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21 Sep 2006 05:14:54 PM |
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Catholicism proves election to salvation is Unconditional... Eph 1 |
there is a wonderful truth to be found when one studies Catholicism...
that salvation is indeed faith and that faith is given to whom God has
chosen to be shown mercy.
it is impossible to prove from the Scriptures to any Catholic who is
faithful to Catholicism that they are worshiping idols; that they have
all the reverence for the Lord as Satan; that their high and mighty
spiritual leader is nothing more than a puppet master.
it is impossible for them to see that their Queen of Heaven, the
Virgin Mary, is not any ones Co-Redeemer as they say she is... for
they are as John says ' the world lies in the lap ( sexual embrace )
of the evil one ".
it is as plain as day that election is unconditional and that because
election is unconditional the amazing grace of God, working through
His Holy Spirit, draws the most determined idol worshippers unto
Himself through the Lord Jesus.
as in the case of the Apostle Paul... who never ' made a decision for
Christ ', who was fully involved in destroying the early converts, was
elected to eternal life though his sin sick soul was at emnity against
God... being completely blinded to the truth except God having
intervened.
lost sinners are saved by grace. they are chosen to believe
( Acts 13:48 ).. not because they believe.
for this cause God gets all the glory since " salvation
is of the Lord " ( Ps. 5:5 ) and man is but the passive object of
Almighty God as Eph. chapters 1 and 2 so clearly describes.
so the God hating Catholic, or the God hating Islamic, or the God
hating Neo-Nazis or any other contrary individual, or fetus, or DD
sufferer can certainly be saved from eternal death if its Gods good
pleasure to do so.
the only hope these have is in an election based upon the mercy and
grace of God as anyone seeking to teach them of their wicked ways
quickly finds out. they love idols; they trust in repetitious prayers
to a dead Jewish woman; they have a false god for every occasion to
protect them; they never search the Scriptures nor have a desire to
find out anything in the way of righteousness since they follow a
ready made religion.
those who are indeed saved followed the same path except for the grace
of God Eph 2
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| User: "H Dickmann" |
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| Title: Re: Catholicism proves election to salvation is Unconditional... Eph 1 |
22 Sep 2006 08:56:23 AM |
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"joe" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:e316h2lo75r7o6t57ljmhpca9s3hf09e3u@4ax.com...
there is a wonderful truth to be found
There is another truth you should consider:
If God is love, then the devil is hate.
Those who belong to the devil are consumed--possessed -- by a fanatical hate
which controlls their lifes.
The Nazi's were possessed by such hate against the Jews.
Fanatical Muslims are possessed by such hate.
White supremacists are possessed by such hate.
Many people are still possessed by hate against the Jews.
Many Fundamentalists are possessed with hate against Catholics.
People with such fanatical and irrational hate are the ones that destroy the
world.
when one studies Catholicism...
that salvation is indeed faith and that faith is given to whom God has
chosen to be shown mercy.
it is impossible to prove from the Scriptures to any Catholic who is
faithful to Catholicism that they are worshiping idols; that they have
all the reverence for the Lord as Satan; that their high and mighty
spiritual leader is nothing more than a puppet master.
it is impossible for them to see that their Queen of Heaven, the
Virgin Mary, is not any ones Co-Redeemer as they say she is... for
they are as John says ' the world lies in the lap ( sexual embrace )
of the evil one ".
it is as plain as day that election is unconditional and that because
election is unconditional the amazing grace of God, working through
His Holy Spirit, draws the most determined idol worshippers unto
Himself through the Lord Jesus.
as in the case of the Apostle Paul... who never ' made a decision for
Christ ', who was fully involved in destroying the early converts, was
elected to eternal life though his sin sick soul was at emnity against
God... being completely blinded to the truth except God having
intervened.
lost sinners are saved by grace. they are chosen to believe
( Acts 13:48 ).. not because they believe.
for this cause God gets all the glory since " salvation
is of the Lord " ( Ps. 5:5 ) and man is but the passive object of
Almighty God as Eph. chapters 1 and 2 so clearly describes.
so the God hating Catholic, or the God hating Islamic, or the God
hating Neo-Nazis or any other contrary individual, or fetus, or DD
sufferer can certainly be saved from eternal death if its Gods good
pleasure to do so.
