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23 Dec 2004 02:41:57 PM |
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CATHOLIC PRIEST TAUGHT TO DECEIVE |
Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
During the mass, priests allegedly have the power to supernaturally turn the
bread and wine into the actual and literal body and blood of Jesus Christ:
"The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring: "Because
Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering
under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church
of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration
of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of
the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the whole
substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy
Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation." Pg.
347, #1376. 1994 catechism
This Catechism quote reveals that the Catholic church still adheres to this
doctrine which was defined at the Council of Trent:
"At the heart of the Eucharistic celebration are the bread and wine that, by
the words of Christ and the invocation of the Holy Spirit, become Christ's
Body and Blood." Pg. 336 # 1333
The Catechism even specifies when Christ comes into the eucharist and how
long He stays:
"The Eucharistic presence of Christ begins at the moment of the consecration
and endures as long as the Eucharistic species subsist. Christ is present
whole and entire in each of the species and whole and entire in each of
their parts, in such a way that the breaking of the bread does not divide
Christ." Pg. 347 #1377
Since Catholicism is teaching members to partake in literal cannibalism,
this doctrine requires serious examination. To begin with, we must determine
this doctrine's origin. Is it from God, or is it a tradition of men?
Catholicism insists it is scriptural, citing the words of Jesus in John 6:
"Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no
life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal
life; and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:53-54
Though this one verse does appear to teach cannibalism, if you read the
entire passage in context, the meaning becomes clear. Right before making
that statement, Jesus said:
"... For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth
life unto the world. Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this
bread. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to
me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst." John
6:33-35
This teaching is consistent with the rest of Scripture. Eternal life comes
through believing in Jesus Christ, not eating His body. The Lord goes on to
further clarify:
"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the
Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life..." John 6:40
Again, Jesus points out that eternal life comes through believing in Him.
When the Lord's disciples murmured at His words, Jesus explained:
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words
that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63
Jesus was talking spiritually, not physically. He was explaining that
spiritually, all life comes through faith in Him, not eating His body.
Nowhere else in the Bible does God endorse cannibalism. In fact, God forbids
the practice:
"But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not
eat." Genesis 9:4
"... No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that
sojourneth among you eat blood." Leviticus 17:12
God would never command His children to do something He had already
forbidden.
The Biblical purpose
Paul's instructions in 1 Corinthians 11 shed even more light on this matter:
"For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That
the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when
he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body,
which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me." 1 Corinthians
11:23-24
When Jesus said, "Take, eat: this is my body," He was not suggesting that
they reach out and begin eating His literal body. To even suggest such is
ridiculous. He was speaking spiritually about what He was about to
accomplish on the cross.
Notice how that verse ends: "...this do in remembrance of me." Observing the
Lord's Supper is a remembrance of Christ's work at Calvary, not a
reenactment. The same is true of Christ's blood:
"After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying,
This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink
it, in remembrance of me." 1 Corinthians 11:25
Jesus Himself taught the same lesson to his disciples at the Last Supper:
"And he (Jesus) took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto
them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in remembrance
of me." Luke 22:19
Conclusion
Since transubstantiation is another unscriptural Catholic tradition of men,
several more intriguing questions await an answer:
? Why does the Catholic church deliberately take one verse of Scripture out
of context and build a doctrine the Bible obviously does not teach?
? Why would the Catholic church rather have you eating God than placing your
faith in Him?
? Most importantly, can you knowingly partake in this practice now that you
know the truth?
"Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is
sin." James 4:17
Question: How gullible and deceived does a person need to be to worship a
piece of bread?
The teachings of Jesus on [this bread is my body; he that eateth my flesh
and drinks my blood has eternal life, etc. - these teachings were intended
as a parable, it was not supposed to be taken literally]. The catholic
church misunderstood this pathetically.
Mark 4:33 And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they
were able to hear it.
Mark 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were
alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.
Jesus said this:
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat
of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my
flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
John 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this
man give us [his] flesh to eat?
John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except
ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in
you.
John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me,
and I in him.
John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he
that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
John 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your
fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall live
for ever.
This had to be a parable because of what it said in Mark 4: 34, and because
of what Jesus went on to say:
John 6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he
said unto them, Doth this offend you?
John 6:62 [What] and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was
before?
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the
words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.
To explain that another way, Jesus was saying that the flesh profits nothing
or it would not profit if you ate his flesh. He was speaking spiritual words
that were meant to be understood in a spiritual way; he was not talking
about literally eating His flesh.
These verses here show what he really meant by eating His flesh:
John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me,
and I in him.
John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so he
that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
It means to live by Him and His teachings.
For the Roman catholic church to invent a FAKE ceremony claiming to change a
piece of bread into the actual body of Jesus so that they can eat it, to try
to obey those scriptures, is just a terrible misinterpretation of scripture
and a ridiculous hoax.
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness
[of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth beneath,
or that [is] in the water under the earth:
Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I
the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers
upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate
me;
How deceived must a man be to bow down (or genuflect) to a piece of bread?
In violation of one of the 10 commandments.
Gentile Christians were commanded to abstain from eating blood:
Acts 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written [and]
concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep
themselves from [things] offered to idols, and from blood, and from
strangled, and from fornication.
