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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html
Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent
THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching
document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not
actually true.
The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their
five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of
scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the
Bible.
“We should not expect to find in Scripture full scientific accuracy or
complete historical precision,” they say in The Gift of Scripture.
The document is timely, coming as it does amid the rise of the
religious Right, in particular in the US.
Some Christians want a literal interpretation of the story of
creation, as told in Genesis, taught alongside Darwin’s theory of
evolution in schools, believing “intelligent design” to be an equally
plausible theory of how the world began.
But the first 11 chapters of Genesis, in which two different and at
times conflicting stories of creation are told, are among those that
this country’s Catholic bishops insist cannot be “historical”. At
most, they say, they may contain “historical traces”.
The document shows how far the Catholic Church has come since the 17th
century, when Galileo was condemned as a heretic for flouting a
near-universal belief in the divine inspiration of the Bible by
advocating the Copernican view of the solar system. Only a century
ago, Pope Pius X condemned Modernist Catholic scholars who adapted
historical-critical methods of analysing ancient literature to the
Bible.
In the document, the bishops acknowledge their debt to biblical
scholars. They say the Bible must be approached in the knowledge that
it is “God’s word expressed in human language” and that proper
acknowledgement should be given both to the word of God and its human
dimensions.
They say the Church must offer the gospel in ways “appropriate to
changing times, intelligible and attractive to our contemporaries”.
The Bible is true in passages relating to human salvation, they say,
but continue: “We should not expect total accuracy from the Bible in
other, secular matters.”
They go on to condemn fundamentalism for its “intransigent
intolerance” and to warn of “significant dangers” involved in a
fundamentalist approach.
“Such an approach is dangerous, for example, when people of one nation
or group see in the Bible a mandate for their own superiority, and
even consider themselves permitted by the Bible to use violence
against others.”
Of the notorious anti-Jewish curse in Matthew 27:25, “His blood be on
us and on our children”, a passage used to justify centuries of
anti-Semitism, the bishops say these and other words must never be
used again as a pretext to treat Jewish people with contempt.
Describing this passage as an example of dramatic exaggeration, the
bishops say they have had “tragic consequences” in encouraging hatred
and persecution. “The attitudes and language of first-century quarrels
between Jews and Jewish Christians should never again be emulated in
relations between Jews and Christians.”
As examples of passages not to be taken literally, the bishops cite
the early chapters of Genesis, comparing them with early creation
legends from other cultures, especially from the ancient East. The
bishops say it is clear that the primary purpose of these chapters was
to provide religious teaching and that they could not be described as
historical writing.
Similarly, they refute the apocalyptic prophecies of Revelation, the
last book of the Christian Bible, in which the writer describes the
work of the risen Jesus, the death of the Beast and the wedding feast
of Christ the Lamb.
The bishops say: “Such symbolic language must be respected for what it
is, and is not to be interpreted literally. We should not expect to
discover in this book details about the end of the world, about how
many will be saved and about when the end will come.”
In their foreword to the teaching document, the two most senior
Catholics of the land, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O’Connor, Archbishop of
Westminster, and Cardinal Keith O’Brien, Archbishop of St Andrew’s and
Edinburgh, explain its context.
They say people today are searching for what is worthwhile, what has
real value, what can be trusted and what is really true.
The new teaching has been issued as part of the 40th anniversary
celebrations of Dei Verbum, the Second Vatican Council document
explaining the place of Scripture in revelation. In the past 40 years,
Catholics have learnt more than ever before to cherish the Bible. “We
have rediscovered the Bible as a precious treasure, both ancient and
ever new.”
A Christian charity is sending a film about the Christmas story to
every primary school in Britain after hearing of a young boy who asked
his teacher why Mary and Joseph had named their baby after a swear
word. The Breakout Trust raised £200,000 to make the 30-minute
animated film, It’s a Boy. Steve Legg, head of the charity, said:
“There are over 12 million children in the UK and only 756,000 of them
go to church regularly.
That leaves a staggering number who are probably not receiving basic
Christian teaching.”
BELIEVE IT OR NOT
UNTRUE
Genesis ii, 21-22
So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he
slept he took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh; and
the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman
and brought her to the man
Genesis iii, 16
God said to the woman [after she was beguiled by the serpent]: “I will
greatly multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring
forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he
shall rule over you.”
Matthew xxvii, 25
The words of the crowd: “His blood be on us and on our children.”
Revelation xix,20
And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its
presence had worked the signs by which he deceived those who had
received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped its image.
These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with
brimstone.”
