knows:
it was Christianity.
So Satan has used God's People to tell The Biggest Lie to the
entire World!
Now, while Satan laughs, and the tribulation becomes impossible
to ignore or deny, the people of the world will blame Christians
-- because, after all, the Church taught them that it is the God
of Abraham who is the cause of this Tribulation.
TRUTH LOST
During the last generation the Church has lost the
opportunity to teach her people the Truth: That Modern Rome will
soon rise to rule the World; that Satan will occupy the body
prepared for him and then proclaim himself to be "God."
During this generation the Church has lost the opportunity to
teach the World the Truth: that Satan's conquest of the world and
claiming to be "God" is the cause of Tribulation.
Because The Church has failed to recognize this Doctrine of
Devils, and has failed to teach both God's People and the people
of the world the truth, the Church will endure the Tribulation of
these Last Days.
Because these false teachers and prophets have lied and added
words to the visions of John, they have added the wrath of the
seven vials of God's Wrath to their own lives.
If you are one who has believed the lies of the 'rapture' and the
'millennial reign of Christ on this earth,' and you will not
abandon these lies, you too will receive your portion of the
vials of God's Wrath.
If you are one who has refused to abandon these lies you will
also endure the laughter and ridicule of those who hate you --
when they discover you can not escape.
It Is Done: There will be no more delay.
oldwetdog
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