If catholic priests really changed wine into the real blood of Jesus, then
they are disobeying the Word of God if they drink it.
That piece of bread can't be the actual, literal body of Christ, that would
contradict Jesus' own words:
Mark 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo,
he is there; believe him not:
Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew
signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Your piece of bread is a false Christ. If you are trying to point to that
consecrated piece of bread and say, "here is Christ" , then I say to you,
Jesus said don't believe you.
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23 Dec 2004 03:19:41 PM |
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Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
All clergy are taught to deceive, that's their job.
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29 Dec 2004 08:16:09 AM |
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Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
All clergy are taught to deceive, that's their job
***Including Calvary Chapel ministers?
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30 Dec 2004 03:04:22 AM |
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Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
All clergy are taught to deceive, that's their job
***Including Calvary Chapel ministers?
• Not everyone who deceives does so knowingly.
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30 Dec 2004 08:04:59 PM |
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Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
All clergy are taught to deceive, that's their job
***Including Calvary Chapel ministers?
. Not everyone who deceives does so knowingly
***Nor is everyone accused of deception actually deceiving.
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31 Dec 2004 01:23:17 AM |
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Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
All clergy are taught to deceive, that's their job
***Including Calvary Chapel ministers?
. Not everyone who deceives does so knowingly
***Nor is everyone accused of deception actually deceiving.
You bet!
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| User: "The official Usenet GHOST! BOOOOOOOOOO!" |
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31 Dec 2004 11:23:42 AM |
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 02:23:17 -0500, "Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com>
sez the following funny stuff:
"AGGreen" <AGG@nospam.net> wrote in message
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***Nor is everyone accused of deception actually deceiving.
You bet!
Absolutely.
Not all of us who are accused of being liars ARE....... but I suppose
it makes some in here feel better to think we are.
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| User: "ujb" |
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31 Dec 2004 04:35:56 PM |
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"The official Usenet GHOST! BOOOOOOOOOO!" wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 02:23:17 -0500, "Streamer" <Stream_Haze@yahoo.com>
sez the following funny stuff:
"AGGreen" <AGG@nospam.net> wrote in message
news:cr2c6u01j9i@enews3.newsguy.com...
***Nor is everyone accused of deception actually deceiving.
You bet!
Absolutely.
Not all of us who are accused of being liars ARE....... but I suppose
it makes some in here feel better to think we are.
Most know you are lidy!
ujie
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| User: "The official Usenet GHOST! BOOOOOOOOOO!" |
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01 Jan 2005 12:59:51 PM |
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On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:35:56 -0500, useless-loafer-ujie, aka as
"American Assloaf" (thanks, Bonnie!) <ujibwa@yahoo.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
ujie
put a zip on yer lip, boy.
Now get off your lazy duff and go out and find a REAL job instead of
playing around on yer Mommy's computer all day.
You're as lazy as liar-johnnie :o)
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01 Jan 2005 02:33:26 PM |
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"The official Usenet GHOST! BOOOOOOOOOO!" wrote:
On Fri, 31 Dec 2004 17:35:56 -0500, useless-loafer-ujie, aka as
"American Assloaf" (thanks, Bonnie!) <ujibwa@yahoo.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
ujie
put a zip on yer lip, boy.
Now get off your lazy duff and go out and find a REAL job instead of
playing around on yer Mommy's computer all day.
You're as lazy as liar-johnnie :o)
As lazy as liar johnny, but with a bankbook, and I also have a
way to Bracebridge anytime you're lonely lidy. We can stroll the
path at the dam hand in hand in the misty morning. Think how
proud you'd feel with sweet sweet on your arm! :)
ujie
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| User: "The official Usenet GHOST! BOOOOOOOOOO!" |
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02 Jan 2005 10:40:31 AM |
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On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 15:33:26 -0500, ujb <ujibwa@yahoo.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
As lazy as liar johnny, but with a bankbook, and I also have a
way to Bracebridge anytime you're lonely lidy. We can stroll the
path at the dam hand in hand in the misty morning. Think how
proud you'd feel with sweet sweet on your arm! :)
ujie
1. you can travel to Bracebridge any time you prefer, useless ujie- no
one can stop you. You'd simply be just another tourist.
2. you would NOT be walking anywhere with me.
3. I am not lonely.
4. If YOU were 'on my arm' I'd most likely either upchuck or toss you
into the river at wharf's edge! :O)
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02 Jan 2005 05:37:27 PM |
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"The official Usenet GHOST! BOOOOOOOOOO!" wrote:
On Sat, 01 Jan 2005 15:33:26 -0500, ujb <ujibwa@yahoo.com> sez the
following funny stuff:
As lazy as liar johnny, but with a bankbook, and I also have a
way to Bracebridge anytime you're lonely lidy. We can stroll the
path at the dam hand in hand in the misty morning. Think how
proud you'd feel with sweet sweet on your arm! :)
ujie
1. you can travel to Bracebridge any time you prefer, useless ujie- no
one can stop you. You'd simply be just another tourist.
2. you would NOT be walking anywhere with me.
What do you have in mind? I being a gentlemen was going to take
it slow.