the only hope these have is in an election based upon the mercy and
grace of God as anyone seeking to teach them of their wicked ways
quickly finds out. they love idols; they trust in repetitious prayers
to a dead Jewish woman; they have a false god for every occasion to
protect them; they never search the Scriptures nor have a desire to
find out anything in the way of righteousness since they follow a
ready made religion.
those who are indeed saved followed the same path except for the grace
of God Eph 2
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| User: "H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." |
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| Title: Re: Catholicism proves election to salvation is Unconditional... Eph 1 |
22 Sep 2006 06:37:50 AM |
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"joe" <not@home.com> wrote in message
news:e316h2lo75r7o6t57ljmhpca9s3hf09e3u@4ax.com...
there is a wonderful truth to be found when one studies Catholicism...
that salvation is indeed faith and that faith is given to whom God has
chosen to be shown mercy.
....and yet God shows mercy on those who show mercy, which is the reciprocity
factor that derives from the dualism of God's will to our will, and vice
versa.
Lu 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not
be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
it is impossible to prove from the Scriptures to any Catholic who is
faithful to Catholicism that they are worshiping idols; that they have
all the reverence for the Lord as Satan; that their high and mighty
spiritual leader is nothing more than a puppet master.
As it is impossible to prove the truth to any other religionist, such as
yourself, that their doctrines are wrong.
it is impossible for them to see that their Queen of Heaven, the
Virgin Mary, is not any ones Co-Redeemer as they say she is... for
they are as John says ' the world lies in the lap ( sexual embrace )
of the evil one ".
As it is impossible to prove the truth to any other religionist, such as
yourself, that their doctrines are wrong.
it is as plain as day that election is unconditional and that because
election is unconditional the amazing grace of God, working through
His Holy Spirit, draws the most determined idol worshippers unto
Himself through the Lord Jesus.
LOL
You do err, not realizing that, in the resurrection, Jesus will be parsing
truth from error, and separating the wheat from the tares based on works
that derive (or do not derive) from true faith or false faith.
Rev 2:20-23
Notwithstanding I have a few things against thee, because thou sufferest
that woman Jezebel, which calleth herself a prophetess, to teach and to
seduce my servants to commit fornication, and to eat things sacrificed unto
idols. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented
not.
Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with
her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds.
And I will kill her children with death; and all the churches shall know
that I am he which searcheth the reins and hearts: and I will give unto
every one of you according to your works.
And then who does the Lord say is responsible for maintaining their purity?
But unto you I say, and unto the rest in Thyatira, as many as have not
this doctrine, and which have not known the depths of Satan, as they speak;
I will put upon you none other burden, but that which ye have already hold
fast till I come.
What happened to your "unconditional election" (where men define the
election rather than God, i.e. men say "I am saved," and God says, "Is that
right?")?
What happened to your salvation without righteous works, when God says faith
is proven by righteous works (and disproven by unrighteous works), as Jesus
says "I will judge every man according to His works," and James says "show
me your faith without works, and I will show you my faith by my works?"
Or did you miss the part where Jesus says...
Mr 7:22-23
Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in
thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many
wonderful works?
And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye
that work iniquity.
The working of iniquity is PROOF that one is NOT saved, even when one claims
the Name of the Lord, even when one claims they have the election, for their
claims are false, no matter how they use Jesus' Name, no matter how much the
believe they were of the chosen in the first place.
(For no one actually knows who is and who is not chosen except God, as
determined in the judgment, from whence God derives His foreknowledge, from
which God derives His predetermination. Hence, one must always be
optimistically cautious, and work out their salvation with fear and
trembling.)
as in the case of the Apostle Paul... who never ' made a decision for
Christ ',
Sure He did...
Ac 22:6-10
And it came to pass, that, as I made my journey, and was come nigh unto
Damascus about noon, suddenly there shone from heaven a great light round
about me. And I fell unto the ground, and heard a voice saying unto me,
Saul, Saul, why persecutest thou me?
And I answered, Who art thou, Lord?
And he said unto me, I am Jesus of Nazareth, whom thou persecutest.
And they that were with me saw indeed the light, and were afraid; but
they heard not the voice of him that spake to me.
And I said, What shall I do, Lord?
THERE is the moment of Paul's decision.
who was fully involved in destroying the early converts, was
elected to eternal life though his sin sick soul was at emnity against
God... being completely blinded to the truth except God having
intervened.
Yes, but Paul repented.
These others turn back...
