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User: "Johnny Asia poki_pongo at yahoo.com"
Date: 15 Sep 2005 05:52:52 AM
Object: Catholic probe to look at gays in U.S. seminaries
Catholic probe to look at gays in U.S. seminaries - NY Times

NEW YORK (Reuters) - Catholic Church investigators tasked by the
Vatican to review U.S. seminaries will be looking for "evidence of
homosexuality" and for professors who dissent from Church teaching,
the New York Times reported on Thursday.
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Priests and monks have been raping little boys for over 1000 years.
The Emotional Life of Nations
by Lloyd deMause
Chapter 8----The Evolution of Childrearing
http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/eln08_childrearing.html
But placing boys as oblates into monasteries only made them available
for rape by monks, who could not keep their hands off them. One
abbott wrote about an infant boy brought to the monastery by his
father:
....the man turned the child over to me altogether, and I received the
baby with pleasure and joy and a clean heart. [But] when the boy got
older and had reached the age of about ten...I was tortured and
overwhelmed by an obscene desire, and the beast of impure lust and a
desire for pleasure burned in my soul...I wanted to have sex with the
boy...587
Sex with boys was the central obsession of monks beginning with the
early anchorites who went to the desert; Macarius saw so many monks
having sex with boys in the desert that he strongly advised monks not
to take them in.588 But the need was too strong, and even rules such
as those requiring boys to have escorts when going to the lavatory
did not prevent monks from routinely using their oblates sexually.589
So many monks raped their novices that there was a common
saying, "With wine and boys around, the monks have no need of the
Devil to tempt them."590 Priests also commonly used confessions to
solicit sex with boys, but early Christian penitentials assessed
penances only for the boys, since they were blamed for their own
rape. Peter Damian said in the eleventh century that sex with boys in
monasteries "rages like a bloodthirsty beast in the midst of the
sheepfold of Christ with bold freedom" and suggested both the man and
boy be punished as accomplices for a "sin against nature."591
587. John Boswell, Same-Sex Unions in Premodern Europe. New York:
Villard Books, 1994, p. 247.
588. Aline Rousselle, Porneia, p. 148.
589. Patricia A. Quinn, Better Than The Sons of Kings: Boys and Monks
in the Early Middle Ages. New York: Peter Lang, 1988, p. 165.
590. Elizabeth Abbott, A History of Celibacy, p. 101.
591. Peter Damian, Book of Gomorrah. Waterloo: Wilfred Laurier
University Press, 1982, pp. 27, 42.
"Who would not shudder if he were given the choice of eternal death
or life again as a child? Who would not choose to die?"
----St. Augustine
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dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944
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User: "Victoria Hirt"

Title: Re: Catholic probe to look at gays in U.S. seminaries 15 Sep 2005 06:48:18 PM
On Thu, 15 Sep 2005 06:52:52 -0400, Johnny Asia <poki_pongo at
yahoo.com> wrote:

Catholic probe to look at gays in U.S. seminaries - NY Times


NEW YORK (Reuters) - Catholic Church investigators tasked by the
Vatican to review U.S. seminaries will be looking for "evidence of
homosexuality" and for professors who dissent from Church teaching,
the New York Times reported on Thursday.
-----------

Priests and monks have been raping little boys for over 1000 years.


The Emotional Life of Nations
by Lloyd deMause

Chapter 8----The Evolution of Childrearing

http://www.psychohistory.com/htm/eln08_childrearing.html


But placing boys as oblates into monasteries only made them available
for rape by monks, who could not keep their hands off them. One
abbott wrote about an infant boy brought to the monastery by his
father:

...the man turned the child over to me altogether, and I received the
baby with pleasure and joy and a clean heart. [But] when the boy got
older and had reached the age of about ten...I was tortured and
overwhelmed by an obscene desire, and the beast of impure lust and a
desire for pleasure burned in my soul...I wanted to have sex with the
boy...587

Sex with boys was the central obsession of monks beginning with the
early anchorites who went to the desert; Macarius saw so many monks
having sex with boys in the desert that he strongly advised monks not
to take them in.588 But the need was too strong, and even rules such
as those requiring boys to have escorts when going to the lavatory
did not prevent monks from routinely using their oblates sexually.589
So many monks raped their novices that there was a common
saying, "With wine and boys around, the monks have no need of the
Devil to tempt them."590 Priests also commonly used confessions to
solicit sex with boys, but early Christian penitentials assessed
penances only for the boys, since they were blamed for their own
rape. Peter Damian said in the eleventh century that sex with boys in
monasteries "rages like a bloodthirsty beast in the midst of the
sheepfold of Christ with bold freedom" and suggested both the man and
boy be punished as accomplices for a "sin against nature."591


587. John Boswell, Same-Sex Unions in Premodern Europe. New York:
Villard Books, 1994, p. 247.

588. Aline Rousselle, Porneia, p. 148.

589. Patricia A. Quinn, Better Than The Sons of Kings: Boys and Monks
in the Early Middle Ages. New York: Peter Lang, 1988, p. 165.

590. Elizabeth Abbott, A History of Celibacy, p. 101.

591. Peter Damian, Book of Gomorrah. Waterloo: Wilfred Laurier
University Press, 1982, pp. 27, 42.

"Who would not shudder if he were given the choice of eternal death
or life again as a child? Who would not choose to die?"
----St. Augustine



+

"As democracy is perfected, the office of president
represents, more and more closely, the inner soul
of the people. On some great and glorious day the
plain folks of the land will reach their heart's
desire at last and the White House will be adorned
by a downright moron." --- H.L. Mencken (1880 - 1956)

"Ignorance is an evil weed, which dictators may cultivate among their
dupes, but which no democracy can afford among its citizens."
- William H. Beveridge, 1944


"The power of accurate observation is called cynicism
by those who have not got it." - G. B. Shaw

Want to know what's really going on in Iraq?
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/wakeup.html

The Rise and Fall of the Holy Roller Empire
The God-Awful Truth about Christian Zionism
http://www.angelfire.com/co/COMMONSENSE/armageddon.html

Listen to Spanish Dervish by Johnny Asia, Guitarist from the Future:
http://www.soundclick.com/bands/songInfo.cfm?bandID=78840&songID=2721724

NOTICE: This post contains copyrighted material the use of which has not
always been authorized by the copyright owner. I am making such material
available to advance understanding of political, human rights, democracy, scientific, and social justice issues. I
believe this constitutes a 'fair use' of such copyrighted material as
provided for in section 107 of the US Copyright
Law. In accordance with Title 17 U.S.C. Section 107

.


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