3. I am not lonely.
You shouldn't be with Bonny as your new little pal.
4. If YOU were 'on my arm' I'd most likely either upchuck or toss you
into the river at wharf's edge! :O)
You make your ujie smile with your denial, but it's not working,
you fool no one.
ujie
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30 Dec 2004 09:09:04 PM |
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Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
All clergy are taught to deceive, that's their job
***Including Calvary Chapel ministers?
. Not everyone who deceives does so knowingly
***Nor is everyone accused of deception actually deceiving.
** Different topic.
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26 Dec 2004 10:43:05 AM |
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Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
All clergy are taught to deceive, that's their job.
There are over 20.000 different Protestant denomination and groups, all
believing something else. Sort out your own bloody mess before you attack
the Catholic church
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27 Dec 2004 01:36:38 AM |
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Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
All clergy are taught to deceive, that's their job.
There are over 20.000 different Protestant denomination and groups, all
believing something else. Sort out your own bloody mess before you attack
the Catholic church
Protestan denominations? Where did you get that idea?
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Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
All clergy are taught to deceive, that's their job.
There are over 20.000 different Protestant denomination and groups, all
believing something else. Sort out your own bloody mess before you attack
the Catholic church
Protestan denominations? Where did you get that idea?
• By sliding the decimal point slightly?
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23 Dec 2004 04:17:54 PM |
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Family Man wrote:
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Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
All clergy are taught to deceive, that's their job.
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Stone & Family man,
You are both why St.Peter gave the verse:
2 Peter 3:16
When Jesus says Amen, Amen OR verily,verily
or repeats something 5 times.....you might want
to take a hint!...now I know why Peter says you
interpret to your OWN SELF DESTRUCTION!!!
The Transubstantiation is VERY real!
Please get a grip...He does say: "He who eats My
Body and drinks My Blood has life everlasting
AND I will raise him up on the last day. For
My Flesh is food INDEED, and My Blood is drink
INDEED. (John 6:54-56)
....and He did not flinch when He said these things.
Perhaps you must be likened to those who would no
longer walk with Him (John 6:67)
....Does this scandalize you too?? (John 6:62)
Apparently!
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23 Dec 2004 05:46:15 PM |
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"For Fatima" <gineme@online.no> wrote in message
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Family Man wrote:
"stone" <antiaging@ineedhits-mail.com> wrote in message
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Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
All clergy are taught to deceive, that's their job.
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Stone & Family man,
You are both why St.Peter gave the verse:
2 Peter 3:16
When Jesus says Amen, Amen OR verily,verily
or repeats something 5 times.....you might want
to take a hint!...now I know why Peter says you
interpret to your OWN SELF DESTRUCTION!!!
It's different in saying it over and over and over and over and over again.
It's also different than repeating the whole sentence over and over and over
again.
I guess you know that by heart. Or do you?
The Transubstantiation is VERY real!
Please get a grip...He does say: "He who eats My
Body and drinks My Blood has life everlasting
AND I will raise him up on the last day. For
My Flesh is food INDEED, and My Blood is drink
INDEED. (John 6:54-56)
...and He did not flinch when He said these things.
Perhaps you must be likened to those who would no
longer walk with Him (John 6:67)
...Does this scandalize you too?? (John 6:62)
Yes, Jesus said "eat my flesh and drink my blood," but this is not
necessarily to be taken literally. Elsewhere Jesus said, "I am the light"
(John 8:12), "I am the gate for the sheep" (John 10:7), "I am the way" (John
14:6), "I am the vine" (John 15:5), and so on. Are we to believe Jesus is
literally a light, gate, way, and vine? No, he is clearly speaking
spiritually, not literally. Jesus himself explains that "eat my flesh and
drink my blood" is figurative:
It is the spirit that gives life, while the flesh is of no avail. The words
I have spoken to you are spirit and life. (John 6:63)
Jesus said to them, "I am the bread of life; whoever comes to me will never
hunger, and whoever believes in me will never thirst. (John 6:35)
* You do get hungry do you?
* This last verse indicates that we "eat Jesus' flesh" by coming to him, and
"drink his blood" by believing in him.
Amen, amen, I say to you, whoever hears my word and believes in the one who
sent me has eternal life and will not come to condemnation, but has passed
from death to life. (John 5:24)
Also, the commands of Christ to "eat" his flesh and blood are in the aorist
tense, meaning a "once-for-all" action, not a repetitive action. But the
Lord's Supper is to be observed repeatedly. So these are two different
things. (We don't "once-for-all" partake of the Lord's Supper.)
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Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
All clergy are taught to deceive, that's their job.
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Stone & Family man,
You are both why St.Peter gave the verse:
2 Peter 3:16
When Jesus says Amen, Amen OR verily,verily
or repeats something 5 times.....you might want
to take a hint!...now I know why Peter says you
interpret to your OWN SELF DESTRUCTION!!!
The Transubstantiation is VERY real!
Please get a grip...He does say: "He who eats My
Body and drinks My Blood has life everlasting
AND I will raise him up on the last day. For
My Flesh is food INDEED, and My Blood is drink
INDEED. (John 6:54-56)
...and He did not flinch when He said these things.