1Co 10:20-21
But I say, that the things which the Gentiles sacrifice, they sacrifice
to devils, and not to God: and I would not that ye should have fellowship
with devils.
Ye cannot drink the cup of the Lord, and the cup of devils: ye cannot be
partakers of the Lord's table, and of the table of devils.
There is no mingling of spirits at the Lord's table, and yet there are many
(not just certain Catholics) who have done just that.
lost sinners are saved by grace. they are chosen to believe
( Acts 13:48 ).. not because they believe.
LOL
....and yet they are chosen to believe because they chose to believe, setting
up an infinite loop of cause to effect, and effect to cause:
Joh 16:27 For the Father himself loveth you, BECAUSE ye have loved me, and
have believed that I came out from God.
Hence, contrary to lop-sided Calvinism, God does not save or destroy
willy-nilly based on some perverse, one-dimensional concept of
predestination, but on the response of the creature to His message, which
itself ESTABLISHES predestination, which itself establishes the infinite
loop.
for this cause God gets all the glory since " salvation
is of the Lord " ( Ps. 5:5 ) and man is but the passive object of
Almighty God as Eph. chapters 1 and 2 so clearly describes.
THIS is a doctrine of the Devil.
If that is what Paul had meant, then he would not have told Timothy...
1Ti 4:16 Take heed unto THYSELF, and unto the doctrine; continue in them:
for in doing this thou shalt both SAVE THYSELF, and them that hear thee.
Likewise, Jesus would not have said...
Lu 21:19 In YOUR patience possess YE YOUR souls...
....putting the burden of responsibility on OUR shoulders, not God's (and
hence, man is the criminal, and not God, and God is no vain, purposeless
puppetmaster, but Satan is).
so the God hating Catholic, or the God hating Islamic, or the God
hating Neo-Nazis or any other contrary individual, or fetus, or DD
sufferer can certainly be saved from eternal death if its Gods good
pleasure to do so.
....as determined by their response to his message, so, in fact, the fact
that they ARE a God-hating Catholic (and opposed to those God-fearing
Catholics that are out there), or God-hating Muslim, or God-hating Neo-Nazi
both proves and determines that they are not elect, but are lost lest they
repent.
the only hope these have is in an election based upon the mercy and
grace of God as anyone seeking to teach them of their wicked ways
quickly finds out.
No, the only hope they have is a repentance that REVEAL that they were elect
in the first place, thus establishing the infinite loop.
they love idols; they trust in repetitious prayers
to a dead Jewish woman; they have a false god for every occasion to
protect them; they never search the Scriptures nor have a desire to
find out anything in the way of righteousness since they follow a
ready made religion.
And yet you disavow idols, don't trust in repetitious prayers to a dead
Jewish woman, don't have a false god for every occasion, and you search the
scriptures and STILL wind up teaching false doctrines.
How did that happen?
You, too, follow a "ready-made" religion, the Sardinian religion of the
false, front-loaded Gospel.
those who are indeed saved followed the same path except for the grace
of God Eph 2
Another Satanic lie.
Those who are saved by grace leave other paths, which demonstrates that they
were saved in the first place.
This is the complacency to which your false doctrines lead when you teach
that we are merely God's puppets, and not responsible for our actions, in
direct opposition to the teachings of Jesus Christ, and this is the sin of
the antichristian beast, Calvin.
Ike
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| User: "Pastor Steve Winter" |
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| Title: Re: Catholicism proves election to salvation is Unconditional... Eph 1 |
22 Sep 2006 10:02:36 AM |
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"H.E. Eickleberry, Jr." <Yeickleberrybooks@comcast.net> spake
thusly and wrote:
Lu 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not
be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven:
God judged deceiving scum like H.E. Eickleberry, Jr. before any
of us were born.
Galatians 1:8 But though we, or an angel from heaven, preach any
other gospel unto you than that which we have preached unto you,
let him be accursed.
Galatians 1:9 As we said before, so say I now again, If any man
preach any other gospel unto you than that ye have received, let
him be accursed.
John 7:24 Judge not according to the appearance, but judge
righteous judgment.
Pastor Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
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| User: "Pastor Steve Winter" |
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| Title: Re: Catholicism proves election to salvation is Unconditional... Eph 1 |
21 Sep 2006 09:33:04 PM |
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joe <not@home.com> spake thusly and wrote:
it is impossible to prove from the Scriptures to any Catholic who is
faithful to Catholicism that they are worshiping idols; that they have
all the reverence for the Lord as Satan; that their high and mighty
spiritual leader is nothing more than a puppet master.