TRUE
Exodus iii, 14
God reveals himself to Moses as: “I am who I am.”
Leviticus xxvi,12
“I will be your God, and you shall be my people.”
Exodus xx,1-17
The Ten Commandments
Matthew v,7
The Sermon on the Mount
Mark viii,29
Peter declares Jesus to be the Christ
Luke i
The Virgin Birth
John xx,28
Proof of bodily resurrection
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| User: "Dore" |
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06 Oct 2005 04:50:22 PM |
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"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html
Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent
They never did.
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Dore
www.dorewilliamson.com
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
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http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html
Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent
THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching
document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not
actually true.
The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their
five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of
scripture, that they should not expect "total accuracy" from the
Bible.
"We should not expect to find in Scripture full scientific accuracy or
complete historical precision," they say in The Gift of Scripture.
The document is timely, coming as it does amid the rise of the
religious Right, in particular in the US.
Some Christians want a literal interpretation of the story of
creation, as told in Genesis, taught alongside Darwin's theory of
evolution in schools, believing "intelligent design" to be an equally
plausible theory of how the world began.
But the first 11 chapters of Genesis, in which two different and at
times conflicting stories of creation are told, are among those that
this country's Catholic bishops insist cannot be "historical". At
most, they say, they may contain "historical traces".
The document shows how far the Catholic Church has come since the 17th
century, when Galileo was condemned as a heretic for flouting a
near-universal belief in the divine inspiration of the Bible by
advocating the Copernican view of the solar system. Only a century
ago, Pope Pius X condemned Modernist Catholic scholars who adapted
historical-critical methods of analysing ancient literature to the
Bible.
In the document, the bishops acknowledge their debt to biblical
scholars. They say the Bible must be approached in the knowledge that
it is "God's word expressed in human language" and that proper
acknowledgement should be given both to the word of God and its human
dimensions.
They say the Church must offer the gospel in ways "appropriate to
changing times, intelligible and attractive to our contemporaries".
The Bible is true in passages relating to human salvation, they say,
but continue: "We should not expect total accuracy from the Bible in
other, secular matters."
They go on to condemn fundamentalism for its "intransigent
intolerance" and to warn of "significant dangers" involved in a
fundamentalist approach.
"Such an approach is dangerous, for example, when people of one nation
or group see in the Bible a mandate for their own superiority, and
even consider themselves permitted by the Bible to use violence
against others."
Of the notorious anti-Jewish curse in Matthew 27:25, "His blood be on
us and on our children", a passage used to justify centuries of
anti-Semitism, the bishops say these and other words must never be
used again as a pretext to treat Jewish people with contempt.
Describing this passage as an example of dramatic exaggeration, the
bishops say they have had "tragic consequences" in encouraging hatred
and persecution. "The attitudes and language of first-century quarrels
between Jews and Jewish Christians should never again be emulated in
relations between Jews and Christians."
As examples of passages not to be taken literally, the bishops cite
the early chapters of Genesis, comparing them with early creation
legends from other cultures, especially from the ancient East. The
bishops say it is clear that the primary purpose of these chapters was
to provide religious teaching and that they could not be described as
historical writing.
Similarly, they refute the apocalyptic prophecies of Revelation, the
last book of the Christian Bible, in which the writer describes the
work of the risen Jesus, the death of the Beast and the wedding feast
of Christ the Lamb.
The bishops say: "Such symbolic language must be respected for what it
is, and is not to be interpreted literally. We should not expect to
discover in this book details about the end of the world, about how
many will be saved and about when the end will come."
In their foreword to the teaching document, the two most senior
Catholics of the land, Cardinal Cormac Murphy-O'Connor, Archbishop of
Westminster, and Cardinal Keith O'Brien, Archbishop of St Andrew's and
Edinburgh, explain its context.
They say people today are searching for what is worthwhile, what has
real value, what can be trusted and what is really true.
The new teaching has been issued as part of the 40th anniversary
celebrations of Dei Verbum, the Second Vatican Council document
explaining the place of Scripture in revelation. In the past 40 years,
Catholics have learnt more than ever before to cherish the Bible. "We
have rediscovered the Bible as a precious treasure, both ancient and
ever new."
A Christian charity is sending a film about the Christmas story to
every primary school in Britain after hearing of a young boy who asked
his teacher why Mary and Joseph had named their baby after a swear
word. The Breakout Trust raised £200,000 to make the 30-minute
animated film, It's a Boy. Steve Legg, head of the charity, said:
"There are over 12 million children in the UK and only 756,000 of them
go to church regularly.