Perhaps you must be likened to those who would no
longer walk with Him (John 6:67)
At the Lord's Supper, Jesus said of the bread, "This is my body." But his
body was still alive even as he said this! He didn't say of the bread, "This
will be my body," but used the present tense. So, did Christ lose part of
his physical body as his disciples ate and drank the bread and wine he gave
them? Remember-Christ only has one body. Did the "flesh and blood" his
disciples ingested ever die on the cross? No, because Christ was speaking
figuratively when he said, "This is my body."
Also, Jesus himself partook of the wine. Was he drinking his own blood? No,
it wasn't blood, and after Jesus drank it he said it wasn't blood but was
fruit of the vine:
"I tell you, from now on I shall not drink this fruit of the vine until the
day when I drink it with you new in the kingdom of my Father." (Matthew
26:29)
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From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
All clergy are taught to deceive, that's their job.
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Stone & Family man,
You are both why St.Peter gave the verse:
2 Peter 3:16
The bible is man-made deception at the highest level.
Thanks for proving my point.
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Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
All clergy are taught to deceive, that's their job.
***********************************
Stone & Family man,
You are both why St.Peter gave the verse:
2 Peter 3:16
The bible is man-made deception at the highest level.
Thanks for proving my point.
Those who don't have the Spirit of God, will not understand the true meaning
of the words inside the Bible.
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Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
All clergy are taught to deceive, that's their job.
***********************************
Stone & Family man,
You are both why St.Peter gave the verse:
2 Peter 3:16
The bible is man-made deception at the highest level.
Thanks for proving my point.
Those who don't have the Spirit of God, will not understand the true meaning
of the words inside the Bible.
• Those with God-given common sense and ability to reason will eventually
come to realize that most of the words inside the Bible either came from
priestcradters or were edited by the suckers. An example is the Bible's
6000 year old universe -- which has been going strong for 14-billion
years.
- " I do not feel obligated to believe that the same God who has endowed
us with sense, reason, and intellect has intended us to forego their use."
- Galileo Galilei
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Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
All clergy are taught to deceive, that's their job.
***********************************
Stone & Family man,
You are both why St.Peter gave the verse:
2 Peter 3:16
The bible is man-made deception at the highest level.
Thanks for proving my point.
Those who don't have the Spirit of God, will not understand the true
meaning
of the words inside the Bible.
. Those with God-given common sense and ability to reason will eventually
come to realize that most of the words inside the Bible either came from
priestcradters or were edited by the suckers. An example is the Bible's
6000 year old universe -- which has been going strong for 14-billion
years.
You're a good example to what i've said.
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Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
All clergy are taught to deceive, that's their job.
***********************************
Stone & Family man,
You are both why St.Peter gave the verse:
2 Peter 3:16
The bible is man-made deception at the highest level.
Thanks for proving my point.
Those who don't have the Spirit of God, will not understand the true
meaning
of the words inside the Bible.
. Those with God-given common sense and ability to reason will eventually
come to realize that most of the words inside the Bible either came from
priestcradters or were edited by the suckers. An example is the Bible's
6000 year old universe -- which has been going strong for 14-billion
years.
You're a good example to what i've said.
** How old is the universe?
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Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
All clergy are taught to deceive, that's their job.
***********************************
Stone & Family man,
You are both why St.Peter gave the verse:
2 Peter 3:16
The bible is man-made deception at the highest level.
Thanks for proving my point.
Those who don't have the Spirit of God, will not understand the true
meaning
of the words inside the Bible.
. Those with God-given common sense and ability to reason will
eventually
come to realize that most of the words inside the Bible either came from
priestcradters or were edited by the suckers. An example is the Bible's
6000 year old universe -- which has been going strong for 14-billion
years.
You're a good example to what i've said.
** How old is the universe?
It's right here:
http://anthro.palomar.edu/earlyprimates/time_scale_of_Earth.htm
Note: we are at the top.
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Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
All clergy are taught to deceive, that's their job.
***********************************
Stone & Family man,
You are both why St.Peter gave the verse:
2 Peter 3:16
The bible is man-made deception at the highest level.
Thanks for proving my point.
Those who don't have the Spirit of God, will not understand the true
meaning
of the words inside the Bible.
. Those with God-given common sense and ability to reason will
eventually
come to realize that most of the words inside the Bible either came from
priestcradters or were edited by the suckers. An example is the Bible's
6000 year old universe -- which has been going strong for 14-billion
years.
You're a good example to what i've said.
** How old is the universe?
It's right here:
http://anthro.palomar.edu/earlyprimates/time_scale_of_Earth.htm
Note: we are at the top.
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Transubstantiation - Hoax
From UNDERSTANDING ROMAN CATHOLICISM, by Rick Jones
During the mass, priests allegedly have the power to supernaturally turn
the
bread and wine into the actual and literal body and blood of Jesus Christ:
"The Council of Trent summarizes the Catholic faith by declaring: "Because
Christ our Redeemer said that it was truly his body that he was offering
under the species of bread, it has always been the conviction of the Church
of God, and this holy Council now declares again, that by the consecration
of the bread and wine there takes place a change of the whole substance of
the bread into the substance of the body of Christ our Lord and of the
whole
substance of the wine into the substance of his blood. This change the holy
Catholic Church has fittingly and properly called transubstantiation." Pg.