However, the protestants worship the same three headed idol from
Rome that the Catholics do. All trinitarians are daughters of
the RCC and might as well be slobbering over ceramics too.
The false church is following a manmade teaching. They have to go
to "denominal opinions of men" that originated in the 2nd and 3rd
century to explain and discuss their beliefs. It is also
interesting that the same bunch at Rome that dreamed up the
trinity, also ushered in the dark ages by killing people for
possessing Bibles. It is important to realize that the Catholic
Church is the "Great *****" in the book of Rev. and the "mother
of harlots" (the harlots being the denominations that retain the
trinity heresy). The harlot wants relationship with man, but
will not "take the man's name" and will not forsake her
worldly loves for her husband. Just as the harlot churches will
not use Jesus name in baptism, and will not forsake the sins of
the world.
Revelation 17:5 And upon her forehead was a name written,
MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND
ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH.
Here I will show some of the apostles writing that exposes
certain of the false doctrines taught by the harlot churches.:
Acts 2:38 Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized
every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of
sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
The harlot trinity churches use the titles of their 3 gods if
they even baptise at all. They ignore Matt 28:19 in which Jesus
said to use a "name," and they just "parrot" the command instead
of obeying it.
Luke 24:47 And that repentance and remission of sins should be
preached in his NAME among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
Colossians 2:8 Beware lest any man spoil you through philosophy
and vain deceit, after the tradition of men, after the rudiments
of the world, and not after Christ.
Colossians 2:9 For in him dwelleth ALL the fulness of the Godhead
bodily.
The harlot trinity church doesn't believe that the fulness is in
Jesus, they don't believe that "ye are complete in him", they
teach the tradition of men from the 2nd and 3rd century.
Colossians 2:10 And ye are complete in HIM, which is the head of
all principality and power: Acts 4:12 Neither is there salvation
in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given
among men, whereby we must be saved. Also Acts 8:16, 10:48,
10:43, 19:5, Col 3:17
Also here are some historical references showing where tradition
replaced apostolic truth.:
ENCYCLOPEDIA BRITANNICA, 11th Ed. Vol. 3 Page 365-366, "The
baptismal formula was changed from the name of Jesus Christ to
the words Father, Son, and Holy Ghost by the Catholic Church in
the 2nd Century." Vol. 3 Page 82 "Everywhere in the oldest
sources it states that baptism took place in the Name of Jesus
Christ."
CANNEY ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION, Page 53 -- "The early church
always baptized in the Name of Lord Jesus until the development
of the trinity doctrine in the 2nd Century."
HASTINGS ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION, Vol. 2 pages 377-378-389, "The
Christian baptism was administered using the Name of Jesus. The
use of the trinitarian formula of any sort was not suggested in
the early church history, baptism was always in the Name of the
Lord Jesus, until the time of Justin Martyr when the trinity
formula was used." Hastings also said in Vol. 2 Page 377,
commenting on Acts 2:38, "NAME was an ancient synonym for person.
Payment was always made in the name of some person referring to
ownership. Therefore one being baptized in Jesus Name became his
personal property." "Ye are Christ's." I Cor. 3:23.
NEW INTERNATIONAL ENCYCLOPEDIA, Vol. 22 Page 477, "The term
"trinity" was originated by Tertullain, Roman Catholic Church
father."
TYNDALE NEW TESTAMENT COMMENTARIES: "... the true explanation why
the early church did not at once administer baptism in the
threefold name is that the words of Mat 28:19 were not meant as a
baptismal formula. [Jesus] was not giving instructions about the
actual words to be used in the service of baptism, but, as has
already been suggested, was indicating that the baptized person
would by baptism pass into the possession of the Father, the Son,
and the Holy Ghost."
THE ENCYCLOPEDIA OF RELIGION AND ETHICS, James Hastings, p.384,
"there is no evidence [in early church history] for the use of
the triune name."
Pastor Steve Winter
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Apostolic Oneness Pentecostal /*/ PreRapture Ministry
http://www.apostolic.biz for Bible studies (text and audio)
Have you obeyed Acts 2:38 as Paul taught in Acts 19:4-6?
http://tinyurl.com/mxu7o for trinity is antichrist sermon
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