That leaves a staggering number who are probably not receiving basic
Christian teaching."
BELIEVE IT OR NOT
UNTRUE
Genesis ii, 21-22
So the Lord God caused a deep sleep to fall upon the man, and while he
slept he took one of his ribs and closed up its place with flesh; and
the rib which the Lord God had taken from the man he made into a woman
and brought her to the man
Genesis iii, 16
God said to the woman [after she was beguiled by the serpent]: "I will
greatly multiply your pain in childbearing; in pain you shall bring
forth children, yet your desire shall be for your husband, and he
shall rule over you."
Matthew xxvii, 25
The words of the crowd: "His blood be on us and on our children."
Revelation xix,20
And the beast was captured, and with it the false prophet who in its
presence had worked the signs by which he deceived those who had
received the mark of the beast and those who worshipped its image.
These two were thrown alive into the lake of fire that burns with
brimstone."
TRUE
Exodus iii, 14
God reveals himself to Moses as: "I am who I am."
Leviticus xxvi,12
"I will be your God, and you shall be my people."
Exodus xx,1-17
The Ten Commandments
Matthew v,7
The Sermon on the Mount
Mark viii,29
Peter declares Jesus to be the Christ
Luke i
The Virgin Birth
John xx,28
Proof of bodily resurrection
.
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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06 Oct 2005 06:29:33 PM |
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Dore wrote:
"Therion Ware" <autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote in message
news:rbu6k1t3moi3mk2qge7biruklmnstg9l97@4ax.com...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html
Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent
They never did.
===>They PRODUCED the Bible, so they know better than
crazy bible worshipers like Deluded Dore. -- L.
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| User: "Jerry Patterson" |
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08 Oct 2005 02:17:16 PM |
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On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 07:59:27 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html
Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent
THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching
document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not
actually true.
JP
Your copy and paste must do better than that to be persuasive. I know
I know the Catechism of the Catholic Church and am waiting for you to
produce some explicit examples of teachings by the Church's
Magisterium.
.. . .
Blessings,
Jerry
http://www.dslextreme.com/users/jerry53/
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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08 Oct 2005 03:52:32 PM |
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Jerry Patterson wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 07:59:27 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html
Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent
THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching
document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not
actually true.
JP
Your copy and paste must do better than that to be persuasive. I know
I know the Catechism of the Catholic Church and am waiting for you to
produce some explicit examples of teachings by the Church's
Magisterium.
===>And if you find that the Magisterium agrees with those bishops
who are simply telling the truth, at least partially,
you run over to convert to bible-worshiping Protestant? -- L.
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| User: "Jerry Patterson" |
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09 Oct 2005 05:04:42 PM |
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On Sat, 08 Oct 2005 14:52:32 -0600, Libertarius
<Libertarius@Nothing_But_The.Truth> wrote:
Jerry Patterson wrote:
On Wed, 05 Oct 2005 07:59:27 +0100, Therion Ware
<autodelete@city-of-dis.com> wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html
Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent
THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching
document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not
actually true.
JP
Your copy and paste must do better than that to be persuasive. I know
I know the Catechism of the Catholic Church and am waiting for you to
produce some explicit examples of teachings by the Church's
Magisterium.
===>And if you find that the Magisterium agrees with those bishops
who are simply telling the truth, at least partially,
you run over to convert to bible-worshiping Protestant? -- L.
JP
To what document(s) do you refer??? A mere assertion is without
merit.
.. . .
Be in peace.
Jerry
http://www.dslextreme.com/users/jerry53/
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| User: "stone" |
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06 Oct 2005 03:06:35 PM |
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Therion Ware wrote in message ...
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html
Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent
THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching
document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not
actually true.
The Catholic bishops of England, Wales and Scotland are warning their
five million worshippers, as well as any others drawn to the study of
scripture, that they should not expect “total accuracy” from the
Bible.
“We should not expect to find in Scripture full scientific accuracy or
complete historical precision,” they say in The Gift of Scripture.
The document is timely, coming as it does amid the rise of the
religious Right, in particular in the US.
Some Christians want a literal interpretation of the story of
creation, as told in Genesis, taught alongside Darwin’s theory of
evolution in schools, believing “intelligent design” to be an equally
plausible theory of how the world began.
But the first 11 chapters of Genesis, in which two different and at
times conflicting stories of creation are told, are among those that
this country’s Catholic bishops insist cannot be “historical”. At
most, they say, they may contain “historical traces”.