347, #1376. 1994 catechism
This Catechism quote reveals that the Catholic church still adheres to this
doctrine which was defined at the Council of Trent:
"At the heart of the Eucharistic celebration are the bread and wine that,
by
the words of Christ and the invocation of the Holy Spirit, become Christ's
Body and Blood." Pg. 336 # 1333
The Catechism even specifies when Christ comes into the eucharist and how
long He stays:
"The Eucharistic presence of Christ begins at the moment of the
consecration
and endures as long as the Eucharistic species subsist. Christ is present
whole and entire in each of the species and whole and entire in each of
their parts, in such a way that the breaking of the bread does not divide
Christ." Pg. 347 #1377
Since Catholicism is teaching members to partake in literal cannibalism,
this doctrine requires serious examination. To begin with, we must
determine
this doctrine's origin. Is it from God, or is it a tradition of men?
Catholicism insists it is scriptural, citing the words of Jesus in John 6:
"Except ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no
life in you. Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal
life; and I will raise him up at the last day." John 6:53-54
Though this one verse does appear to teach cannibalism, if you read the
entire passage in context, the meaning becomes clear. Right before making
that statement, Jesus said:
"... For the bread of God is he which cometh down from heaven, and giveth
life unto the world. Then said they unto him, Lord, evermore give us this
bread. And Jesus said unto them, I am the bread of life: he that cometh to
me shall never hunger; and he that believeth on me shall never thirst."
John
6:33-35
This teaching is consistent with the rest of Scripture. Eternal life comes
through believing in Jesus Christ, not eating His body. The Lord goes on to
further clarify:
"And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the
Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life..." John 6:40
Again, Jesus points out that eternal life comes through believing in Him.
When the Lord's disciples murmured at His words, Jesus explained:
"It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing: the words
that I speak unto you, they are spirit, and they are life." John 6:63
Jesus was talking spiritually, not physically. He was explaining that
spiritually, all life comes through faith in Him, not eating His body.
Nowhere else in the Bible does God endorse cannibalism. In fact, God
forbids
the practice:
"But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not
eat." Genesis 9:4
"... No soul of you shall eat blood, neither shall any stranger that
sojourneth among you eat blood." Leviticus 17:12
God would never command His children to do something He had already
forbidden.
The Biblical purpose
Paul's instructions in 1 Corinthians 11 shed even more light on this
matter:
"For I have received of the Lord that which also I delivered unto you, That
the Lord Jesus the same night in which he was betrayed took bread: And when
he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body,
which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me." 1 Corinthians
11:23-24
When Jesus said, "Take, eat: this is my body," He was not suggesting that
they reach out and begin eating His literal body. To even suggest such is
ridiculous. He was speaking spiritually about what He was about to
accomplish on the cross.
Notice how that verse ends: "...this do in remembrance of me." Observing
the
Lord's Supper is a remembrance of Christ's work at Calvary, not a
reenactment. The same is true of Christ's blood:
"After the same manner also he took the cup, when he had supped, saying,
This cup is the new testament in my blood: this do ye, as oft as ye drink
it, in remembrance of me." 1 Corinthians 11:25
Jesus Himself taught the same lesson to his disciples at the Last Supper:
"And he (Jesus) took bread, and gave thanks, and brake it, and gave unto
them, saying, This is my body which is given for you: this do in
remembrance
of me." Luke 22:19
Conclusion
Since transubstantiation is another unscriptural Catholic tradition of men,
several more intriguing questions await an answer:
? Why does the Catholic church deliberately take one verse of Scripture out
of context and build a doctrine the Bible obviously does not teach?
? Why would the Catholic church rather have you eating God than placing
your
faith in Him?
? Most importantly, can you knowingly partake in this practice now that you
know the truth?
"Therefore to him that knoweth to do good, and doeth it not, to him it is
sin." James 4:17
Question: How gullible and deceived does a person need to be to worship a
piece of bread?
The teachings of Jesus on [this bread is my body; he that eateth my flesh
and drinks my blood has eternal life, etc. - these teachings were intended
as a parable, it was not supposed to be taken literally]. The catholic
church misunderstood this pathetically.
Mark 4:33 And with many such parables spake he the word unto them, as they
were able to hear it.
Mark 4:34 But without a parable spake he not unto them: and when they were
alone, he expounded all things to his disciples.
Jesus said this:
John 6:51 I am the living bread which came down from heaven: if any man eat
of this bread, he shall live for ever: and the bread that I will give is my
flesh, which I will give for the life of the world.
John 6:52 The Jews therefore strove among themselves, saying, How can this
man give us [his] flesh to eat?
John 6:53 Then Jesus said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, Except
ye eat the flesh of the Son of man, and drink his blood, ye have no life in
you.
John 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life;
and I will raise him up at the last day.
John 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.
John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me,
and I in him.
John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so
he
that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
John 6:58 This is that bread which came down from heaven: not as your
fathers did eat manna, and are dead: he that eateth of this bread shall
live
for ever.