The document shows how far the Catholic Church has come since the 17th
century, when Galileo was condemned as a heretic for flouting a
near-universal belief in the divine inspiration of the Bible by
advocating the Copernican view of the solar system. Only a century
ago, Pope Pius X condemned Modernist Catholic scholars who adapted
historical-critical methods of analysing ancient literature to the
Bible.
In the document, the bishops acknowledge their debt to biblical
scholars. They say the Bible must be approached in the knowledge that
it is “God’s word expressed in human language” and that proper
acknowledgement should be given both to the word of God and its human
dimensions.
They say the Church must offer the gospel in ways “appropriate to
changing times, intelligible and attractive to our contemporaries”.
The Bible is true in passages relating to human salvation, they say,
but continue: “We should not expect total accuracy from the Bible in
other, secular matters.”
They go on to condemn fundamentalism for its “intransigent
intolerance” and to warn of “significant dangers” involved in a
fundamentalist approach.
“Such an approach is dangerous, for example, when people of one nation
or group see in the Bible a mandate for their own superiority, and
even consider themselves permitted by the Bible to use violence
against others.”
Of the notorious anti-Jewish curse in Matthew 27:25, “His blood be on
us and on our children”, a passage used to justify centuries of
anti-Semitism, the bishops say these and other words must never be
used again as a pretext to treat Jewish people with contempt.
Describing this passage as an example of dramatic exaggeration, the
bishops say they have had “tragic consequences” in encouraging hatred
and persecution. “The attitudes and language of first-century quarrels
between Jews and Jewish Christians should never again be emulated in
relations between Jews and Christians.”
As examples of passages not to be taken literally, the bishops cite
the early chapters of Genesis, comparing them with early creation
legends from other cultures, especially from the ancient East. The
bishops say it is clear that the primary purpose of these chapters was
to provide religious teaching and that they could not be described as
historical writing.
Similarly, they refute the apocalyptic prophecies of Revelation, the
last book of the Christian Bible, in which the writer describes the
work of the risen Jesus, the death of the Beast and the wedding feast
of Christ the Lamb.
The bishops say: “Such symbolic language must be respected for what it
is, and is not to be interpreted literally. We should not expect to
discover in this book details about the end of the world, about how
many will be saved and about when the end will come.”
If they refute Revelation, then they do it to their own eternal destruction
in hell and the lake of fire.
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of
the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall
add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book
of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and
out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this book.
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08 Oct 2005 03:58:16 AM |
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
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If they refute Revelation, then they do it to their own eternal
destruction
in hell and the lake of fire.
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of
the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God
shall
add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the
book
of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life,
and
out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this
book.
Revelation is a pack of doom-gloom crap.
It was plagiarised from earlier doomist cults.
--
Andrew W.
Beware of invisible entities that coerce you into a life of worship and
sacrifice.
Beware of any being who offers you a gift in the form of death and
suffering.
Beware of any religion that makes free-mindedness a crime.
Free-mindedness is foolishness to those whose brains are perishing.
Religion Exposed!
http://members.optusnet.com.au/~ajwerner
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08 Oct 2005 11:28:36 AM |
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"Andrew W" <removethis_ajwerner@optushome.com.au> wrote in
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"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
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If they refute Revelation, then they do it to their own eternal
destruction
in hell and the lake of fire.
Revelation 22:18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the
words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these
things, God shall
add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
Revelation 22:19 And if any man shall take away from the words of
the book
of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of
life, and
out of the holy city, and [from] the things which are written in this
book.
Revelation is a pack of doom-gloom crap.
It was plagiarised from earlier doomist cults.
The Jesus of Revelation does everything he said not to do in the
gospels.
--
----
Paraphrasing Bill Maher, Bush has lost, under his five year watch, two
skyscrapers,part of the Pentagon, four airliners, thousands of American
lives, a huge economic surplus, the trust of the American people, a
Space Shuttle, and now an ENTIRE MAJOR CITY.
But Republicans say, "Bush can not be blamed" or "It's Clinton's
fault."
What will be the next disaster for which Bush can't be blamed?
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| User: "Libertarius" |
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06 Oct 2005 02:31:23 PM |
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Therion Ware wrote:
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,13509-1811332,00.html
Catholic Church no longer swears by truth of the Bible
By Ruth Gledhill, Religion Correspondent
THE hierarchy of the Roman Catholic Church has published a teaching
document instructing the faithful that some parts of the Bible are not
actually true.
===>It is the priests of the Church who selected and edited the books
that make up the Bible, so they know better than most lay Christians what
it really is. -- L.
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