This had to be a parable because of what it said in Mark 4: 34, and because
of what Jesus went on to say:
John 6:61 When Jesus knew in himself that his disciples murmured at it, he
said unto them, Doth this offend you?
John 6:62 [What] and if ye shall see the Son of man ascend up where he was
before?
John 6:63 It is the spirit that quickeneth; the flesh profiteth nothing:
the
words that I speak unto you, [they] are spirit, and [they] are life.
To explain that another way, Jesus was saying that the flesh profits
nothing
or it would not profit if you ate his flesh. He was speaking spiritual
words
that were meant to be understood in a spiritual way; he was not talking
about literally eating His flesh.
These verses here show what he really meant by eating His flesh:
John 6:56 He that eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, dwelleth in me,
and I in him.
John 6:57 As the living Father hath sent me, and I live by the Father: so
he
that eateth me, even he shall live by me.
It means to live by Him and His teachings.
For the Roman catholic church to invent a FAKE ceremony claiming to change
a
piece of bread into the actual body of Jesus so that they can eat it, to
try
to obey those scriptures, is just a terrible misinterpretation of scripture
and a ridiculous hoax.
Exodus 20:4 Thou shalt not make unto thee any graven image, or any likeness
[of any thing] that [is] in heaven above, or that [is] in the earth
beneath,
or that [is] in the water under the earth:
Exodus 20:5 Thou shalt not bow down thyself to them, nor serve them: for I
the LORD thy God [am] a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers
upon the children unto the third and fourth [generation] of them that hate
me;
How deceived must a man be to bow down (or genuflect) to a piece of bread?
In violation of one of the 10 commandments.
Gentile Christians were commanded to abstain from eating blood:
Acts 21:25 As touching the Gentiles which believe, we have written [and]
concluded that they observe no such thing, save only that they keep
themselves from [things] offered to idols, and from blood, and from
strangled, and from fornication.
If catholic priests really changed wine into the real blood of Jesus, then
they are disobeying the Word of God if they drink it.
That piece of bread can't be the actual, literal body of Christ, that would
contradict Jesus' own words:
Mark 13:21 And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or,
lo,
he is there; believe him not:
Mark 13:22 For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew
signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
Your piece of bread is a false Christ. If you are trying to point to that
consecrated piece of bread and say, "here is Christ" , then I say to you,
Jesus said don't believe you.
Pagan origins of "sacrifice of the mass":
from THE TWO BABYLONS, by Alexander Hislop
http://www.biblebelievers.com/babylon/sect43.htm
All this is done only to exalt the Mother, as more gracious and more
compassionate than her glorious Son. Now, this was the very case in Babylon:
and to this character of the goddess queen her favourite offerings exactly
corresponded. Therefore, we find the women of Judah represented as simply
"burning incense, pouring out drink-offerings, and offering cakes to the
queen of heaven" (Jer 44:19). The cakes were "the unbloody sacrifice" she
required. That "unbloody sacrifice" her votaries not only offered, but when
admitted to the higher mysteries, they partook of, swearing anew fidelity to
her. In the fourth century, when the queen of heaven, under the name of
Mary, was beginning to be worshipped in the Christian Church, this "unbloody
sacrifice" also was brought in. Epiphanius states that the practice of
offering and eating it began among the women of Arabia; and at that time it
was well known to have been adopted from the Pagans. The very shape of the
unbloody sacrifice of Rome may indicate whence it came. It is a small thin,
round wafer; and on its roundness the Church of Rome lays so much stress, to
use the pithy language of John Knox in regard to the wafer-god, "If, in
making the roundness the ring be broken, then must another of his
fellow-cakes receive that honour to be made a god, and the crazed or cracked
miserable cake, that once was in hope to be made a god, must be given to a
baby to play withal." What could have induced the Papacy to insist so much
on the "roundness" of its "unbloody sacrifice"? Clearly not any reference to
the Divine institution of the Supper of our Lord; for in all the accounts
that are given of it, no reference whatever is made to the form of the bread
which our Lord took, when He blessed and break it, and gave it to His
disciples, saying, "Take, eat; this is My body: this do in remembrance of
Me." As little can it be taken from any regard to injunctions about the form
of the Jewish Paschal bread; for no injunctions on that subject are given in
the books of Moses. The importance, however, which Rome attaches to the
roundness of the wafer, must have a reason; and that reason will be found,
if we look at the altars of Egypt. "The thin, round cake," says Wilkinson,
"occurs on all altars." Almost every jot or tittle in the Egyptian worship
had a symbolical meaning. The round disk, so frequent in the sacred emblems
of Egypt, symbolised the sun. Now, when Osiris, the sun-divinity, became
incarnate, and was born, it was not merely that he should give his life as a
sacrifice for men, but that he might also be the life and nourishment of the
souls of men. It is universally admitted that Isis was the original of the
Greek and Roman Ceres. But Ceres, be it observed, was worshipped not simply
as the discoverer of corn; she was worshipped as "the MOTHER of Corn." The
child she brought forth was He-Siri, "the Seed," or, as he was most
frequently called in Assyria, "Bar," which signifies at once "the Son" and
"the Corn." The uninitiated might reverence Ceres for the gift of material
corn to nourish their bodies, but the initiated adored her for a higher
gift--for food to nourish their souls--for giving them that bread of God
that cometh down from heaven--for the life of the world, of which, "if a man
eat, he shall never die." Does any one imagine that it is a mere New
Testament doctrine, that Christ is the "bread of life"? There never was,
there never could be, spiritual life in any soul, since the world began, at
least since the expulsion from Eden, that was not nourished and supported by
a continual feeding by faith on the Son of God, "in whom it hath pleased the
Father that all fulness should dwell" (Col 1:19), "that out of His fulness
we might receive, and grace for grace" (John 1:16). Paul tells us that the
manna of which the Israelites ate in the wilderness was to them a type and
lively symbol of "the bread of life"; (1 Cor 10:3), "They did all eat the
same spiritual meat"--i.e., meat which was intended not only to support
their natural lives, but to point them to Him who was the life of their
souls. Now, Clement of Alexandria, to whom we are largely indebted for all
the discoveries that, in modern times, have been made in Egypt, expressly
assures us that, "in their hidden character, the enigmas of the Egyptians
were VERY SIMILAR TO THOSE OF THE JEWS." That the initiated Pagans actually
believed that the "Corn" which Ceres bestowed on the world was not the
"Corn" of this earth, but the Divine "Son," through whom alone spiritual and
eternal life could be enjoyed, we have clear and decisive proof. The Druids
were devoted worshippers of Ceres, and as such they were celebrated in their
mystic poems as "bearers of the ears of corn." Now, the following is the
account which the Druids give of their great divinity, under the form of
"Corn." That divinity was represented as having, in the first instance,
incurred, for some reason or other, the displeasure of Ceres, and was
fleeing in terror from her. In his terror, "he took the form of a bird, and
mounted into the air. That element afforded him no refuge: for The Lady, in
the form of a sparrow-hawk, was gaining upon him--she was just in the act of
pouncing upon him. Shuddering with dread, he perceived a heap of clean wheat
upon a floor, dropped into the midst of it, and assumed the form of a single
grain. Ceridwen [i.e., the British Ceres] took the form of a black
high-crested hen, descended into the wheat, scratched him out,
distinguished, and swallowed him. And, as the history relates, she was
pregnant of him nine months, and when delivered of him, she found him so
lovely a babe, that she had not resolution to put him to death" ("Song of
Taliesin," DAVIES'S British Druids). Here it is evident that the grain of
corn, is expressly identified with "the lovely babe"; from which it is still
further evident that Ceres, who, to the profane vulgar was known only as the
Mother of "Bar," "the Corn," was known to the initiated as the Mother of
"Bar," "the Son." And now, the reader will be prepared to understand the
full significance of the representation in the Celestial sphere of "the
Virgin with the ear of wheat in her hand." That ear of wheat in the Virgin's
hand is just another symbol for the child in the arms of the Virgin Mother.
Now, this Son, who was symbolised as "Corn," was the SUN-divinity incarnate,
according to the sacred oracle of the great goddess of Egypt: "No mortal
hath lifted my veil. The fruit which I have brought forth is the SUN"
(BUNSEN'S Egypt). What more natural then, if this incarnate divinity is
symbolised as the "bread of God," than that he should be represented as a
"round wafer," to identify him with the Sun? Is this a mere fancy? Let the
reader peruse the following extract from Hurd, in which he describes the
embellishments of the Romish altar, on which the sacrament or consecrated
wafer is deposited, and then he will be able to judge: "A plate of silver,
in the form of a SUN, is fixed opposite to the SACRAMENT on the altar;
which, with the light of the tapers, makes a most brilliant appearance."
What has that "brilliant" "Sun" to do there, on the altar, over against the
"sacrament," or round wafer? In Egypt, the disk of the Sun was represented
in the temples, and the sovereign and his wife and children were represented
as adoring it. Near the small town of Babin, in Upper Egypt, there still
exists in a grotto, a representation of a sacrifice to the sun, where two
priests are seen worshipping the sun's image. In the great temple of
Babylon, the golden image of the Sun was exhibited for the worship of the
Babylonians. In the temple of Cuzco, in Peru, the disk of the sun was fixed
up in flaming gold upon the wall, that all who entered might bow down before
it. The Paeonians of Thrace were sun-worshippers; and in their worship they
adored an image of the sun in the form of a disk at the top of a long pole.
In the worship of Baal, as practised by the idolatrous Israelites in the
days of their apostacy, the worship of the sun's image was equally observed;
and it is striking to find that the image of the sun, which apostate Israel
worshipped, was erected above the altar. When the good king Josiah set about
the work of reformation, we read that his servants in carrying out the work,
proceeded thus (2 Chron 34:4): "And they brake down the altars of Baalim in
his presence, and the images (margin, SUN-IMAGES) that were on high above
them, he cut down." Benjamin of Tudela, the great Jewish traveller, gives a
striking account of sun-worship even in comparatively modern times, as
subsisting among the Cushites of the East, from which we find that the image
of the sun was, even in his day, worshipped on the altar. "There is a
temple," says he, "of the posterity of Chus, addicted to the contemplation
of the stars. They worship the sun as a god, and the whole country, for
half-a-mile round their town, is filled with great altars dedicated to him.
By the dawn of morn they get up and run out of town, to wait the rising sun,
to whom, on every altar, there is a consecrated image, not in the likeness
of a man, but of the solar orb, framed by magic art. These orbs, as soon as
the sun rises, take fire, and resound with a great noise, while everybody
there, men and women, hold censers in their hands, and all burn incense to
the sun." From all this, it is manifest that the image of the sun above, or
on the altar, was one of the recognised symbols of those who worshipped Baal
or the sun. And here, in a so-called Christian Church, a brilliant plate of
silver, "in the form of a SUN," is so placed on the altar, that every one
who adores at that altar must bow down in lowly reverence before that image
of the "Sun." Whence, I ask, could that have come, but from the ancient
sun-worship, or the worship of Baal? And when the wafer is so placed that
the silver "SUN" is fronting the "round" wafer, whose "roundness" is so
important an element in the Romish Mystery, what can be the meaning of it,
but just to show to those who have eyes to see, that the "Wafer" itself is
only another symbol of Baal, or the Sun. If the sun-divinity was worshipped
in Egypt as "the Seed," or in Babylon as the "Corn," precisely so is the
wafer adored in Rome. "Bread-corn of the elect, have mercy upon us," is one
of the appointed prayers of the Roman Litany, addressed to the wafer, in the
celebration of the mass. And one at least of the imperative requirements as
to the way in which that wafer is to be partaken of, is the very same as was
enforced in the old worship of the Babylonian divinity. Those who partake of
it are required to partake absolutely fasting. This is very stringently laid
down. Bishop Hay, laying down the law on the subject, says that it is
indispensable, "that we be fasting from midnight, so as to have taken
nothing into our stomach from twelve o'clock at night before we receive,
neither food, nor drink, nor medicine." Considering that our Lord Jesus
Christ instituted the Holy Communion immediately after His disciples had
partaken of the paschal feast, such a strict requirement of fasting might
seem very unaccountable. But look at this provision in regard to the
"unbloody sacrifice" of the mass in the light of the Eleusinian Mysteries,
and it is accounted for at once; for there the first question put to those
who sought initiation was, "Are you fasting?" (POTTER, Eleusiania) and
unless that question was answered in the affirmative, no initiation could
take place. There is no question that fasting is in certain circumstances a
Christian duty; but while neither the letter nor the spirit of the Divine
institution requires any such stringent regulation as the above, the
regulations in regard to the Babylonian Mysteries make it evident whence
this requirement has really come.
Although the god whom Isis or Ceres brought forth, and who was offered to
her under the symbol of the wafer or thin round cake, as "the bread of
life," was in reality the fierce, scorching Sun, or terrible Moloch, yet in
that offering all his terror was veiled, and everything repulsive was cast
into the shade. In the appointed symbol he is offered up to the benignant
Mother, who tempers judgment with mercy, and to whom all spiritual blessings
are ultimately referred; and blessed by that mother, he is given back to be
feasted upon, as the staff of life, as the nourishment of her worshippers'
souls. Thus the Mother was held up as the favourite divinity. And thus,
also, and for an entirely similar reason, does the Madonna of Rome entirely
eclipse her son as the "Mother of grace and mercy."
In regard to the Pagan character of the "unbloody sacrifice" of the mass, we
have seen not little already. But there is something yet to be considered,
in which the working of the mystery of iniquity will still further appear.
There are letters on the wafer that are worth reading. These letters are I.
H. S. What mean these mystical letters? To a Christian these letters are
represented as signifying, "Iesus Hominum Salvator," "Jesus the Saviour of
men." But let a Roman worshipper of Isis (for in the age of the emperors
there were innumerable worshippers of Isis in Rome) cast his eyes upon them,
and how will he read them? He will read them, of course, according to his
own well known system of idolatry: "Isis, Horus, Seb," that is, "The Mother,
the Child, and the Father of the gods,"--in other words, "The Egyptian
Trinity." Can the reader imagine that this double sense is accidental?
Surely not. The very same spirit that converted the festival of the Pagan
Oannes into the feast of the Christian Joannes, retaining at the same time
all its ancient Paganism, has skilfully planned the initials I. H. S. to pay
the semblance of a tribute to Christianity, while Paganism in reality has
all the substance of the homage bestowed upon it.
When the women of Arabia began to adopt this wafer and offer the "unbloody
sacrifice," all genuine Christians saw at once the real character of their
sacrifice. They were treated as heretics, and branded with the name of Colly
ridians, from the Greek name for the cake which they employed. But Rome saw
that the heresy might be turned to account; and therefore, though condemned
by the sound portion of the Church, the practice of offering and eating this
"unbloody sacrifice" was patronised by the Papacy; and now, throughout the
whole bounds of the Romish communion, it has superseded the simple but most
precious sacrament of the Supper instituted by our Lord Himself.
Intimately connected with the sacrifice of the mass is the subject of
transubstantiation; but the consideration of it will come more conveniently
at a subsequent stage of this inquiry.
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